Ilan Rubin Teaches John Bonham's "The Crunge" Drumbeat | Reverb Learn to Play
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2018
- Drummer Ilan Rubin (Nine Inch Nails, Paramore, Angels & Airwaves) has an impressive rock resume, and like many successful drummers, he counts Led Zeppelin's John Bonham among his influences. Today he's in the studio running us through Bonham's tricky 9/8 beat from rock classic "The Crunge."
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Ilan's Setup:
Drums: Q Drum Co. Galvanized Steel in 13", 16", and 24" shells.
Cymbals: Zildjian Avedis
Heads: Remo
Hardware: DW
Sticks: Vater 
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Paul Jones’s bass on this is also extremely thick and groovy
Isn't it always?
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@Nolan Drake Yup, been watching on flixzone for months myself :)
@Nolan Drake definitely, have been watching on Flixzone for since december myself :D
That’s probably because JPJ rules!
Has anyone seen the bridge
Where's that confounded bridge?
I ain't seen the bridge...
And then johnsey with the keyboards:" paaaii rararappappà paaaai rarappappà"
Good explanation but Jeff Pocaro is my man..Do the Roxanne shuffle
Where's that confounded bridge?
He's one of the few rock drummers that I really like. He has a great sound in his hands and has his own style.
Bonham did this groove because he wanted to emulate and pay homage to James Brown's drummers, as the song itself is an entire tribute to Brown and his musical style. He wasn't even aware the beat was in an odd time signature. He was just instinctively following the rhythmic guitar pattern, and John Paul Jones' bass pattern. Whatever the case, Rubin gives a comprehensive and well detailed perspective on this iconic beat from the most iconic rock drummer in history.
This dude is so good.
"I don't like odd time signatures" he must hate when March of the Pigs comes up.
And then he also plays the piano.
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Or if he's ever asked to play the 12/8 break in Black Dog.
March of the Pigs feels pretty natural, I think
Totally agree. One of my favorite Zeppelin tunes. Absolutely love the groove. The guitar bass and vocals fill it out but it is that drum beat that carries it.
My other favorite Bonham drum song is Achilles last stand. Great powerful drums.
One of my favorite Zep songs, getting funky!
You did a perfect job breaking it down, very thorough but not over complicating it. Great job!
Ilan, you are a real master. In 35 years of semi-pro-amateur playing, I haven't found a tenth of what you know. That is what they call natural talent but, you are very inspiring. Respect!
Lovely video.
I’m a bassist and guitarist but this is fascinating.
Awesome! I actually teach (guitar) an odd meter class at Musicians Institute, and this beast is one of many in my "9/8" section--awesome!! Extra kooky because (on the record) it actually doens't start on "1," like you said. BADASS!!!! So cool hearing a badass drummer talking about this passage!!! KILLIN'!!!!
this is incredible, thanks reverb and ilan for making this! awesome!
great teacher
Love it ! Thank you so much for another great lesson, Ilan. You really inspire me.
Worked this groove up today. All made sense when I thought of it starting on the 5 count. Leave it to Zep to try and make a James Brown groove but do it in 9/8. hahah.
Amazing drumming, and holy cow! Love the sound of that kit!!
I love how you slowed it down to where we could really tell where the ghost notes are, thank you very much!
I think every drummer has played along to The Crunge. Hi hat openings nice but I have always loved the ghost notes. Great analysis and should definitely record more of these.
Ilan is the man. Stellar drummer and great teacher. Love this video.
I love Josh Freese and DW Drums... But after having the blessing of seeing both you and Pino play with NIN in my hometown...that was a inspiration point in my music career. Keep up all your awesome.
That snare sounds fabulous. I have to have it.
I wish Ilan was my drum instructor. So articulate and calm. But damn he's got a mean left hand. Always playing the hi-hats with his left hand. That's always one of the things I've admired about his style. And I just love him in NIN. Anyway, this is an insightful lesson. It makes sense and is one of the easier lessons to follow. Playing the hi-hats without either opening them, or closing them definitely helps when first learning this groove. My hi-hat skills are lacking so I definitely need to work on improving them. The different camera angles and the pace of the playing also helps out a lot. I'd love to see more lessons of his favorite songs in the future. Good stuff right here.
Love his playing and my favorite Album too...
Great lesson ! 👍🏽 broke it down in terms that surprised me. Definitely a good video for studying 💪🏽
Such a good drummer! I need one like him
Struggled to learn this song, in the early '80s... the time signature changes really fucked me up since I was a 2 year novice. The crazy thing is- that my mentor told me the very same things you instructed (IE: don't count it out just feel it...) an coincidently was (is) a lefty. 👍
This is the song that changed my life when I first heard it when I was 13. It was the coolest thing I'd ever heard!
Nice demo. Thanks!
That kind of microphone leakage (drums echo into voice mic) whenever he starts speaking is so beautifully haunting!
ILAN!!! YOU'VE JUST PLAYED "THE PERFECT DRUG" FOR THE FIRST TIME EEEVEEER!!!
OH MY OH MY OH MYYY GOODNESS!!!
WHAT A BEEEAAAST!!!
I've been playing a kick drum instead of the snare grace note for years! Thanks for the right way to play it.
This was great!! Makes me want to go dig into this beat for a couple of hours😀
Love the 'cotton things' in the floor tom!!
This is absolutely a brilliant analysis.
Awesome lesson, thanks so much. Ilan is a very very good drummer.
Thank you for breaking it down to a practical way from New Orleans
so glad he joined nine inch nails. all parties involved hit the musical jackpot there in that merger
AMAZING drummer!
Bonham and Copeland are my 2 faves, too! Great vids!
I started playing drums at 7 years old by putting on my dad’s Zep albums and matching Bonham. This is the first odd time song I learned and I felt like a legend.😅
Can definitely hear where Joey Kramer got “Walk This Way” and same for Black Crowe’s “Hard to Handle”
Fantastic video
Such a good drummer
kit is slamming ! the genius of John Bonham lives on...
Idk why but odd time signatures always make songs so much more interesting and fun to listen to
Has anyone seen the bridge?
Where’s that confounded bridge?
been looking for that fucking bridge for decades now...
This dude is easily the most interesting drummer in years
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@@bobayersquebec wtf? Freak
This dude is easily the most interesting drummer YOU KNOW in years.
FOR ME TO POOP ON ! ! !
THE BESTVERSION of this is on how the west was won...pure tight groove...a band at its peak, sounds like it was done ...NOW
...nice job ...nailed it
....thx !
Awesome IIan, great song of Led Zeppelin 👍🎶🥁😎DC
love it!!
Excellent player!
YES!!!!
I don't even play the drums. Fantastic
Thank you! You referred to the bass drum for what it is.... a bass drum, not a kick. Thank you so much. Also, your playing is spot on!
There's a ton of Zeppelin songs using odd time signatures!!
True like The Ocean
So good
Listen. There are tons of Zep tunes in odd times. Even though the majority of Black Dog....The reason it's so hard to time the breaks is because the tune is 5/4. So if you know where you are on the studio version, ya can nail it. But, still tons off odd time with Bonzo. He just makes everything groove so well, it's not really noticeable. The Ocean, parts of Achilles, 4 sticks, and on.....Still, great job explaining this beat
LISTEN.
HEAR. On Houses, besides the Crunge, on Houses The ocean is not in 4/4 the entire time on the same album. That's just off the top of my head. One thing that made Zep/Bonham so great, they can play odd times, yet groove so hard, ya don't even notice.
Yeah. Homeboy lost me when he said "one of the only zep tunes in an odd time signature".lmao
To be fair the vast majority of Led Zep songs are 4/4 though. But also it's true that John Bonham had that psychological effect that he could be playing so many odd meter things and it just sounds 4/4 because it grooves so hard! And maybe Ilan, who is of course also a wonderful drummer, even his ears get fooled. : )
Toast Tee...what? Maybe we should all LISTEN to your genius and forget what Ilan Rubin says. Suppose you’re the next Nine Inch Nails drummer are you! I bet you don’t even play the drums to a decent level. Can you even play a straight half time shuffle?
What is it with RUclips experts? Desperate to make their mark. Which would be fine if it were not bollocks.
Thanks 🙏
I don’t even drum but I love watching this guy teach drums
thanks! after 2 weeks i can play it.
Holy Houses that was great.
AND WHEN THOSE KEYBOARD HORNS HIT, OH BABY LOOK OUT!
Awesome man I think it's exactly right. I mean it just seems a tiny bit different I don't mean the sound. Just the sticking he does. He had such a remarkable feel some times it's tough to pinpoint precisely what he was doing
Great!!!
listen up bonzo babies! bonham was not a trained drummer. he was a prodigy that played by ear. he didnt focus on technical drumming. he could find the groove anytime and anywhere. he knew how to tune those drums to get the best grooviest and funkiest sounds. he was a master and a magician that made it all work by ear babies! groove on bonzettes!
I’m by no means putting myself in Bonzo’s class of course, but the best drummers I know were self-taught. My elder brother and I both worked really hard at it (the hint of sibling rivalry no doubt helped us a touch) because it was something we really wanted to be able to do. I’m not sure that’s possible with a kid that’s being forced to take lessons etc. My parents, one musical, on not so much, saw that thin film of talent (or wanted to see it, however limited) booked me some lessons with a local music teacher. I went along of course but I pretty much ignored the chap and asked him if I could just jam for my hour and a half or whatever it was. He didn’t like my approach but it was a really lovely drum kit and he got paid so he just left me to it in the end, bless his cotton socks :) :) Anyway, from whichever direction you hail, keep on slappin’ them thar skins with as much enthusiasm you can muster!!
Ilan Rubin effin' RULES! Such a great drummer! Fellow leftie!
its unfair because he's so good with his left hand
Nice !!
Love your drumming mate ! Hope you work with crazy Tom D again one day too.
Been Playing this song 35 yrs. Ghost notes only thing I learned
Pretty important thing to learn. Without them, it's just not the same.
How did you not hear the ghost notes? Oh well glad you got them now : )
First saw him play "Cars" live with NIN and thought he was amazing
not being a drummer, i have always hated the crunge..you have changed my opinion.. thats crazy cool dude
pretty neat snare sound! I would love to see how they got rid of the rim that starts when he finishes playing
Ilan Rubin is a such a talented player. An absolute BEAST!!! he is...Bonham re-incarnated.
Refreshing to just hear someone play without being pretentious and counting/validating that they know the time signature. If it feels good, just play it!
When explaining music how is it pretentious to count it out?
Ilan has become somewhat of a personal hero of mine.. I love his work with NIN, saw him again last week in Atlanta. And now he is running around the stage playing (hope I recall them all) - drums (duh), bass, guitar, piano, and chello! Love his open-handed playing - after 30 years of drumming I made the switch about 3 years ago (it's still a work in progress). If I were to start teaching again, I'd try to show every young player the pure logic of matched grip and open handed playing. Keep up the great work Ilan!!
I love you
Dang Snare man. Riiinnnggggg LOL!! Ive heard open but Damn!LOL Nice Video,thanks!
Yeah, I was concerned when I heard that lol.
@@ssonicdeafmonkey Yeah the compression of the type of mic I think is why it sounds good.however turn that off and I bet it would sound like ass not mic'd up.all I know is a cpl small pieces of tape or moongel would help.or O ring I suppose.
That's interesting. I guess that's why ppl say don't chase the drum sound on a recording (I still do though lol). As for the ring, I'd say he needs to tune that reso head.
@@ssonicdeafmonkey nooo doubt.lol
the crunge seul titre qui n aurait pas dû figurer sur un album de Led Zeppelin, mais qui aurait eu sa place sur Coda qui est un grand hommage à Bonzo , tant il est présent sur tous les morceaux et the crunge est une preuve de plus de son immense talent
Rad dude! Let’s Jam some Zep again next time you’re in Tokyo!
i saw him open for tom delonge, he sounded like lenny kravitz meets Kiss. paul stanley...lol very cool. 1970ish rock type feel. hes great
Oh boy
Iian Rubin is a very very good drummer. I smile at the Bohnam-style kit he brings to NIN, it seems a bit anachronistic.
The Crunge !!
I can't find any tutorials on the bridge section.
Great sounding hi-hats-what are they?
Damn. 🥇👍🏾
IR is a genius! Prince-esque
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Thumbs up for open-handed players 👍
titanium9000 I don’t but I respect people who do
IIan gets it I’d say he’s found that bridge.
Lynda White just because he followed the hint from Paul Simon and Art GarFUNKel to look over those troubled waters
Livio Ferrami Ha Ha you got it Livio I concur 100 percent.
Man this guy is so in the pocket and interesting
You think you could break down pearl jams cropduster
Is he using 1a or a different sticks now
I watched this entire video and I'm just trying to find the bridge. Where is the confounded bridge?
Where's that confounded bridge?
Nice Q - #GreatAwakening
I just think of De La Soul when I hear this.
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