Bear in mind that this engine was almost the same as the one in the Pug 905 that won the World Sportscar Championship. Prost was not impressed when he tested the car and even told Senna so!
Just after 3:45 interesting to see the Circuit of Catalunya's layout in 1994, after Senna's death. Many of the circuits had "restrictor" chicanes like this for that year.
Yes, Canada had one in 1994 and 1995 too. If they did it today and Hamilton complain ( as always) for his tyres, the team can say that he can put four tyres of the tyre wall.
Senna / Forghieri were correct and again Ron Dennis did not listen and thought he knew better! Oh and Lutz the putz did not help... Lutz wasn't able to mentally grasp development side pertaining to engines and especially that of the Lamborghini engine! Dennis, Chrysler/Lutz missed huge opportunity! My opinion!
Although Mclaren-Lamborghini for 1994 is an interesting thought, I am not sure it would have worked out really good. The Lamborghini was more powerful then the Peugeot V10 but it was already of an old design, it was more bulky, heavier, needed more fuel and did not had a really good reliability record, even during testing with McLaren one of the V12's had a massive failure and it blew a big hole in the chassis. Also, the Lamborghini engines would have cost money instead of receiving them for free. I think a McLaren-Ford Zetec V8 would have been the better option for 1994 if it ever was an option I do not know for sure. Mika Hakkinen was quoted saying he preferred the Ford V8 above the Peugeot V10 in 1994. At the end Rond Dennis did the right thing going with Mercedes from 1995 onwards.
Ron was as clumsy as stupid. He finally destroyed Mclaren. Then they kick in the ass out of the team , and for a lot of reasons. Real britishball shit and he must sit and take it. And thats all.
@@sabataskull9661 you’re gonna call the man who’s won 17 titles (7 WCC, 10 WDC), more than Todt, Wolff, and Horner “stupid and clumsy”? Get a grip man. He might’ve been losing it by 2015-2016 but it’s not fair to call him that when he’s statistically the best team principal of all time.
@@McLMP4-22 Ronny? Come on, eh. He is a glorified crew boss!. I tell you like it is. Without Prost, Senna , Hakkinen, John Barnard , Adrian Newey, Honda and Mercedes he is a zero with shoes. He doesn't win shit without more better minds in Mclaren and that's that. And I call Ronny a cheater, a stupid and clumsy cheater. After Spygate he must be banned of F1 forever. He is the Lance Amstong of F1. End of story!.
With hindsight the Lambo V12 would have been a better bet. But can see Ron Dennis reasoning with partnering with Peugeot. Giving Mclaren works team status for first time since 92. But peugeot underestimated what was needed to be competitive in F1 and boy did it show.
Maybe the Lambo V12 would have been more competitive in 1994 but I'm not sure. That engine was quick but also heavy, thirsty and not too reliable. Also, the Peugeot deal brought in a lot of millions while the Lambo option would have cost millions. Those Lambo engines were not free.
McLaren were highly competitive by the end of 93 but really dropped off in 94. The Peugeot was weak. Unreliable & lacked power. McLaren should have really gone with Lamborghini with hindsight. Peugeot seemed to lack commitment & expertise
Interesting question indeed. In my personal opinion, I don't think the Lamborghini V12 would have brought much more success in 1994. The Lamborghini V12 was already an old design by 1993 and not too reliable. It was heavy and bulky compared to the V8's and V10's of that time and was fuel thirsty. Also, I think McLaren would have payed a lot of money to develop the V12 further because the engine wasn't free of cost.
Peugeot seemed like the smarter choice at the time. Success at Le Mans where reliability is so important. But it wasn't. At least they made the right choice out of this failure. Getting Ilmor Mercedes engines. But then every bad choice wouldn't be made if we had hindsight before the choice instead of after.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1The chasis was crap, Mansell couldn't get into that crap car. And Mika almost died in Australia for doing miracles with that " car"😢
At first I thought it was about the story of the Batmobile in the 60s, but then I realized that the stove behind the car was bigger... and Bruce Wayne would never have consented to such a thing.
they could have worked with honda from 1993 onwards with the mugen honda v10, which would have tuned to the maximum amount of power for senna's liking instead of ford who focused more in supplying michael schumacher bentton
thats what i often asked; why didnt Mclaren just continue with mugen after honda pulled out in 1992 like williams in 1998 with renault or Red bull did in 2022 with honda
@@1greenMitsi coz Honda pulled out. Plus they would’ve had to pay for engines which weren’t keeping up with development. Look at the mecachrome engines once Renault pulled out. In less than two years it went from being one of the most powerful to one of the least powerful engines
@@dirkdiggler5763 youre not following....yes honda pulled out but the point is why didnt Mclaren opt to continue with mugen prepared Honda engines like Ligier opted to do yes yes yes mugen prepared honda engines werent the most powerful...but compared to what? Were the Ford customer HB engines the most powerful? they literally were powering the slowest teams on the grid....how did the peugeot partnership g for mclaren in 1994??? complete disaster lol mclaren would have been better off going the mugen route for 93 94 and then switching to merc in 1995
Very good video. Jean Pierre Boudy designed Peugeot V10. Boudy had worked in Renault F1 but in mid 80s , left Renault to work for Peugeot. Boudy was responsible for the engines , in Peugeot rally and Dakar program and Peugeot V10 engine in 905. Peugeot engines , in Jordan cars , were more competitive and more reliable. Especially in 1997 , Peugeot engines was very powerful and Jordan cars had good positions in high speed circuits The problem with Peugeot , in 1994 was time. Peugeot signed with mclaren , in order to enter in Formula 1, in October 1993. The engine run in dyno , in December of 1993 and in February 1994 , only one mouth before the first race , the engine run first kilometres in Mclaren car. It was too late , no time for testing, improvements and changes in the engines design , in order to be more competitive and more reliable. After the first two races , with A4 version 690 hp , Peugeot used A6 version with 750 hp. In Formula 1 , 60 hp more power, is a big step between two engines versions , especially when you have not got time for tests and changes in engines design. With the A6 version , started many engine failures. After Hungary GP , A6 version become reliable Other manufacturers start F1 engine programm , one two years , before enter in formula 1 and they have reliability problems.
Its interesting to note between 1992-1995, McLaren had a different engine supplier for each season, Honda in 1992, Ford 1993, Peugeot 1994 and Mercedes 1995, of course Mercedes was the manufacturer McLaren stayed with for the long term until 2014.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 I mean they only kept changing because Honda pulled out at the end of 1992, due to the global recession that was happing at the time, I wonder how different would McLaren's history be if Honda didn't leave after 1992?🤔
@@warwickbull5559 Honda has a record of leaving F1 at the dumbest moments and thus missing the train for more success. Me personally am not impressed by Honda's official reasons for leaving F1 at certain moments in history. Those Japanese have their own strange boardmeeting decisions if you ask me. So far Honda is staying in F1, despite their very difficult comeback years in 2015-2018. With staying and keeping on progressing despite the difficulties they have gained back my respect. Honda now is harvesting the fruits of their persistence, also thanks to Max and RedBull.
In 1994 and the other engines had not power. So McLaren couldn't not compete Williams , Ferrari , Benetton Most engines had the same power with Peugeot A6 , 750 , 760 hp. Lamborghini had 750 hp , but was heavier and more thirsty than V8 ,V10 engines. Mugen Honda had less power 720 730. Ford zetec engine V8 had 740 it was lighter and with better fuel consumption than V10 and V12 , but new zetec engine was only for Benneton. If mclaren had deal with ford engine , McLaren would have the last evolution of the older ford HB V8 engine which had less power than new Ford zetec engine. Ilmor had 750 760 hp maybe the best choice than unrealible Peugeot with the same power. But all the engines had lower power than Williams and Ferrari. So McLaren couldnt win. The power of the engines I found in internet reading many sites
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The sound effects over the shots of the Pug V10 self-immolating are hilarious!
😅👍
To quote the awesome David Hobbs "How do you say Kablammo in French"? The most enduring memory of the 94 Peugeot memory is it blowing up
Haha yes indeed
Bear in mind that this engine was almost the same as the one in the Pug 905 that won the World Sportscar Championship. Prost was not impressed when he tested the car and even told Senna so!
Just after 3:45 interesting to see the Circuit of Catalunya's layout in 1994, after Senna's death. Many of the circuits had "restrictor" chicanes like this for that year.
You are right. Also pretty dangerous that tire wall solution
yes the GPDA chicane it was called as a reaction to the events at imola earlier in the season.
Yes, Canada had one in 1994 and 1995 too. If they did it today and Hamilton complain ( as always) for his tyres, the team can say that he can put four tyres of the tyre wall.
They got 8 podiums! More than Toyota ever got in F1!
By McLaren standards 1994 was very dissapointing, no races won since 1981 😉
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 1980 actually
Toyota managed 13 podiums
Senna / Forghieri were correct and again Ron Dennis did not listen and thought he knew better! Oh and Lutz the putz did not help... Lutz wasn't able to mentally grasp development side pertaining to engines and especially that of the Lamborghini engine! Dennis, Chrysler/Lutz missed huge opportunity! My opinion!
Although Mclaren-Lamborghini for 1994 is an interesting thought, I am not sure it would have worked out really good. The Lamborghini was more powerful then the Peugeot V10 but it was already of an old design, it was more bulky, heavier, needed more fuel and did not had a really good reliability record, even during testing with McLaren one of the V12's had a massive failure and it blew a big hole in the chassis. Also, the Lamborghini engines would have cost money instead of receiving them for free.
I think a McLaren-Ford Zetec V8 would have been the better option for 1994 if it ever was an option I do not know for sure. Mika Hakkinen was quoted saying he preferred the Ford V8 above the Peugeot V10 in 1994. At the end Rond Dennis did the right thing going with Mercedes from 1995 onwards.
I heard Chrysler and Lambo were in poor shape financially and wanted to pull out from F1.
Ron was as clumsy as stupid. He finally destroyed Mclaren. Then they kick in the ass out of the team , and for a lot of reasons.
Real britishball shit and he must sit and take it. And thats all.
@@sabataskull9661 you’re gonna call the man who’s won 17 titles (7 WCC, 10 WDC), more than Todt, Wolff, and Horner “stupid and clumsy”? Get a grip man. He might’ve been losing it by 2015-2016 but it’s not fair to call him that when he’s statistically the best team principal of all time.
@@McLMP4-22 Ronny? Come on, eh. He is a glorified crew boss!. I tell you like it is. Without Prost, Senna , Hakkinen, John Barnard , Adrian Newey, Honda and Mercedes he is a zero with shoes.
He doesn't win shit without more better minds in Mclaren and that's that. And I call Ronny a cheater, a stupid and clumsy cheater. After Spygate he must be banned of F1 forever. He is the Lance Amstong of F1. End of story!.
This is not an engine , this is a rocket.
Very good sounds effects in this video.
Haha true
It would have been awesome to have a McLaren - Lamborghini 😍
Interesting combination at the least 😎
With hindsight the Lambo V12 would have been a better bet. But can see Ron Dennis reasoning with partnering with Peugeot. Giving Mclaren works team status for first time since 92. But peugeot underestimated what was needed to be competitive in F1 and boy did it show.
Maybe the Lambo V12 would have been more competitive in 1994 but I'm not sure. That engine was quick but also heavy, thirsty and not too reliable. Also, the Peugeot deal brought in a lot of millions while the Lambo option would have cost millions. Those Lambo engines were not free.
Great video, thanks.
mclaren definitely would have won races in 95-97 with Peugeot but never a title
Could be!
McLaren were highly competitive by the end of 93 but really dropped off in 94. The Peugeot was weak. Unreliable & lacked power. McLaren should have really gone with Lamborghini with hindsight.
Peugeot seemed to lack commitment & expertise
Interesting question indeed. In my personal opinion, I don't think the Lamborghini V12 would have brought much more success in 1994. The Lamborghini V12 was already an old design by 1993 and not too reliable. It was heavy and bulky compared to the V8's and V10's of that time and was fuel thirsty. Also, I think McLaren would have payed a lot of money to develop the V12 further because the engine wasn't free of cost.
The chasis was bad too, they put a central wing to fix problems.
The only good part of Mclaren 1995 was Mika.
Peugeot seemed like the smarter choice at the time. Success at Le Mans where reliability is so important. But it wasn't. At least they made the right choice out of this failure. Getting Ilmor Mercedes engines. But then every bad choice wouldn't be made if we had hindsight before the choice instead of after.
Mercedes was indeed the better option for the future. Funny enough 1995 would be bad as well with unreliable Mercedes engines.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1The chasis was crap, Mansell couldn't get into that crap car. And Mika almost died in Australia for doing miracles with that " car"😢
They took le mans engine and they used in F 1.
Engines for le man are designed for lower rpms
So higher rpms was to difficult for this engine.
At first I thought it was about the story of the Batmobile in the 60s, but then I realized that the stove behind the car was bigger... and Bruce Wayne would never have consented to such a thing.
Haha funny comment 😅
i think i would rather have Senna DNF the whole 1994 season than die
Gotta love the generic us commentator comment about andrea decesaris. I mean he probably did have some fans but none were in the paddock.
Mika Häkkinen was 4th in the championship! With a McLaren-Peugeot! No word about that? Why?
4th and no race wins was an absolut lowpoint for Mclaren since 1980. That's the focus of this video, it's not a full review video 😄
More hard work than all Hamilton titles! Mika was really great.
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they could have worked with honda from 1993 onwards with the mugen honda v10, which would have tuned to the maximum amount of power for senna's liking instead of ford who focused more in supplying michael schumacher bentton
thats what i often asked; why didnt Mclaren just continue with mugen after honda pulled out in 1992 like williams in 1998 with renault or Red bull did in 2022 with honda
@@1greenMitsi not a works deal. Money comes into it
@@dirkdiggler5763 but mclaren went to ford customer engines in 1993, so why not just stick with old honda units prepped by mugen?
@@1greenMitsi coz Honda pulled out. Plus they would’ve had to pay for engines which weren’t keeping up with development. Look at the mecachrome engines once Renault pulled out. In less than two years it went from being one of the most powerful to one of the least powerful engines
@@dirkdiggler5763 youre not following....yes honda pulled out but the point is why didnt Mclaren opt to continue with mugen prepared Honda engines like Ligier opted to do
yes yes yes mugen prepared honda engines werent the most powerful...but compared to what? Were the Ford customer HB engines the most powerful? they literally were powering the slowest teams on the grid....how did the peugeot partnership g for mclaren in 1994??? complete disaster lol mclaren would have been better off going the mugen route for 93 94 and then switching to merc in 1995
Oh, I remember this season well.. but not for Peugeot unfortunately.
For a Finnish fan it was really painful.
Very good video.
Jean Pierre Boudy designed Peugeot V10.
Boudy had worked in Renault F1 but in mid 80s , left Renault to work for Peugeot.
Boudy was responsible for the engines , in Peugeot rally and Dakar program and Peugeot V10 engine in 905.
Peugeot engines , in Jordan cars , were more competitive and more reliable.
Especially in 1997 , Peugeot engines was very powerful and Jordan cars had good positions in high speed circuits
The problem with Peugeot , in 1994 was time.
Peugeot signed with mclaren , in order to enter in Formula 1, in October 1993.
The engine run in dyno , in December of 1993 and in February 1994 , only one mouth before the first race , the engine run first kilometres in Mclaren car.
It was too late , no time for testing, improvements and changes in the engines design , in order to be more competitive and more reliable.
After the first two races , with A4 version 690 hp , Peugeot used A6 version with 750 hp.
In Formula 1 , 60 hp more power, is a big step between two engines versions , especially when you have not got time for tests and changes in engines design.
With the A6 version , started many engine failures.
After Hungary GP , A6 version become reliable
Other manufacturers start F1 engine programm , one two years , before enter in formula 1 and they have reliability problems.
Very true, thanks!
Well done!
Thanks!
Its interesting to note between 1992-1995, McLaren had a different engine supplier for each season, Honda in 1992, Ford 1993, Peugeot 1994 and Mercedes 1995, of course Mercedes was the manufacturer McLaren stayed with for the long term until 2014.
yup and changing you engine supplier every year is not a good thing, especially in those years.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 I mean they only kept changing because Honda pulled out at the end of 1992, due to the global recession that was happing at the time, I wonder how different would McLaren's history be if Honda didn't leave after 1992?🤔
@@warwickbull5559 I think an active suspension McLaren Honda with Senna in 1993 would have been a real title problem for Prost.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 One of F1's great what ifs, like if the 2008 financial crash didn't happen.
@@warwickbull5559 Honda has a record of leaving F1 at the dumbest moments and thus missing the train for more success. Me personally am not impressed by Honda's official reasons for leaving F1 at certain moments in history. Those Japanese have their own strange boardmeeting decisions if you ask me. So far Honda is staying in F1, despite their very difficult comeback years in 2015-2018. With staying and keeping on progressing despite the difficulties they have gained back my respect. Honda now is harvesting the fruits of their persistence, also thanks to Max and RedBull.
This car is very beautiful.
Y E S
In 1994 and the other engines had not power.
So McLaren couldn't not compete Williams , Ferrari , Benetton
Most engines had the same power with Peugeot A6 , 750 , 760 hp.
Lamborghini had 750 hp , but was heavier and more thirsty than V8 ,V10 engines.
Mugen Honda had less power 720 730.
Ford zetec engine V8 had 740 it was lighter and with better fuel consumption than V10 and V12 , but new zetec engine was only for Benneton.
If mclaren had deal with ford engine , McLaren would have the last evolution of the older ford HB V8 engine which had less power than new Ford zetec engine.
Ilmor had 750 760 hp maybe the best choice than unrealible Peugeot with the same power.
But all the engines had lower power than Williams and Ferrari.
So McLaren couldnt win.
The power of the engines I found in internet reading many sites
I think you are exactly right on the power information. Renault had about 790 hp en Ferrari 800+ hp
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