The bottom line doesn't matter if you're left or right. If you're in the military, that doesn't give you a right to embellish or fabricate Now they're saying it's okay to embellish and fabricate, and because you were in the military, nobody should say anything about it. You don't get a free pass on that one. Nobody does
I know I’ve changed alot since 2016 but I cannot believe how biased the news is. It really is entirely negative towards Trump/vance and excuses and deflecting towards Harris/walz. It’s astonishing. Has it always been this bad? Was I that brainwashed too?
Uh, excuse me, but Walz wasn't telling a phony story about bivouacking under fire in a helicopter landing as Hillary did., He wasn't telling a story about a combat mission he never went on. He was using "in war' to mean "for the purpose of war" which is an acceptable grammatical practice and shows no signs of deception or examples of 'stolen valor'. Those claims are ludicrous to anyone who has a reasonable grasp of the English language.
@@PrinceBlake saying "we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place where those weapons are at" isn't deceptive? That is basically saying I went to war. I don't care how you sugarcoat it, it's a bullshit line he said to gain a political advantage. Here is a video of him saying that and it's less than two minutes. ruclips.net/video/ioKhfz6xUE4/видео.html&ab_channel=NewYorkPost
National Guard protects the U .S. at home. I respect Walz for his 24 year service. Vance isn't cool in my book for disrespecting Walz. Vance is clearly a bully and a dumbass at the same time 😂😂😂😂
@RG-vc9nn how is calling him out for lying disrespecting him? No one is bashing his service, anyone who served deserves respect. Were bashing the fact he lied about it for political gain. 2 completely different things
not only that but lied about his rank. He was demoted from command sergeant major to master sergeant because he did not do 2 years which was required if you wanted to keep it but still after that he had the audacity to use that rank that he lost in his challenge coin and many times claimed him self he was still CSM!
GOVERNOR WALTZ WILL WIN THIS DEBATE FROM THIS CREEP WHO WILL SAY AND DO WHATEVER HE CAN DO! AFTER 24 YEARS IN THE MILITARY WALTZ DESERVED TO RETIRE! VANCE IS A CREEP AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE BUT HIMSELF!
@@BornAtheist Wow, you are delusional. Don't think JD has a problem prosecuting a debate against Walz's with his JD from Yale. Quite simple "So, tell me what battle or war did you go ? And, so why since 2006 did you claim to retire at a MN National Guard rank which was not accurate ?" Even the elite Kamala, with her liberal Professor parents, would look child like compared to JD.
I went to Iraq for this deployment with the Minnesota 1st Brigade, 34th Division. I spent 15 months of my life away from my wife and family in Iraq having mortars and rockets dropped on our base daily. I drove down IED riddled roads regularly and had friends ripped apart, burned and shot at. When you are a leader you go to war with your unit when called. A commander or CSM/1SG does not retire when notified of a deployment and abandon his unit. This is shameful for Walz and veterans should understand this. 1. He abandoned his unit when notified of an impending deployment to a dangerous place. 2. He claims he retired as a Command Sargent Major (E-9). He did not. He quit CSM school and was reduced to Master Sargent (E-8)for retirement. 3. He claimed he carried "weapons of war" when talking about gun control. He was never in a combat zone. I applaud his 24 years of service, but you do not lie or embellish your record and you do not betray your soldiers. Also, don't say you retired to "serve" in congress. The men and women who went on this deployment served their country. Going to congress is mostly self serving.
1. He did not abandon his unit when notified of deployment. He put forth his retirement a year before deployment announcement, and retired 2 months before his unit received deployment announcement. 2. His rank was never reduced, even if he didn’t complete, it was never reduced. 3. He carried the weapons of war he is speaking about, the national guard protects our land. 4. He served on the veterans committee in Congress and accomplished much for them. 5. He pushed against the Iraq war in congress, one YOU never should’ve been deployed to, one that was created PURELY for the profit of the VP’s own construction firm.
@@sneakyskillz2482 he 100% abandoned his unit. He was not slated for retirment at the time, as SOON as he got the go ahead for deployment he retired. He is a con artist and has preached stolen valor for years. Just the fact he said he deployed and yet did not should already be enough for you to dismiss him. The fact you defend him like a bot is deplorable.
@@Quasar-fv8to stolen valor twitter accounts have come out in swaths to say Walz does not have stolen valor. I trust veterans who do this for a living more than you.
Trump has no valor that can be stolen. Nobody has ever been able to and nobody will ever be able to steal Trump's valor. Nobody does valorless like Trump.....
retirement has to be started one year out...source: I am retired US Army myself. Now: making light of anyones service is just out of line. I don't care if you were in a combat unit or not, the fact that you served is all I need to know. Shame on anyone who disparages anyone's service.
Walz served almost 5 years beyond the minimum retirement stipulation. No one has a right to question why he retired when he did. No one. That was a very silly and inappropriate question.
Vance agreed to go as part of his deal to become Command Sergeant Major. Because he violated that agreement to go with his unit to combat, he was stripped of his rank,and retired as Master Sergeant. He shouldn't have said he carried weapons in combat. Why didn't he walk that statement back the next day, instead of letting it stand? BTW, a number of his men were very disappointed that he didn't join them in-theater.
@@bullwinkle60 Well Bullwinkle, you just described Vance to a T. Great job! I'd comment on the remainder, but I'm too busy laughing. No one ever accused maga of being smart. Lmao!
@@Jahnink he didn’t want to go to Iraq with his men…. Why doesn’t he just say it ….like he loves the smelll of burning tyres and looting in the morning
@@richardscott9973 there is no debate on whether these two men were trained to be soldiers, they were but the issue is that Walz claimed to have been in a war when he in fact wasn’t. Vance at the least was deployed and did not deny what his role in the Marines was.
@@richardscott9973 Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
Im a Veteran of the British Forces. I served in Cyprus during the 1st Gulf War. I have total respect for those who fought on the front line but aware that those who did know I would have done and our positions could easily have been reversed if the military had decided such. I will always be aware of those who have given the ultimate sacrifice and others who by chance were never under fire. All have served and there is no doubt that if chosen to go.. we go. I have total respect for Walz’s military record and anyone else who has served.
Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
good to have someone who knows what it is to be part of such a situation. I think the title Marine is questionable. Real Marines are the elite force and would never ever fold on any other Marine, no matter what is in play. So Vance is the ultimate looser, the guy you could not stand but somehow dodged every challange. He never faced real war, just turned up for a free bottle of water and the allocated chocolate bar.
Oh, so you think it's OK that he applied for a rank for which HE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE when he "retired". He also wasted taxpayer dollars on training by signing a contract that GE NEVER FULFILLED. The most despicable thing is that he got busted down in rank to an E-8 because of his LIES. How can you support this man? Oh, I know. You're a foreigner who doesn't know JACK about the US military or HONORABLE service. Great job swallowing the FAKE News narrative!
Stolen Valor fact: Walz retired as a master sergeant, an E-8. He says he retired as a command sergeant major, an E-9. He lied about his retirement rank often including while in Congress in 2009.
No. He held a CSM billet as his final duty assignment. He was downgraded to MSG for retirement due to not having completed a SGM/CSM-required training course.
@@robertsmentkowski312 I really don’t give a fuck what he retired as! The important stuff is what he did when he was in the service and I’m thinking a combat reporter who has never seen combat should shut to fuck up about someone else’s valor!
@@bripeck you are incorrect. Walz lied repeatedly over many years, including while in Congress. Walz said he was in a combat zone. He never was while Vance was in a combat zone. Vance never lied. Integrity is paramount. West Point’s motto is “duty honor country”. West Point Is the standard for the army. Waltz has no honor.
@@bripeck I've been to multiple combat zones and Walz claims to have been to one, when he's actually only been deployed to Italy...There is no need to lie about ones service, that alone should be honorable, but we have a problem with some veterans who like to embellish their service and what they've actually done because they don't feel proud enough for what they did or to gain the system.
I think the key points here are; 1) Walz filed to run for congress in February...showing he was moving into retirement. 2) Military retirement needs to be started 1 year out from the retirement date..so he had to have started the process in May of the previous year., 3) He retired before the unit received orders to deploy.
Well that's where you're wrong. There were a number of guardsmen working at the factory where I was working when they got called up to go to Iraq. They weren't young men, one was a grandfather. One poor guy was just two weeks from finishing his enlistment, but he went anyway and did his duty. Walz should at least explain why he refused to do the same.
Vance served as a correspondent for 4 years and was deployed to Iraq for 6 months back in a safe place to comment on the war. Walz was in the National Guard for 24 years and worked his way up the ranks. He was sent to Italy in support of Afganistan but didn't see combat either. They both served and got out. I'm not here to attack either for their service. Don Old on the other hand dodged his service 5 times for "bone spurs". He attacks Veterans all the time as losers and suckers. We can't let ConOld back in the WhiteHouse ever again!
@@dixonmopar2129 this coming from the party that gave us "woke," "snowflake," "libtards," and too many more to mention. The right has become the party of meme politics. That's all they do now, spew hatred and meme taking points. No serious ideas for governing. You don't like the term "weird" because you know it's true. Calling Tim's 24 years of service "stolen valor?" Just a bunch of monkeys throwing poop.
Now this is really becoming crazy the whole point of service in the military is the fact that you served Vance is running with a man who ducked the draft for Vietnam and yet he's trying to shame a man that actually served and also being a serviceman myself you don't know when you're going to be deployed especially within 2 months.
@@promeitheusactually his unit has already come out and said he abandoned them after his unit was ordered to go to Iraq. The man retired early to avoid going to combat. He claimed he was in combat. He lied about his service.
Walz LIED 16 times on video about being a "retired Command Sergeant Major"...that's a big LIE. So's claiming to have carried a gun in a war. Oh, and ANYONE who served a 4 year enlistment in the active-duty Army (like JD and I have) served a LOT more active duty time than weekend Timmy did at 38 days a year.
JD Vance was a military journalist. Not exactly the stuff of legends. The fact is that there are many non-combatant roles in a modern army and you go to where you are assigned. JD Vance has no class.
@@TheUMIA They get paid the same. The fact that you are even comparing sticks to how people serve is a disgrace. Regardless if your on active duty, reserves, or National Guard, you served your country just like anybody else. You can serve your country honorably without being deployed or seeing combat. There is no hierarchy of importance. Anyone in the military will tell you to shut up.
Despicable. This is so revealing about the character differences between Vance and Walz. Vance blatantly lies in order to attack a fellow vet, while Walz responded by thanking him for his service
Seriously! Why should a Marine like Vance,who actually was in Iraq with his unit, say ANYTHING about a guy who quit on his unit before they were deployed to Iraq but then tells people he fought in Iraq??
Actually Harris and Vance should except the Debate with Dishonest Fox under the Condition that Each Response gets Factchecked and the word 'True Or False ' appears on our TV Screens. They will DESTROY Trump and Vance!😮
Vance, come on, dude... What is up with right attacking people who have served? Donald with John McCain and now Vance with Walz. I'm a veteran, and I'm sick of this.
@@cathyadams7288 VANCE: "I WAS LUCKY TO ESCAPE ANY REAL COMBAT" TO ATTACK A MAN WHO GAVE HIS COUNTRY 24 YEARS!!!!! A VOTE FOR TRUMP IS A VOTE FOR PUTIN. WE ARE NEVER GOING BACK!
@@ktaylor5047 9 Trillion Dollar Public Monopoly plus MSM vs the Working Stiff. We have elections to chose Leaders not Leaders to chose elections. I am sick and tired (retired service plumber) of No Borders, No Natural Resources and Group Identity by 57 Million (retired and current) government union/pension workers who add NOTHING to IRS income revenue with tax paid paychecks.
You're right about that but you forgot his brain is chewing gum from helping with burn pits. Surely Vance found medical reasons to stay away from them, he's a liar and a cheat, just like his boss is.
First off he never carried no weapons of war in war second off weapons used in war are not on our streets maybe you should learn the difference between fully auto and semi auto
@@ghos7fiction I'm honestly living for the Tampon Tim nickname. Not only is it lowkey endearing af, and doing the complete opposite of what Walz's naysayers wanted.
Let the trolling begin 😂 Vance forgot in his book he said he was lucky to escape any REAL fighting. He also forgot Walz retired in May and his unit deployed in July 😂
actually I believe the unit deployed after July....the orders were received in July, but there is a lot of prep that goes into a deployment of this type....I would guess + 6 months or so
People forget there’s a quote they follow which has been stated over and over for these school shootings which is probably what he was referring to since they had signs with it even that day for both the survivors and gun rights. People forget that he is pro gun rights & has trained thousands of people how to handle them. He was stationed in Italy, left his wife & family and served 24 years. The other guy follows Trump who lied saying he served then when fact checked he literally ran away like a lil bish 5 times. I would have never brought up this topic when the person you’re attacking is more advanced at combat than you and the person you are signed up under is an embarrassment to the military. “Life is like a war. There will always be people trying to shoot you down. But it's your choice whether you're going to surrender, fight back, or dodge the bullet”
And also the clip of Tim Walz started before he said the sentence about weapons in war and stopped immediately afterwards. It is always suspicious if you have so tight video cutting! Show at least a minute of it, or you can assume it is completely out of context. (like the quote about the 25 feet ladder business if the wall is build 20 feet high.)
The irony that both of these guys should proudly stand by their respective records, but Vance (if indeed that is his name) now cheapens any valour by playing “who played solider better”. Pathetic.
@@RinseRepeatEat and by they way...Vance has never been up front and honest. Not sorry to see him go here in Ohio. And he can take his eyeliner pencil with him.
@@muddywater4505 neither of them did, doesn't cheapen their service. Vance is a clown for making this an election issue - not a single democrat has denigrated Vance's service.
The question should be, why has he changed his name three times? Did he commits crime, does he owe money, was he married before??? I think a lot of people would like to know.
@@overcome5193I think it is… why is the VP’s race anyone’s business? She’s an American, so why is that an issue? I see a lot of flip floppin when it’s against republicans
@@hmminteresting22 Its true you muppet. He didn't complete the Sergeant Major Academy as he quit before the war and deployment to Iraq. So facts hurt your feelings and not true? hahahaha
He may have been a Temporary SM but his discharge papers say he was a MS. He also never signed his discharge papers. If he had a problem before he left, he should have gotten it corrected. Now lying about your actual rank is dubious at best. Most Veterans consider that Stolen Valor.
Walz served while his country was at war, including Afghanistan and the Gulf War. He said he carried a weapon in war, not to the war, not to the battlefield. Serving by training is still serving. Unlike Trump and his alleged heel spurs, or Trump's grandfather who came to the US to avoid conscription. What weapon did Vance carry? A pen?
Samantics games will not change anything! But remember your inability to stand for what is right the next time you venture signal and thank a Veteran for their service. Keep your hollow gratitude. We do not want it.
Willie Brown was 60 and Kammie was 29, she called him Daddy but he preferred Master. Most of the time she couldn't say either, her mouth was full. That's how a young ding bat gets ahead, by giving head.
Was not getting VD or somthing like that Donnies self proclaimed "Vietnam". Some dummy veteran gave Donnie his purple heart and donnie said something like I always wanted one of these. I am sure he now shows it around saying he earned it.
I think the charge of stolen valor needs more than one instance of misspeaking. JD Vance truly is Trump's number 2. Seems like an accusation that just reminds everyone Trump didn't go to Vietnam.
There is more than one instance. To be charged with Stolen Valor, he must have profited from such. Which he did since he used it for political purposes. Any District should charge him. And its easy to convict.
@@lawrenceleverton7426 There is certainly more than one instance of Republicans lying to smear a veteran. Is that stolen valor? You seem to be such an expert.
Walz abandoned his people of Minnesota too during the G Floyd riots. He let the city burn to the ground and black owned business's were destroyed. He allowed police precincts to be over run with thugs. This country will be like Fort Apache!!
@@Antonio_saiddd Yeh, how dare he serve his country as a weekend warrior while he did the useless job of being a teacher! Thank god Vance came home and did the important job of venture capitalists. Where would we be without those blessed venture capitalists?
@@Antonio_saiddd 24 years of being available to be deployed anywhere anytime. National Guard get deployed more than most active duty military units, and due to their length of service are often better trained and show more teamwork than a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds. Correction: Vance = 4 year news reporter who passed basic and MCT, 6 months newspaper writer in Iraq.
It’s pretty simple. It’s Stolen Valor. There have been too many instances where he said himself and let others embellish his actions. It’s people from his own unit that brought this up years ago not just Vance.
So the truth about walz doesn’t matter? Is cnn going to be unbiased and dig a little into walz’s history. The answer is no. Cnn will lie and the viewers will become uninformed voters. This shouldn’t not be allowed since I’m sad to say cnn is an accredited news outlet.
Air Force veteran here of 12 years. It's not mentioned enough that everyone in the military has combat roles. I was an aircraft mechanic. This doesn't mean your service has less impact or value. All jobs in the military work together for one purpose. Both candidates served , by all current accounts, honorably. Both can be thanked and honored for their service regardless of time or function in the military.
Agreed. But I was a 6yr contract corporal, that left due to health issues as a PFC. i was an air winger that was deployed to Gitmo to do classified radar/radio work. I wouldn’t come home and say I was black site veteran corporal, even though I was contracted to be. I was a PFC. nothing gives me the right to embellish that record. It’s like coming home from WWII and sitting next to a vet with shrapnel scars on his face and body and showing off a Purple Heart, you know because I cut off my finger on kitchen duty. Equally as important during war, but there is a time and a place and I’m sick of people who lie about and over embellish their military service. To be clear, a year later was desert storm and I was disappointed, I wouldn’t be there!
Our veterans deserve our respect. Armies are made up of hundreds of troops with various skill sets. Combined and trained, they become a cohesive force.
@@sirenknight8007?. He didn't embellish. People have to learn to listen and understand. He used 'weapons of war'. Not he used weapons in the war. Plain english. Talk about twisting words around.?
@@Alltypzthat didn’t work in 2020, it didn’t work in 2022, why do you think it’s going to work in 2024? Go look up that famous Einstein quote about repeating the same thing and expecting different results.
Actually he held a CSM Billet in his reserve unit as its Command Sergeant Major. However, by the time he had dropped his retirement packet he had not required the requisite training course for his rank and was downgraded to MSG as his promotion rank in accordance with Army regulations.
I'm a veteran and JD Vance doesn't know what stolen valor is! It has a very specific meaning and Vance himself never saw combat! This is lame and makes me want to vote for Harris& Walz even more. JD Vance is a tool!
JD Vance actually served in a Combat Zone. That is a fact. And I'm a Retired Veteran and I disagree with your assertion. It is Stolen Valor. And for any Veteran not to think so is kinda odd.
@@lawrenceleverton7426 JD Vance served in a non combat role. Sure he was in country but your assertion that this is stolen valor is pretty out there! You are reaching and JD Vance is reaching. This is out of La Civita's playbook and it's not going to fly! By the way how could you support a president who called WW2 vets Suckers & Losers? Bone spurs is a disgrace and a chicken hawk and Vance's service is hardly heroic!
That's what I was thinking, the guy was in his 40s and expecting another child on the way. He was a grown man with a family that served 24 years, he had every right to quit and do something else with his life. Vance was a 19 or 20 year old, completely different situations.
Megyn Kelly's podcast or youtube video - take a look, she interviews 4 veterans who knew Walz and served with him who confirm that Walz claimed the title of Retired Master Command Sergeant or allowed himself to be introduced as such without correction even though he is not entitled to claim that rank and after being informed that he was not entitled to that rank. He also told at least one of these veterans who was also a sergeant that he would be shipping out with his unit to Iraq and then didn't. Walz is a liar and a political opportunist.
At least Vance actually went to Iraq, instead of lying like Walz! Walz claims he carried weapons in war. He quit when he found out his unit was getting ready to go to Iraq!!!😮
@rogersmith7808 In today's U.S. military, a 6-month deployment or more allows a servicemen the label of "veteran". So, he is correct, Vance is a veteran. He never said he was a combat vet - that's different. But, objectively speaking, he's definitely a Marine Veteran.
After 20 years or x points you can hand in your paperwork whenever you think you’re ready. Had Vance served instead of just serving himself he’d know that. There’s many reasons to leave. For instance, you’re simply ready to move on and enjoy retirement or there’s no advancement available, or to serve in office. There’s many reasons of which Shady will never know because he’s never served long enough to know somebody that actually retired. And fyi combat correspondents report combat. They don’t engage in combat. Often aren’t even armed for battle. That’s why he’s throwing SHADE.
There are many reasons to leave. Collecting pay for weekends in the National Guard was great. But the minute they asked him to serve in Iraq he quit. Pretty simple even for people like you. Want to talk about the lies Walz told about being in a combat zone or his official rank? Deflect all you want, this isnt about Vance, and Vance didnt lie about his service. I realize that you Libs dont like Vets, but every single actual Vet I know is disgusted with Walz.
@regu6582 I have bone spurs in my feet. What's your point. They are excruciating and limit my ability to do things that you may take for granted. Walk a mile in my shoes.
@@lawrenceleverton7426which is disgusting, considering Vance will turn his back on them day 1, and pull back countless Biden initiatives that help veterans… and Walz was on the veterans affairs committee…. He would instantly help them more if he was in office. Funny how the republicans can screw the people they claim to care about the most.
I usually don't comment on stuff like this but I served in the same time when walz served and I can't say he was lying about stolen valor, but then I can't say he was telling the truth. When we deployed to Iraq we had bombs and mortars dropping by us weekly and it was the scariest time of my life. I witnessed soldiers get their feet blown off in front of my face and i have nightmares about it regularly😢. Walz was not in our unit but he actually stayed back for administrative desk work from what I understand. But there was a time during basic training he was involved in sniper week and there was a competition shooting in M4A sniper rifle and he actually came in first place and was a true leader and everyone respected him after that, despite being an administrator. I never understood why he bailed from going to Iraq and claimed he had other things to do. But one thing I can attest to is my son was on his State championship football team and he was such an excellent coach and cared for everybody on the team, always called plays that involved everyone's involvement to win, and not a single individual type of play. The best part, is this entire comment was made up and total bullshit and I just wanted to waste everyone's time reading it.
Dear Governor Walz, The 24 years of service to your country is very much appreciated regardless of your rank and deployment. I am certain you carried guns and ammunition one way or another during your service, whether in training or in combat matters not to me because you are here today still fighting for your country and the American dream. I salute you and all the veterans. Thank you for your service! Sincerely Yours, A Veteran's wife
Vance was deployed to Iraq, and Walz retired before Iraq. Vance has never stated anything than what he did whereas Walz straight up lied to your face because he must think he voters are stupid and wouldn't fact check it.
That MAGA VP candidate is attacking first Women with Cats. Now, that six months serving "office chair soldier" attacks a 24 years servicing veteran. What a fool.
Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
*The left wing media propagandists are **_PANICKING_** to try and cover for Tim Walz stolen valor. Too bad there is too much video evidence and documentation for them to lie their way out of:* *A Video from 2009 shows a veteran confronting Tim Walz’s staff over claims that he served in Afghanistan. The veteran said Walz could go to jail for violating the Stolen Valor Act of 2006, for claiming to have served in Afghanistan, when he did not... Beyond pathetic.* *Meanwhile, JD Vance is keeping up the fight for the working-class citizen.*
Vance has a skewed understanding of the military and the military mindset. First, Vance achieved the rank of corporal (E4), while Walz achieved the rank of Command Sargent Major (acting)/Master Sargent (both E9), the highest enlisted ranking. Second, Vance served for 4 years, while Walz served for 24 years (6 times greater). Third, Vance has difficulty understanding it is not where you serve, but how you serve that’s important. You serve where needed and follow orders. In summary, until Vance learns about service to America at all levels he will continue to not be ready to serve America in any capacity, including his current position as Senator from Ohio.
@@steveallen3434 …Your question is valid and I do not have a reply, so I suggest contacting the relevant news sources in Ohio to determine how to provide you an answer.
Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
This is absolutely wrong. He claimed he served in war as well as he claimed he retired as CSM and still til this day as I type this, Walz has CSM title on his MN Government website. That is Stolen Valor and I'm going to file charges my damn self. You're not going to say multiple times you retired as CSM when you never met the qualifications, and even after the military told you, sorry you'll be retiring as MSG you still state you hold that rank. Nope lies all fkn lies and no one in the military ever in the history of all time has said it's OK to claim you earned a rank or title or position without actually earning it.
I agree 100%. I would also add a weekend warriors 24 year service is not the same as active duty. Active duty is 24/7 service for term of contract. Active duty is first to be called and the most notice you might get for deployment may only be 24 hrs.
@jack8230 Correct, I was NG for my first 2 years but switched to the Reserves so I could deploy more. I did 4 deployments and loved every minute of it, but for anyone to cheapen anyone that deployed or say they did when they didn't, yea, you have another thing coming. All these people saying Vance was a paper boy....yea a paper boy in Iraq you fkn psychos. Same as the mail clerk, same as the accountant that handed me money from my Eagle cash card....they were in combat none the less. Did I look down on people that didn't go outside the wire, hell yes, but I also will fight anyone that never did deploy talk down to them as well. They're still equals. They just got a better hand in the deck of cards.
Don't forget, he's a Democrat.... lying is what they do!! But, in his case, he also crossed a line when he lied about his military service! He has no honor!!
Don't be so easily blinded by partisan politics. This is not a gray area. Being a combat veteran is binary - and it is not a question of whether a servicemember engaged with the enemy (or how "intense" it was) while they were deployed to an active combat zone... it is a question of whether they actually deployed to an active combat zone. Any veteran (or servicemember) saying otherwise is simply mistaken... or has an integrity problem. Either way, they are misleading people. Don't be so easily fooled.
DMD Vance was in Iraq and said,I drink DietMountainDew 300 yards from people who are trained to bring me situation reports"Real veterans who saw combat don't go on about it all the time.
If you listen to what Gov Watz said about his hearing, he was already identified by the Army as none deployable. That is the reason why the Army was putting him through the Medical Review Board. He also submitted his retirement, so there was no Stop Lost in place. The Army already considered him a loss. Gov Watz was in Combat Arms that means he was in the front line offense and defense. Gov Watz also served 24years. Vance on the other hand was Civil Affairs that means the situation was stabilizing and didn’t retire. Gov Watz passed bills helping veterans. What did Vance do for Veterans nothing.
Funny to hear a man with no valor cast judgement on another. I would rather vote for a teacher than a complainer. Like it told his young son, JD why don’t you “Shut the hell up!”
Gov. Walz lied about his military record for years! The NY Post reported on Walz' claiming he was in combat while talking to a Minn. gun group: *“We can research the impacts of gun violence. We can make sure those weapons of war, that I carried in war, are only carried in war,”* But Walz was never deployed to a combat zone! Walz also lied about retiring a Command Sgt. Major. FOX interviewed one of Walz' fellow soldiers who was in Walz' unit and actually was a Command Sgt. Major. He said Walz never completed the two-year program requirement and therefore is really a master sergeant! He said he was offended by Walz’ misrepresentation of his rank.
Donald Trump lies and Vance lies 24/7. So what's your point? The real Americans are voting blue up and down the ticket no matter who. Plain and simple.
She just misquoted him. He said "We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried.. In war is the only place that those weapons are at." Vance is a liar. He lies about being straight. He's Peter Theil's fwb.
@@MusikCassette why do you say Vance lied? Can you explain. Walz said he carried weapons in war. Also officially said he held rank of E9 sargaent major he never did. He was a master sargaent and has since changed it.
@@RF413-d6qhe did achieve the rank of Command Sergeant Major. That’s beyond dispute. He couldn’t retire as a CSM so was demoted for retirement purposes. His rank was CSM when he retired so he did retire as a CSM. Not that hard to understand.
@@michaelsnyder6922you democrats are so angry. Your party hasnt been this angry since the first Republican President Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.
Shame on Shady Vance. My father did his duty but opted out before his unit was deployed to Vietnam. He had two babies and a 3rd on the way. Shady didn't do any combat time - he was in a freaking PR unit!!
He could, but he didn't, because your old man was a coward. My dad was the only remaining son out of 6 daughters in his family, and had a baby on the way, and he still went to war. What Walz and your chickenshit Dad had in common is that when the call came up for them to fight, they turned the other way. Wars are not only fought by childless men.
You're dad was just like Walz, he found an excuse to run. COWARDS, THE BOTH OF THEM!!!! ABSOLUTE COWARDS.. I hope this helps you in some way Mary to see that..
@@ThomasRobinson-k9k and you and waltz are armed with a tampon and a windowless white van outside an elementary school in the USA. Combat veteran vs Coward. Easy choice for both of us i know it's what you are.
Why did Walz vote against Trumps bill for veterans??? Because it was Trumps bill!!!! Ask Minnesota State about taxes in that state and why people are leaving that state.
The fact is Walz did everything he could to keep from going to the Middle East. he ended up going to Italy where he worked at shipping to soldiers that were actually over there fighting. The man's a liar
He lied for 20 years but the only quote you find is him saying “that I carried in war” and was clearly used to reference that whilst he likes those kinds of guns there’s no need for them
In everyday terms, he had probationary employment. He had to graduate from a two year school, the Sergeant Major Academy. After graduating, he had to serve an additional two years. Once those two years were done, he could have retired as a CSM. He failed to graduate and terminated his contract prior to serving his mandatory two years as stated in his contract. Think of it as a guy in med school who didn't finish his last year or do his residency. Then goes around calling himself a doctor.
@@lanefunai4714awful take, more like someone who has been a doctor for 20 years claiming they’ve been a doctor for 22. Forgetting they took a gap year or something of the sorts. What I’m saying is you republicans love to exaggerate when the general American thabks him for his service and doesn’t care about his rank you claim is fake, just like someone wouldn’t care if a doctor says they’ve been one for 22 vs 20 years. Snowflakes. It’s what you guys have become.
@@sneakyskillz2482 he was acting Sergeant Major when he decided that he didn't want to deploy. He terminated his contract two years early, and as a result of failing to fulfill his service obligation, he retired as a Master Sergeant.
As a Vietnam vet, who served 69-70, Walz was in the National Guard honorably for 24 years, it does not matter if he did was or combat or not, many do not, he gave service to this Country, as all of us have
Thank you for your service. It sucks to see such desperate attacks against people who served their country honorably. Especially when they are voting for Trump, who literally served his country in one of the most dishonorable fashions ever recorded.
@@idowrk8682 Trump called veterans losers and suckers, is a convicted felon, and lies every day. Stop clutching your pearls over a snippet taken out of context. Walz trained with weapons of war and deployed for his country. When did Trump deploy?
@@idowrk8682 ummmmm he was definitely in OEF which ran from 2001-2014🤦🏾♀️ ANYWAY who served during this time is an OEF vet, so I’m not sure what you are getting at. IF you served like we did then you would know that.
So how can you be a marine and carry yourself like Vance. I would of never thought Vance was in the marines. I know lots of marines and they wouldn’t be caught dead kissing another man’s behind!
Let's look at simple math. Walz was in the national guard for 24 years (only needed 20 for full retirement) he reenlistment in 2001 for 4 years and retired in 2005. In 2005 he also had a stapedectomy to correct hearing loss. Ask the simple question, would it be rational to send a man in his 40s with hearing loss to a war zone? People are idiots
@@KarateDrSanDiego Chris LaCivita is with the Trump campaign. He's the guy who swiftboated John Kerry 20 yrs ago, who served in combat while Turump dodged the draft. These guys will stop at nothing. Expect more of the same. They are desperate.
: JD is pointing out an in accuracy. Grow the hell up. Time served is one thing but embellishing the facts to validate your stance on gun control is pathetic. He's a Looser
Local and regional news talk radio shows were putting this on blast today. Veterans are p!ssed off. So many calling in to the show who served at the same time were all calling it… B.S. on live radio and bringing the facts
The bottom line doesn't matter if you're left or right. If you're in the military, that doesn't give you a right to embellish or fabricate
Now they're saying it's okay to embellish and fabricate, and because you were in the military, nobody should say anything about it. You don't get a free pass on that one. Nobody does
I was a command staff sergeant major general Navy Seal while I was in the Air Force.
Nicely put
I know I’ve changed alot since 2016 but I cannot believe how biased the news is. It really is entirely negative towards Trump/vance and excuses and deflecting towards Harris/walz. It’s astonishing. Has it always been this bad? Was I that brainwashed too?
Uh, excuse me, but Walz wasn't telling a phony story about bivouacking under fire in a helicopter landing as Hillary did., He wasn't telling a story about a combat mission he never went on. He was using "in war' to mean "for the purpose of war" which is an acceptable grammatical practice and shows no signs of deception or examples of 'stolen valor'. Those claims are ludicrous to anyone who has a reasonable grasp of the English language.
@@PrinceBlake saying "we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place where those weapons are at" isn't deceptive? That is basically saying I went to war. I don't care how you sugarcoat it, it's a bullshit line he said to gain a political advantage. Here is a video of him saying that and it's less than two minutes. ruclips.net/video/ioKhfz6xUE4/видео.html&ab_channel=NewYorkPost
Claiming you went to war when you didnt is stolen valor.
100% agree!
National Guard protects the U
.S. at home. I respect Walz for his 24 year service. Vance isn't cool in my book for disrespecting Walz. Vance is clearly a bully and a dumbass at the same time 😂😂😂😂
@RG-vc9nn how is calling him out for lying disrespecting him? No one is bashing his service, anyone who served deserves respect. Were bashing the fact he lied about it for political gain. 2 completely different things
good thing than, Walz did not do that.
not only that but lied about his rank. He was demoted from command sergeant major to master sergeant because he did not do 2 years which was required if you wanted to keep it but still after that he had the audacity to use that rank that he lost in his challenge coin and many times claimed him self he was still CSM!
Please God, let there be a vice presidential debate 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
GOVERNOR WALTZ WILL WIN THIS DEBATE FROM THIS CREEP WHO WILL SAY AND DO WHATEVER HE CAN DO! AFTER 24 YEARS IN THE MILITARY WALTZ DESERVED TO RETIRE! VANCE IS A CREEP AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE BUT HIMSELF!
Similar to Kamala, the Dems will hide Walz also
J.D. Vance: Please god, let there not be a vice presidential debate. (Watz would probably wipe the floor with me.)
@@BornAtheist Wow, you are delusional. Don't think JD has a problem prosecuting a debate against Walz's with his JD from Yale. Quite simple "So, tell me what battle or war did you go ? And, so why since 2006 did you claim to retire at a MN National Guard rank which was not accurate ?"
Even the elite Kamala, with her liberal Professor parents, would look child like compared to JD.
@BornAtheist WALZ claims to be a Command-sargeant but never was. Claimed to serve in combat but never did
.
I went to Iraq for this deployment with the Minnesota 1st Brigade, 34th Division. I spent 15 months of my life away from my wife and family in Iraq having mortars and rockets dropped on our base daily. I drove down IED riddled roads regularly and had friends ripped apart, burned and shot at. When you are a leader you go to war with your unit when called. A commander or CSM/1SG does not retire when notified of a deployment and abandon his unit. This is shameful for Walz and veterans should understand this. 1. He abandoned his unit when notified of an impending deployment to a dangerous place. 2. He claims he retired as a Command Sargent Major (E-9). He did not. He quit CSM school and was reduced to Master Sargent (E-8)for retirement. 3. He claimed he carried "weapons of war" when talking about gun control. He was never in a combat zone. I applaud his 24 years of service, but you do not lie or embellish your record and you do not betray your soldiers. Also, don't say you retired to "serve" in congress. The men and women who went on this deployment served their country. Going to congress is mostly self serving.
Walz is a wimp, stolen valor, traitor to Minnesota people and police. I served active duty in the U.S. Army. I call STOLEN VALOR AT WALZ!
Scouts out!
1. He did not abandon his unit when notified of deployment. He put forth his retirement a year before deployment announcement, and retired 2 months before his unit received deployment announcement.
2. His rank was never reduced, even if he didn’t complete, it was never reduced.
3. He carried the weapons of war he is speaking about, the national guard protects our land.
4. He served on the veterans committee in Congress and accomplished much for them.
5. He pushed against the Iraq war in congress, one YOU never should’ve been deployed to, one that was created PURELY for the profit of the VP’s own construction firm.
@@sneakyskillz2482 he 100% abandoned his unit. He was not slated for retirment at the time, as SOON as he got the go ahead for deployment he retired. He is a con artist and has preached stolen valor for years. Just the fact he said he deployed and yet did not should already be enough for you to dismiss him. The fact you defend him like a bot is deplorable.
@@Quasar-fv8to flat out lie. His unit didn’t receive deployment for 6 months after he left.
@@Quasar-fv8to stolen valor twitter accounts have come out in swaths to say Walz does not have stolen valor. I trust veterans who do this for a living more than you.
Vance accuses Walz of stolen Valor.....while Vance's boss dodged the draft 5 times.
Trump has no valor that can be stolen. Nobody has ever been able to and nobody will ever be able to steal Trump's valor. Nobody does valorless like Trump.....
It's like accusing someone of being a drug addict, while baggies of powder and syringes fall out of YOUR OWN pocket as you're accusing them.
Republicans have no concept of facts, logic, perspective or irony. Always accuse, never admit
Sounds like Trump the draft dodger to me. Poor bone spurs. He manages to golf a lot, though, doesn't he?@dixonmopar2129
big difference is walz is straight up LYING. maybe you dont know anyone in the military but they take claims of service very seriously.
retirement has to be started one year out...source: I am retired US Army myself.
Now: making light of anyones service is just out of line. I don't care if you were in a combat unit or not, the fact that you served is all I need to know. Shame on anyone who disparages anyone's service.
Shame on CSM Behrends for speaking out about Walz? He had to take Walz place and go to Iraq because Walz is better suited to train school children.
Jeffrey Dahmer served in the military… god bless his service right? 😂
@@ericbrosofske6733 before spouting off, look at the facts...you know, the real ones, not the ones MAGA is making up
It’s calling dishonesty and this guy is Ronny for VP? Vance was just calling out the lie.
@@ericbrosofske6733 shame on you for being a seditious election-denying liar.
Walz served almost 5 years beyond the minimum retirement stipulation. No one has a right to question why he retired when he did. No one. That was a very silly and inappropriate question.
ruclips.net/video/ioKhfz6xUE4/видео.html
Vance agreed to go as part of his deal to become Command Sergeant Major. Because he violated that agreement to go with his unit to combat, he was stripped of his rank,and retired as Master Sergeant. He shouldn't have said he carried weapons in combat. Why didn't he walk that statement back the next day, instead of letting it stand? BTW, a number of his men were very disappointed that he didn't join them in-theater.
@@bullwinkle60 Well Bullwinkle, you just described Vance to a T. Great job! I'd comment on the remainder, but I'm too busy laughing. No one ever accused maga of being smart. Lmao!
We have every right to question when he LIES about it.
@@Jahnink he didn’t want to go to Iraq with his men…. Why doesn’t he just say it ….like he loves the smelll of burning tyres and looting in the morning
And as a veteran, which i am, you do not go around saying comments as to make it look like you were in combat, which is what Walz did
Vance wrote press releases in an office, he was never in the field...
he never claimed to be but Walz claimed to have carried a weapon of war, in war..
@@91wheelz but the impression he gave was I was a combat veteran...and Walz certainly trained and trained others in using combat weapons...
@@richardscott9973 there is no debate on whether these two men were trained to be soldiers, they were but the issue is that Walz claimed to have been in a war when he in fact wasn’t. Vance at the least was deployed and did not deny what his role in the Marines was.
@@91wheelz I agree but the pretending on the right that Walz is a coward is emabarassing...
@@richardscott9973 Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
Im a Veteran of the British Forces. I served in Cyprus during the 1st Gulf War. I have total respect for those who fought on the front line but aware that those who did know I would have done and our positions could easily have been reversed if the military had decided such. I will always be aware of those who have given the ultimate sacrifice and others who by chance were never under fire. All have served and there is no doubt that if chosen to go.. we go. I have total respect for Walz’s military record and anyone else who has served.
Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
good to have someone who knows what it is to be part of such a situation. I think the title Marine is questionable. Real Marines are the elite force and would never ever fold on any other Marine, no matter what is in play. So Vance is the ultimate looser, the guy you could not stand but somehow dodged every challange. He never faced real war, just turned up for a free bottle of water and the allocated chocolate bar.
Well said. My sentiments exactly.
The Military has an Esprit de corps.. It’s so weird to hear someone from the military slagging off someone else from the military. Weird.
Oh, so you think it's OK that he applied for a rank for which HE WAS NOT ELIGIBLE when he "retired". He also wasted taxpayer dollars on training by signing a contract that GE NEVER FULFILLED. The most despicable thing is that he got busted down in rank to an E-8 because of his LIES. How can you support this man? Oh, I know. You're a foreigner who doesn't know JACK about the US military or HONORABLE service. Great job swallowing the FAKE News narrative!
Throwing BS to the wall to see what sticks nothing
That's right.
It’s the best they can do.
@@bcfortenberry they are so sad
@@allieelectra23 God bless our next president Donald J Trump!!!
@@Muttenchopsforever
34× convicted felon Trump is going to the big house not the White House 😂
Stolen Valor fact: Walz retired as a master sergeant, an E-8. He says he retired as a command sergeant major, an E-9. He lied about his retirement rank often including while in Congress in 2009.
STOLEN VALOR.
The Cav Scout agrees. Walz is a weak b_tch.
No. He held a CSM billet as his final duty assignment. He was downgraded to MSG for retirement due to not having completed a SGM/CSM-required training course.
@@robertsmentkowski312 I really don’t give a fuck what he retired as! The important stuff is what he did when he was in the service and I’m thinking a combat reporter who has never seen combat should shut to fuck up about someone else’s valor!
@@bripeck you are incorrect. Walz lied repeatedly over many years, including while in Congress. Walz said he was in a combat zone. He never was while Vance was in a combat zone. Vance never lied. Integrity is paramount. West Point’s motto is “duty honor country”. West Point
Is the standard for the army. Waltz has no honor.
@@bripeck I've been to multiple combat zones and Walz claims to have been to one, when he's actually only been deployed to Italy...There is no need to lie about ones service, that alone should be honorable, but we have a problem with some veterans who like to embellish their service and what they've actually done because they don't feel proud enough for what they did or to gain the system.
After 24 years in uniform, Walz must have been around 42 years old when he retired. No Army wants to send 42 year old soldiers into combat.
I think the key points here are; 1) Walz filed to run for congress in February...showing he was moving into retirement. 2) Military retirement needs to be started 1 year out from the retirement date..so he had to have started the process in May of the previous year., 3) He retired before the unit received orders to deploy.
@@LocoCoyote Do words 'honorable discharge' mean anything to you? Anything? Is that same as a regular retirement you are talking about?
Plus he had a hearing impairment that would have been a liability in combat.
@@verko5292 you can't retire with anything other than an honorable discharge....
Well that's where you're wrong. There were a number of guardsmen working at the factory where I was working when they got called up to go to Iraq. They weren't young men, one was a grandfather. One poor guy was just two weeks from finishing his enlistment, but he went anyway and did his duty. Walz should at least explain why he refused to do the same.
Vance served as a correspondent for 4 years and was deployed to Iraq for 6 months back in a safe place to comment on the war. Walz was in the National Guard for 24 years and worked his way up the ranks. He was sent to Italy in support of Afganistan but didn't see combat either. They both served and got out. I'm not here to attack either for their service. Don Old on the other hand dodged his service 5 times for "bone spurs". He attacks Veterans all the time as losers and suckers. We can't let ConOld back in the WhiteHouse ever again!
Cadet WEIRDON Bone Spurs should have been brought to court martial 😅
Wait a min. Walz was sent to Afghanistan?!
How many deferments did Biden get again? Go ahead look it up, I’ll wait
I see what you did there. Thank you for your service.
😆 🤣 😂 😹 Biden will say he was in there too
Vance accusing Waltz of not doing his duty when Trump is a draft dodger is weird.
@Gullpped * Vance is not a combat veteran, he should not attack other veterans with lies, especially a veteran with over 24 years of service.
@@Gullpped Trump didn’t lie and say he went. That would be the equivalent.
@@dixonmopar2129 this coming from the party that gave us "woke," "snowflake," "libtards," and too many more to mention. The right has become the party of meme politics. That's all they do now, spew hatred and meme taking points. No serious ideas for governing. You don't like the term "weird" because you know it's true. Calling Tim's 24 years of service "stolen valor?" Just a bunch of monkeys throwing poop.
@@jerrymcclure5970yes he is doofus he was in the MARINES
Almost as weird as tampons for 4th grade boys eh?
As a military man, why does Walz need to install tampon dispensary machines in the Boys restroom???
he doesn't. he is the governor, not a janitor.
Now this is really becoming crazy the whole point of service in the military is the fact that you served Vance is running with a man who ducked the draft for Vietnam and yet he's trying to shame a man that actually served and also being a serviceman myself you don't know when you're going to be deployed especially within 2 months.
@@plove552 He may be a couch humper but I doubt he ducked the draft for Vietnam. Whiskey tango foxtrot? Over.
And the retirement request was submitted several months before the retirement day. I bet we’ll see thousands of combat vets coming to defend Walz
@@plove552 the trump campaign is literally in panic mode they just crapping out pathetic attacks
@@promeitheusactually his unit has already come out and said he abandoned them after his unit was ordered to go to Iraq. The man retired early to avoid going to combat. He claimed he was in combat. He lied about his service.
@@Carlins_ProphetTrump famously ducked the draft for Vietnam by claiming he had "bone spurs".
Vance's weapon of war was a laptop.
and a couch.
😂😂😂
He is a keyboard warrior saying the pen is mightier than the sword 😂.
So in Walz's own words said and I quote 'we can make sure the weapons of war that I carried in war' .... hahahahaha. what a liar.
@@lewis1coolguy2 Meanwhile... Tampon Tim is giving tampons to boys.
Vance is a perfect fit for agent orange...both talk out of their rear end.
Walz LIED 16 times on video about being a "retired Command Sergeant Major"...that's a big LIE. So's claiming to have carried a gun in a war. Oh, and ANYONE who served a 4 year enlistment in the active-duty Army (like JD and I have) served a LOT more active duty time than weekend Timmy did at 38 days a year.
Vance was a secretary in the army never seen combat most blood he seen was a paper cut SMH 🤦🏾♂️
That's because he's a weird little girl
JD VANCE WAS A US MARINE! There is no easy way here!
Did Vance say he did? No. Nice deflection though.
JUST to piss you off I am going after Veteran for Harris signs and filing federal charges against "STOLEN Valor" as many are NOT Veterans.
JD Vance was a military journalist. Not exactly the stuff of legends. The fact is that there are many non-combatant roles in a modern army and you go to where you are assigned. JD Vance has no class.
The other dude was in the Guard... What exactly are you defending?
@@TheUMIAthe National Guard is just as important and the Reserves and Active military. Vance needs to shutup and color.
@@MercyMe2022 No, the Guard isn't as important as Active. Anyone in the military will tell you the same. Go color.
@@TheUMIA They get paid the same. The fact that you are even comparing sticks to how people serve is a disgrace. Regardless if your on active duty, reserves, or National Guard, you served your country just like anybody else. You can serve your country honorably without being deployed or seeing combat. There is no hierarchy of importance. Anyone in the military will tell you to shut up.
He never said otherwise. He isn't pretending or lying that is the difference
Despicable. This is so revealing about the character differences between Vance and Walz. Vance blatantly lies in order to attack a fellow vet, while Walz responded by thanking him for his service
Seriously! Why should a Marine like Vance,who actually was in Iraq with his unit, say ANYTHING about a guy who quit on his unit before they were deployed to Iraq but then tells people he fought in Iraq??
How when what Vance said is actually proven to be true if you look at Waltz’a record? You’d know that if you actually did some research.
@@jackieb.2642 are you saying Vance was telling the truth and Tampon Tim is lying?
@@jackieb.2642The chaplain in tiny Tim's unit called him a coward. It's really bad when a chaplain says you're a coward ...
@@MrMistrEnigma Yes that’s what I’m saying.
Walz ran for the hills at the first sign of war. It was a cowardly act. There's no sugar coating this.
JD Vance wears eyeliner. 😂
Guyliner
@@Carlins_Prophethe's a very strange man
Wouldn’t your “eyeliner” jab be considered h0m0ph0bia to the dim\/\/it Dems? 🤔
Maybe Vance is a closet goth.
Vance with eyeliner!
Trump with Orange makeup!
What a couple???
I can’t wait for them to debate.
Shady Vance will not, he's a coward.
@@drgta6 As is his Orange Master.
Vance will come up with some clever excuse. LIKE TRUMP DID LOL
@@FredLee-fv2fkOnly a creep would concern himself with women's menstruation needs unless it's to help them.
Actually Harris and Vance should except the Debate with Dishonest Fox under the Condition that Each Response gets Factchecked and the word 'True Or False ' appears on our TV Screens. They will DESTROY Trump and Vance!😮
Vance, come on, dude... What is up with right attacking people who have served? Donald with John McCain and now Vance with Walz. I'm a veteran, and I'm sick of this.
The truth is that Walz is a veteran slimeball. Using a rank he didn’t achieve to advance his political career and leaving his platoon out to dry.
@@celiaflinn7737 Ok. Did you serve?
@@celiaflinn7737read his history while in the service,
Before making a deragatory
statement. You can always
Know a MAGA, by their nasty
Comments!
@@cathyadams7288 VANCE: "I WAS LUCKY TO ESCAPE ANY REAL COMBAT" TO ATTACK A MAN WHO GAVE HIS COUNTRY 24 YEARS!!!!! A VOTE FOR TRUMP IS A VOTE FOR PUTIN.
WE ARE NEVER GOING BACK!
@@ktaylor5047 9 Trillion Dollar Public Monopoly plus MSM vs the Working Stiff.
We have elections to chose Leaders not Leaders to chose elections.
I am sick and tired (retired service plumber) of No Borders, No Natural Resources and Group Identity by 57 Million (retired and current) government union/pension workers who add NOTHING to IRS income revenue with tax paid paychecks.
Any person with weapons time or combat time knows waltz is full of it. What a clown.
Vance went to Iraq to sit in a office in the Green Zone to make press releaces! 😆
And he didn’t insinuate that he was in a fight. One lied one didn’t, stop it.
You did less.
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
@@RinseRepeatEat He didn't claim he was in combat. You only heard what you wanted.
WALZ is a wonderful man. Don't let these evil Republicans say otherwise. You know how they are.
So in Walz's own words said and I quote 'we can make sure the weapons of war that I carried in war' .... hahahahaha. what a liar.
CIVILIAN reporters have seen MORE action than NO CHANCE VANCE
i like your fake tan, babe.
@@Muttenchopsforeverracist
JV Vance is a pos for doing that to another veteran.
Walz quote “ weapons of war that are carried in the war” he was never deployed except to Italy
Shady Vance isn't a vet.
Ok squiggy ...lol. Its a big fucking
Nothing burger but u do u clown.
So did he carry a weapon in a war zone ?
Tampon Tim
in war... never saw war in his life. Sounds like Walz is all talk and JD walks the walk.
Serve his county ? He was a journalist, never was in combat, never fired a shot. Vance is full of shit
You're right about that but you forgot his brain is chewing gum from helping with burn pits. Surely Vance found medical reasons to stay away from them, he's a liar and a cheat, just like his boss is.
So he wasn't overseas to take people's lives, so how is that bad?
First off he never carried no weapons of war in war second off weapons used in war are not on our streets maybe you should learn the difference between fully auto and semi auto
He never said he did, but waltz, said “weapons of war that I carried in war” and he was never deployed except to Italy
@@ikeswp4959 weapons of war? I hear they can harm people, so why does a government that loves people have so many of them?
Lmao Vance spent 6 months in Iraq as a public affairs officer (aka a journalist)
He acts like he was in the trenches for years. He's such a joke
Neither did Tampon Tim.
@ghos7fiction You right-wing window licking trolls are lame as hell. I've heard better insults on a elementary playground
@@ghos7fiction I'm honestly living for the Tampon Tim nickname. Not only is it lowkey endearing af, and doing the complete opposite of what Walz's naysayers wanted.
Let the trolling begin 😂 Vance forgot in his book he said he was lucky to escape any REAL fighting. He also forgot Walz retired in May and his unit deployed in July 😂
So in Walz's own words said and I quote 'we can make sure the weapons of war that I carried in war' .... hahahahaha. what a liar.
actually I believe the unit deployed after July....the orders were received in July, but there is a lot of prep that goes into a deployment of this type....I would guess + 6 months or so
nice fake tan, babe.
Interesting now did Vance talk about carrying a weapon of war in a war zone? Vance never lied waltz did false Valor duh
People forget there’s a quote they follow which has been stated over and over for these school shootings which is probably what he was referring to since they had signs with it even that day for both the survivors and gun rights. People forget that he is pro gun rights & has trained thousands of people how to handle them. He was stationed in Italy, left his wife & family and served 24 years. The other guy follows Trump who lied saying he served then when fact checked he literally ran away like a lil bish 5 times. I would have never brought up this topic when the person you’re attacking is more advanced at combat than you and the person you are signed up under is an embarrassment to the military.
“Life is like a war. There will always be people trying to shoot you down. But it's your choice whether you're going to surrender, fight back, or dodge the bullet”
And also the clip of Tim Walz started before he said the sentence about weapons in war and stopped immediately afterwards. It is always suspicious if you have so tight video cutting! Show at least a minute of it, or you can assume it is completely out of context. (like the quote about the 25 feet ladder business if the wall is build 20 feet high.)
Exactly. His actual quote was..... “and we can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried, in war is the only place those weapons are at.”
Yes. His actual quote was.... “and we can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried, in war is the only place those weapons are at.”
The irony that both of these guys should proudly stand by their respective records, but Vance (if indeed that is his name) now cheapens any valour by playing “who played solider better”. Pathetic.
Nahh, it’s he lied and his unit didn’t respect it and Vance was up front and honest.
Did Walz carry a gun into battle , yes or no?
@@muddywater4505 he said in a war...and it was in a war.
@@RinseRepeatEat and by they way...Vance has never been up front and honest. Not sorry to see him go here in Ohio. And he can take his eyeliner pencil with him.
@@muddywater4505 neither of them did, doesn't cheapen their service. Vance is a clown for making this an election issue - not a single democrat has denigrated Vance's service.
The question should be, why has he changed his name three times? Did he commits crime, does he owe money, was he married before???
I think a lot of people would
like to know.
Couple DUIs... stole valor... changed genders.... typical democrat stiff
I think it's none of your business 🤔 😂
I read it on his Wiki but like the name he has been given by some. Shady
@@SludgeFuZZ people with mutiple felonies
@@overcome5193I think it is… why is the VP’s race anyone’s business? She’s an American, so why is that an issue? I see a lot of flip floppin when it’s against republicans
Funny how people who never had the gumption to serve wanna tell vets what to think about stolen valor.
Vance reminds me of Rudy 😂😂😂
Oh no, no worse insult.
Vance looks like John Wayne Gacy and just as weird too.
@@allieelectra23saying "weird" on repeat because you've been trained to is cult like behavior
@@clintonkildepsteen3982 Sorry but that's how I actually feel. You're in denial sweetie. Vance Creepozoid !
@@clintonkildepsteen3982 Vance Creepozoid
You better call him Sergeant Major and watch your mouth
Apart from the fact he was demoted you mean? hahahaha
@@faithingod5533 troll
Weekend warrior
@@hmminteresting22 Its true you muppet. He didn't complete the Sergeant Major Academy as he quit before the war and deployment to Iraq. So facts hurt your feelings and not true? hahahaha
He may have been a Temporary SM but his discharge papers say he was a MS. He also never signed his discharge papers. If he had a problem before he left, he should have gotten it corrected. Now lying about your actual rank is dubious at best. Most Veterans consider that Stolen Valor.
Walz served while his country was at war, including Afghanistan and the Gulf War. He said he carried a weapon in war, not to the war, not to the battlefield. Serving by training is still serving. Unlike Trump and his alleged heel spurs, or Trump's grandfather who came to the US to avoid conscription. What weapon did Vance carry? A pen?
Samantics games will not change anything! But remember your inability to stand for what is right the next time you venture signal and thank a Veteran for their service. Keep your hollow gratitude. We do not want it.
Well, they say the pen is mightier than the sword...
@@aaronhelvig9444 Vance had a desk job. Try to keep up
Willie Brown was 60 and Kammie was 29, she called him Daddy but he preferred Master. Most of the time she couldn't say either, her mouth was full. That's how a young ding bat gets ahead, by giving head.
😂😂😂 nice try. He lied. Stop the excuses.
This Marine combat veteran also says Walz is a COWARD.
Facts
Vance is such a liar! What a horrible person!
Agreed 💯
Tampon Tim lied and said he was in the war
@@clintonkildepsteen3982JD Mandel spent 6 months in Iraq as a journalist. Gtfoh
Great duo of liaers ! tRump/vAnce !
@@clintonkildepsteen3982 you're losing
I'd like to hear the President wanna-be speak about his valor
it's too stupid to even address.
Do you mean his or her?
@@Jeffrey-g2v Read my post again. Does it say his or hers?
Was not getting VD or somthing like that Donnies self proclaimed "Vietnam". Some dummy veteran gave Donnie his purple heart and donnie said something like I always wanted one of these. I am sure he now shows it around saying he earned it.
@@Jeffrey-g2v Does the post say his or does the post say her?
I think the charge of stolen valor needs more than one instance of misspeaking. JD Vance truly is Trump's number 2. Seems like an accusation that just reminds everyone Trump didn't go to Vietnam.
There is more than one instance. To be charged with Stolen Valor, he must have profited from such. Which he did since he used it for political purposes. Any District should charge him. And its easy to convict.
#bonespurs
@@lawrenceleverton7426 There is certainly more than one instance of Republicans lying to smear a veteran. Is that stolen valor? You seem to be such an expert.
Trump didn't claim to be in Combat you dork
Walz has been selling himself as a CSM when his rank was MS to further his career and that’s disgusting!!
Walz abandoned his people of Minnesota too during the G Floyd riots. He let the city burn to the ground and black owned business's were destroyed. He allowed police precincts to be over run with thugs. This country will be like Fort Apache!!
Tim Walz: "I look forward to debating Vance, if he is willing to give up the couch."...!!!...LOL
Vance retired after 4 years because his honor was gone and decided to flip flop in politics for a living.
Kamala said defund the police, abolish ICE, and give full citizenship to illegals. Now she’s saying none of that.
4 years active duty marine in Iraq vs 24 year weekend warrior
@@Antonio_saiddd Yeh, how dare he serve his country as a weekend warrior while he did the useless job of being a teacher!
Thank god Vance came home and did the important job of venture capitalists. Where would we be without those blessed venture capitalists?
@@Antonio_saiddd 24 years of being available to be deployed anywhere anytime. National Guard get deployed more than most active duty military units, and due to their length of service are often better trained and show more teamwork than a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds. Correction: Vance = 4 year news reporter who passed basic and MCT, 6 months newspaper writer in Iraq.
@Spiritof_76 Apparently he was not available to be deployed, since he promised to go with his unit but did not.
It’s pretty simple. It’s Stolen Valor. There have been too many instances where he said himself and let others embellish his actions. It’s people from his own unit that brought this up years ago not just Vance.
it is actually even more simple: It is not Vance lied to you.
Vance the Chameleon spreading lies about his own time in the defence force as a reporter while defaming Walz time as a soldier.
But he went to Iraq when called to do so. Did you go? He showed courage!
So the truth about walz doesn’t matter? Is cnn going to be unbiased and dig a little into walz’s history. The answer is no. Cnn will lie and the viewers will become uninformed voters. This shouldn’t not be allowed since I’m sad to say cnn is an accredited news outlet.
Where’s my post? Oh cnn is banning comments as usual
@@celiaflinn7737yall really don’t know how the military works do yall?
@@celiaflinn7737 Im not American, so no I didnt. The point is Vance tried accusing Walz of not doing his bit and that he was a fake.
Air Force veteran here of 12 years. It's not mentioned enough that everyone in the military has combat roles. I was an aircraft mechanic. This doesn't mean your service has less impact or value. All jobs in the military work together for one purpose. Both candidates served , by all current accounts, honorably. Both can be thanked and honored for their service regardless of time or function in the military.
Agreed. But I was a 6yr contract corporal, that left due to health issues as a PFC. i was an air winger that was deployed to Gitmo to do classified radar/radio work. I wouldn’t come home and say I was black site veteran corporal, even though I was contracted to be. I was a PFC. nothing gives me the right to embellish that record. It’s like coming home from WWII and sitting next to a vet with shrapnel scars on his face and body and showing off a Purple Heart, you know because I cut off my finger on kitchen duty. Equally as important during war, but there is a time and a place and I’m sick of people who lie about and over embellish their military service. To be clear, a year later was desert storm and I was disappointed, I wouldn’t be there!
Thank you for your 12 yrs service contributions to our Great Nation 🇺🇸
Our veterans deserve our respect. Armies are made up of hundreds of troops with various skill sets. Combined and trained, they become a cohesive force.
@@sirenknight8007?. He didn't embellish. People have to learn to listen and understand. He used 'weapons of war'. Not he used weapons in the war. Plain english. Talk about twisting words around.?
@@ydcee3123 Walz said he carried weapons of war (true) in a war (untrue), I watched the video of him saying it.
He had never made Command Sergeant Major as he claims.
He had cops shot paintballs at citizens who stood on their porch during covid.
@@Alltypzthat didn’t work in 2020, it didn’t work in 2022, why do you think it’s going to work in 2024? Go look up that famous Einstein quote about repeating the same thing and expecting different results.
Actually he held a CSM Billet in his reserve unit as its Command Sergeant Major. However, by the time he had dropped his retirement packet he had not required the requisite training course for his rank and was downgraded to MSG as his promotion rank in accordance with Army regulations.
I'm a veteran and JD Vance doesn't know what stolen valor is! It has a very specific meaning and Vance himself never saw combat! This is lame and makes me want to vote for Harris& Walz even more. JD Vance is a tool!
JD Vance actually served in a Combat Zone. That is a fact. And I'm a Retired Veteran and I disagree with your assertion. It is Stolen Valor. And for any Veteran not to think so is kinda odd.
@@lawrenceleverton7426 JD Vance served in a non combat role. Sure he was in country but your assertion that this is stolen valor is pretty out there! You are reaching and JD Vance is reaching. This is out of La Civita's playbook and it's not going to fly! By the way how could you support a president who called WW2 vets Suckers & Losers? Bone spurs is a disgrace and a chicken hawk and Vance's service is hardly heroic!
Kamala/Walz 2024 we're not going back period 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
I LOATHE HARRIS!
@@pragmatist23-r8s I LOATHE TRUMP!
Wasn't Walz 40 at that time? I don't think they send 40 year olds into combat.
Damn right, Steel! That Walz was then middle aged is being ignored! Hello from New Zealand.
🇳🇿🌴👧🏛✔
You should stop thinking!
He never saw combat.
Stop watching FAKE FOXS LIES .WALZ SAID AND I QUOTE HE WAS 17 yrs old when he join the Military
That's what I was thinking, the guy was in his 40s and expecting another child on the way. He was a grown man with a family that served 24 years, he had every right to quit and do something else with his life. Vance was a 19 or 20 year old, completely different situations.
Megyn Kelly's podcast or youtube video - take a look, she interviews 4 veterans who knew Walz and served with him who confirm that Walz claimed the title of Retired Master Command Sergeant or allowed himself to be introduced as such without correction even though he is not entitled to claim that rank and after being informed that he was not entitled to that rank. He also told at least one of these veterans who was also a sergeant that he would be shipping out with his unit to Iraq and then didn't. Walz is a liar and a political opportunist.
Vance served 6 months in Iraq as a glorified journo. Really brave!
@@aaronhelvig9444 Vance never took any combat footage, though. He worked out of an office. ;)
@@kbuleyhe’s not claiming to be Rambo, he’s saying the other guy shouldn’t claim to have gone to war when he never went near a combat zone.
He still went. Walz lied.
At least Vance actually went to Iraq, instead of lying like Walz! Walz claims he carried weapons in war. He quit when he found out his unit was getting ready to go to Iraq!!!😮
@@aaronhelvig9444 Lol where was Trump's military office? 😂
Dishonor aside, this isn't even smart politically. Who's gonna tell him about master bone spurs?
Walz lied to his voters, it shows his character. Vance didn't lie, simple there is your distinction.
@@skidmoda Vance did lie by calling himself a combat vet. He carried a camera FFS.
You didn't know you can't join if you have bone spurs?
@rogersmith7808 In today's U.S. military, a 6-month deployment or more allows a servicemen the label of "veteran". So, he is correct, Vance is a veteran. He never said he was a combat vet - that's different. But, objectively speaking, he's definitely a Marine Veteran.
@@chickbowdrie4750 He actually said he was a combat vet and the definition you provided of "veteran" is not accurate.
Don't forget "Swift Boat". The Republican standard playbook.
Yep - apparently the guy who did that to Kerry is the same one who's leading the charge on this.
Truth is not a liberal virtue.
After 20 years or x points you can hand in your paperwork whenever you think you’re ready. Had Vance served instead of just serving himself he’d know that. There’s many reasons to leave. For instance, you’re simply ready to move on and enjoy retirement or there’s no advancement available, or to serve in office. There’s many reasons of which Shady will never know because he’s never served long enough to know somebody that actually retired. And fyi combat correspondents report combat. They don’t engage in combat. Often aren’t even armed for battle. That’s why he’s throwing SHADE.
There are many reasons to leave. Collecting pay for weekends in the National Guard was great. But the minute they asked him to serve in Iraq he quit. Pretty simple even for people like you. Want to talk about the lies Walz told about being in a combat zone or his official rank? Deflect all you want, this isnt about Vance, and Vance didnt lie about his service. I realize that you Libs dont like Vets, but every single actual Vet I know is disgusted with Walz.
The Republican campaign is moribund.
You win word of the day!!!
@RandyWatson-iw7qn um ok. U want a cookie or a biscuit?
When Trump was to go what did he do?
Where was Kamala? Why are you comparing Trump to Walz. Vance went to Iraq. Apples to apples.
His "Bone Spurs' " were acting up.
@@regu6582Biden dodged the draft as well, blaming his asthma
@regu6582 I have bone spurs in my feet. What's your point. They are excruciating and limit my ability to do things that you may take for granted. Walk a mile in my shoes.
@@jamesestelle7260 I have asthma.
Asthma limits what I can do regardless of the weather.
Try running or walking with my lungs.
You DO NOT accuse another veteran of stolen valour - never
what if an E5 claims to be a full bird? they get a pass?
I completely disagree. The only ones who should be upset are Veterans. And they are.
@@MrTea42 I like it,
@@lawrenceleverton7426which is disgusting, considering Vance will turn his back on them day 1, and pull back countless Biden initiatives that help veterans… and Walz was on the veterans affairs committee…. He would instantly help them more if he was in office. Funny how the republicans can screw the people they claim to care about the most.
I usually don't comment on stuff like this but I served in the same time when walz served and I can't say he was lying about stolen valor, but then I can't say he was telling the truth. When we deployed to Iraq we had bombs and mortars dropping by us weekly and it was the scariest time of my life. I witnessed soldiers get their feet blown off in front of my face and i have nightmares about it regularly😢. Walz was not in our unit but he actually stayed back for administrative desk work from what I understand. But there was a time during basic training he was involved in sniper week and there was a competition shooting in M4A sniper rifle and he actually came in first place and was a true leader and everyone respected him after that, despite being an administrator. I never understood why he bailed from going to Iraq and claimed he had other things to do. But one thing I can attest to is my son was on his State championship football team and he was such an excellent coach and cared for everybody on the team, always called plays that involved everyone's involvement to win, and not a single individual type of play. The best part, is this entire comment was made up and total bullshit and I just wanted to waste everyone's time reading it.
Good men can be cowards.
Dear Governor Walz,
The 24 years of service to your country is very much appreciated regardless of your rank and deployment. I am certain you carried guns and ammunition one way or another during your service, whether in training or in combat matters not to me because you are here today still fighting for your country and the American dream. I salute you and all the veterans.
Thank you for your service!
Sincerely Yours,
A Veteran's wife
So Walz WAS deployed. Not to a war zone but he was deployed. Countless troops serve honorably without ever seeing combat.
This is ridiculous.
I was deployed to Thailand and Okinawa. I never saw combat unless you want to count the protests and race wars in Okinawa as a war zone.
Vance was deployed to Iraq, and Walz retired before Iraq. Vance has never stated anything than what he did whereas Walz straight up lied to your face because he must think he voters are stupid and wouldn't fact check it.
Why he lets his wife apply eye liners??he looks like acdc🤣🤣
I always wondered why he seemed so pretty.
Did he carry weapon in war as he claimed? That's the question. Why is the media sidestepping this question. He lied. Period!!
That MAGA VP candidate is attacking first Women with Cats. Now, that six months serving "office chair soldier" attacks a 24 years servicing veteran. What a fool.
Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
*The left wing media propagandists are **_PANICKING_** to try and cover for Tim Walz stolen valor. Too bad there is too much video evidence and documentation for them to lie their way out of:*
*A Video from 2009 shows a veteran confronting Tim Walz’s staff over claims that he served in Afghanistan. The veteran said Walz could go to jail for violating the Stolen Valor Act of 2006, for claiming to have served in Afghanistan, when he did not... Beyond pathetic.*
*Meanwhile, JD Vance is keeping up the fight for the working-class citizen.*
Vance has a skewed understanding of the military and the military mindset. First, Vance achieved the rank of corporal (E4), while Walz achieved the rank of Command Sargent Major (acting)/Master Sargent (both E9), the highest enlisted ranking. Second, Vance served for 4 years, while Walz served for 24 years (6 times greater). Third, Vance has difficulty understanding it is not where you serve, but how you serve that’s important. You serve where needed and follow orders. In summary, until Vance learns about service to America at all levels he will continue to not be ready to serve America in any capacity, including his current position as Senator from Ohio.
How did the people of Ohio come to vote for him did they not see who he was
@@steveallen3434 …Your question is valid and I do not have a reply, so I suggest contacting the relevant news sources in Ohio to determine how to provide you an answer.
Now a US senator from Ohio, Vance, 40, deployed to Iraq in 2005, as a military journalist. Despite his title - combat correspondent - he did not experience combat
This is absolutely wrong. He claimed he served in war as well as he claimed he retired as CSM and still til this day as I type this, Walz has CSM title on his MN Government website. That is Stolen Valor and I'm going to file charges my damn self. You're not going to say multiple times you retired as CSM when you never met the qualifications, and even after the military told you, sorry you'll be retiring as MSG you still state you hold that rank. Nope lies all fkn lies and no one in the military ever in the history of all time has said it's OK to claim you earned a rank or title or position without actually earning it.
I agree 100%. I would also add a weekend warriors 24 year service is not the same as active duty. Active duty is 24/7 service for term of contract. Active duty is first to be called and the most notice you might get for deployment may only be 24 hrs.
@jack8230 Correct, I was NG for my first 2 years but switched to the Reserves so I could deploy more. I did 4 deployments and loved every minute of it, but for anyone to cheapen anyone that deployed or say they did when they didn't, yea, you have another thing coming. All these people saying Vance was a paper boy....yea a paper boy in Iraq you fkn psychos. Same as the mail clerk, same as the accountant that handed me money from my Eagle cash card....they were in combat none the less. Did I look down on people that didn't go outside the wire, hell yes, but I also will fight anyone that never did deploy talk down to them as well. They're still equals. They just got a better hand in the deck of cards.
Don't forget, he's a Democrat.... lying is what they do!! But, in his case, he also crossed a line when he lied about his military service! He has no honor!!
"He claimed he served in war" no he did not. Vance lied to you. are you not able to listen?
91% of all US soldiers don't see active combat.. he keeps going at mass populations of people and offending them lol
Thank you for this comment. Spot on!
Walz is disgusting to claim what he did. Vance was deployed to Iraq never claimed anything else or otherwise
@@skidmoda CNN watchers will lie about anything including equate Waltz's lies to Trump never serving.
Don't be so easily blinded by partisan politics. This is not a gray area. Being a combat veteran is binary - and it is not a question of whether a servicemember engaged with the enemy (or how "intense" it was) while they were deployed to an active combat zone... it is a question of whether they actually deployed to an active combat zone.
Any veteran (or servicemember) saying otherwise is simply mistaken... or has an integrity problem. Either way, they are misleading people.
Don't be so easily fooled.
The blantant egregious lying is just astounding!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tim Walz 👍✌️🇺🇦🤝🇺🇸🕊️
Shady Vance is a nuisance politician. A self-serving dude. Disgusting.
DMD Vance was in Iraq and said,I drink DietMountainDew 300 yards from people who are trained to bring me situation reports"Real veterans who saw combat don't go on about it all the time.
If you listen to what Gov Watz said about his hearing, he was already identified by the Army as none deployable. That is the reason why the Army was putting him through the Medical Review Board. He also submitted his retirement, so there was no Stop Lost in place. The Army already considered him a loss. Gov Watz was in Combat Arms that means he was in the front line offense and defense. Gov Watz also served 24years. Vance on the other hand was Civil Affairs that means the situation was stabilizing and didn’t retire.
Gov Watz passed bills helping veterans. What did Vance do for Veterans nothing.
Funny to hear a man with no valor cast judgement on another. I would rather vote for a teacher than a complainer. Like it told his young son, JD why don’t you “Shut the hell up!”
Oh a teacher that put tampons in the boys bathroom 😂😂🤡
Gov. Walz lied about his military record for years! The NY Post reported on Walz' claiming he was in combat while talking to a Minn. gun group: *“We can research the impacts of gun violence. We can make sure those weapons of war, that I carried in war, are only carried in war,”* But Walz was never deployed to a combat zone! Walz also lied about retiring a Command Sgt. Major. FOX interviewed one of Walz' fellow soldiers who was in Walz' unit and actually was a Command Sgt. Major. He said Walz never completed the two-year program requirement and therefore is really a master sergeant! He said he was offended by Walz’ misrepresentation of his rank.
Donald Trump lies and Vance lies 24/7. So what's your point? The real Americans are voting blue up and down the ticket no matter who. Plain and simple.
Liars. Walmart bill in the last 4 years. Says it all. I would think.
She just misquoted him. He said "We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried.. In war is the only place that those weapons are at." Vance is a liar. He lies about being straight. He's Peter Theil's fwb.
He served 24 years he should know better then to lie. "Beleive me when I say We veterans know Tim Walzs type"
but he did not lie. Vance lied.
@@MusikCassette why do you say Vance lied? Can you explain. Walz said he carried weapons in war. Also officially said he held rank of E9 sargaent major he never did. He was a master sargaent and has since changed it.
@@RF413-d6qhe did achieve the rank of Command Sergeant Major. That’s beyond dispute. He couldn’t retire as a CSM so was demoted for retirement purposes. His rank was CSM when he retired so he did retire as a CSM. Not that hard to understand.
@@michaelsnyder6922ok and his saying that he was in war?
@@michaelsnyder6922you democrats are so angry. Your party hasnt been this angry since the first Republican President Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.
J. D. Vance - US Marine Corps, served in Iraq as a combat correspondent(news reporter)for six months in late 2005, and served a total of 4 years.
Served a year in Iraq while we were at war. Which is 1 year longer than Tim Walz claimed he was in a war.
@@RM-jb2bv I agree with you 1000%
Walz should not lie about his rank, that is the stolen valor. He was demoted, he is not a Command Sgt. Major, he is a liar.
that to me he has committed fraud.
Walz went to war in Italy 🇮🇹,does that count 🤣🤣
No war in Italy
Does burning your lip on a hot caffe latte in Italy mean he was wounded in action.😆
Fact check should me mandatory ❤😂
J.D. Vance's comments are not disheartening, they're just plain stupid.
They are correct, whether you agree or not.
@@lawrenceleverton74261 month with no reply, you must have hit a brain cell💀
JD Vance sat in a protected building and wrote press releases. What a tremendous service. 😂 Sounds like Captain Bonespurs to me. 😂
He was in a Combat zone. Whether he was cleaning the urinals or not, he was in a Combat Zone and got combat pay. End of Story
Become a US marine, and then tell us about it!
@@lawrenceleverton7426 I heard he got a paper cut. 😂
If you don't understand the difference between an AR-15 and an M16 you have no background to argue gun control.
A SLIMY SLANDEROUS SLEAZY SMEARING CAMPAIGN!!!!
Shame on Shady Vance. My father did his duty but opted out before his unit was deployed to Vietnam. He had two babies and a 3rd on the way. Shady didn't do any combat time - he was in a freaking PR unit!!
🤣 he got called to a war zone and deployed. P3d0 waltz can't say the same.
He could, but he didn't, because your old man was a coward. My dad was the only remaining son out of 6 daughters in his family, and had a baby on the way, and he still went to war. What Walz and your chickenshit Dad had in common is that when the call came up for them to fight, they turned the other way. Wars are not only fought by childless men.
You're dad was just like Walz, he found an excuse to run. COWARDS, THE BOTH OF THEM!!!! ABSOLUTE COWARDS.. I hope this helps you in some way Mary to see that..
@@Dloopgrooparmed with a writing pad,pen and plenty of toilet paper.
@@ThomasRobinson-k9k and you and waltz are armed with a tampon and a windowless white van outside an elementary school in the USA. Combat veteran vs Coward. Easy choice for both of us i know it's what you are.
Why did Walz vote against Trumps bill for veterans??? Because it was Trumps bill!!!!
Ask Minnesota State about taxes in that state and why people are leaving that state.
The fact is Walz did everything he could to keep from going to the Middle East. he ended up going to Italy where he worked at shipping to soldiers that were actually over there fighting. The man's a liar
Also lied about his rank, I am sure he lied about even more than we already know.
Walz admitted he “ misspoke” - Dem-speak for “I lied for 20 years”.
He lied for 20 years but the only quote you find is him saying “that I carried in war” and was clearly used to reference that whilst he likes those kinds of guns there’s no need for them
So did Walz retire as a Master Sargeant or a Command Sargeant Major like it says on his official bios?
He had to drop a rank upon retirement for not having held it for at least three years. Adam Kinzinger explained this.
In everyday terms, he had probationary employment. He had to graduate from a two year school, the Sergeant Major Academy. After graduating, he had to serve an additional two years. Once those two years were done, he could have retired as a CSM. He failed to graduate and terminated his contract prior to serving his mandatory two years as stated in his contract.
Think of it as a guy in med school who didn't finish his last year or do his residency. Then goes around calling himself a doctor.
Retired Command Sargent major, but his benefits categorization is master Sargent, having been reduced months later.
@@lanefunai4714awful take, more like someone who has been a doctor for 20 years claiming they’ve been a doctor for 22. Forgetting they took a gap year or something of the sorts. What I’m saying is you republicans love to exaggerate when the general American thabks him for his service and doesn’t care about his rank you claim is fake, just like someone wouldn’t care if a doctor says they’ve been one for 22 vs 20 years. Snowflakes. It’s what you guys have become.
@@sneakyskillz2482 he was acting Sergeant Major when he decided that he didn't want to deploy. He terminated his contract two years early, and as a result of failing to fulfill his service obligation, he retired as a Master Sergeant.
As a Vietnam vet, who served 69-70, Walz was in the National Guard honorably for 24 years, it does not matter if he did was or combat or not, many do not, he gave service to this Country, as all of us have
Thank you for your service. It sucks to see such desperate attacks against people who served their country honorably. Especially when they are voting for Trump, who literally served his country in one of the most dishonorable fashions ever recorded.
Thank you for your service! I’m a 22 year retired vet and I am baffled as to why Vance would stoop so low.
Why because he lied. Hell they played a video of him lying. Not a retired CSM never “in war”. Not an OEF vet like he said.
@@idowrk8682 Trump called veterans losers and suckers, is a convicted felon, and lies every day. Stop clutching your pearls over a snippet taken out of context. Walz trained with weapons of war and deployed for his country. When did Trump deploy?
@@idowrk8682 ummmmm he was definitely in OEF which ran from 2001-2014🤦🏾♀️ ANYWAY who served during this time is an OEF vet, so I’m not sure what you are getting at. IF you served like we did then you would know that.
So how can you be a marine and carry yourself like Vance. I would of never thought Vance was in the marines. I know lots of marines and they wouldn’t be caught dead kissing another man’s behind!
What vance said is completely true
nope, it is not.
Let's look at simple math. Walz was in the national guard for 24 years (only needed 20 for full retirement) he reenlistment in 2001 for 4 years and retired in 2005.
In 2005 he also had a stapedectomy to correct hearing loss. Ask the simple question, would it be rational to send a man in his 40s with hearing loss to a war zone? People are idiots
Needs 24 if you're a reservist
It's pitiful that JD tries to lie and berate Walz's military career when his boss is Capt Bonespurs 😂
@@KarateDrSanDiego Chris LaCivita is with the Trump campaign. He's the guy who swiftboated John Kerry 20 yrs ago, who served in combat while Turump dodged the draft. These guys will stop at nothing. Expect more of the same. They are desperate.
@@gekisaidai1811 Walz retired at close to 25 yrs.
: JD is pointing out an in accuracy. Grow the hell up. Time served is one thing but embellishing the facts to validate your stance on gun control is pathetic. He's a Looser
all Vance talks about is nonsense. Sharks, diet Mountain Dew, Hannibal Lector, Eye Liner.
Local and regional news talk radio shows were putting this on blast today. Veterans are p!ssed off. So many calling in to the show who served at the same time were all calling it… B.S. on live radio and bringing the facts