Given Boundary sell them for 200 bucks retail there's no excuse not to use them. The reduction in warranty and reputational loss has got to be in favor.
We actually did the drop test and they broke on the second drop. They didn't make the video because a drop test on a brittle metal OPG isn't exactly a fair test of strength since they will never experience a drop while in the motor. From what i am told, even upgraded OPG's will break during drop tests because the brittle metal isnt designed to take drops. Thanks ~ Chandler
Another great video!! Thanks for the thorough coverage of this mod. I know it’s a must to change the half shafts under high horsepower as your previous video has suggested. What about the driveshaft? That might be worth covering also.
Great question- The driveshaft isnt nearly as weak as the half shafts. Its one of those other "peace of mind upgrades" that is really only necessary for a seriously drag oriented car where the force of the launch could cause a break (slicks, big power, hard launch, etc.) If your goal is to have a serious drag car, just go ahead and do it for peace of mind. Thanks ~ Chandler with LFP
When you need ops: if you drive like a jack ass yes When you don’t need ops: have a safe rev limiter and don’t bounce of 2step or hit limiter on a shift Recommendations:if you can swing it definitely put some billet gears
I tried to have the local Ford Dealer install them while they were doing a tensioner warranty replacement and they would not install them...Now I have to pull all that crap off AGAIN!
dfreeman251 He wouldn’t install any aftermarket parts while under warranty, I even offered cash in his pocket and he didn’t want anything to do with it 😂
Many dealerships have a “no side work” policy for their technicians working in the shop. Any work done in the dealership - including work on personal vehicles - must be on a repair order for liability reasons. I wrenched at a Ford dealer with about 60 technicians and I can say it would have been difficult to sneak an oil pump gear job onto a timing chain tensioner repair without management finding out about it.
I just installed these on my 2015 even though I'm at stock power levels + a tune. I do drift the car and did not want to chance it turning 7500 rpms for hours at events
How hard is the job to do by yourself with a friend, both mechanically inclined but never did internal engine work? I‘ve already swapped turbos, countless intakes, exhausts, headers, changed fuel pumps spark plugs ect but never something that required getting inside the engine. Is it really that hard? If not, what‘s the complete parts list I would need to assemble everything again? (on top of opg, cs and damper). I want to be running 8000 rpm with a gt350 manifold and I drift the car. Such a shame ford went cheap on the opg.. look at the 2jz oil pump assembly and the coyote design will look like a bad april fools joke.
Have a question, has oil weight and quality affect the gear durability? Do you have an oil spec recommendation that's good for boosted and/or high rev applications?
Truthfully, I don't believe there is any date out there to support a claim that change in weight affects the longevity of any parts. FWIW we (at Whipple's recommendation) switch to 5W50 weight oil in our 2018+ Whipple cars. ~Chandler
Is this the same with a 2020? I might supercharge my car. I'm looking for a modest 600 rwhp. And I don't drive my car hard. I'd rarely be bouncing off the rev limiter
It blows my mind how no one addresses oil level and crank slosh 🤦🏽♂️ especially on a gen 1 with only a 7qt capacity, why do you think ford kept increasing oil capacity throughout the generations? 7qt gen 1, 8qt gen 2, 9 qt gen 3, 10 qts gen 4. Gen 1= most of that oil is going to be up in the motor, leaving the crank to just thrash any oil in the pan and coming back into the pan from the drain ports in the heads. Keep your oil levels above the fill line a bit. Every fillup, check it and top it off. You wont hurt your motor OR the OPGS trust me. And stop using 5w20. Use Shell Rotella 5w40 even if bone stock. And change it every 3k miles. Do some digging, i think AED tuning made a few videos about the oiling system of the coyote motors, he does a great job breaking it all down for you.
Why doesnt Ford install these from factory since not everyone has the time to pull their engines out and majority of these cars are going to be modded at one point or taken to the track often
@5:10 did you actually state the MMR gears are Billet Aluminum? FYI the stock gears are Sintered, which basically means they are made by compressing powdered metal in a hot environment.
At 5:56 he says the MMR's are billet aluminum? Doesn't he mean steel? The stock pieces are powdered (sintered?) steel, I believe? I've asked before: how much does it add to one of your builds to add a set of OPG's? I'm assuming it would look like this: a customer orders a car from Ford through you, you put whatever power adder on, and you have that all bundled up into a ridiculously attractive price -- so how much to add gears to the package?
Hey Michael, I did state the material incorrectly, a couple guys already caught me on it, though i cant exactly make a correction to the audio on a video. Anyways, we do the OPG install for $1,699 which naturally is the OPG, CS, all new gaskets, crank bolt, etc. ~Chandler
There’s a lot of talk about oil consumption for the GT350. Would you recommend doing this upgrade for the GT350 even if there’s no plans for forced induction?
They can be added to any of our S/C packages for an additional cost if the customer wants them. Our philosophy has always been to let the customer tell us what they want rather than forcing them to pay for things. Thanks ~ Chandler
Top tuners say you don’t need them and every Bob John and Fred says you do lol.. my 2019 ESS car had 788 rwhp and has 100’s of passes on it and 33k miles.. you don’t need them if you understand your car. A mustang can’t be over revved, not over rev the car and don’t hit rev limiter doing burnouts or a 2 step if you have a manual car. If you arnt doing any of that then the oil pump gears are perfectly fine.. don’t fall into the trap and pay $3000 for a shop to do this when half the time they don’t line the gears properly from the start and in the end you do more damage to new gears then the perfectly fine stock ones you had in the car haha…
You think I'll be okay with my 2014 5.0l? Has 2019 manifold. Full bolt on. 7700rpm.. never hit the limiter tho. Lund tune. Has the limiter out of the way and just shift around 7600 7700.
I have a 2017 mustang gt and im strongly considering supercharging my car. At what hp level do the oil pump become a real concern. My car is primarily a daily driven vehicle
Truthfully, once you push around the 700WHP level you should definitely start considering them on a 15-17 car. However, even if you dont have that much power, bouncing the car off the rev limiter as well as spinning past the factory rev limiter will also cause problems. So, its more about how you drive the car than just a power level thing. ~Chandler
Definitely not made of billet aluminum. Made from billet steel and hardened. The factory opg is made from sintered steel which will crack easily. Very inferior process.
From the factory, the GT350's do not need any sort of OPG upgrade. However, if you intend to go forced induction, we would recommend doing them. it's cheap insurance on an otherwise very expensive engine.
Not necessarily true. We havn't seen any official release stating that the OPG design has been reinforced or changed. The cars rev higher from the factory leading me to believe that some changes were made to facilitate the higher rev limiter. With that said, on a blower or turbo car that again raises the rev limiter, or a max effort NA build with a very high limiter, I would still recommend them. At the end of the day, its still cheap insurance for your heavily modified setup. ~ Chandler
@@carstuff4u942 you do need to upgrade tge OPGs steve. I own a 2018 gt and with only 3,000 miles and a few revs past 7,500rpms the OPGs broke and messed up many of the internal components of the motor. Note: i am currently waiting to get my car back from the dealer.
They are only an issue when ran outside of the stock setup. Modifying the car. It isn't any manufacturers fault when a vehicle breaks after being modified.
White metal is cheap, cars are built to a price point and must appeal to the masses.Someone at Ford thought these gears were good enough and cost effective. No different than the steel two piece driveshaft and the Chinese cast aluminum wheels. Yes you PP wheels are cast in China and are very heavy. Again it's about price point, not what the enthusiast wants.
Hello LFP! My 2018 GT has the oil light on and the flywheel is being replaced at Germain Ford. I only have 1,800 miles and about 2 months old. Here is the video of the car with a weird sound: ruclips.net/video/TSi5Gj7soVY/видео.html Can LFP offer any advice?
Billet oil pump gears should be standard from the factory in all performance vehicles.
Ford will happily sell you a billet steel OPG for $390. -.-
Given Boundary sell them for 200 bucks retail there's no excuse not to use them. The reduction in warranty and reputational loss has got to be in favor.
Do the drop test. Also I heard that the Rev limiter causes them to break. When you slap the limiter very hard it causes vibration and breaks them.
We actually did the drop test and they broke on the second drop. They didn't make the video because a drop test on a brittle metal OPG isn't exactly a fair test of strength since they will never experience a drop while in the motor. From what i am told, even upgraded OPG's will break during drop tests because the brittle metal isnt designed to take drops. Thanks ~ Chandler
Logical answer, thank you. Drop test doesn't mean weak gears!
Another great educational video, thanks guys!
Another great video!! Thanks for the thorough coverage of this mod. I know it’s a must to change the half shafts under high horsepower as your previous video has suggested. What about the driveshaft? That might be worth covering also.
Great question- The driveshaft isnt nearly as weak as the half shafts. Its one of those other "peace of mind upgrades" that is really only necessary for a seriously drag oriented car where the force of the launch could cause a break (slicks, big power, hard launch, etc.) If your goal is to have a serious drag car, just go ahead and do it for peace of mind. Thanks ~ Chandler with LFP
You only need OPGs if you're running a 2 step or maybe a TT setup. You'll chuck a rod before your OPG's break.
When you need ops: if you drive like a jack ass yes
When you don’t need ops: have a safe rev limiter and don’t bounce of 2step or hit limiter on a shift
Recommendations:if you can swing it definitely put some billet gears
I tried to have the local Ford Dealer install them while they were doing a tensioner warranty replacement and they would not install them...Now I have to pull all that crap off AGAIN!
What was their reason for no installing?
dfreeman251 He wouldn’t install any aftermarket parts while under warranty, I even offered cash in his pocket and he didn’t want anything to do with it 😂
Many dealerships have a “no side work” policy for their technicians working in the shop. Any work done in the dealership - including work on personal vehicles - must be on a repair order for liability reasons. I wrenched at a Ford dealer with about 60 technicians and I can say it would have been difficult to sneak an oil pump gear job onto a timing chain tensioner repair without management finding out about it.
I just installed these on my 2015 even though I'm at stock power levels + a tune. I do drift the car and did not want to chance it turning 7500 rpms for hours at events
Good information to know, I never knew will add to my list
2step and hard limiters kill stock OPG
You said in the video that the MMR are billet aluminum they are not. I believe they are billet chromoly.
Thanks for letting me know! I will have to give them a ring and ask. Doesn't look like their website states the exact material.
I believe it’s 9310 steel I have them in my 2018 with a whipple
How hard is the job to do by yourself with a friend, both mechanically inclined but never did internal engine work? I‘ve already swapped turbos, countless intakes, exhausts, headers, changed fuel pumps spark plugs ect but never something that required getting inside the engine. Is it really that hard? If not, what‘s the complete parts list I would need to assemble everything again? (on top of opg, cs and damper). I want to be running 8000 rpm with a gt350 manifold and I drift the car. Such a shame ford went cheap on the opg.. look at the 2jz oil pump assembly and the coyote design will look like a bad april fools joke.
Are you sure the MMR is aluminium? I'm pretty sure they are steel. The factory are powder sintered which makes them strong but brittle.
Have a question, has oil weight and quality affect the gear durability? Do you have an oil spec recommendation that's good for boosted and/or high rev applications?
Truthfully, I don't believe there is any date out there to support a claim that change in weight affects the longevity of any parts. FWIW we (at Whipple's recommendation) switch to 5W50 weight oil in our 2018+ Whipple cars. ~Chandler
Does the Gen 3 Coyotes need this too?
Great video Chandler!
Is this the same with a 2020? I might supercharge my car. I'm looking for a modest 600 rwhp. And I don't drive my car hard. I'd rarely be bouncing off the rev limiter
Hey u just earned a new sub ♿️💯
It blows my mind how no one addresses oil level and crank slosh 🤦🏽♂️ especially on a gen 1 with only a 7qt capacity, why do you think ford kept increasing oil capacity throughout the generations? 7qt gen 1, 8qt gen 2, 9 qt gen 3, 10 qts gen 4. Gen 1= most of that oil is going to be up in the motor, leaving the crank to just thrash any oil in the pan and coming back into the pan from the drain ports in the heads. Keep your oil levels above the fill line a bit. Every fillup, check it and top it off. You wont hurt your motor OR the OPGS trust me. And stop using 5w20. Use Shell Rotella 5w40 even if bone stock. And change it every 3k miles. Do some digging, i think AED tuning made a few videos about the oiling system of the coyote motors, he does a great job breaking it all down for you.
So if you have a full bolt on e85 cobra jet manifold setup and your shift points are at 7950 rpm you do need the opg’s?
Why doesnt Ford install these from factory since not everyone has the time to pull their engines out and majority of these cars are going to be modded at one point or taken to the track often
because there pricks
You do not need to pull the engine. I just did this to my 2015 actually not that hard of a job just need more time than a day which is all I had lol
Money. Just like everything else. They’re fine for a stock engine driven by a latte sipping liberal.
Cause it's not necessary unless boosted
Do I need them for my 2021 f150? I heard they have upgraded ones
What is the ballpark price to have this done at your shop?
@5:10 did you actually state the MMR gears are Billet Aluminum? FYI the stock gears are Sintered, which basically means they are made by compressing powdered metal in a hot environment.
Yea they are for sure not aluminum lol
its a great insurance for sure
MMR the best in the biz, if your gonna do the oil pump gear set, do the crank sprocket too, jmo.
Thank you!
At 5:56 he says the MMR's are billet aluminum? Doesn't he mean steel? The stock pieces are powdered (sintered?) steel, I believe? I've asked before: how much does it add to one of your builds to add a set of OPG's? I'm assuming it would look like this: a customer orders a car from Ford through you, you put whatever power adder on, and you have that all bundled up into a ridiculously attractive price -- so how much to add gears to the package?
Hey Michael, I did state the material incorrectly, a couple guys already caught me on it, though i cant exactly make a correction to the audio on a video. Anyways, we do the OPG install for $1,699 which naturally is the OPG, CS, all new gaskets, crank bolt, etc. ~Chandler
Lebanon Ford thanks!
There’s a lot of talk about oil consumption for the GT350. Would you recommend doing this upgrade for the GT350 even if there’s no plans for forced induction?
This isn't what causes excess oil consumption.
@@Saml01 that’s what I thought, but I didn’t know for sure.
Did you state that these are included with the whipple supercharger and twin turbo packages through your shop? TY
They can be added to any of our S/C packages for an additional cost if the customer wants them. Our philosophy has always been to let the customer tell us what they want rather than forcing them to pay for things. Thanks ~ Chandler
Top tuners say you don’t need them and every Bob John and Fred says you do lol.. my 2019 ESS car had 788 rwhp and has 100’s of passes on it and 33k miles.. you don’t need them if you understand your car. A mustang can’t be over revved, not over rev the car and don’t hit rev limiter doing burnouts or a 2 step if you have a manual car. If you arnt doing any of that then the oil pump gears are perfectly fine.. don’t fall into the trap and pay $3000 for a shop to do this when half the time they don’t line the gears properly from the start and in the end you do more damage to new gears then the perfectly fine stock ones you had in the car haha…
You definitely want the cam sprocket swapped if you're doing OPG.
We always do them in tandem, cant agree more!
You think I'll be okay with my 2014 5.0l? Has 2019 manifold. Full bolt on. 7700rpm.. never hit the limiter tho. Lund tune. Has the limiter out of the way and just shift around 7600 7700.
If you plan on ringin this out to 7700, just a matter of time.
We got billet opg and crank sprocket now. Lol
I have a 2017 mustang gt and im strongly considering supercharging my car. At what hp level do the oil pump become a real concern. My car is primarily a daily driven vehicle
Truthfully, once you push around the 700WHP level you should definitely start considering them on a 15-17 car. However, even if you dont have that much power, bouncing the car off the rev limiter as well as spinning past the factory rev limiter will also cause problems. So, its more about how you drive the car than just a power level thing. ~Chandler
@@LebanonFordInc thanks for the input
About if you just have FBO
Definitely not made of billet aluminum. Made from billet steel and hardened. The factory opg is made from sintered steel which will crack easily. Very inferior process.
What about a shelby 5.2? As that revs to 8250?
From the factory, the GT350's do not need any sort of OPG upgrade. However, if you intend to go forced induction, we would recommend doing them. it's cheap insurance on an otherwise very expensive engine.
Greatstuff
Whats the labor for the install?
We sell them as a package, installed for $1,699 including parts and labor, which also includes about a half dozen new gaskets and bolts.
How many hours labor and at what rate? $1300 in labor sounds a bit high.
I agree, those labor cost sound crazy!! Please break down for us.
Yep, I did some searching and most shops seem to charge ~8hrs labor on a stock motor to do it.
Honestly thats not bad at all. If i was ordering a lfp car id want it all done before i took delivery anyway
2018+ don't need these, correct??
Not necessarily true. We havn't seen any official release stating that the OPG design has been reinforced or changed. The cars rev higher from the factory leading me to believe that some changes were made to facilitate the higher rev limiter. With that said, on a blower or turbo car that again raises the rev limiter, or a max effort NA build with a very high limiter, I would still recommend them. At the end of the day, its still cheap insurance for your heavily modified setup. ~ Chandler
@@LebanonFordInc good to know.
@@carstuff4u942 you do need to upgrade tge OPGs steve. I own a 2018 gt and with only 3,000 miles and a few revs past 7,500rpms the OPGs broke and messed up many of the internal components of the motor. Note: i am currently waiting to get my car back from the dealer.
If you are going supercharged YES they do!
If these gears are such an issue, Ford should have a TSB or a recall.
They are only an issue when ran outside of the stock setup. Modifying the car. It isn't any manufacturers fault when a vehicle breaks after being modified.
Weak part of the Ford engine, just make a list. Oil pump gears, cylinder walls, pistons, cam phasers, etc.
White metal is cheap, cars are built to a price point and must appeal to the masses.Someone at Ford thought these gears were good enough and cost effective.
No different than the steel two piece driveshaft and the Chinese cast aluminum wheels. Yes you PP wheels are cast in China and are very heavy. Again it's about price point, not what the enthusiast wants.
I.M.O. you get what you pay for
Hello LFP! My 2018 GT has the oil light on and the flywheel is being replaced at Germain Ford. I only have 1,800 miles and about 2 months old. Here is the video of the car with a weird sound: ruclips.net/video/TSi5Gj7soVY/видео.html Can LFP offer any advice?
Billet aluminum.... LOL
Material mess up acknowledged lol. Can't always get everything right hahah
He said it twice! Good knowledge of the part!
What if I do FBO without a high rev limiter do you think I would need it?