Nightwish "The Poet And The Pendulum" Live @ Wembley 2016 | Opera Singer Reacts
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- By popular request, this video has been edited from my past livestream and uploaded on it's own. Juilliard trained opera singer, Maggie Reneé, reacts to The Poet And The Pendulum Live @ Wembley 2016! 🤘😜 👀 SUBSCRIBE for more videos 👀 reupload due to RUclips issues.
Nightwish is a Finnish symphonic metal band from Kitee, Finland. The band was formed in 1996 by lead songwriter and keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen, guitarist Emppu Vuorinen, and former lead singer Tarja Turunen. Nightwish is the third-best-selling band and musical entity in Finland with certified sales of nearly 900,000 certified copies. The group is also the most successful Finnish band worldwide, selling more than 9 million records and receiving more than 60 gold and platinum awards, having released six Number 1 albums and thirteen Number 1 singles. On October 26, 2018, Nightwish was inducted into the Finnish Music Hall of Fame, becoming the honorary gallery's 11th member.
The Poet and the Pendulum is the first song in Nightwish's 6th Album, Dark Passion Play. This song is one of Tuomas' most personal songs, dealing with Tarja Turunen leaving the band and his feelings of it. The song at its time was the longest Nightwish song in duration,and is now the second longest song only to The Greatest Show on Earth. Clocking at around 14 minutes. The song is divided into 5 sections, each with different themes and styles being applied: White Lands of Empathica, Home, Pacific, Dark Passion Play, and Mother and Father.
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NIGHTWISH - The Poet And The Pendulum (OFFICIAL LIVE)
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"The Poet And The Pendulum" from VEHICLE OF SPIRIT - Wembley 2015.
Directed by Ville Lipiäinen.
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I'd suggest Marko's own (current) solo work. Try "Pyre of the Black Heart" Album - 2 songs on youtube are "Voice of my Father" and "Stones"
Very good and ampel reaction, love your frisky style 🙂
in 2009 Tarja released a single with the title "Enough" that is considered to be a reaction on this and other songs by Tuomas related to the breakup.
Ego selfish primadonna
Dancing in your poisoned cage
Thinking that your conscience's clearer
If you drink your dreams away
Feed your anger to the devil
In your self built wishing well
Take a swim in muddy waters
All the dirt will leave a trail
Had enough symphonies of sorrow
The beasts of prey a breath away
Masterpiece of treachery
Build a wall and make me crumble
Just because I am in love
Don't you cry now look at all the
Dolls and toys that you have got
Smashed the mirror of perversion
With the dagger that you made
Mirror, mirror, is there someone
Who can make your day today?
Had enough symphonies of sorrow
The beasts of prey a breath away
I've had enough symphonies of sorrow
Beasts of prey one breath away
Masterpiece of treachery
Kept my thoughts buried in a box
With each shot I still kept it locked
You drew a play written with my blood
Went ahead just to feed the lot
I've had enough symphonies of sorrow
The beasts of prey a breath away
I've had enough symphonies of agony
Beasts of prey one breath away
Masterpiece of treachery
If you stil like the Phantom, please do the official version by Nightwish featuring Henk Poort in Amsterdam November 2022
@@nicod1361 That "did they betray Tarja" comment was pointing to the first part of the reaction, the story about Tarja's last show and the open letter, not to TPATP.
Thumbnails like these are meant to draw the viewers attention, even yours so to see, grumpy old man 🙂
Try Aryeon Valley of the Queens orEverybody Dies. ( live)
perhaps range out? 'hobo humpin slobo babe' by whale?
This was the best reaction of this song i've ever seen❤❤❤
Thank you so much! 💟💟💟
Yes
And just remember that this is a song that is not written to Floors vocals but she fits in so well and making it an even more masterpiece
This song is a masterpiece. Period.
The song above anything else in this world Tuomas has written and composed. Along with The Greatest Show on Earth 😊🤘❤ Tuomas, our metal Mozart can write and compose this kind of beautiful music 😊
OK , you are now my favourite Nightwish Reaction and Review person ! Your coverage of this song has been the best and most understanding and respectful I've seen and heard and I've watched hundreds of Reviews and Reactions since finding Nightwish seven years ago . I will now finish watching all your Nightwish Reactions and look forward to all the ones you will do in the future . A strong request...Floor Jansen and Henk Poort , Phantom of the Opera at the Bestezangers 2019 .Thanks and Cheers !
Thank you for your lovely comment and welcome to my channel! 🤘😁🤘
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤The reaction to your video is crazy, the time you dedicated to it, the research and the attention to detail make without a doubt the best reaction to Nightwish that I have ever seen and heard in my life, thank you for this incredible video😊
This is one of the most tragic, yet beautiful pieces of music Nighwish does. The ending always gets me. Such a dark song but ending on hope of the new beginning.
My heart always aches when I see Tuomas singing with Marko and Floor in the final verses.
I just hear good song.
Indeed, a somber yet beautiful moment.
Yes me too. When he sings "try to save them all". My heart's crying. 😢
This waS a great reaction, love the detail and the history that was included. JJ did a great job with that! Awesome job Maggie!
I can't believe I missed your reaction to this until now 😮
We were a band, yet she did not practice with them, travel with them, or talk with them in a year?? Really how can you think that would work long term? Tarja is an amazing singer, with or without Nightwish, the band is amazing with or without Tarja. I believe the break was for the best for both, the band and Tarja.
Keep in mind the guys had ignored her for years. She tried to communicate with them but they didn't listen. They didn't even want to have her in the studio or in the creative process. When in the year 2000 she was attacked on stage by someone in the audience she understandably ran off the stage. She was very frightened, of course. But you know what? The guys didn't care. They went on playing as if nothing had happened. The only person caring for her was Marcelo - whom she had only known for not even a week.
Tuomas has never been a close friend of Tarja. He never visited her or invited her to his home.
@@nebucamv5524 I think breaking from each other was a good thing. Tarja is now the main attraction, as she should be. Nightwish is a band, Tarja should of always been on her own, with a back up band, so she is the showcase.
Toumas at 1:07:12 gets me every time as does Floor, always. 14 months ago a dear friend pestered me in to listening to this masterpiece from Wembley. Eventually I relented having not previously heard of either Nightwish or Floor. My expectations weren't great for a number of reasons, primarily I had preconceived ideas about metal but not really understanding the symphonic element but how wrong was I. I was blown away and have been ever since owing my friend a huge debt of gratitude. Thank you John for the wonderful backstory that fuelled this equally wonderful reaction from you Maggie and to Sammy for sponsoring. Paul 🙏😊👍❤️
Everyone should have a friend like John. No, actually everyone should be a friend like John. Thanks John.
I'm glad you cut this into a separate video.
I've been a fan of Nightwish since 1998. I never got to see them with Tarja in the band.
What people may not consider even to this day is the reason Nightwish released this public letter. When you work with someone who starts to change into a personality that becomes obsessed with the image and and the notoriety, they may want to change the public perception of anyone who disagrees with them... so you tend to be agreeable with them most of the time. I am sure we've all seen this in the media. In order for them to maintain a career and move forward as a band they actually had to release this open letter of her firing so that she could not have the opportunity to taint the situation to the public. Remember, everyone's first impression would be the hardest to change, so they ultimately had to request that she read it the next day so they could prepare.
Knowing there would be backlash, they still decided to maintain the truth of what happened while still showing that they respect her as a human being and how difficult it was for them.
Imagine being in a successful band with someone who starts to act like this for a couple years, right? You don't think they'll change back any time soon, so you have to make hard decisions. Some of them were allowing her to have her way, but once it becomes so toxic that everyone feels uncomfortable, something has to be done.
She became a better person, I think, having been fired. It taught her some humility. She since has used her Nightwish status to carry her solo career, but she has been more candid in communicating with her fans and thanking them for their support. I don't think she was ever unappreciative, but her obsession with always having things perfect took over her sense of reality.
Tuomas was attacked from all sides, and had to put the band on hiatus until he was okay to develop new music. I've had something similar happen, but it was on a local level. I lost 2 friends out of the band splitting. It was really hard for me to work though and I can absolutely relate to having to say goodbye to someone I considered a good friend. Anyone who composes music with this much depth and intensity is going to feel severely about this sort of thing.
I think we're all very fortunate that Tuomas decided to carry on and put his grief into his music. Dark Passion Play was the most amazing album I heard to date when it was released.
I'm happy it's all behind us, because Nightwish found the greatest vocalist for their music in the world in Floor. I don't think any would disagree.
Tuomas is a genius, the band is spectacular, and Floor is a vocal Goddess, ...... Full stop. Show me another band and lead vocalist that even come close to this level of art, technicality, and performance and I will gladly admit it, but in my 61 years on this earth I have never witnessed anything like them and I've been a fan for some 4 or 5 years now...... Better late than never!
I agree 100%. I thought I'd heard it all from every musical genre but then 14 months ago I watched and listened to this live masterpiece having not heard of Nightwish or Floor before. I have been blown away eversince. Phenomenal band. The best. Paul 🙏😊👍❤️
Tarja and Marko are going to have a concert together in july btw. I’m glad that they are getting along better. 😊 Since you read the open letter to Tarja, you might also be interested in her version of the story (in addition to the letter from her ). There is an interview here on youtube. The title is “Tarja Turunen press conf (with subtitles)/ post NW break up”. Always makes me cry to see her cry. This band is so important to me. I listen to them since 1998 and their music helped me through a difficult time. I was really devastated when they fired her but now that they have Floor, I love them again. They are both great singers. ❤ Thank you for your reactions to their music. 😊
Tarja and Marko are performing in the *same show*. They are not having a concert and singing *together*. Separate performances. This is a very common misconception about that concert and I fear many may be disappointed if they go to to the concert to see them perform together.
One of my cats was really interested in you demonstrating the difference between classical and operatic!
Great reaction to a great song. I truly believe that Tuomas wrote this song with Floor's voice in his mind. As far as I recall Floor was a candidate for Tarja's successor but Floor was still committed to After Forever. But when you compare the album version with Anette Olzon as singer with the Wembley 2015 performance, it's so incredibly clear this song was meant to be brought to perfection by Floor's vocal power, range, and precision. One hundred percent.
Yes they did!
a powerful and epic song even for Nightwish. The reasons for the song-you can feel the pain and torment in music and the lyrics-stunning as always as are your comments...
if you watch the "end of an era concert" you can see what the band was feeling, especially Jukka and Tuomas. They wore their feelings on their faces
Great reaction to this incredible song 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
This is the best in-depth reaction I've ever seen for this Epic Masterpiece 👏👍 Thank you for this intelligent reaction 😊 Can You please do a similar reaction to Their other epic THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH ? It's about Evolution & Life on this planet ! It's a Science Lesson In a Song ! It's brilliant & I'm so sure you will luv it & get its meaning better than most reactors! Nightwish Disciple From Australia 🇦🇺🏄♂️🍹
Nightwish is a scenery of my soul!!!!! How beautiful is that!! To me this sounds so poetic. I think this had to happen, Nightwish with Floor Jansen. I am glad i found them together with Floor. They are amazing.
My favorite Marko performance is from the first song in the Imaginareum album which is entirely in finish. I think it is one of the most beautiful performances of his.
I just started a journey of actually looking into my favorite bands history, lyrics, and song meanings. This has always been one of my favorite songs to listen to for the last 5-10 yrs and never really thought about anything besides it sounds awesome and the music theory to it.
You've changed how I'll listen to this song for the better from now on
This has been my favorite reactions for ages. Don’t see that changing any time soon.
Really appreciate the extra time you put in to go and look up the inspiration and story behind the songs you react to. It adds so much, especially with a band like Nightwish and a writer/composer like Tuomas.
I've often felt like listening to Nightwish songs without knowing the story is like listening to the songs from a musical without the story inbetween. The songs can still be great, but you're missing out.
Your voice is amazing! Thank you for taking your experience and talent and using it to show the magnificence of this performance. You're so beautiful too. I cry a lot for several reasons. Beauty makes me cry. To see something so beautiful that it makes you sad because of all the ugliness in this world is the best tears to shed. Sadness with beauty is a powerful emotion that I love to experience.
Thank you for your lovely comment and welcome to my channel. Hope to see you on our Mondays live stream. 😊❤️
@@maggiereneemusic I am always working but I would love to watch a recording if available. Thanks again for just being you. Much love! ❤️
This song is incredible. You can see the emotion on all of their faces.
Almost no one, I think, remarks on Tuomas' stunning blend of elements of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring and Karl Orff's Carmina Burana in various sections of this masterpiece composition. It is genius and it is flawless.
I saw -1:12:32 and thought, Oh No, however this was your finest moment as a reactor....Kudo's Magee Renee, this 79 year old, thoroughly enjoyed your reaction, and of course the song, probably 300th time listening to this....Thank You
OMG... this woman is a GIANT with a man's physic with woman body parts and her voice! 1ST time watching because Maggie reacted to it.
Maggie I'm a sucker for thick long beautiful hair on woman, your windmill got me... love it!
peace
Thank you! Hope to see you on tonight's livestream! 🥳
Another thing about Floor being offered the permanent lead singer for Nightwish, she and Tarja are friends although not really close. However, when she was made that offer, she immediately called Tarja and basically asked if it was alright with Tarja if she became the Nightwish lead singer. Tarja said she didn't really care anything about Nightwish anymore and she had her permission to sing with them. BTW, Floor recently opened a concert for Metallica and slayed it. She got a standing ovation when she walked off. She has quite the belly already pregnant with her second child.
Only floor could do the justice this song needs. And yes, Thomas has said they will no longer play this in the nightwish set. Can't really blame him. Mad love for the band checking on him during the song. Even floor, who is an empath, looks to him during the song. She wanted to do the best singing for his most personal song. And I'd say she did .
There's nothing but RUclips hyped comments about Emppu and Marko checking on Tuomas during the song. We have no idea what they are talking about. It's as if he is made of porcelain. I have never heard anyone in the band talking about special support for Tuomas. That doesn't mean it's not true. We just don't know. If anyone have a source for this please let me know. I don't mind being wrong as long as it is the truth. What is true though is that Tuomas (his own words from an interview) sometimes, not always, asked the sound guys to turn off the vocals in his inears because it brought him back to that emotional state he was in when he wrote it. He has also said that he is way past that and isn't the same person anymore.
I was so impressed with your reaction. I didn’t subscribe with the last Nightwish video you did. Not sure why. Subscribing now. Looking forward to you next visit to the rabbit hole.
🤘🤗🤘
The “3 minutes and counting” gets me every time. The fact that he timed the song so include his musical unaliving at the 3 minute mark is poetic
My 2nd favorite windmills next to the Valkyrie Goddess
Magnificent voice! And Floor was phenomenal as well.❤
The fact is Marcello poisoned Tarja's mind with pompous delusions of grandeur and seperated her from her friends and bandmates, all to entrench himself in her life and suckle like a parasite off her fame. He destroyed her life and brainwashed her into believing he was her everything and anything else is immaterial. He is a disgusting human being and she is a fool for falling for his bullshit... yet Nightwish found Floor, and that is the best blessing to have ever happened to the band, and the fans. X
Floor has an imaculate sense of judgment with regards to tone, color, style, emotional infliction and emphasis in the songs to best convey a certain feeling in specific sentences and such.
Like she becomes the character, entity or emotion. In this case Thuomas, his inner voice and his mother speaking to for him and to him like an extention of. Enhancing the immersion and elevating the song and performance. Truely a god-tier vocalist! And the song is the definition of a masterpiece, an artful masterpiece, a poetic masterpiece.
Great reaction. Watched a lot of reactors react to this song. This was only the second one i saw with a good background. Chase Carneson did a similar reaction with a good background 3 years ago. A masterpiece written in a dark period in Thuomas live. This shows that the best music is written in emotional times. Btw you got a beautiful voice Maggie. I am not a fan of long reactions but this one flew over like it was half that long. Thanks for this great reaction.
Floor is pure magic... The great queen of the Valkyries...
This masterpiece is so so deep!
Betray Tarja? No, it was Tarja who betrayed Nightwish with Diva-like behaviour, disloyalty and lack of appreciation for the rest of the band and the fans. Her husband was also a problem, being apparently greedy and selfish on Tarja's behalf. They DID work well together, but it was off the stage that the problems were. Its all in the past now. Tuomas was deeply upset at the time (the video shows him sat alone with his head in his hands before the concert), but has since said he's not that person anymore. Marco and Tarja never hated each other. Incidentally, Marco has appeared with Tarja this year, and on other occasions since the split.
LMFAO open your eyes
@@luxetveritas9196 OK, so you're a Tarja fan' I understand that really , but Its not about opinions. It happened the way it happened and our opinions or quoted facts won't change that. The End of an Era video speaks for itself. It was 17 years ago, now its over for us and all concerned from Nightwish; time to let it rest. Tuomas, Tarja and the band have all moved on from it.
@@TheRealRedAce sorry, but saying it's a 'fact' that Tarja was a diva is a load of bs. What a joke. Where is your concrete proof of that? What about the behaviour of the guys, including the fact that Tarja was assaulted by a fan on stage and they just carried on playing and did NOTHING to help her - that speaks volumes about them as people. I don't think Tarja was a diva, but by god I wouldn't blame her for becoming one with such caring and kind bandmates as that.
@@luxetveritas9196 I never said it was a fact. But it was. Have you seen the End of an Era tour video? Also there are Tarja's own witnessed statements regarding the band before she was fired. Then there was her treatment of the fans by cancelling several concerts at the last minute without good reason. There was also her refusal to rehearse the songs. As for the onstage assault (which wasn't really an assault, but just an overenthusiastic fan) its likely the band were unaware of it at first. In any case its security's job to deal with that sort of thing - and security DID deal with it.
Let's be real. Tarja and Tuomas were having an affair and when their intimate relationship ended, their working relationship died with it.
If you want to hear angry Nightwish, "Master Passion Greed", is allegedly about Tarja's husband, and they really weren't happy with him. Never p*ss off a composer with a metal band, an orchestra, and 2 choirs to play with😉
could you immagine that this song isn't wrote for Floor but for Annet, Floor brought this song to so mucht higher level, she has the voice this song deserved, Thuomas also called Metal Mozart and this masterpiece is just another example why he's called Metal Mozart
All of the song were written before they choose Anette as the new singer so it was not written for her either 😊 the second album they did whit Anette was written whit her voice in mind! But yeah, Floor is amazing ❤ so happy she is in the band
*all of the song on dark passion play
@@93Screamqueen yes, all songs were demoed with Marco doing 100% of the vocals. Some of those can be found on YT. Especially this one is a lot more rough in demo.
@@tubelious yeah you can find some songs on the dark passion play delux version also 😊
magnifique réaction
Such a beautiful and deep song. It was one of the first songs that I listened to from Nightwish. I will always love Nightwish from the beginning of Nightwish till the very last song. Amazing reaction Maggie.
Thank you so much! I APPRECIATE YOU!! 🤗🙏🥳💟
While the open letters were not the best way to deal with things, it does mean that the fans could see why and what the band were feeling, it was a shame that it all happened but keeping it hidden could have been worse for everybody, Tuomas got a lot of hatred for it which I think is unfair especially as it could be seen that the gap between the band and Tarja had grown to a point where there was no easy solution for anybody.
I think The Poet is one of the best songs Tuomas has written yet about such a bad time for the band.
Great reaction... Good research.... then you understand the real meaning of this masterpiece! 😢
Thank you
My pleasure. 😊
Tarja didn't actually got fired. Since during 2003 guys founded company to take care band's finances and asked Tarja to be part of it. But she didn't want, so she was freelance singer in band and they just didn't re-sign her after lastest album and tour.
Love your reactions, love Nightwish! Win-Win!
Thanks so much! 🤘😊🤘
" Did they betray Tarja?"
Omg, get outta here with those dumb clickbaits
indeed, so lame
He loved her
There is Another Epic Song that is Equal to To THE POET AND THE PENDULUM , It's Called THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH ( Version With the Fireworks is brilliant ) Nightwish Disciple From Australia 🇦🇺🏄♂️🍹
Great reaction, thank you.
Please make a rection video about the High Hopes from this band. Marco is really awesome.
That reaction was a amazing Maggie. Mad respect to you❤
The best deep dive and breakdown of this piece I have ever seen truly I am amazed, Great job by you..❤
So this is a re-reaction as you already uploaded this video about a year ago. But the performance is so epic that I don't mind.
Good that at least one person noticed this. Maggie uploaded a lot of videos again. I think it is kind of a betrayal of her subscribers. Others do this as well, but at least they tell their subscribers in most of the cases.
@@thomashoffmann3656 👍
@@thomashoffmann3656 I guess you can't read as she clearly states in her description that this is a re-uploaded video due to RUclips issues. So I guess most people noticed, just didn't feel the need to complain about it.
@@Skybolt211 so she has learnt something then. I have to admit that I haven't read the description before. But she hasn't done this always. I remember when I subscribed to her that there was just one channel. Then a second one came up with her. And what happened? She uploaded so many of her old reactions she had done before - without saying anything in the description. That was the time I got disappointed. Furthermore, you have to go to the description to find out, and I am pretty sure that many of the viewers don't do that. Other reactors make an extra short intro and tell their viewers that they have published it before and when they did it. Much better to do it this way. But you are right, I haven't read the description. Normally I don't need a description to songs I know in and out, so I just don't read them. In this case I missed this information, but having said she didn't do so always, I haven't expected that.
one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.
Greatest written and performed...
Nice windmill!!!!
❤ Your windmill will be also legendary as of Floor ❤
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Hai Maggie great reaction👍have you seen the Panthom in Amsterdam with Henk Poort in the Ziggo Dome? 11-2022 a kept promise
the best a ever seen...thanks cheers👋❤
Maggie, what you must understand is that Tuomas prefers to show his emotions to his world through his songs and music, via Nightwish. However, with Tarja and what happened, even Tuomas became so depressed he wanted the pain to end -- even, for a time, ending things permanently by taking his own life.
After the Open Letter was made public, it got so bad, and divided the fanbase so harshly, that even the PM of Finland got involved. It was at that point, from what I understand, that Tuomas had had enough, and went home to Kitee, and to his parents (Tuomas has since then, in the last couple of years, lost his father). It was during these "quiet times" that he put his emotion into music -- writing both Poet and the Pendulum, as well as Master Passion Greed, arguably Nightwish's heaviest and most aggressive song.
However, because I know what depression is like, I empathize with Tuomas from back then. I know what it feels like to think everyone is against you, that nobody cares. To feel as if the only way to end the pain, is to end one's life. Thankfully, Tuomas did not do so. He was able to use music as a catharsis for his pain, and was able to process it and move on from it, acknowledging what part it played at that time in his life.
Because we now know that without Tuomas, we wouldn't have this genius music he has created, and we wouldn't have Floor to sing it. We wouldn't have this perfect imperfection of human expression, which feels as if we see ourselves through shattered pieces of a broken mirror.
Because even Tuomas is human -- a fact he acknowledges very much. Whether it is the stories we tell, the pointless stuff we do, the things we should pay attention to and don't, or the warnings we should heed, and don't -- all of it is part and parcel of the human existence. And the most amazing thing is this, that Dr. Carl Sagan once wrote:
"Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam." ~ Dr. Carl Sagan, _Pale Blue Dot_
Edit: That being said, Maggie, the way Tarja handled things does not excuse nor change the fact that Tarja is who got Tarja fired. Nobody else was doing what she was doing at that time in Nightwish. And I have no doubt as to the validity of the way Marcelo changed her attitude and demeanor. Because of all the times I have ever conversated with other people about this, especially those who still, even now, hold a grudge against Tuomas for this, I have asked them: What reason would Tuomas, Empuu, Jukka, and Marco have to lie? Especially with a public "open letter"? There is no reason to lie -- because when you have 4 people agreeing to the same thing, then that becomes a conspiracy. And it also isn't hearsay, given that each one of the band members knew about this, saw it happening -- and were witnesses to it. Which means that they had first-hand knowledge about it.
Thus, Tarja had no leg to stand on back then. It was her own fault for letting her husband, Marcelo, influence her the way he did, to the point it drove the other members say, "Yeah, we wish we could work this out, but that's not going to happen. You have damaged our relationship with you to the point that we no longer feel comfortable in this arrangement. So you are no longer needed for this band to function."
And I agree: Tuomas wrote a termination letter as deep as his music. He could have just said she was out in a press statement and left it at that, and facing the inevitable backlash as a consequence regardless. The Open Letter really was a way to try and mitigate the anger Tuomas saw coming; whether it was the right course of action, even I don't know. But what I will say is that I watched Tarja's press conference, and I will say, she wasn't at all sorry about what the Open Letter stated. She never addressed those things. What she was sorry about was losing the prestige of being Nightwish's lead vocalist, as she had been attempting to use that to bolster her own career.
And perhaps in a bit of irony, Floor's solo career is doing what Tarja's never could: Living in harmony with Nightwish, as Floor lives in harmony with her hubby Hannes, as the drummer for Sabaton. I mean, what else can you say about Floor opening up for Metallica, in place of Five Finger Death Punch? Lol
this song has nothing to do with how Tuomas felt about Tarja or her being fired by the band, it is only about his state of mind in dealing with the media & fan onslaught against him afterwards and how he processed that.
Not true. If you think that, then you do not understand the meaning of the lyrics, especially in the beginning, particularly about "having two faces/one for the world, one for God, save me" or the lyric "I cannot die/I, a whore for the cold world." These lyrics are very much a part of how things previous to the events that led to Tarja's firing had as much influence, and as much to do, as Tarja's actions did.
Whether you like it or not, we are a sum total of not only our biology, but also our experiences in life, and how the former affects the latter.
Because you can't say Poet and the Pendulum had nothing to do with, at minimum, Tarja's firing, when it was a direct catalyst for the creation of the song. It literally is why the Open Letter was written, and the direct reason the backlash happened -- and why Tuomas became so depressed he wrote this song. It is not at all proper to say that the chain of events that transpired before this song was written had absolutely nothing to do with the song being written. Such thinking is illogical, especially when the lyrics themselves, in the beginning, are exactly about what happened with Tarja and her firing. Even the titles of the beginning movement and the end movement have to do with this. So it is undeniable, really, that Tarja's firing had a lot, I would say, everything, fundamentally to do with this song.
Because logically, had Tarja's firing not happened, and the backlash not happened, this song would never have been written, specifically because Tuomas would never have become depressed enough to write it.
@@isaiahwelch8066 you can come up with whatever interpretation you choose to but that does not change the "FACT" that Tuomas himself has said what the song is about, Il go with what he says anytime.
@@nicod1361 : Just because Tuomas doesn't give the entire background in an interview, doesn't make what I said any less true.
Even Tuomas, in the Open Letter, acknowledges the "FACT" that the past the band had with Tarja had some part, some piece, of why she was fired. And in that sense, Tuomas acknowledged the past in the Open Letter -- which, as I stated, was fundamentally and directly responsible for why Tuomas wrote this song. And to say that the past with Tarja didn't have anything to do with the song would be akin to saying you have traveled from one place to another destination, and then denying the time the journey took in between departure from the first place and arriving to the second. Time, whether we acknowledge it or not, still plays it's part, given we move through four dimensions in life: Length, width, depth, and time.
So again, denying the time Tarja was a part of the band? Denying the very real reason that was the catalyst for the Open Letter, and denying the reason for the depression Tuomas had. Because I know what depression is like, and I know, which the Open Letter confirms, how someone can roll around past events in their head and think about things a lot. And in Tuomas' case, the drama surrounding her was part and parcel of everything that led up to writing The Poet and the Pendulum. So to say that it wasn't, when it was, is wrong.
Have you ever listen to any intevju with Tuomas? He was never going to kill himself, it was some sort of mental suicide. To kick out Tarja was a long process, it started 2002 when Marko became a member of NW, and for almost one year they knew Tarja had go, but first they should use her for the tour Once. For the last three weeks Tuomas had that letter with him to the shows and after the last gig he gave her that. It would probebley never have happend if the guys had helpt Tarja july 30 2020 in Mexico when she was sexual abused on stage by a fan. She felt on the floor right beside Tuomas and the man pressed his hand into Tarjas pants, but none of the guys helpted her. But the man they just met some days before he was the contact person on the first South Amerika tour, ran out on stage and helpted her and that was they guy she later married. The way Tarja was treated by the NW band was horrible. Tuomas also admitted that to firering Tarja was like going thrue a bad and ugly divorce, and that it was not just one persons fault, they were all guilty to it. Marko wrote his biography 2017 and he said that ” Tarja was never the problem” and today there are no hard feelings between them, so if people talk things could be fine. Tuomas father died 2022 and Tarja sent condolences immediately, Tuomas was very touched by that.
If you didn't know by now this song was originally written for there second singer Anette Olzon not Floor
I usually never comment on reaction videos (lurker), but I just wanted to say your coverege of this song really "stood out of the crowd".
In my teens I was a huge Nightwish/Tarja fan. After the breakup I kind of lost my interest. Sad to say, but I probably was one of the people critisizing Nightwish/Tuomas after the fact. =/ With Anetta they sounded too "poppy" for my liking.. and I kind of just "forgot" them.. A few years ago I re-discovered Nightwish (thru a youtube reaction video), after that I have listened to all of their "new" releases and became a fan once more. Since then I have watched a ton of Nightwish reaction videos. You could almost say that it has become hobby of mine (as weird as it sounds).
TLDR I just wanted to say, that in my opinion your coverage of "the poet & the pendulum" was one of the best I've seen thru the years.
Thank you I appreciate your comment. 🤘🤗🤘
I would love to hear and see @maggiereneemusic make cover/tribute to some Nightwish song.
It's great to see someone like you understand why this song ! This Masterpiece was written 👏😝👍 Other reactors don't do the research & get the message within a Song & the meaning or the pain of a song ! I think it's fantastic you get an Understanding of this Band & Song 👏👍 I think Floor is the best lead singer Nightwish have had ! & i know some people will stay loyal Tarja & that's fine ! In my opinion Floor is Nightwish ! She gets it & feels it ! I'm a Nightwish fan for past 15 years & Luv this Current group of musicians ! I'm missing Marco & hope one day he joins Nightwish again 🙏 Marco & Floor Singing together complement each other & they are the magic ! Nightwish Disciple From Australia 🇦🇺🏄♂️😝
Letters, letters, smoke signals and homing pidgeons. This is a drama of the highest order. But the result is an emotional Masterpiece, which will end to a cathartic purification 😭😭😭! ⛄❄👍
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Tarja was as genuine in her reply as she was with her crocodile tears at her press conference that followed.
Ok, wow. You know this from?
I highly doubt you have personal insight or any knowledge of what Tarja was feeling or going thru.
Why so much hate AFTER 18 YEARS??? Duh! Marco even apologized to her for the ugly behaviour of the band towards her and her husband back in 2005 and all those years before. And they were really mean to her.
A TINY addon to the backlash,it also came from parts of the media as Nightwish is like royalty over there,Nightwish is probably that one thing they are most proud of. Also a sidenote i always feel like mentioning: Floor towards the end tears up wich you can hear in her "Thank You" at the very end,but you can see her rapid winking just before that,AND at one point you see her looking over at Tuomas as she has finished her vocal parts. She cant really storm on over to him,BUT knowing Floor im sure she would make her way over there anyway,if she saw him struggling.
Markos part was specificly written for him,as Tuomas knew he had some anger he wanted to air out,and Marko BROUGHT IT 100%! Marko also goes insane on Master Passion Greed wich is theyr kick towards Marcelo,who they all look upon as the guy that poisoned Tarjas mind. I somewhat believe that most of the things we saw coming from Tarjas side,was basically Marcelo "directing it".
I did not believe the guys at first,when i heard that they fired her,i as a former victim of bullying,i sided with the woman that got attacked by 4. But then i got to read the letter,i withnessed the anger Marko had towards Tarja at one point,i withnessed the hatred in his voice on Master Passion Greed (it only has a audio upload on YT but worthy a listen),and theyr sarcastic and harsh message to Tarja in Bye Bye Beautiful with Anette Olzon in as a replacement. It is possibly the music video with the most amount of views in Metal music! Currently at over 145 million views! Im a metalhead,and i have not seen any official music video in the metal genre,with this amount of views. I hardly see it in rock music!
Speaking of Floor tearing up (channeling Tuomases mom,wich brings me to tears every time) 1:08:45 You can clearly tell that shes struggling as she has admitted several times that shes really easily touched,and very emphatic as a person.
1:09:24 her looking over on Tuomas a final time,being surrounded by Marko and Emppu,she waited until her demanding last part was done,so she wouldnt mess it up,as she had enough with fighting back the tears already as it was. Shows her insane strength to me! Only song that keeps breaking her when she tries to perform it live,is her own written song to her mom,called "Strong". Wich she wrote as a teenager i believe in her first band After Forever. There is one good cellphone recording of a really young Floor actually managing to perform this song the best i think she has ever been able to sing it. Its called: After Forever Strong uploaded by MC SharQ 14 years ago. Floors mom has several things that has bothered her over the years,but the main thing being rheumatism. Have you seen Emma Heesters picking that song to song to Floor,because she has a mom that survived breat cancer? Emma Heesters sings Strong for Floor Jansen (2019) (with subtitles)
Well... I saw a some kind of a document ( I can't find it anymore) where Tarja stays only with Marcello and end of the show they just leave in bands car and rest of the band stays behind without a transportation!
Tuomas is almost crying and rest of the guys is SO angry.
A great reaction!
To me the final notes from Floor sound like a Mother’s wail for her son. 😢
The other 2 songs related to this “situation”’are Bye, Bye Beautiful (has an “interesting” video (said to be written for Tarja) & Master Passion Greed (no video and will never be played live - and said to be written for Tarja’s husband Marcelo).
Watch them in your own time but that will give you an even greater understanding into the depths of emotion the band was feeling at the time.
There are three more songs about that topic: "Bye Bye Beautiful", where Marko was involved, "I Walk Alone", Tarja's response and "Master Passion Greed", the most angry diss-track Tuomas ever wrote. On footage you can literally see Tuomas animosity towards Tarja's husband Marcelo. Tuomas just couldn't stand him any longer as he followed every step of Tarja on tour. Rumors that Tuomas might have had developed feeling for Tarja earlier, wouldn't help to cure the toxic relation the two men shared.
As great as Tuomas composing skills are, as less seem to be his communication skills, last seen on the file "Marko", where Tuomas obviously was unable to talk to him after his retreat. Thats not the behavior I expect from an adult being towards a band mate that has been 20 years with them.
you miised a vocalist? after tarja the vocalist was not floor, it was annet olson, she is who record this song on the album. For me each vocalist was perfect for the songs that they sang, this song was compossed for annete.
This was honestly one of the best gigs i've ever been to
So many times i literally had the hairs on the back of neck stand on end
Marko is a GREAT singer as well.
Belive the only did this song in 1 tour as it was to hard for a Tuomas to be remembered of this. And thats totaly fair
Inderdaad,this was the best reaction ever for this song,thank you,greetings from the netherlands
That last part with Floor singing. My interpretation is a childs inconsolable crying. Keep the reactions coming.
Most bands have a songwriter.
NIGHTWISH has a COMPOSER!
My husband and I were in the army with a man who had been a Nightwish bodyguard. He said that Tarja’s husband had had a bad influence on her, pushing her to go solo and convincing her she was the star and that the band was nothing without her. It was really her husband they wanted away from but in order to do that they had to cut ties with her. He said they were all devastated by it and probably wouldn’t have made the letter open but they were afraid of what her husband would tell the press and wanted to get a jump on it. Hopefully, everyone involved is happy and at peace with it all now.
BTW, Stargazer is a great song to hear Floor’s more operatic voice.
I love your "holy cheese muffins!"
Her letter shows what a diva Tarja was.
They made it public because the fans needed to understand why Tarja had been fired.
Well done. The examining of this song within the context of the events that drove it was excellent. In my experience some of the pinnacles of an artist’s life work have resulted from being thrown into the crucible of great emotion and pain. It’s sad that anyone should experience such turmoil and sadness, but speaking selfishly, we have been blessed with great art as a result.
F - ing You Tube 26 adds during this playback . They also wrote there most angry and heavy song about Tarja's husband & manager Marchello "Master Passion Greed" is never been done live and never will be but its very clear in this song how much they hated him . PS Marco sings it
You should hear her sing Vilja Lied if you havent already.its one of her Beste Zangers show lerformances.if you wanna see her operatic range
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This is the first time since Nightwish fired Tarja. I did watch the video of her next day presser and was shocked at that outcome. I had followed NW since their beginning and I was in love with Tarja's voice b/c I was an opera buff.
When I heard Anette I could not listen to her voice so I stopped watching Nightwish until I watched Wacken 2013. When I heard Floor(never before though)I came back to Nightwish. I've read a lot of Floor's history and the fact that Nightwish called her for "stand-in work" made me very happy.
[Yes that's Kai. Jukka had to leave the band citing constant insomnia. You may also know that after Wacken, the band asked Floor to join permanently and she accepted.]
I think, the real problem was Marcelo and Tarjas letter clearly shows that she is not able to see it, because she loves him and talking about him and what he brought to the band is "crossing the line".
Marko originally did this song in DEMO form, lyrics are slightly different.
Actually Marko did all DPP album songs in demo form before they found Anette.
wow, really, was it 72 minutes? when did it pass by?
Pendulums...a little shout out to Edgar Allen Poe.
Nice that You did this backround investigsion