Been forced into a apology after years a scandal is not apology it is deceit people are dead and have been in prison this goes all the way to the door of government..
It is something. And something is better than nothing. I'm not saying that Fujitsu really feel sorry or that due to public scrutiny, they feel compelled to say sorry. I'm saying for at least a few victims, saying sorry (however dishonest), is the first step to recovering.
As a Japan resident, I can tell you that there are already apologists out there desperately trying to exonerate and make excuses for Fujitsu. The Government need to take a leaf out of the Japanese Government playbook and that is to not only make them pay compensation, but put a 6 month, 1 or 2 years operating ban (i.e., they can't conduct business or even take phone calls). This isn't Fujitsu's first cockup and they have done it in the UK before and they have also made a mess of the Japanese 'My Number' personal card that is necessary for tax returns, will also be our new health card and eventually our driver's license all rolled into one card. This is a company that needs slapping down but unless it reverberates in Japan too, any punishment is going to be pointless.
Fujitsu were trying to fix the glitches secretly tried to fix the software but made it worse sneaking illegal ly into to computer building at night so no one would see or find out. Yet in 2003 The post office started paying out but continued to prosecute until 2015.
Manager's in both companies at all levels were complicit in this massive fraud and defamation. John Major and member's of his cabinet including the minister incharge of the PostOffice. Tony Blair and ministers Gordon Brown. Cameron 'May and all 16 minister's who all knew before Horizon was installed that there were glitches in the system. All those in those hierarchy need to be sued for defamation in the private court's and all those involved prosecuted in the criminal court's
NZ they had glitches in the prison services computer similar. In Japan. Then Fujitsu boss accused of serious sexual predatory behaviour Fujitsu continually covered it up kept him employed the Victims blamed sound familiar . Most likely other cases around the world no doubt.
Also, the companies linked to it for the cover-up. Consultancy companies, bailiff companies that received bonuses, medical teams that analysed the victims, Police, judiciary that did not seek further information, solicitors that requested guilty verdicts, etc. It shows systemic issues in the system. Is this similar to Grenfell? Sadly it looks like the uni-party may close ranks again.
Sadly today this is a crime and those at the top should go to prison , there were bullying and untruths , but look at other issues today at post office the same way to be treated badly
how are they gonna compensate, the loss of life and lively hood, how are they gonna compensate prison time that was served, fujitsu need to be fined hundreds of millions and post office officials who knew need prison and fines, and those poor victims AND the immediate family of those of lost loved ones, need compensation in the hundreds of thousands. only true way to fix this wrong, and remove the postal service of its authority to prosecute as it has clearly established it does not follow the basic minimum requirement of law to uphold the law they were granted to enforce.
Of course the stolen monies were put into the PROFIT/loss accounts thus making it look like there was more profit on which to base bonuses. Those in the post office who knew what was going on should return those bonuses. The post office managers whose money was stolen should have that returned immediately while they work on a compensation package.
There needs to be accountability. The Post Office is yet another failed service that's put profit before people. The people affected deserve all the help, support and care that can be found. We now have service failures, lost or undelivered mail and when people get fined for non payment of car tax etc, there's no compensation for third party losses. This is wrong too. It would be helpful if our personal mail was delivered rather than endless junk mail delivered all the time.
Your apologies (fujitsu uk) are too little, too late and forced. you have more than a moral obligation - You are criminally liable. The same is true of POL then and now
They made the postmasters pay back money that wasnt missing out of their own pockets and imprisoned them when they couldnt. It stands to reason that the execs and bosses who recieved bonuses during this time should pay those bonuses back into the scheme. And if they dont have the money they should serve time.
These victims should be awarded *millions* for the pain and suffering they endured on top of everything they lost out of pocket fighting this injustice. Compensation should be in the millions. Each victim & their families deserve it. People took their own lives on the back of this horrendous injustice. There’s something deeply rotten at the core of a society that permits a scandal like this & adds insult to injury by making it so difficult for those wronged to be made whole. In the US these victims would see tens of millions each.
@@Dragon-up6rb in case it isn’t clear - under the system we live, under ‘capitalism’, it is the process of awarding victims *so much money it hurts* those responsible that is the way to ensure things change. Basic market logic. Unfortunately, the state wants to have it both ways, no one actually *responsible*’for this madness is in jail or broke. Meanwhile families of those affected won’t see a dime. Even as they live with the fallout. Those responsible aren’t even in track to take a haircut over this. Fujitsu should be bankrupted, instead it’s been awarded over 100 more government contracts since this scandal came to light. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Fujitsu are only apologising now because they've been caught out. They've known about it for 20 years, yet allowed people to have prison sentences and lose their homes. They were happy to watch lives being ruined rather than own up. Evil beyond evil. They owe an awful lot more than an apology. Any apology forced on them 20 years too late could never be a sincere one.
Some of these people (certainly those that were involved at the time) should be prosecuted and jailed. The software was wrong when it was claimed to be fine. These people told lies and must have extensively produced a string of false statements. It goes to the top. Interim payments should be immediately....used as a tactic to reduce payments.
I’m not disputing any of the shocking evidence that the Post Office Enquiry has revealed but there a question that I’ve never found an answer for….perhaps I’ve missed it??? What was the motive of Fujitsu employees in accessing and altering sub postmaster’s accounts? It doesn’t appear that it was just BEDs but that employees were able to remotely live access SPM’s accounts and change them - and did so …..but WHY??? The employees weren’t able to syphon off the money for themselves or Fujitsu, so WHY did they do it?
If the taxpayer has to foot the bill, then it is yet again the little person who is suffering. Why my tax contributions have to go and pay for the bonuses these scumbags took from stealing from innocent people is beyond me. The taxpayers should not be paying a penny. The money needs to come out of Fujitsu and the Post office who made false profits for decades. I don’t care if it bankrupts them, justice needs to be served.
The families of those who took their lives and those who died before anything could be resolved, should see if they can still be compensated and have their good name restored. Post Office and Fujitsu should compensate all affected fully and not a penny less.
part of being allowed access to the public purse is putting up with occasionally being part of a show trial to appease the public, once over no one is punished and then they all pop off and have a jolly good dinner at the tax payers expense.
The compensation for the SPM’s even at 1 Million each is still small change for a global company like Fujitsu, who have many other lucrative contracts in the Uk. It’s called covering your a***.
Surely, if there are people who are found criminally liable and if they have profited from this and knew that these prosecutions were pursued illegally that they should pay all the money they earned back and be fined as well - even if they lose their houses/boats/cars etc. I don't think anyone will shed a tear.
All the companies and individuals in this scandal should be charged with anything and everything they can be charged with then forced to pay compensation to the injured and then jailed
some people took their own lives, many made bankrupt, and families and friends abandoned many due to the stigma of false allegations. For shame. You had better have a very large cheque for each and every postmaster who was touched in any way by this scandal. How pathetic can bureaucrats get.
Fujitsu should be responsible for a huge compensation package, tax-free to all the postal workers immediately. The government are up to their ears in this mess. MORALS NOT MONEY STOP THE TORIES STOP THE LIES STOP MONES BOAT
This is how rubbish the journalism is the UK…all over it like a rash because it’s suddenly a television programme…but absolutely nothing fee the previous years when genuine people were being shafted…pathetic.
Words are cheap. We've heard so many people in power, once they have been found out, apologise in the last few years. Look contrite and say "I'm sorry😞". It's time for real consequences and penalise these people. But don't hold your breath because it's never going to happen in the UK
Why is the British taxpayer compensating those victims of the Post Office scandal??? Surely it should be the Post Office who should be paying out, as it was the PO who were prosecuting these innocent people because of the failures in the PO IT system ????
Either Post Office execs knew or now know monies extorted from sub-postmasters went into bonuses or the money was diverted and it didn't end up in their bonuses which would raise the question where the money went. Good luck in court.
This coincided exactly at the same time Fujitsu staff started giving evidence at the public enquiry today. Whoever is Fujitsu's PR team they are doing very well.
This was first exposed back in 2011, but Tory did nothing, they prefer listen to company boss, rather than listening ordinary people who affected the most.
"I do think there is a moral obligation (on Fujitsu) to compensate the victims." But let's see just how much you can get out of us in a court of law when our top drawer lawyers get involved..
Take the post office back into public ownership without payment. Pay all the victims. Let the shareholders sue those responsible and take these CEOs, etc, into bankruptcy.
That moral obligation probably equates to less than 1% of revenue from contract with the post office and assures them of ongoing contracts with the government
Fujitsu now must pay full compensation of the money lost by innocent SPMs plus at least £1 million for each SPM. The post office must be totally scrapped and a new proper post office started. None of the previous post office or Fujitsu corporate managers to ever be employed by the new post office. Speed up the process! It’s taken 20 years!!!!!! What kind of evil government do we have in the U.K.? Horribly evil….
Fujitsu should be charged with knowingly providing false evidence in a court of law. 3:27 when executives try to give answers that don’t admit liability.
How many post office kind of clients does Fujitsu has in the world? What about Australia? New Zealand? Canada? Are there any ‘sub-postmaster’ kind of franchisees suffering? How many deaths in the world? How many bankruptcies and how many wrongful convictions and jailed. How many children in the world are suffering from bullying or discrimination? This scandal, in my view, well beyond UK. I hope I’m wrong.
The Bates V Post Office case was determined in March 2019. Why has it taken the Government and the Post Office nearly 5 years to compensate these people? A significant number have still not received full compensation.
only because sunak told them too, infosys been in partnership with fujitsu since 2002, all this with horizon, also the police computers last year, the emergency test last year, need i go on, sunak only in power to further his father in laws business. oh and a big family investment in BP before a contract for oil gas was passed, they certainly raking it in
Fujitsu was supportingThe Post Office's prosecutions even though they both knew that there was bugs in the Horizon program; this has come to light these dats from evidence from internal Memos at Fujitsu programmers warning that the Horizon system was not yet ready for the roll-out.
The UK Government needs to except that sub postmasters are victims and need protection and the compensation needs to be paid forthwith and in full based on the value of there business and future value plus compensation for court actions and bad press and lies made about them this a large amount but it is fair after all that has happened the subpostmasters should not have to prove this in formation as the lies over time make this unprovable
They should go to jail for at least one month to experience a small percentage of prison life! What kind of judge also didn’t see through an honest person and did not even ask for evidence on the innocently sentenced. 😡
But the point is that the Post Office provided evidence, with the help of Fujitsu. The issue is more that the Post Office has investigating powers that a standard company doesn't have and is considered a trusted source of evidence.
🦉🐯 They got caught, now they are just trying to avoid jail. They should be on trial for the crimes that they committed against innocent people! Or am I missing something?
Should be sacked ! I am sorry but Fujitsu mucked up massively they should now suffer , following many innocent people’s suffering. They should never be contracted by this uk government or any future uk government to provide a service . They are rubbish .
some needs to ask fujitsu how much compo did they pay paula vennals and co as there version of a victims is a bit warped.two decades and the police arrested no one gulty .with a tory connection.
The normal legal process takes place, PO LTD gets sued, then PO Sues Fujistu .. UK law Directors Culpable ??? dont know lived in the USA for long time now, interesting topic
So it’s 3 months since the “apology “ and what has Fujitsu done since then ?? We were involved in this Appalling miscarriage of justice…” any movement on their so claimed moral obligation to compensate victims?? Nothing yet ? At all?? Hmmm
I would hate for the victims of this scandal to be denied justice and the appropriate compensation but I am very surprised that these two guys are singing like canaries given that Johnson, Sunak and Sturgeon have set the bar for these types of inquiries by having such bad memories and the inability to use a phone, despite their upbringing and education.
To be clear, neither of them were hired by their respective organisations until after the scandal. They have no skin in the game, because neither of them were actually involved.
Quite telling that they set aside a budget for the compensation which shows that there were links. Also, were they paid lobbying money by the corps involved whilst being aware of the situation.
Fujitsu and the Post Office should pay the compensation noy the British tax payer the Post Office is privately owned now so the shareholders should pay they have taken plenty out in dividends
These CEO’s might be wearing nice sensible suits and talk in a soft well modulated voice but really they have acted like the lowest of the low criminals. Remote Access to PO accounts without knowledge of the Post Masters that they prosecuted for theft.I think these CEO’s must of taken lessons from the Mafia.Typically British in the way the Courts treated ordinary workers and then dragged their feet when it came to evidence and prosecution’s of CEO’s and all the minor bit player criminals they had working for them as investigators.What a complete and utterly absurd circus.
I'm sorry but when he said "I don't know", what a liar, do we really believe that someone like him would front up at the inquiry without first finding out that crucial bit of information.
When does sorry mean nothing and will be people go to jail. People knew this was bogus and continued. Folks don’t just deserve compensation but people also deserve jail time,
Incredibly calm and considered lady in response to the baying baiting grandstanding of the journalist …Thompson …she showed her class in the face of the his baiting..class above th embarrassing
Been forced into a apology after years a scandal is not apology it is deceit people are dead and have been in prison this goes all the way to the door of government..
It is something. And something is better than nothing. I'm not saying that Fujitsu really feel sorry or that due to public scrutiny, they feel compelled to say sorry. I'm saying for at least a few victims, saying sorry (however dishonest), is the first step to recovering.
You would have to do a lot better than "Sorry" if you put me unlawfully in prison...
No, not in the UK.
The fact is that lives have been completely ruined for twenty years, four people committed suicide. No amount of compensation can make up for that.
@@ellebee6712 That's sad.. I'm not aware of the full backstory, but will make a point to research it.. Thx..
Some of his victims were driven to suicide.
As a Japan resident, I can tell you that there are already apologists out there desperately trying to exonerate and make excuses for Fujitsu. The Government need to take a leaf out of the Japanese Government playbook and that is to not only make them pay compensation, but put a 6 month, 1 or 2 years operating ban (i.e., they can't conduct business or even take phone calls). This isn't Fujitsu's first cockup and they have done it in the UK before and they have also made a mess of the Japanese 'My Number' personal card that is necessary for tax returns, will also be our new health card and eventually our driver's license all rolled into one card. This is a company that needs slapping down but unless it reverberates in Japan too, any punishment is going to be pointless.
Fujitsu were trying to fix the glitches secretly tried to fix the software but made it worse sneaking illegal ly into to computer building at night so no one would see or find out. Yet in 2003 The post office started paying out but continued to prosecute until 2015.
Manager's in both companies at all levels were complicit in this massive fraud and defamation.
John Major and member's of his cabinet including the minister incharge of the PostOffice. Tony Blair and ministers Gordon Brown. Cameron 'May and all 16 minister's who all knew before Horizon was installed that there were glitches in the system. All those in those hierarchy need to be sued for defamation in the private court's and all those involved prosecuted in the criminal court's
NZ they had glitches in the prison services computer similar.
In Japan.
Then Fujitsu boss accused of serious sexual predatory behaviour Fujitsu continually covered it up kept him employed the Victims blamed sound familiar . Most likely other cases around the world no doubt.
Yes I remember the Kobe steel fiasco. Lots of bowing and scraping and not much else. Don't know how the my number thing will work.
@@stephenobrien5909. There is going to be an equivalent to My Number introduced into the UK very soon.
What he is really saying is he is so very sorry they got caught.
yes and got exposed. FUJITSU KNEW THE SYSTEM WAS BAD STILL BUT GAVE EVIDENCE TO THE COURT THAT IT WAS WORKING FINE,
There must now be prosecutions of Post Office and Fujitsu personnel involved in the wrongful prosecution of innocent people.
The enquiry isn't done yet...
Also, the companies linked to it for the cover-up.
Consultancy companies, bailiff companies that received bonuses, medical teams that analysed the victims, Police, judiciary that did not seek further information, solicitors that requested guilty verdicts, etc.
It shows systemic issues in the system.
Is this similar to Grenfell? Sadly it looks like the uni-party may close ranks again.
富士通のせいだけにする英国、郵便局上層部、裁判官、弁護士の方が責任大きいだろ
イギリスという国は他人に責任転嫁する国のようですね。
富士通が買収する前のイギリスの会社の責任であって、富士通は悪くない。
イギリスの司法、政府、買収前のイギリスの会社が謝罪するべきです。
Persecution by the post office and either incompetence or malevolence by Fujitsu
Sadly today this is a crime and those at the top should go to prison , there were bullying and untruths , but look at other issues today at post office the same way to be treated badly
how are they gonna compensate, the loss of life and lively hood, how are they gonna compensate prison time that was served, fujitsu need to be fined hundreds of millions and post office officials who knew need prison and fines, and those poor victims AND the immediate family of those of lost loved ones, need compensation in the hundreds of thousands. only true way to fix this wrong, and remove the postal service of its authority to prosecute as it has clearly established it does not follow the basic minimum requirement of law to uphold the law they were granted to enforce.
The way Mr. Patterson responded with such honesty compared to the head of The Post Office is like night and day.
Of course the stolen monies were put into the PROFIT/loss accounts thus making it look like there was more profit on which to base bonuses. Those in the post office who knew what was going on should return those bonuses. The post office managers whose money was stolen should have that returned immediately while they work on a compensation package.
There needs to be accountability. The Post Office is yet another failed service that's put profit before people. The people affected deserve all the help, support and care that can be found.
We now have service failures, lost or undelivered mail and when people get fined for non payment of car tax etc, there's no compensation for third party losses. This is wrong too. It would be helpful if our personal mail was delivered rather than endless junk mail delivered all the time.
Your apologies (fujitsu uk) are too little, too late and forced. you have more than a moral obligation - You are criminally liable. The same is true of POL then and now
富士通のせいだけにする英国、郵便局上層部、裁判官、弁護士の方が責任大きいだろ
There must be a criminal prosecution of the Post Office and Fujitsu this include perjury under the Perjury Act 1911.
They made the postmasters pay back money that wasnt missing out of their own pockets and imprisoned them when they couldnt. It stands to reason that the execs and bosses who recieved bonuses during this time should pay those bonuses back into the scheme. And if they dont have the money they should serve time.
These victims should be awarded *millions* for the pain and suffering they endured on top of everything they lost out of pocket fighting this injustice. Compensation should be in the millions. Each victim & their families deserve it. People took their own lives on the back of this horrendous injustice.
There’s something deeply rotten at the core of a society that permits a scandal like this & adds insult to injury by making it so difficult for those wronged to be made whole.
In the US these victims would see tens of millions each.
No amount of money can compensate the suffering caused to victims, just need to make sure this kind of history will never repeat again.
@@Dragon-up6rb in case it isn’t clear - under the system we live, under ‘capitalism’, it is the process of awarding victims *so much money it hurts* those responsible that is the way to ensure things change.
Basic market logic. Unfortunately, the state wants to have it both ways, no one actually *responsible*’for this madness is in jail or broke. Meanwhile families of those affected won’t see a dime. Even as they live with the fallout. Those responsible aren’t even in track to take a haircut over this. Fujitsu should be bankrupted, instead it’s been awarded over 100 more government contracts since this scandal came to light.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Fujitsu are only apologising now because they've been caught out. They've known about it for 20 years, yet allowed people to have prison sentences and lose their homes. They were happy to watch lives being ruined rather than own up. Evil beyond evil. They owe an awful lot more than an apology. Any apology forced on them 20 years too late could never be a sincere one.
イギリスという国は他人に責任転嫁する国のようですね。
富士通が買収する前のイギリスの会社の責任であって、富士通は悪くない。
イギリスの司法、政府、買収前のイギリスの会社が謝罪するべきです。
Some of these people (certainly those that were involved at the time) should be prosecuted and jailed. The software was wrong when it was claimed to be fine. These people told lies and must have extensively produced a string of false statements. It goes to the top. Interim payments should be immediately....used as a tactic to reduce payments.
I’m not disputing any of the shocking evidence that the Post Office Enquiry has revealed but there a question that I’ve never found an answer for….perhaps I’ve missed it???
What was the motive of Fujitsu employees in accessing and altering sub postmaster’s accounts?
It doesn’t appear that it was just BEDs but that employees were able to remotely live access SPM’s accounts and change them - and did so …..but WHY???
The employees weren’t able to syphon off the money for themselves or Fujitsu, so WHY did they do it?
Someone from Fujitsu will need to go to jail and loose all government contracts.
If the taxpayer has to foot the bill, then it is yet again the little person who is suffering. Why my tax contributions have to go and pay for the bonuses these scumbags took from stealing from innocent people is beyond me. The taxpayers should not be paying a penny. The money needs to come out of Fujitsu and the Post office who made false profits for decades. I don’t care if it bankrupts them, justice needs to be served.
イギリスという国は他人に責任転嫁する国のようですね。
富士通が買収する前のイギリスの会社の責任であって、富士通は悪くない。
イギリスの司法、政府、買収前のイギリスの会社が謝罪するべきです。
Fujitsu surely should foot the bill for the compensation payouts
There is shared responsibility, Post Office management are at fault as well.
富士通のせいだけにする英国、郵便局上層部、裁判官、弁護士の方が責任大きいだろ
A TV drama on mail fraud sounds boring until you found out how destructive this scheme really was
The families of those who took their lives and those who died before anything could be resolved, should see if they can still be compensated and have their good name restored. Post Office and Fujitsu should compensate all affected fully and not a penny less.
富士通のせいだけにする英国、郵便局上層部、裁判官、弁護士の方が責任大きいだろ
@@うるり-m7p Unfortunately there is no translation button/option.
@@beewa8840 Rather than blaming Fujitsu alone, the higher ups at the UK Post Office, judges and lawyers are more to blame.
@@beewa8840 The British government is also responsible
@@うるり-m7p I didn't say Fujitsu alone. In my comment I mentioned the Post Office first.
I imagine an apology isn't going to cut it at this stage. Financial reparations and criminal charges are the only proper apology.
part of being allowed access to the public purse is putting up with occasionally being part of a show trial to appease the public, once over no one is punished and then they all pop off and have a jolly good dinner at the tax payers expense.
The compensation for the SPM’s even at 1 Million each is still small change for a global company like Fujitsu, who have many other lucrative contracts in the Uk. It’s called covering your a***.
Surely, if there are people who are found criminally liable and if they have profited from this and knew that these prosecutions were pursued illegally that they should pay all the money they earned back and be fined as well - even if they lose their houses/boats/cars etc. I don't think anyone will shed a tear.
All the companies and individuals in this scandal should be charged with anything and everything they can be charged with then forced to pay compensation to the injured and then jailed
some people took their own lives, many made bankrupt, and families and friends abandoned many due to the stigma of false allegations. For shame. You had better have a very large cheque for each and every postmaster who was touched in any way by this scandal. How pathetic can bureaucrats get.
Fujitsu should be responsible for a huge compensation package, tax-free to all the postal workers immediately. The government are up to their ears in this mess. MORALS NOT MONEY STOP THE TORIES STOP THE LIES STOP MONES BOAT
This is how rubbish the journalism is the UK…all over it like a rash because it’s suddenly a television programme…but absolutely nothing fee the previous years when genuine people were being shafted…pathetic.
No amount of money can compensate for losing the life you should have had
Words are cheap. We've heard so many people in power, once they have been found out, apologise in the last few years. Look contrite and say "I'm sorry😞". It's time for real consequences and penalise these people. But don't hold your breath because it's never going to happen in the UK
Why is the British taxpayer compensating those victims of the Post Office scandal???
Surely it should be the Post Office who should be paying out, as it was the PO who were prosecuting these innocent people because of the failures in the PO IT system ????
The government (therefore the tax payer) own 100% of the Post Office!
Did the PO and Fujitsu do all this on purpose, just to top up their own bonuses?
Either Post Office execs knew or now know monies extorted from sub-postmasters went into bonuses or the money was diverted and it didn't end up in their bonuses which would raise the question where the money went. Good luck in court.
This coincided exactly at the same time Fujitsu staff started giving evidence at the public enquiry today. Whoever is Fujitsu's PR team they are doing very well.
富士通のせいだけにする英国、郵便局上層部、裁判官、弁護士の方が責任大きいだろ
同意します。 75% 英国、25% 富士通
Fujitsu should never get another UK contract, they fucking knew there was faults on the software.
This was first exposed back in 2011, but Tory did nothing, they prefer listen to company boss, rather than listening ordinary people who affected the most.
"I do think there is a moral obligation (on Fujitsu) to compensate the victims." But let's see just how much you can get out of us in a court of law when our top drawer lawyers get involved..
Knowingly giving false evidence is fujitsu perverting the course of justice and contempt of court, on every single court case they brought.
Somebody needs to go to jail for decades long wreckless perversion of the course of justice.
They cant raise the dead and give back time, so its impossible to compensate.
The only thing these guys are "truly sorry" for is getting caught out and what the consequences are for them.
They knew what they were doing the whole time. They are not sorry about what they did. They are sorry they got caught.
Words are cheap,Nick Read as a boss is shameful,he constantly makes excuses and doesnt know how the business works.
Just saying sorry is not enough. Fujitsu is also having trouble with the national number card in Japan.
A "moral obligation" but they make no mention of any _legal_ obligation. Vile, vile people.
Truly sorry doesn't hack it. Cell time does.
Is there a jail big enough to accommodate?
How hard can it be!find all the executives bonuses going back to 2015 and get it back. Just like if I don't pay my credit card - they take my tv.
Take the post office back into public ownership without payment. Pay all the victims. Let the shareholders sue those responsible and take these CEOs, etc, into bankruptcy.
If it wants to keep it's other government contracts
The settlement should be in the billions to postmaster
No!!! We want the Fujitsu bosses to jailed fir 50yrs.
That moral obligation probably equates to less than 1% of revenue from contract with the post office and assures them of ongoing contracts with the government
Apologies do not cut it….get your cheque books out….and NOW.
Will the Education Secretary push for her husband, the former Fujitsu Ceo, to face the music?
Fujitsu now must pay full compensation of the money lost by innocent SPMs plus at least £1 million for each SPM. The post office must be totally scrapped and a new proper post office started. None of the previous post office or Fujitsu corporate managers to ever be employed by the new post office. Speed up the process! It’s taken 20 years!!!!!! What kind of evil government do we have in the U.K.? Horribly evil….
Should be jail time too
Prosecute the people at the top responsible and £100 million compensation fund from Royal Mail and Fujitsu.
End of discussion.
Fujitsu should be charged with knowingly providing false evidence in a court of law.
3:27 when executives try to give answers that don’t admit liability.
There needs to prison sentences
How many post office kind of clients does Fujitsu has in the world? What about Australia? New Zealand? Canada? Are there any ‘sub-postmaster’ kind of franchisees suffering? How many deaths in the world? How many bankruptcies and how many wrongful convictions and jailed. How many children in the world are suffering from bullying or discrimination? This scandal, in my view, well beyond UK. I hope I’m wrong.
So many people have responsibility for this. The company should pay each person affected - generously.
Is that where an ombudsman can help?
Generously is not a word in company vernacular.
Fujitsu is so immersed in the military industrial scientific academic bank con that they probably have their own currency printing press
The Bates V Post Office case was determined in March 2019. Why has it taken the Government and the Post Office nearly 5 years to compensate these people? A significant number have still not received full compensation.
The Government was too busy at the time, giving the Post Office CEO a CBE.
I think they're not on our side.
Bus drivers wages have been docked daily for yrs even tho in most cases there’s no actual loss of revenue.
They should bring back bus conductors
only because sunak told them too, infosys been in partnership with fujitsu since 2002, all this with horizon, also the police computers last year, the emergency test last year, need i go on, sunak only in power to further his father in laws business. oh and a big family investment in BP before a contract for oil gas was passed, they certainly raking it in
Fujitsu was supportingThe Post Office's prosecutions even though they both knew that there was bugs in the Horizon program; this has come to light these dats from evidence from internal Memos at Fujitsu programmers warning that the Horizon system was not yet ready for the roll-out.
Nice to see some belated honesty..not sure his company will be too happy..pay the compensation now..people have been waiting way too long.
At least we are getting some honest answer's and disclosure.
Only because they are backed into a corner … otherwise it’s a big fuk u
The UK Government needs to except that sub postmasters are victims and need protection and the compensation needs to be paid forthwith and in full based on the value of there business and future value plus compensation for court actions and bad press and lies made about them this a large amount but it is fair after all that has happened the subpostmasters should not have to prove this in formation as the lies over time make this unprovable
Oh the irony of politicians complaining of frustration at questions not being answered!!
They should go to jail for at least one month to experience a small percentage of prison life! What kind of judge also didn’t see through an honest person and did not even ask for evidence on the innocently sentenced. 😡
No, ten years, people committed suicide.
But the point is that the Post Office provided evidence, with the help of Fujitsu. The issue is more that the Post Office has investigating powers that a standard company doesn't have and is considered a trusted source of evidence.
no money from British taxpayers for this
🦉🐯 They got caught, now they are just trying to avoid jail. They should be on trial for the crimes that they committed against innocent people! Or am I missing something?
Should be sacked ! I am sorry but Fujitsu mucked up massively they should now suffer , following many innocent people’s suffering. They should never be contracted by this uk government or any future uk government to provide a service . They are rubbish .
The UK has just given them a huge new contract for a flood warning system
Failure of IT, enforcement, judicial system and finance teams which lead to these people surfer for nothing … Shameful !
The fact that taxpayer is covering compensations....is next scandal in the making.
This is about control. The Post Office is determined not to surrender its position as judge and jury in its own case - ie never in a month of Sundays.
If this guys walks free with his multi-million pension intact, ... would be total breakdown of the rule of law.
some needs to ask fujitsu how much compo did they pay paula vennals and co as there version of a victims is a bit warped.two decades and the police arrested no one gulty .with a tory connection.
Perhaps now repay what the UK government paid over Fujitsu and the NHS.
I was shocked when i saw just how many contracts they win from the Government, it's billions......
The normal legal process takes place, PO LTD gets sued, then PO Sues Fujistu .. UK law Directors Culpable ??? dont know lived in the USA for long time now, interesting topic
They must go to prison no excuse
Billion pound fine that should stop this type of greediness and lying, or hiding away from responsibilities
Go on Joe!
So it’s 3 months since the “apology “ and what has Fujitsu done since then ?? We were involved in this Appalling miscarriage of justice…” any movement on their so claimed moral obligation to compensate victims?? Nothing yet ? At all?? Hmmm
I would hate for the victims of this scandal to be denied justice and the appropriate compensation but I am very surprised that these two guys are singing like canaries given that Johnson, Sunak and Sturgeon have set the bar for these types of inquiries by having such bad memories and the inability to use a phone, despite their upbringing and education.
To be clear, neither of them were hired by their respective organisations until after the scandal. They have no skin in the game, because neither of them were actually involved.
Quite telling that they set aside a budget for the compensation which shows that there were links. Also, were they paid lobbying money by the corps involved whilst being aware of the situation.
@@pheonix-onemost large company / businesses have a war chest or contingency plan. Your outrage is quite.. meaningless.
Fujitsu and the Post Office should pay the compensation noy the British tax payer the Post Office is privately owned now so the shareholders should pay they have taken plenty out in dividends
These CEO’s might be wearing nice sensible suits and talk in a soft well
modulated voice but really they have acted like the lowest of the low criminals.
Remote Access to PO accounts without knowledge of the Post Masters that they prosecuted for theft.I think these CEO’s must of taken lessons from the Mafia.Typically British in the way the Courts treated ordinary workers and then dragged their feet when it came to evidence and prosecution’s of CEO’s and all the minor bit player criminals they had working for them as investigators.What a complete and utterly absurd circus.
Millions need to be compensated to all those who were effected , immoral.
Put HIM in prison… sorry is too late and won’t help the suicides on his watch.
He wasn’t working there at the time this was going on
I don't think we'll see prison convictions for the top executives
I'm sorry but when he said "I don't know", what a liar, do we really believe that someone like him would front up at the inquiry without first finding out that crucial bit of information.
When does sorry mean nothing and will be people go to jail. People knew this was bogus and continued. Folks don’t just deserve compensation but people also deserve jail time,
Sorry doesn’t cut it. What would he do in the same position as the postmasters that were prosecuted. How would he have handled the accusations ?.
Does anyone else think this is the tip of the iceberg? Where else are they doing this? This doesn't sound like a one off.
Im sure some of the postmasters did steal and then blamed it on the horizon system as well though
Incredibly calm and considered lady in response to the baying baiting grandstanding of the journalist …Thompson …she showed her class in the face of the his baiting..class above th embarrassing