Stop Comparing AEW to WWE | Busted Open
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- Dave LaGreca & Tommy Dreamer dive in on what the state of AEW is in 2024 and discuss whether wrestling fans today treat & perceive AEW fairly
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AEW started the hate and they are getting the same energy back.
Exactly 💯 someone with common sense
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I wish I could like this 1000x
All by Tiny Clown, no one is wanting AEW to fail - that's not the argument - the problem is Tony, and because this is his vanity and tax write off and it is literally a grown child playing with his real life action figures with his toy ring. That needs to change, this "shit and hate" is basically saying something is wrong and needs to change and its constructive criticism. The thing is, the marks who don't get laid are the gatekeepers and personally attack everyone - Tony included.
Exactly
AEW is not for me, but not every promotion has to be for me. There's obviously a crowd that really enjoys the way that AEW does wrestling and I'm glad that they have it.
And if they kept the promotion low budget, low salary and mainly did RUclips/live stream content, that thinking would be fine. But then at that point, you might as well just run Ring of Honor and sell AEW to someone who actually can do something with it. Which is what we're all hoping for at this point, but it won't happen because it's safe to say Tony values it higher than it's actually worth.
Well said and my thoughts exactly 💯
@@TheOuttaPocketVarietyShowshut up lol
@TheOuttaPocketVarietyShow So because you don't like AEW, they need someone else to run it? Who the fuck are you?
Thank you. That is a very healthy and mature take. 😂 the IWC is generally very toxic.
I enjoy aew and wwe and tna as well. They all have great wrestling
Just very different but I don’t mind it I enjoy it all 👍🏼
that's the thing, they SHOULD be different, it's too many people that only know wrestling through 1 lens, and they compare everything in wrestling to that 1 lens, its STUPID
@@Marley11st very true ! It’s never going to stop. Wrestling fans are toxic. But it’s all good. I’m enjoying all this great wrestling 👍🏼 hope you are too bro 😎
me too!
@@bakshotcruz5361 all fans of anything are toxic just look at the Caitlin Clark phenomenon
@@vdubb4751 that’s soo true lol 😂 they’re going crazy over wnba rn 🤦🏽♂️😂
I've watched AEW, I don't have anything against it. But I can notice the difference in production quality. That doesn't stop me from checking in on their product from time to time. But I find it lacking a bit in consistency and a lot of their matches are more spot fest than story. It's like watching a weekly PWG show. But I don't go out of my way to post about it often. This would be my first post about AEW. No hate, just a preference for WWE story telling over AEW as it is currently. That can always shift though. 3 years ago WWE tv was lacking heavily.
like when RAW gave the fans 1 hour of commercial free wrestling....(i mean show)...there was only 7 minutes of wrestling in that first hour. As a matter of fact, the entire 3 hour program had less than one hour of wrestling.
@@1axe2grynd If I want just matches and no story I can go to a local PWG, I'm not going to look for that on national TV. Flooding your show with matches and not building a story behind it will cause the show to fail. You can like it or not but that's the reality of TV. No story means no ratings. I see plenty of wrestling in WWE shows and lengthy matches on their PLEs. I don't hate AEW in fact I like a lot of the talent they have. But they don't know how to produce weekly TV very well. They book arenas they can't fill and they have too many wrestlers that get lost in the shuffle. They have work to do if they want to draw more people in.
La Greca answered the question off the bat. Those first 3-4yrs it was "Jericho is the demo-god" "Tony studies ratings and numbers hes gonna beat WWE" "Look at us out draw NXT." Fast forward to now and its "Ratings dont matter, just enjoy wrestling, get a life" etc etc. Love to see it
Just an FYI, the kiss wasn't shown in the US, but it was shown in the UK.
And Canada this guy is a moron it has nothing to do with time
The kiss was shown live in Australia!!! It wasn't cut off either for the UK as far as I know. Bad it wasn't shown in the US. Probably due to timing issue (going over time) with the network or something.
I just read the title of the video, here’s my response:
TELL THIS TO TONY KHAN NOT THE FANS.
He started it and has continued to mention and compare AEW with the WWE.
Thank You
Ayooo pause Tommy dreamer talking about BBC vs cmll 😭😭😭😭
😂😂😂😂
Im a WWE guy but proper competition is always a good thing.
AEW is not proper competition
@@elboogie2324 it is with talent, if not for AEW both MJF and Osprey would be in WWE right now, wich would be amazing.
@@elboogie2324 it will get there as soon as Khan stops being stubborn
@@Ruben-so7pu There is no competition, even from a talent perspective. WWE already has a version of both those guys in The Miz and Seth Rollins.
Wwe is what you watch when you already know what is going to happen it’s to make believe
Great clip fellas! I'm with u 100% Dave
It would be naive to think that AEW doesn’t have their share of problems because they do. However, I think people have been so used to WWE’s bullshit, that the moment they start doing better, they’ll find any excuse they can to neglect their own problems. It’s been like this for a minute and it is unfair, but it’s what it is. I will say if people are that pressed about TK’s social media antics, then people should just mute him, block him or just get off social media. It’s really that simple. All in all, I’m just tired of the cynicism and just want all companies to do well, because when they do, everyone wins including us the fans.
You have written such a long para. I didn't read even 3 lines
This sounds nice, but it doesn’t comport with reality. All that kumbayah let’s love and support everybody unconditionally shit is dead. It has nothing to do with being unfair, AEW just sucks. But it doesn’t have to. We can want all companies to do well, which would be great for wrestling, but in order for that to happen we have to call out the BS. And an awful lot of that BS is coming from Tony Khan and AEW. Otherwise, we’d simply be implicitly enabling his nonsensical booking and that does nothing to help the product, the wrestlers, or wrestling at all. Muting and blocking TK is like putting your fingers in your ears and yelling LA LA LA LA! It doesn’t address the problem.
7:15 Tommy Dreamer had no emotional investment in the BBC match with the CMML luchadors? I know AEW isn't PG but that's a different type of hardcore, Tommy 😂
11:31 Tommy looks like he’s really had enough for one day …. 😂
No Business is ever perfect . I love AEW ,WWE and TNA they don't have to be perfect for rme to be entertained . Just deliver good matches and storylines !
No wrestling company has ever been run perfectly. But you CAN and SHOULD be run sensibly.
Tell me this. If you give a younger Paul Heyman (during his ECW days) or Scott D'Amore the same power and access to resources that Tony Khan has, can you honestly tell me that AEW wouldn't be ran better?
Toni storm, Mariah, mina story make no sense.
@@SAM-ru4vx how so?
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 you tell me what they are doing then.
@@SAM-ru4vx putting on a show for ungratful piece of utter gobshiiite
This was the same conversation in 2019. AEW did something wrong and everybody found an excuse
i think the negative is amplified because our hopes and expectations were raised higher once you present the company as something that's going to compete head to head w/ wwe. also ppl prob feel bamboozled. because every time you find something you like or gravitate towards in AEW.. it seems like they'll take the character or story in a completely different direction or ppl will just straight up disappear. and the disappointment lingers while the enthusiasm dissipates. MJF was one of my fav things to look forward to but now i find it hard to get excited
holy crap spot on, thats why me and my girl stopped...start liking a guy and a story and hes gone...or some subliminal msg in a backstage confrontation that leads literally nowhere...as if theyre just like ''you know what nvm lets do this.....with a different person''
Yeah, the booking is just nonsensical. Some people say, just enjoy the wrestling, but that’s stupid and it’s really just letting AEW off the hook. Yeah, you can watch a match, but I’m like, why am I invested? Good storylines are what makes superstars. Otherwise, I’m just watching two people wrestle. I don’t expect to be invested in every match, but I surely expect it with the bigger names.
present the company as something that's going to compete head to head w/ wwe. For that to happen they would of first have to have been broadcasting on Monday Nights head to head with RAW.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 that's the problem. What they are presenting right now isn't going head to head with WWE because they're far more concerned with appeasing the IWC smarks, the wannabe insiders, and the dirt sheets than trying to run a viable alternative to WWE. The constant pandering to the internet bullshit is tiresome.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 when i say "present" i mean their messaging.
Dave gets the shakes if he hasn't talked or interrupted someone in 36 seconds
People don’t want to see AEW fail, they want to see Tony Kahn fail!
Exactly!
Tony Kahn has already failed. He's a terrible booker. I'm not saying I would do better. And
Tk has already failed. He's not a booker. Some of us had high hopes for AEW. Hire a real experience booker. And stop letting everybody do everything in every match and you have a chance. Not to mention how often they run in each market matters. Over saturation is not a good thing. People get burned out. Alright I'm done.
Glad someone said it 👍🏿
Said what? AEW are the ones that were poking the bear, and when the bear bit back now we want everyone to get along. FOH mark
Some good points raised here. I’ve actually been noticing a lot of issues with WWE lately and especially with the creative writing from NXT- from Tiffany Stratton being shamed in a barn to Roxanne Perez beating Jordynn Grace and Kehlani Jordan winning a championship over Soo Ruca, Lash Legend and Fallon Henley. AEW is literally just reaching 5 years and if people actually watched the shows and focused on the product instead of its boss not being Mr. perfect then they would enjoy AEW.
kehlani winning the title over sol ruca is an ISSUE ? tiffany ( the HEEL ) losing a match and getting humbled is an ISSUE ? you wanted roxanne to lose to jordyn ? what are you yapping about, these are ISSUES ?
We've watched AEW...... we're still trying to make sense of AEW five years later.
This comment was just as nonsensical as AEWs booking 😂
and is why you dont give internet wrestling marks the book, cause they can't book for shiiiiiit!
That's internet culture, people will shit on anything wether it's a politician, wrestling, tv or even a theme park ride. People are in their echo chamber and get kicks out of pointing at the other side
Just take review boming. People love to gather and massively trash something by giving it one star because there are a few things they didn't like. It's ridiculous, it's not fair criticism.
13:10 what episode is this with Taz?
I honestly believe that not only do the most toxic people in the world outnumber the sensible folk when it comes to social media presence but that they also spread their negativity and most of the time its not stomped out because the sensible people don't even bother and thus creates this vicious cycle of an echo chamber that's hard to steer in a more positive direction.
Glad someone with a platform finally said this.
I'm so sick of the constant comparisons and constant shit talk from both sides from people who refuse to even watch the fucking products.
Just appreciate the Professional Wrestling is tbe hottest its been since the Attitude Era and be thankful instead of fickle.
What? You're delusional if you think wrestling in American is as hot as the Attitude Era. You AEW marks seem to forget who started poking the bear. Now that the bear is biting back, you're crying? AEW sucks because of Tony Khan, it's pretty obvious. You lose your top 2 stars and what happened since?? Nothing. AEW was doing well because of Cody and CM Punk. If MJF wasn't there that company is in the dumps
Positive energy coming your way Dave ✨️ 🎉❤
They did the same thing to WWE from the mid 00s to 2019...it's what people like or hate at the time
Respectfully 2009-2020 That wwe was much worse than current aew. Rematch after rematch after rematch after rematch. Not listening to LIVE fans. 3 min womens matches. Super cena. There was alot of things that were objectively bad and not nit picking. There was some good too. But...
I feel like if you are a true Professional Wrestling fan you appreciate any type of great wrestling matches that you can get now a days or great storylines and storytelling. Lets appreciate the guys and girls who put their bodies online.
The matches AEW are putting on aren't great matches. They're highly choreographed, flippy garbage.
I don't have to tolerate garbage or lower standards to be a true pro wrestling fan. If you want to enjoy it, that's your choice, but i don't like or appreciate my intelligence being insulted. Watching guys get lynched and set on fire at a PPV for the amusement of bloodthirsty sycophants is NOT professional wrestling as far as i'm concerned. I wouldn't accept anything from WWE that i wouldn't accept from AEW, TNA, NJPW or some other promotion
@@decepticonxhunter4850so I am just guessing you really hatted the Randy Bryan and the fend match where Randy burnt the fend alive right?
I abhor comments like this. They come from people who don’t have standards.
@@decepticonxhunter4850I actually grew up during the Territories. If I see a great match, storyline, and storytelling in the ring with psychology I am gonna love that shit. Don't completely shit on promotions when all of them pretty much have different types of wrestling.
Should have Bully Ray on this show because I would love to know his thoughts on this.
Thank you Tommy and Dave! Good conversation.
Just ignore the hate lol
It makes it easier to think for yourself.
Two completely different promotions.
Back in the Day I loved channel flipping between Raw and Nitro. Many fans back then would watch both products because we loved wrestling. Now its just tribal like PlayStation vs Xbox crap. I love all consoles because I love games. More choice is better for all. That includes wrestling.
Finally someone is saying it. People can only have one good fed. If one is good, then the other has to be bad, even when it isn’t.
I’ve dumped so many podcasts because they suddenly became biased
some real great points in this video, love tommy and dave and also i love all wrestling every promotion i think the world we live in people are mostly just negative online instead of focusing on positives
I love how wrestling fans hate wrestling more than the people that don’t even even watch it.
Every time I’ve watched AEW I have not enjoyed it. I have tried several times over 5 years. I once watched for six weeks straight because my friend told me to give it time. I didn’t care for it, expressed why it wasn’t for me. My group of about 4 friends called me a hater and told me I was just didn’t want to like it. At no point did I ever think “I need to see what happens next.” It comes down to story and driving a narrative.
Now it’s years later. Only one of those friends still watches AEW the other 3 gave up, and one that still watches tells me how hard it is to keep watching.
Besides that 6 week period I never said a bad thing about AEW. I don’t care what they watch and I don’t want to ruin what they like. AEW loss my three friends and soon I suspect they’ll lose the last one. Thats not my fault, it’s AEW’s fault.
If you're looking to see if the match is good you have to watch the match on an individual basis regardless of whether it's aew WWE all Japan Pro Wrestling or any independent show it's the individual match that is entertaining informative interesting or not focus on each individual match what say you NOWLEDGEABLE commentator?
I discussed with a friend of mine about last night's final segment of RAW- there was nothing new brought to the table about the Sick6. It was a paint by the number exact same re-introduction for Bray 2 years earlier. I wanted a new little nugget to further the story.
i love watching AEW especially Collision they've been on fire with the matches(the stories could be better imo). HOWEVER I gotta admit TK makes it really easy not to like him or want to watch his show if I'm being honest. His reactionary behavior on social media makes him seem really lame. i THINK it makes other people not want to watch their TV either. He's doing more damage to AEW himself than anything else. He's either shilling AEW robotically like a bot "TUNE INTO DYNAMITE WEDNESDAY" or talking crazy about WWE. He needs to get off social media or get a social media account manager. Be a personable person, talk like a normal person, talk about what makes your product good instead of talking stats and calling everything you do is great. Also spend less time on social media and write your shows better(or get a team to help write the stories).
nah
You guys are trying your hardest and we as fans appreciate it but your show is one of the main reasons the internet fans are the way that they are
I've always been a WWE guy and I always will be. I don't want to be negative towards AEW just because it's not for me but one observation that I have made across social media is that I'll comment on a WWE post and I'll get some random AEW fan ripping into me just because I like what I watch and that starts the "tribal" war and before you know it, everyone is taking shots at each other. I see the same thing when there's an AEW post and shot get fired from WWE fans.
The thing that I notice from many wrestling groups is when they post something on AEW, the come out firing in defence of it which only attracts the negative comments and it feels like they're calling for it. Maybe they are because it creates a buzz but it also does nothing to promote AEW in a positive way.
Sure, AEW could be doing a lot of things better but they have great talent and they work hard to put on a good show. Wishing for them to fall is only going to hurt the industry but how do you stop the negativity when TK tweets about WWE or Triple H takes a shot at AEW in an interview. It has to start with the top people in each company to lead the way but it builds interest even if it's negative. There's no real solution to this problem because people prefer to troll.
Im pretty sure we all did complain about the becky match and the finish
Here's the real issue that switched. A couple years ago, AEW even when they did something bad, generally didn't insult your intelligence as a wrestling fan. When you see something like the Undisputed Kingdom trying to recruit Kyle O'Reily, turning on him, having a PPV match, and then A MONTH LATER acting as if it never happened, you're now insulting my intelligence. That's why we're now shitting on things
that is a valid criticism.
Didn’t the miz have a feud with gargano then team together with gargano and champa a few months back to fight judgement day? They were a six man until for a few weeks weren’t they?
Didn’t aj styles tell the club that he wanted nothing to do with them back in January when he returned from injury but now they are just cool again after a fake retirement speech?
I have been very sad by the negativity that surrounds aew this company, which kept me invested in pro wrestling. I don't know if WWE is in the honeymoon period like aew was for the first few years but I do not see them get a lot of passes for the stuff that happens creatively like Dave Tommy said there would be doom and gloom posts on the entire company. I'm happy that WWE has gotten better and I think we are at the point of trying to figure out how to make aew better in certain aspects. Why can't they both win and have things to work on? No wrestling company is perfect, and I am happy there is more to talk about and options for where wrestlers can work. Thanks for reading, and thanks, Dave and Tommy, for the video. Have a good weekend!
I’m positive Slipknot had it right. “People = Shit!”
Tony Khan has made this extremely personal. And it’s going to be AEW’s eventual demise. And it didn’t nor doesn’t have to be. Khan is almost single-handedly the reason for it
Dave is actually correct
I'm glad some people watch both WWE and AEW, respectively. It's great that a section of fandom supports both sides. With that said, isn't it possible that this kind of wrestling tribalism started with the attitude era, where fans had to choose between Nitro and Raw? In the end, one side won (and continues to win), and the other side spends the next 25 years explaining what led to their downfall? Wrestling fans are very loyal, and I think they voice their preference very loudly to show what the "true" wrestling fans watch.
fans want AEW to be different to WWE yet at the same time, they want AEW to just like WWE. Whatever Tony Khan does the fans will never be satisfied
Bro it's all a fuckin pendulum at first it swung at WWE and it was the hip thing to shit on them. I remember the stupid comments of people saying oh this or that is better than raw. Aew deserves their turn in the barrel just like WWE gets theirs
Maybe you should send this to Tony Khan
Doesn't matter which federation, we just want great wrestling
I agree- AEW is always hated on for no reason
Definitely not for no reason. quit being a mark, there are absolutely reasons
Finally someone with brains talking facts great video
Negativity sells?
Wrestling, movies are all full of negativity. Its the only thing that sells.
Violence, sadness, all negative emotions with a pinch of positive for the fairytale ending then back to negativity.
I like both, and think WWE needs healthy competition. AEW needs to improve, sure, but I still enjoy it.
It’s kinda sad because a group of us used to watch dynamite on every Week and out of nowhere we all completely lost interest. Tony Khan just doesn’t get all the drama he’s brought has made a lot of people loose interest not just in AEW but Wrestling as a whole.
I still love listening to Busted Open though! Still my favorite podcast
Honestly there are a lot of reasons that people are complaining now instead of before and it is not just the cool thing to hate on AEW, that is just marks trying to say AEW sucks for not being WWE or something.
True wrestling fans looking in can see. First when they started we all gave a learning curve to let them get set up and start to improve.
Now the issue is this is a TV wrestling promotion that doesn't spend much time on character growth and development, as well as building lasting storyline. Yes they have some and they work on some people but a lot of people in the promotion you just don't care about. You have to make people care for or hate the characters to keep coming back to watch.
Chris Jericho said it at a podcast or show that AEW doesn't have writers and they just hit points, that is great for Jericho and other past WWE wrestlers as they have some knowledge and teaching on his to sell and develop themselves and talk on the mic, you have so much talent that comes from working in Japan or Mexico or other Indy places around the world where most of the focus for them is just on the wrestling and not the character development or microphone skills.
You have people that only say curse words and catchphrases . They don't know how to get better and some have attitudes that they don't need it. They need more people to come in and guide them instead of just letting them do. They have fantastic wrestling talent for the in ring work but if they don't build you up to care they just guys that show and do cool things and that's it.
Tony Khan also takes offense to everything that is said about him and AEW. People can say horrible things but you have to be able to ignore and pick out the things that are good to hear and not focus on the negative, he is like Ronda Rousey, if you don't just praise and worship everything that they do then they are angry and hate you for not just loving them because they exist.
There is a lot of great in AEW and we want it to succeed and grow , however wrestling is not just about the moves in the ring it is about overall entertainment, as much as people hate WWE they try to entertain and not just focus on the cool moves on the ring. AEW needs to have more entertainment. That comes from stories and character development and not letting the hate drive you crazy. They need to help the talent learn to cut promos better and sell in the ring better because a spotfest which moves don't seem to hurt people when it is supposed to take so much away from that story aspect.
We want AEW to be the best it can but just like anything we spend time and money on if it is not entertaining or good we will say it. No hate to AEW.
Having 2 major wrestling promotions is not only great for fans but it's great for all employees of wrestling and television companies. Why would people only want 1 company monopolizing an industry?
Honestly i dont think its great for fans. Not this generation. A part of the fan base ONLY knows WWE. Its what theyree used to. Change is hard
lol people outraged and surprised by a show that talks about all wrestling promotions as advertised I don’t even know if I can kill enough of my brain cells to try to understand that logic.
AEW is still the new company. If they want busy people who only have so much time for wrestling to choose them over WWE, AEW can't be just as good - they need to be better.
Tony Khan itself wont stop comparing AEW to WWE. and continuous shot firing WWE is the reason why people not stopping comparing AEW to WWE
Podcasters like Eric Bitchoff, Konan, Jim Cornett, Booker T and Brad Gilmore
😂The shit talking was a lot worse on the internet during the Monday night wars . Lol 😂there was no kind of censoring on what you said .😂 it was brutal !!!
I don't watch AEW or WWE live because they are very late for me, but I see clips of every show on RUclips the day after and when WWE uploads the full show to the Network I watch the whole thing. There's some stuff in WWE that I don't enjoy so much but I don't hate and the same goes for AEW. I like the booking of Toni Storm and her story with Mariah May. I enjoy everything MJF does, I like Christian Cage, Guys like Samoa Joe, Danielson, Castagnolu, Takeshita, Swerve and Ospreay have incredible matches. I wish they were more storytelling driven but the athletic performances are amazing. I also watdh the TNA highlights and I tend to enjoy them. Between those 3 we have 14 hours of TV, maybe about 11 without commercials. Half of that is really good, a lot of it pretty decent too and only avfew thints here and there are actually bad. People are way too negative and way too picky .
Aew is a tape traders dream great matches don’t have to know what’s going on (that’s why there are not storylines) . They are a ppv company that has a match mixtape air live weekly 3 times a week
As an AEW fan Dave, STOP TELLING ME HOW TO BE A FAN!!
I'm a casual, give me an interesting story, character and build and I'll pay attention. I didn't watch wwe from 2018 to 2021. I tried with aew, but they don't do what I like. I'll give them a go again when things change, but they haven't
No I will not stop
I watch both shows
The kiss between Dom and Liv DID air on TV. I only watch Raw televised live. And I have it recording weekly. Not sure where you got that this didn't air. I live in the US.
I have watched AEW since day one and enjoy a lot of what they do. I also love all wrestling and even have a wrestling RUclips channel. (Mercy’s Ring Rants) I 100% agree with you!! Tribalism is so huge that they do not even care about facts. I am so tired of the blatant attacks that are simply a trend to hate on AEW. Thank you so much for discussing this and validating how I feel about this topic. I know for a fact that a lot of these people do not even watch…
I agree on that. However, I would go even further to say that though that this comparison won't ever end if Tony Khan lets his people poke at WWE like it's rule number two on their contract.
Best example: MJF. Love his work, super talented, but please, be professional and focus on your stuff. At least as a sign of respect for people in WWE who carried the company like he did.
Im an AEW guy 100% and i stand by the product. Yes, mistakes were made but half of the AEW trashing is nonsense. We’ve moved on from the punk shite and since then have been putting constantly great matches.
There’s much more money in the punk stuff though. If they just want to appeal to moms basement types then all they need is good matches. But if they want money they need to do more.
There is hate the other way too. I like AEW, but made the joke that every AEW wrestler is contractually obligated to perform 27 finishers per match. The hate I got for that was just as bad.
I respectfully disagree with you Dave, the fundamental of competition is comparison. As long as AEW want to be the top wrestling promotion in the world, they will never not be compared to WWE. Yes they're a very young company, but their boss is a delusional mark who keeps hating on WWE, lashing out on their fans and pretending that AEW is doing better when numbers prove otherwise, so there will obviously be a backlash, not to mention them always talking about WWE openly on TV just to get a cheap pop. They bring this on themselves. You want the bull, you get the horns or sth like that.
THANK YOU, DAVE!! 👏👏👏👏👏 You nailed it on the head!! I've been waiting to hear you guys finally call this shit out and so much more!! AEW doesn't receive the credit it deserves. Too many haters and POS out there, including that fake ass hypocritical WWE shill, Bully Ray ffs 🤦🙄💯 Dave...keep up the great work, brother!!
What? What was different about AEW 3 years ago???? Oh ya, they had Cody, and CM Punk was in the works or was already there. I would argue 70% of AEW haters were marks before, AEW turned them into that. You are going to tell me that you thought it was a good idea to hang Darby upside down from a f'n rope with Owen Hart's widow there?????? A flame thrower?? FOH. AEW gives plenty of material for people to hate on. The only thing AEW has going for them is MJF. That's literally it.
People bash AEW because any valid criticism of AEW is automatically dismissed that you're a bot or a hater or the ever so creative eTard.
welcome to a pro wrestling world of tribalism
Wrestling fandom is like high school. Literally. On multiple levels.
First off, it’s full of people who socially would not be considered cool or part of the “in crowd” of society.
Wrestling fans tend to be part of the lower economic level. They also have never been the most sophisticated or high level IQ.
That said, most of these fans will go whichever way the wind blows on social media or on RUclipsr podcasts.
They literally just want to be with or align with whatever side or take they perceive to be the popular,trendy or “cool” take.
They are just followers trying to be a part of the popular crowd.
They desperately just want to figuratively sit at the cool kids lunch table. They are afraid to like something that might get them ridiculed or made fun of.
Do you know what’s affecting AEW ticket sales? AEW giving a platform to a series of wrestlers with legit go-away heat, and showcasing matches that only a few basement dwellers would salivate over. The irony of hearing Dave’s whiny voice talking about people whining too much online.
So agree with this
As an AEW fan, I have to agree. Every little thing they do is analysed, over-analysed, dysected and criticised. Yes people are free to have their opinions, i'm not gonna whine about the haters. I've growned used to it and I just ignore. I don't need all the negativity. People can say whatever they want, i'm enjoying AEW and that's all that matters.
We gotta get rid of the word HATE I don’t understand why any time someone has a difference in opinion or just don’t like something it’s automatically considered hate
I've not watched aew since the ordeal with the bucks/perry/punk. Tony khan handled that entirely the wrong way. That beef should have been squashed the moment it showed up. Tony khan needs to get a team of people that are I charge of creative. He books ppv matches very well. Weekly TV, not so much.
If anything, I was thinking of Tommy Dreamer as a booker. Booked House of Hardcore, ECW a few times....
I'm not saying this is all people. But some of us have been saying the same "negative" things about AEW for years. That they need to fix this problem or need to avoid this thing that WWE did and we hated. And nobody cared. Now we say it and we're haters. WTF.
(Sorry for the rant in advance lol) I agree with what they say 100%. Neither company is above criticism and AEW is not perfect and I say that as someone who is a fan of AEW and watches every show every week (sometimes I miss Rampage). WWE’s style is not my preferred taste but I still keep track of whats happening and support it. But I’ve noticed for a while when someone posts something positive or negative about AEW, at least one or two of the top 10 comments on the post are just straight up hating like “who cares no one watches it” or they’ll take the tiniest detail and use that for the reason why the whole thing is shitty. AEW is better than it was 6 months ago but it still has a lot to improve in order for ratings and attendance to go up again but that won’t happen if we continue to hate and that drives away casual fans who assume it’s shit because lots of people jump on the hate train for the sake of hating. I hope both companies thrive as well as every other wrestling company
Two reasons I think why AEW has been losing support. First, Tony Khan is becoming really annoying and dumb with his comments. If he made his Harvey Weistein comment 10 years ago when Vince was in charge, I probably would’ve agreed with it but it felt so out of date when he said it and he needs to just stop running his mouth so much and focus on his product. Second, there are some good things on AEW right now like Swerve as champ, the Elite faction and Will Ospreay in general. It’s not the most mind blowing stuff but it’s still pretty good. But there’s also some things that are either just ok or feel really over exposed (The Acclaimed feels like itself starting to become a but stale and Chris Jericho’s storylines just haven’t been working for at least 6 months at the minimum) and when there’s a lot of stuff that people really don’t like, it can bring the quality of everything else down with it. So Tony really needs to be the boss and cut whats not working and focus on the positive things more.
I understand the criticism AEW gets, BUT the problem is when people criticize them about things that other companies don’t receive when they do the same things. It’s the double standards that AEW get versus other companies, and it’s true it’s people that don’t even watch and just say it’s bad and repeat the same reused false information.
The kiss was shown in some places and apparently was supposed to be on tv
It's amazing how worked up people get over twitter comments and replies. It is the worst form of communication we have in the history of humankind and people hinge their entire emotional health on it. Why don't you ignore the comments and go about your day? Unless this is performative and it's to get people to watch the show.
Meltzer is to blame for everyone hating aew because he’s so non-biased against everything they do, and his dying love for osprey.
Tommy clearly has Mark Henry on his mind
In 10 years we will be watching "Who killed AEW?"
Fans don’t hate AEW they just clown on who runs it!! The wrestlers are great.
I totally love great wrestling and the PPVs of AEW are the best stuff
I grew up with WWE, been a fan since I was like 10 years old, or maybe younger ....so naturally I'm a WWE guy, through the good and the bad .....and honestly, I'm not a fan of AEW, but it's existence and success is a good thing for wrestling. The podcasts that Conrad Thompson hosts are really getting bad at just dumping on AEW .... especially the 83 Weeks one with Eric Bischoff.
Aew got me back into wrestling. No it is not perfect but it made me love wrestling again so no matter what i will always love aew. Always at the high points and always at the low points
It's like the day and age we live in and not to bring American politics into this but it's the same thing. If you're Christian, you're automatically a trump supporter, If you're a Democrat, you're automatically on board with trans ideology. Why can't we just be Americans? My point being is that this is the world we live in now It's so tribalistic and if you just like one thing you're automatically aligned with a certain group of people or cultures. And I like what you say here. Come talk to you. Call you on the phone. Have an actual conversation. It's desperately needed in the world and it's desperately needed in this country.
The answer is simple it's not that most fans are just haters it's just aew negatives outweigh they're positives and there's really not a lot to talk good about when that's the case.
AEW deserves it because they call the fans wrong for not watching their GREAT "ding" shows and never changing what's clearly not working.
I imagine for WWE fans it's a bit like a vegan showing you pictures of the horrors of factory farming when Tony talks shit about WWE. We are all complicit in tons of shady shit from corporations we financially support everyday and WWE's scandals are just a drop in the bucket, but I can understand Tony Khan wanting to call it out as well.