Chess is dead. Here’s why.
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Was there a POINT to this video? Sorry but I started to OVERDOSE on Levy's BABBLING about 3 minutes in and had to leave before I croaked.
PIN OF SHAME
PIN OF SHAME
PIN OF SHAME
pin of shame!!!
You kinda got a point 😂 I was about to click off after the first minute.
Loved the part in the video where chess ended and all the chess boards in the world vanished without a trace. Thank you Levi!
Yea then chess 2 is coming out
Truly a Levi moment of all time
Origin of the magnusian gambit, found in your local cinema
😂
And then he gambited all over the place
I really appreciate how levy’s titles are always realistic, accurate, and most importantly, never clickbait!
That just is too funny 🙂
😂
Very true
Ah.... too bad someone else got the pin of shame. 🤣
Chess inspires me.. My parents said if i get 60K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging..
Love this format. Following a concept instead of a player or tournament is an interesting change of pace.
Absolutely... I was fascinated by how he addressed the similarities & differences for the same idea ❤️
yeah we need more of these
This was a really cool video. Would love more like this. "Evolution of this opening line" types of vids.
Respect for Levi
He never clickbaits his viewers
Edit: the comments are so funny that I'm not going to change levi
Who the hell is Levi? I know Levy, but not Levi
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Levi from attack on chess
@@Savedsmile Levi "GothemCheckers" Roseman
Lol
@@devieshtEren is mid Af
stop the clickbait
Hmm. Feels like a pin
No
I smell pin
Yes
Pin of shame i can feel it
More of this kind of content please. The evolution of chess theory is must-watch content and your delivery makes it fun
love these vids where youre exploring a bigger theme through actual games
keep it up Levy!
Honestly, the game has changed. At the top level of chess in classical, it’s basically, “I hope they don’t remember/ didn’t study this position”. It’s the end of chess for the classical version, not for rapid games, and especially not for lower elo games. But at the top level classical chess may be heading towards a memory game… so interesting
It's not interesting It's boring there is no creativity anymore and that's why Bobby Fisher hated chess back then
Why y'all talking like some GMs who played in these tournaments lmao. Chess isn't dead and won't die since new people will always be getting fascinated by the beautiful game so rich with history and masters from whom advice and instruction may be gleaned. Chess theory is what makes chess such a great hobby.
whats make you think that humans memory doesn't work when the game is only 10 minutes long? isn't that even less time for creative ideas and more playing from memory?
@@Dazecore I guess, but during the middle game it’s like 5 min so not a lot of memory
I remember bobby Fischer saying that chess is becoming a memory game and that the dynamic portion of the game is dying
He didn't know that there would be 4000 Elo bots who can crush human players in every single game. Humans can memorize all they want to but after they get out of book openings, they will always make mistakes.
Which is why he invented Fischer Random. Too bad Levi refers to it as Chess 960. But he gets paid to push pop culture and propaganda as much as chess, so that tracks.
@@evelynn4273he calls it fisher random at 26:55 so you’re just wrong lol
Wasn't chess always a memory game? People studying game was to know what were the best moves to play. Yes, it is now possible to remember more moves, but none of those players would beat an AI Bot any time soon. Alpha Zero doesn't seem to care about remembering lines. Maybe the next big evolution for human players will be a deep strategic one. But I know nothing, I'm barely an amateur.
@@droussel7359 everyone complaining about memorizing lines probably couldn't recall 10 moves of the sicilian if their life depended on it lmao
Despite the clickbait, this is one of your best videos to date. Super interesting and informative at the same time. You should make more videos on or related to this topic
I second this, such an interesting watch
Not really clickbait tbh
An obvious hyperbole cannot be regarded as clickbait.
Yes, it's hardly bait imo. Perhaps a better title could've been something like "the evolution of chess" or whatever, but yeah, it's a somewhat relevant title and I wouldn't call it clickbait.
@@-frcracked-8804I think it's just super vague, the title tells us nothing about what actually happens in the video
That is so interesting, amazing how the game keeps evolving after all those centuries and now faster than ever. Great breakdown, would more videos like this for other types of opening variantes.
Levy never fails to sac the rook inside of me
Levi*😊
levy sacs the rook in your open file⁉️⁉️😳
@@spookmeister4528in the open position to backrank mate you⁉️⁉️‼️❗️❓❓
@@Silly_Wawa_CatMoved it to the 7 file⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
@@TheCritikalGamer4so confidently wrong lmfao
I honestly couldn’t care about the click bait, levy is so good to watch, the way he breaks it down with such enthusiasm is what tunes me in everyday cl
What are you talking about is clickbait, is literally not, chess is actually ending the game is just becoming a memory game, levy literally explained all that.
Agreed but I'll never look back to rewatch a video if I wanted to. I'll never be able to find it.
legit, its something that I feel has set him up for success is his enthusiasm for the game
pretty much yeah@@Boritoman76
Same here.
Wish the comments here would talk about the video content instead of some snarky remarks about "mUh ClIcKbAiT"
This was amazing. I will watch it again right away. Can you do something like this for other openings too? 👍👍👍👍👍👍
This is one of my favorite videos in a long time. Fell out of chess a bit but this got me back
I just want to congratulate you on reaching the long name event in finals.
Congratulations🎉 levy aka Gotham Chess. YOU PLAYED SOME GREAT CHESS THERE. I WATCHED EVERY SINGLE MATCH WITHOUT SKIPPING AND I WAS VERY PROUD OF YOU.... PLEASE BE MOTIVATED TO PLAY SOMETIMES HERE AND THERE.....We all want to see you reach even higher in your career and chess. LOVE YOU MAN ❤
Glazing
This is a fantastic video! Great work Levy, loved it! Love from the UK ✌🏼❤️
I agree, chess is becoming more and more a memory game. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, its just how the hell of computer transformed the game. I'm a big fan of "fisher random" specificslly for this reason, i feel like it hoghlights the skill instead of the memory and its very interesting to watch/play.
What if people begin to memorize best strategy according to a computers analysis of different Fisher starting positions? How far could that also be prepped? Maybe all pieces and number of pieces should be randomized across the whole board to make any prep impossible.
@@alainacoffee3977 bro there are 960 possibilities in fischer random and nobody's going to learn 100 of lines for each one
@@murodjon256Indian gm: hold my stock fish
@alainacoffee3977 imagine a day when a grand master has no idea how chess works, but they just memorized board positions.
Levy never fails to clickbait us horrendously
Let's say, "Levy never fails to clickbait us horrendously" is true and call it "Statement x"
"Statement x" = true
"Levy -(never) -(fails) to clickbait horrendously" = "Levy always succeeds to clickbait horrendously"
Therefore
"Levy always -(succeeds) to clickbait -(horrendously)" = "Levy always fails to clickbait terrifically"
So the final answer is
x = "Levy always fails to clickbait terrifically" = true
@@SteveInLavano you’re overthinking he was correct you’re basically saying his clickbait is bad while the original comment states his clickbait is good
Chess isnt the most exciting. But Levys click bait brings that excitement everytime
@@vaz4043 Overthinking is underrated. Both me and the original commenter are saying that Levy's clickbait is bad. I just like to play around with people's minds lmao.
I love when Levy clickbaits deep inside me 😉
clickbait again
Pin of shame
PIN OF SHAME!!!!!
4 mins pin 😮
Pin of truth?
yep you are definitely a skibidi toilet sigma from ohio
This is super exciting! I'd love to see more like this.
Congrats on getting to the Final Levy, Great Matches!
Love to see you play!
fischer 960 random should be more integrated into championships, at least in a testing phase
FIDE can do that if they want, but most top players would rather play poker if they want a game with randomization like that. But it’s also that it breaks with a presumed tradition of varying the way the pieces move.
Many thanks Levy. A lot of effort went into this and its one of the more advanced level videos on this great channel. By the way video title is accurate and not click bait. I agree, Yes, Chess is a becoming an AI enhanced memory game.
Agreed.
The memorization is actually what really puts me off trying tournament chess. Anyone can check the other players opening repertoire and prep with an engine. If your opponent does this and you don't, then you will be at a disadvantage, so you are kinda forced into it. I don't find any fun in memorizing lines.
Preparing for your opponent is now easier and more effective than ever. But it's not the part of the game I enjoy.
its not really pattern recognition apart from endgame, more like pieces recognition but with quick intuition
Great video would love to watch episode 2 of this if it'd be possible.
I am here for Fisher random, and I would love way more content with it.
This was fascinating. Thanks.
I know exactly how to save Chess. In my version of Chess, every single piece is shuffled randomly accross the entire board. This could even lead to double Checkmate in zero moves.
you joke, but chess960 is essentially this. just with some rules to ensure "sane" positions
@@MenloMarseilles So you are saying someone already invented this?
That's too bad I was going to patent this idea and become Richie Rich!!!
I love the titles. I always try to figure out your angle before you reveal it. Got this one right. Ive thought about thia a couple times. It wont be long before a true prodigy to chess comes along and makes even magnus look human
Play the guys at Evergreen chess it will be fun to watch
Cool channel Levy needs to play Boston Mike and Brooklyn Dave
Your best video yet, and I've been watching daily for three years! Thanks man!
Dude this is a really cool video idea, I hope that you do a series like this where you show a new idea brought up by one of these players and then how other players show new ideas in the new idea. Super cool
Watching new chess theory be developed at breakneck page is truly fascinating. I don't it swaying a little bit further into memory is that big of a deal personally. Firstly there's such a huge possibility space for chess positions that i don't think it could ever become *just* memory, and secondly, what would "be really good at memorizing openings and positions" be if not "be good at chess"? I don't think theres any less merit to the games you won by having something memorized than there is to the games you won by calculating out a cool tactic or something.
That was an EXCELLENT deep dive, Levy.
This episode in my opinion reflects more than anything that computers are just getting us closer and closer to solve chess... more than ever before.
Highly agree on this take ... It is so unbelievable that it even is possible but actually the term "Chess is solved" is becoming more close to a reality. and btw: computers already solved chess because if you don't make them to premove some "Human" opening it will always be a draw so ... :/ We will see if Human will be possible to learn in way that more than 50%+ games will be drawn.
@@MasterMine009you don't know if computers solved chess. We don't even know what perfect play look like, there is no guarantee computers would always draw against perfect play without opening books.
@@MasterMine009 Computers do not play perfectly. The fact they draw each other most of the time does not prove they solved chess.
Congrats on the progress so far in the speed chess tournament!
Very interesting point raised about the memory vs skill gaps now emerging. I think that if only to provide new ideas, classical games should continue.
It's a shame that memorisation plays such a big part in chess, as Bobby Fischer pointed out. The good news is that you can choose how you want to play, as long as you are not trying to win major tournaments.
He went full Fisher with a modern twist. Yeah, Fisher said that chess became dead and boring maybe like 50 years ago with the "memorizing openings and moves" by players. And now with the engine telling u what the best move is...chess may become dead and just a game of memory.
Chess 2 can't wait to see it.
and all the while magnus sitting back there with a cup of coffee in his hands wondering that how 1 move can be the end of chess
That was the exact reason why Bobby Fisher hated chess back then and i don't blame him
Levy never fails to fill me up with his rook
Bruh
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and he sacrificed his ROOOOK
cringe
"Hey baby, are you an exposed position? Because I wanna slide my rook into your back rank and mate you" -GM Hikaru Nakamura
I prefer skills over memorama stuff in chess.
Really well thought and compiled video. Very intriguing. Looking forward to more interesting stuff like this.. 😊
One of the best uses of Roosevelts famous saying. In chess, I feel like I am usually trying to execute my "big stick" over "walking softly."
What really helped me improve my chess game is remembering what you said “checks, captures, attacks”
Could do random opening shuffle. See how the players maneuver the opening phase into the middle game and etc.
Like make some 500s play first 5-10 moves and then make the GMs play that.
Its super cool that Gotham never clickbaits us.
Chess 960 gonna be the future
Poker evolves in a very similar ways. Engines are very similar to solvers when it comes to their impact in the game.
Make other videos of other lines which were developed game by game at the top level of chess, it would make for an interesting series to see which lines had potential but failed completely and which ones became successful powerful
Truthfully a great video, the people need more like this with other variations
I'm sure Bobby Fischer would love what is happening with this position.. it's kinda freestyle for the moment, until it's theorized
This Levi guy is like my grandma
The thing I don’t like about rapid and blitz is the time scramble… high level chess coming down to a scramble devalues playing well in the opening and middle game. Has there ever been a format where there is a time limit per move rather than overall?
Maybe add timeouts that give an additional thinking time?
30 seconds per move, no carry over. Two timeouts that allow 5 minutes. Timeouts cannot be taken consecutively for one move.
Very good video, loved the format where you took an example and showed variations of the game. Appreciate the effort you put in consistently!
One of the oldest games and always room for improvement and innovation it’s epic!
It's sad to see chess ending, maybe we will need a sequel to fill that empty void left by chess being gone.
checkers?
Just play 5D Chess with Multiverse Time Travel. We haven't solved that game, yet. Lol
@@SuperBloopie Chess has not been solved either.
Hi Levy, will the book be available in Malaysia bookstores? Thanks and all the best on the day of your book launch.
I think shorter time controls throw the game even more in favor of memorization. And 960 is interesting, but favors White in some positions much more than in other positions.
Levi, it is all about the metagame. When you are strong against the common moves, you win more than you lose. Chess is officially an e-sport.
hes GM in disguise
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, this kind of content is so dope and educational!!!! I hope levy makes more of these!
out with the sarcasm
These are his specialty
@@Clear_Prodigy out with it!
i think this is probably the most intriguing video lately, very well thought and highly informative, thank you Levy! I really missed this kind of content 💜
Love your enthusiasm in this video! Thanks for all you do!
Huge congrats on ur book mr rozman
This kind of content is so entertaining, really hope Levy makes more videos like this.
It's as if everyone saw Magnus play it and were like "I wanna do that too!"
Congrats on your win today big dawg 🎉
Rest In Piece Chess, you were a great game and we shall not forget you
Let's all be grateful to Levi, he prevents about the 10th end of chess
In the Future gms will even learn openings for every possible setup in fischer random.
I remember reading that a good chess student is not one that says "yes, yes master" but one who says "but master, why?" The problem today is that the bots are the masters, but they can't tell us "why".
Keep this kind of content going! I was thinking along the same lines in terms of chess becoming more of a memory game and the format having to become shorter to really test creativity more than anything. Would love to see more on the evolution of chess theory!
Gotham always creates the most shocking video titles ever.
Funny thing about tech in football (soccer for some of us heathens); they ended up making the ball so perfectly round and smooth that it fucked the aerodynamics (a phenomenon called 'drag crisis').
Awesome learning video.. Evolution in chess.. Fantastic my favorite levy video yet.
The top computer move is always to sacrifice the rook.
Always a vibe when Levy continues the tradition of clickbaiting us yet again
@@George_7fhhfhfyes, Heisenberg
Really good video! Super interesting😄
I guess it depends on what we want chess to become. All of these games ended up turning into interesting games, even though they all started the same. There's still infinit artful classical chess to be had in the information age, it's just that extreme memorization of supercomputer openings is kind of a prerequisite to getting to it (At least, without falling way behind on time).
If we want to better understand chess, this is absolutely great. If we want to be more competitive on understanding chess, this is absolutely great. If we want to be more competitive on IQ-like chess skill, Fischer chess might be the one.
computer in Chess is like when High jump saw the Fosbury technique for the first time
God, that's a fantastic video! ❤
What a humble man never has he clickbaited us
Please more videos in this exploratory style
Whenever Levy says "the age of information and digitalization" it sounds like a Metal Gear Solid dialogue
I love seeing Rozen games analyzed by Levy this is definitely unique content for Levy
The ending of something leads to the great start of another.
- Martin 250 Elo ( Former Stockfish )
5D Chess with Multiverse Time Travel
stockmartin looks upon the expanse. He smiles. He's sees a gray wolf. Stockmartin has found food. All is good.
Whenever he mentions his book he should shout THE BOOOOOOOK
Levy, Can you please consider a book event somewhere in central Connecticut? I am sure the Connecticut chess community would be overjoyed. The New Britain Chess club is one suggestion to think about.
Gotham should do a collab with Levy Rozman
Levy never fails to mate from the BACKrank
Your speech is inspiring, big thanks for this video!
Your book just dropped at my house in San Jose, CA - I like it thus far.
A few days ago I was in the St. Louis chess club analyzing some positions in the alekhine’s defense with some friends and Levon Aronian just walked into the club and started analyzing the position with us.
That queen sacrifice was amazing... well done Eric 👏
I'm all down for the 960 competitions!
I've been watching Levy's videos for the past like 2 years. This is one of his best videos especially from a data analytics point of view. I really do appreciate videos like these every now and then although the usual recaps and low elo games are fun too. Good job Levy
Thanks for enjoying the video and not complaining in comments about the title :)
@@GothamChess Honestly, I don't mind at all. I would watch a Gotham video regardless of what the title is but sometimes I watch the video immediately if the title is catchy(clickbaity). So I can't blame you if you name them like that as long as you keep delivering great content. Btw, I'm Ghanaian and I watch your videos from Ghana, Africa.
Did you know Levy has a new book out? First I've heard about it, surprised he hasn't mentioned it before!