Academia’s Secret Black Market Explained

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  • @PeteJudo1
    @PeteJudo1  3 месяца назад +6

    Go to ground.news/pete to stay fully informed. Subscribe through my link to get 40% off unlimited access this month only.

    • @beenhog6922
      @beenhog6922 3 месяца назад +8

      Hey man. Chill with the ads... you made a 13 min video with a 2 min add. Dont be a shill man, be smarter than that

    • @necoji4910
      @necoji4910 3 месяца назад +1

      why you type like a cop

    • @HazyWave1974
      @HazyWave1974 3 месяца назад

      Love the channel, but man, you are killing your credibility shilling for Ground News. There's so much right-wing nonsense they've labeled as "Left" it's as ridiculous as the papers you're discussing in this video. I know you need to get paid, but c'mon, man.

    • @wasdwasdedsf
      @wasdwasdedsf 2 месяца назад

      @@beenhog6922 he seems like a leftist vegetable, so hes probably not smarter than that

    • @JamesTrue
      @JamesTrue Месяц назад

      Have to leave. Man you really really lost me here

  • @samryan180
    @samryan180 3 месяца назад +238

    Seriously, this is nuts. 11k papers that were "peer reviewed" were retracted recently.
    You are doing a great job of educating folks on this issue!!

    • @samuell.foxton4177
      @samuell.foxton4177 3 месяца назад +5

      Peer review isn’t working… I’ve peer reviewed for two journals by small publishers (one a University), and the process worked as it should, but it takes a lot of time outside a researcher’s day to review a paper properly (it’s good training though)

    • @samuell.foxton4177
      @samuell.foxton4177 3 месяца назад +6

      Maybe with the sheer scale of publication now, PhD students should be trained “live” in peer review as a matter of course

    • @salganik
      @salganik Месяц назад

      That's why there are prestigious and ordinary journals. If only prestige journals would exist with a tough peer review, where should young career researchers (PhDs) publish the results of their first steps? Many such papers are very niche and technical with potentially not a great immediate contribution to the field to make a big statement. So many PhDs start with ordinary journals where peer review can be not too tough.
      Yet, I agree that it is sad that more and more papers are so bad that should be retracted. Yet, the fraction is really low with 0.03% in 2015 and 0.25% in 2022, mostly from SA, Russia and China.

  • @davidbrook7623
    @davidbrook7623 3 месяца назад +103

    In my recent experience, publishers have started to emphasize that once the article is accepted, the author list cannot be changed. Now I understand why

    • @Heyu7her3
      @Heyu7her3 3 месяца назад +5

      I prefer when the author list is alphabetized, but it still sucks that the 1st author listed will be the 1 name used for in-text citations henceforth.

    • @salganik
      @salganik Месяц назад

      @@Heyu7her3 No one ever alphabetizes the authors list. The first author always stays first. In rare cases, making several authors with equal contributions is possible.

    • @davidbrook7623
      @davidbrook7623 Месяц назад +2

      @@salganik Depends on the journal and the field. There is no cross-disciplinary standard as to who goes where in the author list. In chemistry, the PI, who is often also the corresponding author, is often listed last with their status indicated with a *. Some journals have started including a 'contributions' statement indicating who did what.

    • @danieldale1488
      @danieldale1488 Месяц назад

      ​@@salganikin math, nobody cares about first author slots. In most cases, the author list is just alphabetized.

  • @GiuseppeBertini
    @GiuseppeBertini 3 месяца назад +89

    Careful Pete! (7:15) Elsevier, Oxford, Springer, Taylor & Francis, etc., are NOT journals; they are publishers.

    • @kalebyee
      @kalebyee 3 месяца назад +4

      He is a researcher and doesn't know what he's researching. This is awful

    • @stephenclark9917
      @stephenclark9917 2 месяца назад +6

      @@kalebyee He's just using a short cut phase - all his audience will be OK with this.

    • @kalebyee
      @kalebyee 2 месяца назад +1

      @@stephenclark9917 "all his audience will be OK with this" is a bold claim. Who is his audience? Do you know every one of them? And if you do, how do you know all of them agree on it? Also, "journal" and "publisher" are simple words. It seems he doesn't know the difference since he already said he is very careful with what he says in his videos

    • @arthurcuesta6041
      @arthurcuesta6041 2 месяца назад +2

      Doesn't matter. They only partner with decent journals.

    • @kalebyee
      @kalebyee 2 месяца назад

      @@arthurcuesta6041 you're saying that the words used don't matter in a RUclips channel about science?
      Also, they matter, since he is talking about giving wrong or deceitful information, and saying a publisher is a journal is just wrong information

  • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme
    @itsgonnabeanaurfromme 3 месяца назад +85

    And here I am taking months to get actual research published...

    • @KateeAngel
      @KateeAngel 3 месяца назад +22

      Indeed, and editors criticize you over every little thing they personally don't like

    • @tiotsopkamouolivier3031
      @tiotsopkamouolivier3031 3 месяца назад +12

      I know right. It's really unfair that some people can get their papers accepted within days or a few weeks, while those who really invest their time and resources to do the right thing get rejected after waiting for months!

    • @automatescellulaires8543
      @automatescellulaires8543 3 месяца назад +3

      bad searcher. A modern searcher should publish at least two for every 5 minute of paid work. Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth financing any research.

    • @jackdra
      @jackdra Месяц назад

      Took me 2 years on average to publish research...

  • @caiparry-jones9775
    @caiparry-jones9775 3 месяца назад +138

    Cost of adding an extra author to your paper: Nil
    Value of being an author: Keeps your career alive
    Changing the system so the above isn't true is the only long term fix for this issue.

    • @ferdinandkraft857
      @ferdinandkraft857 3 месяца назад +5

      They _are_ the system, they're not going to change it.

    • @binbadende
      @binbadende 3 месяца назад +2

      Adding authors to actual research papers is almost the honorable way today.

    • @linksvexier9272
      @linksvexier9272 2 месяца назад +2

      It can take only one paper to get the Nobel prize but in the British system (in New Zealand is what we follow) a hundred papers to be a Professor, what's more valuable?

    • @aspid164
      @aspid164 2 месяца назад

      @@linksvexier9272 Aren't both just two extremes?

  • @drmadjdsadjadi
    @drmadjdsadjadi 3 месяца назад +27

    As a former editor of four different journals over the past 30 years, we have always had a policy that all authors must be listed at time of submission. We have never allowed the addition of any authors after acceptance as a change of authorship would be grounds for revoking the acceptance. I am shocked that other journals allowed this.

  • @danderight2199
    @danderight2199 3 месяца назад +62

    How in the world does someone think to get away with publishing two academic articles a week? I understand the unscrupulous will find ways to cheat, but to do it so clumsily? This is like a minimum wage earner robbing a bank, then returning to work in a Rolls Royce and not expecting suspicion!

    • @-astrangerontheinternet6687
      @-astrangerontheinternet6687 3 месяца назад +8

      I mean. Our politicians do that…

    • @alejandramoreno6625
      @alejandramoreno6625 3 месяца назад +2

      higher ups at the academic institution were very happy with it until it became too evident. I can't believe anybody would see an output like that and not think there's something dodgy there. But they always react surprised.

    • @danderight2199
      @danderight2199 3 месяца назад +3

      @@alejandramoreno6625 I’m sure that’s true, and recall similar nonsense from my school days. Publishing 2 papers a week though, is just comical, when each takes months or years to properly produce.

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 2 месяца назад

      @@-astrangerontheinternet6687 "Hi, I am person, I have to express my displeasure with politicians with a factually untrue exaggeration"

  • @sjpandolph
    @sjpandolph 3 месяца назад +31

    As a practicing physician, my patients are being deeply harmed by this academic behavior. I can no longer trust what is being published to treat patients.

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 2 месяца назад

      Right wing conspiracy theories, obviously. Just trust the science, obviously.

    • @aspid164
      @aspid164 2 месяца назад

      @@vyor8837 Both are just opposing extremes

  • @matthewkott8863
    @matthewkott8863 3 месяца назад +119

    As a journal editor, I was already approached by a Russia-based paper mill years ago. They offered several incentives, cash sums for papers, bonuses for speed and volume. They would even provide the peer reviewers, to make the process look legit on the system. I turned the offer down, but I wonder how many of my peers could not resist the temptation to make a quick buck (editors' remuneration is not usually more than a small lump sum stipend, if that).

    • @KateeAngel
      @KateeAngel 3 месяца назад +11

      As Russian why I am not surprised that these exist here...

    • @ifyoureadthisyoudi
      @ifyoureadthisyoudi 3 месяца назад

      In Soviet Russia, paper mill you

    • @irinalapina270
      @irinalapina270 2 месяца назад

      I wonder what the name of the a paper mill was? Or name of the person who offered it?

    • @irinalapina270
      @irinalapina270 2 месяца назад

      ⁠@@KateeAngelAs Russian I’m not surprised that some editor and a professor of Uppsala University who publishes and allows to publish only anti-Russian propaganda would lie here.
      This type of professors of sociology or politics such as Matthew Katy often use money from the Swedish or EU or USA government or sometimes private donations to publish made up, twisted or fabricated stories and research which supports their political narrative. Publishing necessary propaganda in scientific journals, books and movies is called “soft power” and is used as a psyop to manipulate public opinion. That’s why the West is so much obsessed with Russia and Putin that they have to spend money and their lives “investigating” Soviet Union and Russia to write nonsense and meaningless articles. So, don’t believe this professor.

    • @matthewkott8863
      @matthewkott8863 2 месяца назад

      @@irinalapina270 unfortunately, I can't seem to find the email from ca 2018 anymore. I spent quite some time looking, but Outlook and the university mail servers were fighting me every step of the way.

  • @ShaktiChaturvedi
    @ShaktiChaturvedi 3 месяца назад +35

    So I used to work in corporate industry research, where all the focus was on being first to market with some relevant number. I could not stand it and I came to academia, guess who wears a dunce cap all the time now ! Thanks, I will share this with my family so they can understand how shady and murky academic publishing is. Its like nothing should be falsiable and you should get everything correct on first try or the funding or scholarship goes into the air. I have felt extremely mentally stressed, comparable to my corporate job where I was doing 10-11 hours for 5 days a week on stupid deadlines. The only thing I feel at times has changed for me, is that I set deadlines now. But with this whole, line goes up, number goes up approach even prevailing in academia. Maybe even that optimism will go away. Still thank you Pete :) keep up the great work.

  • @benzbubblecat
    @benzbubblecat 3 месяца назад +70

    as a researcher, it's honestly exhausting to think about how much of a burden honesty is. We spend a year or more of intense effort on a paper, while these psychopaths can just buy them with cash or fabricate them and the result looks the same on our CVs.

    • @SynthoidSounds
      @SynthoidSounds 3 месяца назад +7

      It's not just easy to get sucked into the fake publication vortex, it's almost impossible to avoid . . . the "cost" of honesty puts many at a distinct disadvantage, especially since this agenda has become the de facto norm, rather than the exception. Trying to compete with actual "honesty" is becoming evermore exhausting, while those who have become more adept at cheating with fake content simply accelerate past those who are still trying to remain honest, there's very little incentive to do so.

    • @horusreloaded6387
      @horusreloaded6387 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@SynthoidSoundsIt goes from exception to normal to expected. When everyone else game the system, why would you even try to be honest?
      If a position in academia requires points and fake papers are the easiest way to get points, and everyone from your friends to competitiors of the position does it; then why bother?
      And this expansive nature of corruption applies everywhere. It starts from regular college students(during the pandemic, they changed the exams to limit cheating by having too many questions with a harsh time limit, and only those who cheat were able to get high scores because of that; in the next exam less people tried to solve the exam by themselves.)

    • @le0nz
      @le0nz Месяц назад

      That capitalism for you, the rich just keep winning! Life not fair cope or ...

  • @TheZeemo
    @TheZeemo 3 месяца назад +52

    “Not like rubbish no name journals “ at this point with all the stuff you’ve been revealing my trust for reputable journals is starting to feel the same.

    • @vampir753
      @vampir753 3 месяца назад +9

      The other thing is that it happens occasionally (but rarely) that actually good and valid studies get retracted due to pressure from above because the conclusions of these studies do not go well with the interests of some people.

  • @bassetts1899
    @bassetts1899 3 месяца назад +47

    We put so much faith in journals and their peer-review processes, it's hard to think about that faith being taken advantage of like this.

    • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme
      @itsgonnabeanaurfromme 3 месяца назад +7

      That's why reasoning and critical analysis is always necessary. Which is why people referencing papers isn't always true.

    • @useodyseeorbitchute9450
      @useodyseeorbitchute9450 3 месяца назад

      Who puts such faith? Neither masses buy it nor do people who actually had a few their papers reviewed... There is some only narrow band where people speak highly about it.

    • @Heyu7her3
      @Heyu7her3 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme it is true in regards to what the literature shows

    • @ZombieNinjaTurtle
      @ZombieNinjaTurtle 3 месяца назад +3

      Journals need to start treating reviewing as a real job and paying reviewers tbh, no wonder they half-ass it when they literally do it for free for these billion dollar worth journals most of the time

  • @JimAllen-Persona
    @JimAllen-Persona 3 месяца назад +23

    Publish or Perish is alive and strong.

  • @GreenRexker
    @GreenRexker 3 месяца назад +18

    I'm stunned you can apparently submit to a "good" journal, and the standards are so lax that you can pull off all this craziness.
    If you were forced to have a 20 minute phone call with a subject matter expert discussing the paper before submitting, it would massively cut down on this fraud. And it wouldn't cost the journal that much to implement.
    The fact that scientists allow journals to have these low standards brings their occupation into disrepute.

    • @awuma
      @awuma 3 месяца назад +4

      This is a very interesting idea, given that conversations via Internet are essentially free. However, what Pete is describing appears to be corruption at the journals themselves.

    • @Heyu7her3
      @Heyu7her3 3 месяца назад

      That would make the cronyism worse

    • @GreenRexker
      @GreenRexker 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Heyu7her3 it's not about whether they think it's good or not, it's about if you can hold a conversation on the paper you supposedly wrote.

  • @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs
    @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs 3 месяца назад +135

    Trustworthiness of Academia? Almost zero after I did my PhD in science.

    • @WildeMike49
      @WildeMike49 3 месяца назад +13

      What was your PhD about?

    • @Heyu7her3
      @Heyu7her3 3 месяца назад +2

      Lol I couldn't even make it halfway

    • @charlescrawford9972
      @charlescrawford9972 3 месяца назад +3

      So it's your fault!

    • @yeetyeet7070
      @yeetyeet7070 3 месяца назад +10

      that's a cool field, I love the field of "Science"

    • @CordeliaAurora
      @CordeliaAurora 3 месяца назад +9

      In science
      Majored in science
      At science class
      In science university 😂

  • @LanceHKW
    @LanceHKW 3 месяца назад +15

    In the past I could do research on any topic and feel informed. Now, unless my expertise is in the subject I'm unsure if I can trust what I am reading.

    • @bartrese
      @bartrese 3 месяца назад +2

      So true. It’s honestly sad

  • @user-kb6rl4nr8e
    @user-kb6rl4nr8e 3 месяца назад +17

    great job. economics field also follows similar practices. an lse professor re-run the tests for many famous economics papers and found data manipulation but i cant remember the title of his article.

    • @mariakamran7442
      @mariakamran7442 3 месяца назад +7

      Alvin Young's Paper CHANNELLING FISHER: RANDOMIZATION TESTS AND THE STATISTICAL INSIGNIFICANCE OF SEEMINGLY SIGNIFICANT EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS

  • @11Fl0oW11
    @11Fl0oW11 3 месяца назад +26

    Elsevier, OUP, Taylor&Francis etc. are publishers, not journals. Would be interesting how prestigious exactly the journals can be, bc. I reckon nobody would fall for a wrong author in high profile journals.

    • @davidbrook7623
      @davidbrook7623 3 месяца назад +7

      A large publishing house like Elsevier will have journals that vary widely in prestige

    • @Heyu7her3
      @Heyu7her3 3 месяца назад +2

      There's recently been a huge complaint or lawsuit against a few of the large publishers 🤔 I forget the details of it

    • @psyclotronxx3083
      @psyclotronxx3083 3 месяца назад

      Don't be so sure

    • @Agaporis12
      @Agaporis12 Месяц назад

      Reckon away. Only, nobody would believe a lie if they didn’t have confidence in the one who told it and considered themselves a good judge of character.

  • @sphakamisozondi
    @sphakamisozondi 3 месяца назад +24

    Publishing scientific papers on average 2-3 days, is not suspicious at all.

    • @KateeAngel
      @KateeAngel 3 месяца назад +4

      Meanwhile I can't write one for years 😂

    • @GoatBarn
      @GoatBarn 3 месяца назад +1

      If you live on the planet Venus...

    • @user-lt5no1xt1z
      @user-lt5no1xt1z 2 месяца назад

      It's actually possible if you have a bunch of PhD students and postdocs working for you , like maybe 10 postdocs. Some professors have that, but it might be close to 1 a week , not half that

    • @salganik
      @salganik Месяц назад

      @@user-lt5no1xt1z True, but not the case for Filippo Berto. His NTNU group was not that big or productive. Instead, he had a lot of sketchy collaborations resulting in 871 papers in 2018-2023. The danger of such publishing is that even if those bad papers are not cited, you can get a lot of self-citations from them.

  • @Zaguzah
    @Zaguzah 3 месяца назад +7

    10:47 LOL at the Paper Name Generator!™ 😂

    • @Heyu7her3
      @Heyu7her3 3 месяца назад +2

      I've pitched that concept before lol... like a "Research Paper MadLibs"

  • @gretalaube91
    @gretalaube91 3 месяца назад +24

    It took me THREE years to do enough worthwhile research to publish ONE good paper. That included coming up with the idea, experiments, and finding and keeping someone willing to let me do it. System busted. Yeah. ...1991 PhD EE graduate.

    • @lematindesmagiciens8764
      @lematindesmagiciens8764 3 месяца назад +8

      Personally, I cling to the belief that quality is not quantity. And remind myself of the original article by Watson and Crick that established the helicoidal structure of DNA that was barely one page long. Yes, I understand that life is very difficult for honest people in academia. Journals have to urgently step up their peer review process if they wish to retain any credibility.

  • @guard13007
    @guard13007 3 месяца назад +3

    I'm glad you're bringing attention to this problem.

  • @lucabonaccio
    @lucabonaccio 3 месяца назад +7

    As a molecular biology student im dead by the end of this video

  • @cea90
    @cea90 3 месяца назад +36

    I love your videos but damn 21% OF THIS VIDEO WAS AN AD!

    • @jake12466
      @jake12466 3 месяца назад +6

      THANK YOU, I was annoyed by that, too.

    • @jonathanbell5996
      @jonathanbell5996 3 месяца назад +2

      Dude has to pay his bills and it is free content, what do you expect?

    • @cea90
      @cea90 3 месяца назад +5

      @@jonathanbell5996 Well since my comment wasn't clear to you, I expect less than 21% of the video to be an advertisement.

    • @redactedbananas
      @redactedbananas 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@cea90How much did you pay for this video?

    • @paul-ie
      @paul-ie 2 месяца назад +1

      Holy shit you're not joking. I get that you want to monetise but that is taking the piss

  • @mikevincent6332
    @mikevincent6332 3 месяца назад +5

    "Follow the science" "Safe and effective" "Global boiling"

  • @souvikchakraborty3620
    @souvikchakraborty3620 3 месяца назад +3

    Please make a video on paper mill master from India, Abhijit Dey, assistant professor, Presidency University.

  • @lvt2050
    @lvt2050 3 месяца назад +4

    "So Journals step up!"
    Journals: "Wait, what? We need to actually work now? WTF can we outsource it to research community? "

  • @rogercroft3218
    @rogercroft3218 3 месяца назад +16

    Is he daft? Didn’t he think that people would notice someone writing papers at this rate?

    • @patrickchase5614
      @patrickchase5614 3 месяца назад +11

      He actually told people that he wanted to be the most published author in Europe.
      Part of the problem was that in Norway the school (which would be nominally responsible for policing him) received state money in proportion to the number of papers published, so they had an incentive to look the other way. Retraction Watch covered this.

    • @awuma
      @awuma 3 месяца назад +3

      @@patrickchase5614 This is points mania. Using a points system is simply a lazy bureaucratic way of evaluation researchers and institutions, not requiring expensive oversight by real experts.

    • @patrickchase5614
      @patrickchase5614 3 месяца назад +1

      @@awuma It's what I like to call "false objectivity'. Unfortunately it's extremely common the world over.

    • @EmpiricalPragmatist
      @EmpiricalPragmatist 3 месяца назад +1

      @@patrickchase5614 Goodheart's Law 101.

    • @patrickchase5614
      @patrickchase5614 3 месяца назад

      @@EmpiricalPragmatist Absolutely. You will get exactly what you measure and no more.

  • @MechMK1
    @MechMK1 3 месяца назад +7

    Tell me again, why do we need journals? What value do they provide again?

  • @Enhancedlies
    @Enhancedlies 3 месяца назад +7

    please don't stop!

  • @servicekid7453
    @servicekid7453 Месяц назад +1

    As a former academic i can tell you with 100% confidence that this sort of gaming of the system to obtain funding and tenure is widespread. I pointed this out repeatedly over several years and was ignored or worse, attacked. You should not trust the research base that is out there in the literature, nor should you trust academia to police itself or correct itself. The rot is deep in the roots and too many people have too much to lose.

  • @JuanEstrella-Martinez
    @JuanEstrella-Martinez 3 месяца назад +5

    Great camera setup but, mate, you need a better mic. Also when you mentioned the journals where these papers were published you named publishrs. Plenty of crap journals under those publishers.

    •  3 месяца назад +1

      Uhh yall audio bros are so petty... i can hear him just fine

  • @jayrollo1352
    @jayrollo1352 3 месяца назад +1

    Wow I had no idea about this. This looks so cool. 5k for an authorship placement on a good paper is awesome!!!

  • @JP-lz3vk
    @JP-lz3vk 3 месяца назад +4

    I want science to progress, to be as Carl Sagan put it "a candle in the dark". But academic publishing has no defenses against fraud when it has such a cosy relationship with academics who have massive motivation to push out poor or just outright fraudulent papers and peer review is hopeless to detect it. When was the last time peer review spotted fraud? The problem is the "star system" in academia that rewards productivity over everything else to advance careers.

    • @Heyu7her3
      @Heyu7her3 3 месяца назад +1

      It rewards prestige, name recognition/ branding, & the status quo

  • @CamCovello
    @CamCovello 3 месяца назад +7

    Pete I will literally send you a free microphone… please use a mic.

    • @CamCovello
      @CamCovello 3 месяца назад +2

      And thank you for another great video.

  • @Im-VT
    @Im-VT 3 месяца назад +6

    Comedy gold, love it. Keep the heat on these “researcher” goobers

  • @user-fe9dj6wq8e
    @user-fe9dj6wq8e 3 месяца назад +7

    (Don't mind me here frantically skipping back and forth because I just can't figure out if I'm in the Ground News sponsor segment now or not.)

  • @BernhardtBauer
    @BernhardtBauer 3 месяца назад +3

    As someone familiar with cytometry plots, you could've at least attempted to explain them, if you pulled them up. The statement you make is correct but "This is fake and I won't explain why" is not the scientific way of arguing your case.

    • @bartrese
      @bartrese 3 месяца назад +1

      Because he doesn’t know! If you’re familiar with them, like you are, you can look it up yourself. I understand your point but I personally feel as though it’s better to say, hey I’m not familiar with this so I’m not going to attempt to explain it to you

    • @BernhardtBauer
      @BernhardtBauer 3 месяца назад +2

      I see your point but here's my take: if you don't get it, don't cover it. If you do report on something, make sure you know what you are talking about. I don't think that's a wild take.

  • @craigbenz4835
    @craigbenz4835 3 месяца назад +3

    If publishing was less valuable to authors, then we would see less of this. Can it be made less valuable?

  • @whycantiremainanonymous8091
    @whycantiremainanonymous8091 3 месяца назад +1

    7:23: These are all publishers (all major for-profit publishers!), not journals.

    • @antarcticgekko
      @antarcticgekko Месяц назад

      Agreed. I'm a great fan of this channel, but its credibility would be enhanced if it used more accurate terminology.

  • @Diskretisierung
    @Diskretisierung 27 дней назад

    I did a Phd 10 years ago, at that time and still it is, papers are like cigarettes in jail. You have it you are somebody.
    So it is just a natural thing that the numbers of papers were skyrockening, and the peer review mechanism was losing quality.
    It bothers me why developments in science and also politics can be forseen very easily, but nobody is doing nothing at the right moment.

  • @ineedazerosuit6128
    @ineedazerosuit6128 3 месяца назад +1

    After looking at some of International Publishing's listings, it appears that they are now recruiting authors prior to submission. Many of the publication dates are not until 2025 or even 2026 in some cases. It makes me wonder if there are any companies that allow academics to pay to meaningfully participate on others' papers. As in, some data analysis or task is reserved for paying authors to do in order to defend against fraud allegations.

  • @RyanWalsh-qr6sd
    @RyanWalsh-qr6sd 3 месяца назад +2

    Could you provide info/blog link for Elizabeth Bik in the description

  • @EricAwful313
    @EricAwful313 3 месяца назад +1

    Cytometry plot is basically just the readout of a flow cytometer,

  • @OiOChaseOiO
    @OiOChaseOiO Месяц назад

    It would be nice to see a video on what academic institutions are doing to fix this problem.

  • @ponch851
    @ponch851 Месяц назад

    it's strange to see a familiar face in these videos, Berto was at the University of Padua when I was also a student in the faculty of engineering, I think he taught a course in machine design although I had a different professor.

  • @missl1775
    @missl1775 2 месяца назад

    I just submitted a paper for school - no original research, no new conclusions, just an undergrad literature review - and suddenly I'm wondering if what I wrote was based on solid research. Many of the papers came to similar or the same conclusions and sort of serve as a backup for each other, but if I'm just learning about this stuff, how am I supposed to be certain that all 12 (?) were legitimate? This is... Is there a career in doing research forensics? I'd like to channel my frustration, and I am decently good following things back to the source with knockoff products and random quotes. I wish a job like that wasn't necessary but if it's going to become a 21st century career, I might like to be involved.

  • @timguo6858
    @timguo6858 3 месяца назад

    I lean more on the second explanation because most journals have separate deadlines for the author list and final revision of the paper.

  • @WilhelmDrake
    @WilhelmDrake 3 месяца назад +8

    The journal system needs to be abolished.

  • @briant7265
    @briant7265 3 месяца назад +1

    There was an interview with one of the group that submitted ridiculous, made up research papers, and had several accepted before they were figured out. Their goal wasn't fraud, but rather to expose the lax standards of the journals. He said after a few submissions, he figured out a "formula" for getting a paper accepted, and a high success rate immediately followed.
    One paper was on something like observations of homosexual behavior of dogs at a dog park. Another was a translation of a section of Mein Kampf into a feminist tract.
    The journals need to publish just as badly as the academics need to be published.

  • @FlashMeterRed
    @FlashMeterRed 3 месяца назад +1

    That list was publishing groups not journals

  • @euchale
    @euchale 3 месяца назад

    I trained a image generation model on western blots out of interest and it worked surprisingly well. Scary times are truly ahead.

  • @hoi-polloi1863
    @hoi-polloi1863 3 месяца назад

    Listening to this, I'm drawn to this question: how *do* journals vet the papers which are submitted to them? Do they have a staff of experts to do a sanity check, are they counting the average syllable length of words, or...?

  • @albertyu750
    @albertyu750 Месяц назад

    Yeah, those flow cytometry dot plots look really sus. There is barely any stray cells and the cells are so perfectly clustered, almost like they're not cells...

  • @seongunness608
    @seongunness608 3 месяца назад +1

    do you think theres fraud in other types of writeups as well? eg:
    whitepapers,technical docs,industry reports,case studies, etc
    Im guessing there is but its not as bad cause of the nature of these other types of writeups

  • @Tassdo
    @Tassdo 3 месяца назад +2

    What you listed at around 7:21 was publishers, not journals. Even well known academic publishers have tons of crappy journals.

  • @camfree1076
    @camfree1076 3 месяца назад +1

    All of science papers need to go in the trash and it all needs to be redone properly without corporate corruption

  • @vladpetric7493
    @vladpetric7493 3 месяца назад

    One should train LLMS to detect similar papers (once you have a couple of them)

  • @maz3808
    @maz3808 3 месяца назад

    Similar to Hindawi. MDPI is very suspicious? It had been investigated in the past several times for shady and corrupted practices?

  • @hipsterbm5134
    @hipsterbm5134 3 месяца назад +290

    Over 20% of this video is an ad

    • @jake12466
      @jake12466 3 месяца назад +36

      Yeah that was annoying a.f.

    • @DrLowHouse
      @DrLowHouse 3 месяца назад +6

      This is why Rumble is much better than You"Goatse"Tube

    • @beenhog6922
      @beenhog6922 3 месяца назад +8

      I know its embarrassing

    • @tomatoflight
      @tomatoflight 3 месяца назад +29

      It's one sponsorship, you can skip through it if you want

    • @TimNei
      @TimNei 3 месяца назад +62

      I don't hate it. If it's a 2 minute ad every time, sometimes it's a 10 minute video, sometimes it's a 25 minute video. We need him to be able to keep this fight up and views just don't cut it. Obviously I wish it was shorter, but not hating as long as he isn't advertising a scam.

  • @user-gn2hg1ve7v
    @user-gn2hg1ve7v 3 месяца назад

    Pete is dropping truth bombs and bringing the receipts! Great channel.

  • @trottermalone379
    @trottermalone379 3 месяца назад +1

    Resuscitating the exposé. As valuable as anything on RUclips today.

  • @user-iz3el5iy9y
    @user-iz3el5iy9y Месяц назад

    Pete,
    Walters, Springer, etc. are not journals, they're publisher conglomerates

  • @captainsnake8515
    @captainsnake8515 3 месяца назад

    Interesting video, however you called Cambridge University Press and Springer Nature (among others) “journals” even though they’re not publishers.

  • @LordHonkInc
    @LordHonkInc 3 месяца назад +1

    So if every time I played Mad Libs in high school and used scientific terms instead of synonyms for penis I could've gotten published in a medical journal? Wack

  • @SubtleForces
    @SubtleForces 3 месяца назад

    I don't think you have nailed the root cause. Some people would never be tempted by evil and deceit because they are forthright, virtuous, bound by a feeling for justice and a courage to think for themselves, the fortitude to withstand temptation and the temperance needed to endure hardship. Others aren't. Why? That is the question that you need to ask yourself, however obvious it may seem to me

  • @inthefade
    @inthefade 3 месяца назад

    If people understood mimetics and perverse incentives we might be able to foresee and prevent these problems in the sciences. But people are averse to looking at unforseen consequences and will always create models and systems with the assumption that people will have good motives and behavior. A system will always evolve towards a maximal state if there are no corrective measures or checks and balances, and they have to be reviewed regularly.

  • @alejandramoreno6625
    @alejandramoreno6625 3 месяца назад

    Every week I get two or three e-mails from "publishers" asking me if I want to send specific papers to their journals. Papers that have already been published. I suppose people may change the title, re-arrange the abstract and publish a paper twice, and the "publishers" know this.

  • @dsolis7532
    @dsolis7532 3 месяца назад +1

    Bother, your videos are way more popular now. Can you fix the audio?

  • @profdc9501
    @profdc9501 3 месяца назад +1

    Why don't they just cut out the middleman and auction off the Nobel Prize?

  • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
    @user-vb3ly7ib4r 3 месяца назад +2

    How much of this is due to the public?
    Do we support ethical researchers?
    Seems like only the corrupt survive.

  • @notakirakarakaza2118
    @notakirakarakaza2118 3 месяца назад

    I believe International Publisher llc. has an office right next to Real Business Inc. and Dr. Scienence & Partners

  • @salganik
    @salganik Месяц назад +1

    Ex NTNU PhD here. In the introduction the professor working in Norway was mentioned with 2 papers per week. It was indeed a big scandal here. Yet, you immediately proceed to paper mills. With all my disrepect to that researcher, it is not scientific or ethical to connect these disconnected things.
    Filippo Berto has comparable amount of papers (274) than both paper mill schemes mentioned in this video. There is no any proof that any of his papers were published in such a way. Yet, there is a way easier explanation. A lot of big names are co-authors in nearly all papers in their labs. Imagine a strong group supervised by a leading professor. If you have 20-30 PhDs and postdocs publishing 2 first-author and 4 not-first author paper per year, it is already enough to have 2 paper per week. And contribution of such leader can also include things like: he developed a software many others are using, he published a valuable dataset used by many others, etc. Sometimes this is overused, like in Berto's case. But he is probably not using any paper mills, as many tens of his papers are cited over 100 times and they are all in the same field (material engineering).
    So, yes, it is not cool to co-author so many papers of people who are dependant on you (young career researchers) and cannot say no. Yet, it is also not cool to make a video falsely connecting two disconnected things.

    • @albertyu750
      @albertyu750 Месяц назад

      Very interesting, thanks for the share. I do agree, PIs strong-arming students into co-authorship is not a very moral or ethical thing to do.

  • @MrScientifictutor
    @MrScientifictutor 3 месяца назад

    Glad to see you using the scientific term " tippy top"

  • @lynlix1086
    @lynlix1086 3 месяца назад

    Those flow plots look INSANE

  • @stischer47
    @stischer47 3 месяца назад

    If you steal from one source, that's plagiarism. If you steal from many, that's research. Remember that PhD just means "Piled Higher and Deeper".

  • @killa3x
    @killa3x 3 месяца назад

    Damn. So Pete should we trust any journal?

  • @johnsimca7093
    @johnsimca7093 3 месяца назад

    Is the validity of the data necessarily compromised?

  • @eholmes9612
    @eholmes9612 2 месяца назад

    Great channel.

  •  20 дней назад

    I mean identical bargraph themes on their own would not be so supiscious. I guess many researchers use LaTex and use the defaults.

  • @Omar-sj7wl
    @Omar-sj7wl 2 месяца назад

    What do you do if you think that an author is participating in a paper mill?

  • @cinemaipswich4636
    @cinemaipswich4636 3 месяца назад

    Journals and Seminars are made for profit, even without corruption. Seminars are for high ranking public servants to have a free holiday, at the taxpayer's expense. From Local Administration staff to High Court Judges, seminars are a grift.

  • @RetroResearch
    @RetroResearch 3 месяца назад

    The problems with highlighting the bias of a publication are several. For instance, how are publications that assiduously avoid bias categorized? And how do we expose the bias of the auditor who assigns them a bias? A major problem facing independent publications over the past few years has been that if they do not adhere to the prevalent bias in the mainstream, they are labeled "extremist" or "far-right" over and above the objectons of the publications themselves. This is done explicitly to impugn the credibility of sources that may actually be intent on objectivity.
    Since it is can be difficult to ascertain the bias of the service that categorizes sources on the basis of bias, the ultimate value of such a service is suspect. One cannot know the motivations behind the categorizing of a specificn source according ro bias--nor should an intelligent adult simply trust such a service that purports to do so. Such a service can easily become a murky form of censorship and thought policing.
    The final problem with such a service is that it would tend to apply an ideological spectrum that may be irrelevant to the subject matter at hand. It would tend to have a kind of intellectually homogenizing effect that would ultimately distort the aims of pure inquiry.
    The presumptuous pairing of "left-leaning" and "high factuality" in this video should raise alarms, especially when contrasted with "right-leaning" and "low factuality". Twenty years ago, such obvious bias would have stood out as improper and even laughable. Intelligent people of any ideological persuasion would have avoided a service that espoused such heavy handed and flagrant biases. Today, this kind of thing is embraced. Very sad.

  • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
    @user-vb3ly7ib4r 3 месяца назад +2

    So what's the solution?
    Sounds like paying for an independent review or an independent lab to replicate it.

    • @kiarakalasnikov7505
      @kiarakalasnikov7505 3 месяца назад

      Idk that's undoable for anthropology studies. Perhaps checking how much each author knows about the study that they did? Including how the study can connect to other studies

    • @user-cg9uf1mu2z
      @user-cg9uf1mu2z Месяц назад

      Solution is to drive money earnings out of science. Nowdays the more scientist producing papers the more money he gets. So scientist have to release papers no matter what.
      But how to do it is separate question, which I can't answer.

    • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
      @user-vb3ly7ib4r Месяц назад

      @@user-cg9uf1mu2z you could have them get money by replicating science and peer reviewing.
      We could insure scientists and their work and if someone finds dishonesty, pay out to claim

  • @RJKYEG
    @RJKYEG 3 месяца назад

    In addition to all this phoney stuff, many "legitimate" papers, despite peer review, have substantial flaws or get wildly misconstrued by later works by other "scholars".

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 3 месяца назад

    Currency is the currency of the age, even in Academia.

  • @misslayer999
    @misslayer999 3 месяца назад

    You know all those "journals" you listed (Elsevier, Springer, ect) are not journals, they're publishing companies. Not exactly the same thing.

  • @TheJhtlag
    @TheJhtlag Месяц назад

    So, I could go out and spend $1000 and get my name as an author on a paper? This sounds like fun. I actually sympathize with the Chinese medical students, buying a paper seems like the correct answer for getting through the bureaucratic morass and getting on to what they aspire to do: heal patients.

  • @bingbong-yn6yg
    @bingbong-yn6yg 3 месяца назад

    you make realy good videos , keep it up :)

  • @kagitsune
    @kagitsune 2 месяца назад

    The solution isn't going to come from the publishers, they're famously the most greedy of all. We're going to have to do this together, or else that last 20+ years of research output is suspect. 😬

  • @user-vo5og6zq6s
    @user-vo5og6zq6s Месяц назад

    You ought to start looking at all the global warming papers out there, starting with Michael Mann and his "hockey stick." I believe we're at a tipping point where the issue of climate change will wither away, being as it is nothing but ideology over genuine science.

  • @GoatBarn
    @GoatBarn 3 месяца назад

    Berto's undermining the term Doctor of Philosophy and reaffirming that his academic title of "Ph.D." truly meant Piled High and Deep.

  • @mystrength5640
    @mystrength5640 3 месяца назад

    WHAT’s happened to Integrity? 😮

  • @mantasr
    @mantasr Месяц назад

    Ask me anything about flow cytometry.
    Those looked like a bunch of negative expressions.

  • @Neozio
    @Neozio 3 месяца назад

    1:19 it's also very easy to buy a college degree in any field today.
    What was so crazy one of the whistleblowers that came out in 2021 was told by the authorities basically why you even messing with this don't even worry about it!!

  • @gizald
    @gizald 3 месяца назад

    Honestly, the Russian paper mill is not that different from how 'legitimate' authorship is determined. The real ethical violation is that the other authors weren't informed. Frankly, I would prefer to give Dr. Moneybags an authorship spot over Dr. I-Work-Down-The-Hall-But-I-sleep-With-The-Dean.

  • @darsshanm5335
    @darsshanm5335 3 месяца назад

    Video starts are 3:25

  • @Nathannbo
    @Nathannbo 3 месяца назад +8

    This is the problem with end stage capitalism. Money is more important than the truth or due diligence to many people.

    • @useodyseeorbitchute9450
      @useodyseeorbitchute9450 3 месяца назад

      Well, this whole game is created by government money and incentive structures, so it's not a capitalism but a form of socialism..