I just finished my install. This video was a huge help. Thank you so much for taking the time to make it. That back pick up tube bolt is a S.O.B. to get to. I had to bend a wrench just like you did. I loosened the bolt a little and then tied some string to it so it couldn't fall into the oil pan. To put it back in I wrapped bailing wire (about 1.5 wrap) around the threads to hold it while I used my bent wrench to start it. I guess a magnet works too, but I didn't have one skinny enough.
That drop test has 100% eased my worry about the factory oil pump gears in my mild boosted Gen 3. I'm running ProCharger's off-the-shelf tune and I grandpa the heck out of my car. It's never once seen the rev limiter, and I'm installing the crank support sometime in the next few months. Thank you.
I don't usually comment on videos, but this was very helpful. I was telling my buddy that you guys missed spinning the engine over 1 turn before putting the right hand chain back on but you corrected that at the end of the video :) Good job and thanks for taking the time.
Sweet video! Great close-up and clean instruction. Would you happen to have a video for installing cams in the heads from the beginning? I will be getting my block back from the machine shop soon and would love to see how the experts do it. I will be rebuilding a Gen 2 motor for my 2017 Shelby GT 500. Keep the videos coming. Thank you!
Awesome video, makes it look not bad at all. Would it be possible to just loosen the pickup tube bolts and leave them threaded in? Rather than trying to finesse them back in?
a string wrapped around the lower bolt between the head and washer will allow you to hold it in place and have much better access to the head for a micro wrench. once it is a few threads in just pull the string and continue. the magnet blocks way too much space. you only need it to place the bolt then rely on the string.
Thanks for the video! Messed up pretty bad on re installing the driver side chain. I didn’t line up the links properly and turned the engine from 5 to 12 o’clock. Now I have the crank at 12 and my driver side cam L marking is at 6 o clock. How would I go by resetting the timing? Thanks!
Hey guys, just subscribed. I have a question. I have a 2016 mustang GT. I also have a 2012 mustang gt. I will be swapping the Gen2 motor into my Gen1. Is this something you guys have a video on on the process? I heard I need to swap oil pans and is a simple plug and play. I also will be watching this when I install the billet oil pump gears.
Jacob R. Doty welcome to the channel! yes I have been trying to do a video on a gen 1. I had one I was doing in a customers car but the engine turned out to be no good so didn’t get to make the video. That is the coyote down video I made. If you need the information before I get a chance to get a video made. Feel free to hit me up on Instagram and I’ll help you any way I can.
Stupid Fast Truck no problem and thank you! Yes everytime I see oil pump gears fail it worries me. But then I see people pushing crazy hp with stock ones. Better to be safe than sorry. I still haven’t changed mine out.
@@SpeedAddict731 Now that's interesting...I think the firing order is different too. Mine is a 2018 so that's a Gen 3 I think. Wonder if its different. Thanks!
Stupid Fast Truck yes yours is a gen3 the gen2 mustang and gen 3 mustang time the same. I’ll check on the gen 3 truck. It’s probably the same as gen 2 truck.
Great video! I'm a new subscriber. I'm just starting my swap and have a question about the phasers on the F150. I have a 2016 gen 2 truck motor that i installed 2016 Mustang cams and exhaust phasere. I was told that the exhaust phasers were the only ones that were different. I called a local ford dealer and had them cross check the part # and the intake phaser showed the same part # between the F150 and mustang for that year. Just want to see if you could verify this to be true as well. The engine seems to be in time.
mustang manny thank you sir. I like doing these videos to help others. I can’t wait to get back to the track also. This is my passion, working on cars and racing them. Thanks for the support.
Great video!! Been looking for a video for a walk through on this. More so on the timing aspect of it. Never played with multiple cams before. Guess its time to start ripping my '18 apart. (yes, i know the oil pan has to come off to install my gears)
MrDaavee thank you! Timing is the scariest part for most! Glad I made it to where people feel more comfortable with it. Yea the 18+ oil pan throws a curveball in there.
@@SpeedAddict731 The mechanicals was never an issue for me. That doesn't bother me at all. Even if i had to drop the K member to remove the oil pan like some claim. No problem. Was just the timing of multiple cams on a stupidly expensive engine is what worried me. You honestly made it look super easy. Total confidence restored lol. Thanks man!
Thanks sir. Great video! Quick question. Is the timing procedure the same for both f-150 and Mustang Gen 2 coyote engines. I understand that my F-150 sourced 2016 Coyote has the old / different firing order compared to the 2016 Coyote from a Mustang. I want to be sure I get this done without introducing valves to pistons...
Nathan Miller hey the timing procedure on the gen 2 f150 timing procedure Different from the gen 2 Mustang. Lmk if you need the instructions!!!! If your using mustang cams and phasers in the f150 engine then this is the same
Hey! I am having a difficult time getting the sprocket on believe it or not. All videos I watch it slides in relatively easy. Mine is pretty snug, I have a MMR one. I don’t know if you have any tips to get this on without damaging anything. Thanks!
I don't even have a Coyote car ..why am I watching this? Great content.. interesting seeing your drop test not have a single hitch.. I've heard people say they was brittle as a sugar cube..
HorsePlay Motoring Thank you and thanks for watching the video! They say the gen 2s are stronger than the gen 1’s. I’d like to drop a set of gen 1’s to test out. I finally did get them to break another day but I had to throw it at the concrete lol. Never broke by just dropping them.
When you rotate the crank after everything is timed, is it normal for the timing tensioners to fully compress and then decompress? I am having that happen right now and not too sure if it is normal because when the tensioners compress, there is a lot of slack in the chain. I put everything on and started the engine and I could hear the chain hitting the passengers top timing guide, or at least that is what it sounds like.
Congratulations on your Shelby just watched the video today. Getting ready to do oil pump gears and a crank sprocket on my 14 in a couple of weeks. By far the best video I have seen on oil pump gears and crank sprocket.👍👍 P.S can you do one on installing a Whipple😂
Jason Friedberg thank you. Contact me before you do the oil pump gears on the 14 the gen1 coyotes are a tad different in the chain removal/install with the timing! Hit me up on Instagram. I’ve been wanting to do a gen 1 video but haven’t had one to do yet. Well I had one but that went south because the engine was locked up.
Speed Addict 731 definitely will, have to go down to Chicago this weekend to do some work at the Ford plant. But after that is when I plan on putting my baby under the knife putting the oil pump gears and crank sprocket. Then putting my Whipple on been reading and watching every video I can on those two installs. Any help would be greatly appreciate.
Jason Friedberg Foxcast has a video where we were sitting a whipple in a coyote that is getting ready to go in a fox. The whipple install is the easiest install. Less modification than the TVS when installing on a coyote.
I just followed your procedure on my Mustang, but failed to watch it through to the end before actually doing the steps. BIG MISTAKE!!! While re-installing the passenger-side primary chain, the video skips (what seems to me to be) a CRUCIAL step, i.e., rotating the crankshaft a full 360 degrees BEFORE putting it into the 5-o'clock position. I followed the steps as they are presented - I only rotated the crankshaft enough to get into the 5-o'clock position as shown in the video, then installed the chain, tensioner, guides, etc. Then, with both chains on, I rotated the crankshaft a complete turn to make sure everything was still in position. The colored links on both chains are on their respective timing marks on the crankshaft and camshaft pulleys. But since I did not rotate the crankshaft a full 360 degrees before installing the passenger-side chain, I must assume that the left set of pistons is not sync'ed properly with the right set of pistons. I have not yet installed the timing cover, so I can correct this situation fairly easily - but I'm at a loss on the correct procedure to follow now that the camshaft pulleys are no longer in the positions where I started. (Also, I'm not sure if I damaged the engine - i.e., crashing a valve into a piston! Do you know if this is a non-interfering engine?) Can you PLEASE provide me with instructions on how to recover? I'm assuming the the driver-side chain is OK, i.e., does not need to be removed. But I assume I'll need to remove and re-install the passenger-side chain, and will need to rotate the camshaft pulleys to a certain position first. Also, how can I know for certain that the end result is correct? All the spark plugs were removed before I started the removal - can I put equal-length dowels into each piston (through the spark plug holes) to see that all 8 pistons are in their proper positions? What positions should they be in? PLEASE HELP!!! (BTW: you really should modify the video to make it clear at that step that the viewer should not do the step until viewing the final minutes of the video where you announce the correction.) Thank you!
Ken come do mine for me lol...from what I have read the boundary oil pump gears and crank sprocket seem to be the best and most popular....sweet 93 cobra
lb0193 yes the boundary gears and sprocket even came in a vacuum filled oiled package. If you do decide to do your oil pump gears yourself. Get ahold of me. The timing procedure on the gen 1 coyote is a little different.
@@SpeedAddict731 Ken!? Im doing this myself on a 15 f150 motor, but....but im swapping to oem gt cams as well, do you happen to have the instructions for that? As in cam install on mustang coyote gen 2. Thanks!!! Like your channel and content!!!
I have a gen 3 coyote NA but plan on superchargeing w a Vortech or Paxton or keep it NA and get a cobra jet . Do you think I should get oil pump gears before I do it ?
ponie1992 Thank you! Yes definitely need to do the intake cams on that car. But on the gen 1 coyotes Instead of crank at 5oclock on the left side it’s at 9oclock when removing and installing timing chains.
Watch video in its entirety before performing timing procedure on your vehicle! This video is for gen 2 Mustang Coyote engine 15-17 Mustangs! THE GEN 2 F150 COYOTE USES A DIFFERENT TIMING PROCEDURE . If your running a gen 2 F150 engine with gen 2 Mustang cams and phasers you can use this video also. Here is the link to the gen 1 coyote 11-14 oil pump gear install and timing procedure ruclips.net/video/_sAicJxtpgA/видео.html
Hey guys, at 15:08 did you rotate counterclockwise to get the passenger side chain on? In other words from the 5’oclock position to the 12 o’clock position was it a clockwise or counterclockwise rotation? Thanks so much for this video! 🤙🏽🏁
Matthew Pierce the gen 2 gears are stronger than gen 1 gears. But it’s kind of cheap insurance to be honest. The price of gears vs price of engine. Really the harmonics of running a 2 step or hitting the rev limiter is what kills them the most.
Great video. Best one I seen for gen 2. Can you show how the second chain is suppose to be timed? Does it matter which phaser the double link goes? Thanks in advance!
John Sommerfeld I talk about the other chain later in the vid. If you need more send me an email speedaddict731@gmail.com. Not sure what you mean by double link?
A freaking perfect explanation! Thanks man! Only question is, is it going to be different if you install cams. Since you have to remove the phasers? Curious as to how that works
Marshall Eng thank you. Timing is the same as far as main timing. You do have to time the cams together but that is real simple. I can send you the instructions if you need. Send me an email to speedaddict731@gmail.com.
@@SpeedAddict731 thanks for the response. Just did mine before a supercharger install and was worried but it’s been a couple weeks and no codes so I should be good.
I messed up! I didn’t set the cam phasers in the right orientation. I wish i would have seen your video before doing this. My passenger side chain came off at 12 o clock, but the L is phasing the fender. The drivers side came off at 5 o clock, but the cam spun when i pulled the chain off. Help!!!
I'm doing mine now. In other videos I've seen them spin the left bank 360 back to 5oclock then continue on to 12 o'clock to reinstall right chain. Did you leave that out of the video or do you go straight from 5 back to 12?
It’s in there. The audio messed up so I had to reshoot talking about it toward the end. But this video which we do on a gen3 which has same timing as Gen 2 is a little more detailed. ruclips.net/video/ueQAWbHxpaE/видео.htmlsi=rTEP2q7CCzQMQMyf
D Piazza the stock oil system is great. Don’t really see anyone doing anything external. Tuner is running over 900rwhp on stock engine and oiling system. The stock oil pump gears themselves get replaced due to chance of breaking causing oiling issues.
Boosted F150 had his break and it didnt end well , so if it happens even once i see no reason to chance it. Great video, glad to see your not messing around doin it by hand :) other than torquing of course
Richard Blythe Thank you! Yes I agree it might not ever happen but if it does it’s very costly. It’s worth it for the extra insurance and peace of mind. Yep power tools always for tear down. Going back you pretty much have to torque everything.
@@SpeedAddict731 From what i have read its related to blown applications and bouncing off the rev limiter though i dont want to find out. This will be my first upgrade with having a blower in mind along with 3.73 gears and the short first gear in the MT82 7 grand comes up fast.
Richard Blythe yes it’s the harmonics from banging off the rev limiter that are the biggest cause for the failures. Main reason my shift points are at 7400 rpm but my rev limiter is set to 7800. So I don’t have a chance to bounce off it. But in a manual sometimes you get there in a hurry like you said especially in a high hp F/I application. Like you said it’s better to do it and not need them than to break them and it cost you an engine.
@@SpeedAddict731 Its a shame a guy has to spend 35 grand and buy a car that needs another 5g to get it up to par. bushings, shifter ,OP gears, billet guuides LOL. I had my car 1 day and was making plans. Keep up the good info and your channel will blow up.
Richard Blythe thank you! Yep same here I bought the car and ordered exhaust and supercharger. Haven’t stopped spending money yet lol. But really these cars are a great starting point.
Only thing I’m confused on is, you said after left side chain is on, the crank will he be at 5 degrees and you have to rotate it one full revolution clock wise until it hits 12? Can you explain this part a little better
J_4.0 yes after you put the left chain on(drivers side) the keyway is At 5 o’clock you want to turn 1 full turn clockwise till you are at 5 o’clock again then rotate clock wise until keyway is at 12 o’clock. Then you will put the right chain on(passenger side).
ron nie it’s insurance. I didn’t run them in my 17 and had no issues. But I would have felt better if they were in there lol. Just something to help you sleep better at night. If you don’t put them in and something happens you will kick yourself. I took the risk and had no issues.
Could you briefly explain why you rotate the crankshaft one whole revolution clockwise and then continue clockwise to the 12 o’clock position prior to doing the right hand side timing chain? Why don’t you just rotate the keyway counter clockwise from the 5 o’clock position to the 12 o’clock?
Tyler Anthony Ford doesn’t want these engines rotated counter clockwise. It has to do with how the tension is on the chains. I go by the book when I’m showing someone how to do something. Leaves less room for error. The reason you go one full revolution around clockwise to 5 and continue to 12 is to get the engine back to the original spot that you removed the chains.
On the left side at 5, I forgot to turn it 360 and then to 12. Instead I just went from 5 to 12. Now that the time is wrong, do I just do it from the beginning like Ford says OR do I have to take a different approach considering the incorrect timing?
Yes but I did a video of a gen 3 with cam installation and have a more detailed timing information in that video. Here is the link. ruclips.net/video/ueQAWbHxpaE/видео.html
mattbo2003 15-17 Mustang engines all time like this. The cams time to each other with the secondary chain. Feel free to send me a message on Instagram if you need any info.
@@MarkWalters-hr4jq no they are not, ford performance sells an entire timing kit for about 500 or you can buy just phasers for 479, seems odd huh? But i found out the shitty way, couldnt line them up. And thats on a gen 2.
@@jetjoey19 Thank you sir. I did order the Ford racing kit a couple weeks ago just to be safe. It is a fair deal for all those parts! Really surprised that there is not more info out there on the need to swap phasers, kind of an important detail... Thanks again.
@@MarkWalters-hr4jq not a problem my man. Yea, ive seen 1 info video of that, and thats how i cam to see f150 and mustang phaser differ because of firing order differences
How come nobody drops the replacement oil pump gears?..... the stock gears are fine up to atleast 1000 HP just don't live on the rev limiter that's what breaks them
I would not trust gen1 gears to 1000. Gen2 or 3 maybe but I’ve seen people break those. One thing that some don’t think about is the crank sprocket. I recently was putting opg in a 18 Mustang and when I took it apart the crank sprocket was cracked. It’s more of an insurance thing with opg anyway. Oh and I’ve dropped a set of billet opg that I took out that wasn’t getting reused and they didn’t break. The drop thing is just to see if they would break. That’s not the type of stress that breaks them in an engine anyway.
Man I dont get my car, this is the 3rd video i watched, had the manual too, did exactly what you guys did like you said it's basically idiot proof and my car doesnt run lol God damn it that was so much work too, I'm gonna send it off to ford, have em redo the head gasket so they can fucking time it
the oil pump gears dont get impact from the side they get impacted on there vertical axis. they spin in the oil pump not flip. drop them virtical andntue out come is completely different.
Jake burch yep, we were just seeing if we could break them. Even dropping them(which type of hit is never duplicated in an engine) they didn’t want to break. I ran stock opg’s in my 17 supercharged gt with no issues. But some aren’t so lucky. I still think two step or hitting rev limiter is what takes them out.
@@SpeedAddict731 oh I totally agree with 2 step and rev limiter isnwhat brakes them. the shock there taking at 8k rpm hitting limiter has to be tremendous about of shock load. yea I'm going supercharged and I'm keeping the stock oil gears. I'm just not going to be hitting limiter and being a jackass with it. ya know. but great video tho.
Matt Soppa sorry about that. The video messed up. Luckily I was still at the shop when I realized the footage was useless and was able to add it in at the end! If you have any questions feel free to hit me up.
I just finished my install. This video was a huge help. Thank you so much for taking the time to make it. That back pick up tube bolt is a S.O.B. to get to. I had to bend a wrench just like you did. I loosened the bolt a little and then tied some string to it so it couldn't fall into the oil pan. To put it back in I wrapped bailing wire (about 1.5 wrap) around the threads to hold it while I used my bent wrench to start it. I guess a magnet works too, but I didn't have one skinny enough.
Michael Blodgett glad this helped you!! The string and wire is a good idea! That bolt is the only real headache of the job IMO!
That drop test has 100% eased my worry about the factory oil pump gears in my mild boosted Gen 3. I'm running ProCharger's off-the-shelf tune and I grandpa the heck out of my car. It's never once seen the rev limiter, and I'm installing the crank support sometime in the next few months.
Thank you.
Gen 2 gears are not having the problem like the gen 1's. Great video. I'm so much less intimidate doing my own cams now.
Modular Fox Body Thank you! I agree about the gen 2 gears not seeming to have the problem as bad as gen 1’s did.
I don't usually comment on videos, but this was very helpful. I was telling my buddy that you guys missed spinning the engine over 1 turn before putting the right hand chain back on but you corrected that at the end of the video :) Good job and thanks for taking the time.
darthmayxj Thank you!
Dude you are a lifesaver.
Man I appreciate the your videos. I trust the information coming from a ford technician. So helpful! Thank You!!!
Thank you!
Excellent video and description, makes understanding why you move the banks separately so easy. Great job!
Thank you!
Thanks for the video. I'm getting ready to replace my timing cover and this helps a LOT
Very welcome. Thank you!
Sweet video! Great close-up and clean instruction. Would you happen to have a video for installing cams in the heads from the beginning? I will be getting my block back from the machine shop soon and would love to see how the experts do it. I will be rebuilding a Gen 2 motor for my 2017 Shelby GT 500. Keep the videos coming. Thank you!
Hey Ken. Great video!! I am surprised you are not getting more views. You would think the whole world would want to see this!
Coyote carguy thank you sir. Feel free to share it wherever you want 😜. I’m still growing.
@@SpeedAddict731 Yes Ken your channel is growing nicely. your doing a excellent job!
Coyote carguy thank you!
Best video on the web for doing this. It's the most in depth. Great job definitely a video to save.
Nathan Smith Thank you!
Damn that camera work is amazing! Lol! Killed it Ken!
Foxcast Media yes sir. Thanks bro!
@@SpeedAddict731 Ken do you rotate from 12 to 5 or rotate one full revolution to 5 ?
You guys should've put on billet chain guides since you had it cracked up and the guides off.
Great video, I’m glad you went back over how to rotate the crank before installing the right and timing chain.
The Bullock Family Stories Thank you!
This video is a lifesaver Ken, thanks for putting it out!
Also the QR code’s on the cams will be facing up. Good job , Excellent video.
Mustang Guru yes they will! Thank you!
Awesome video, makes it look not bad at all. Would it be possible to just loosen the pickup tube bolts and leave them threaded in? Rather than trying to finesse them back in?
a string wrapped around the lower bolt between the head and washer will allow you to hold it in place and have much better access to the head for a micro wrench. once it is a few threads in just pull the string and continue. the magnet blocks way too much space. you only need it to place the bolt then rely on the string.
Great video Can you show how the second chain is suppose to be timed? thx
Ken for the win!
Jeremy Dover now we need to get it into the car 😎
Very good video bro best one out there hands down!
Good job, Ken! - Very complete and informative, appreciate it!
Jon Turner Thank you sir 🙏
Amazing video! If you could upload that workshop manual with the torque specs that would be great!!
Your best video so far, thanks for putting this together!
Yomar thank you and your welcome.
Thanks for the video!
Messed up pretty bad on re installing the driver side chain. I didn’t line up the links properly and turned the engine from 5 to 12 o’clock. Now I have the crank at 12 and my driver side cam L marking is at 6 o clock. How would I go by resetting the timing? Thanks!
Great job brother! Looks like a hell of a job in the car. Gonna have to do these on mine once we get boost.
Charlie Stavro thank you! It’s not horrible in the car. Definitely a lot easier on your back out of the car lol.
Hey guys, just subscribed.
I have a question. I have a 2016 mustang GT. I also have a 2012 mustang gt. I will be swapping the Gen2 motor into my Gen1. Is this something you guys have a video on on the process? I heard I need to swap oil pans and is a simple plug and play. I also will be watching this when I install the billet oil pump gears.
I just read through the comments and you said on gen 1 it's a bit different. Would you mind showing that when you can? Just subbed
Jacob R. Doty welcome to the channel! yes I have been trying to do a video on a gen 1. I had one I was doing in a customers car but the engine turned out to be no good so didn’t get to make the video. That is the coyote down video I made. If you need the information before I get a chance to get a video made. Feel free to hit me up on Instagram and I’ll help you any way I can.
Do you need to prime The engine after oil pump gear intallation? I whant to do that on my gen3 thanks good video!!
Thank you for this video, very helpful!!👍👍👍
BMB Motorsports no problem and thank you!
Good Job Ken! Thank you for making this video!
Whistlefish 13 thank you and your welcome.
Thanks! Glad I found this video. I need to put a billet gear in my Whipple truck. What happen to boosted150 scared the hell out of me.
Stupid Fast Truck no problem and thank you! Yes everytime I see oil pump gears fail it worries me. But then I see people pushing crazy hp with stock ones. Better to be safe than sorry. I still haven’t changed mine out.
Stupid Fast Truck hey just wanted to let you know the gen 2 F150 engines time differently from the Mustang!
@@SpeedAddict731 Now that's interesting...I think the firing order is different too. Mine is a 2018 so that's a Gen 3 I think. Wonder if its different. Thanks!
Stupid Fast Truck yes yours is a gen3 the gen2 mustang and gen 3 mustang time the same. I’ll check on the gen 3 truck. It’s probably the same as gen 2 truck.
@@SpeedAddict731 thanks man!
Great video! I'm a new subscriber. I'm just starting my swap and have a question about the phasers on the F150. I have a 2016 gen 2 truck motor that i installed 2016 Mustang cams and exhaust phasere. I was told that the exhaust phasers were the only ones that were different. I called a local ford dealer and had them cross check the part # and the intake phaser showed the same part # between the F150 and mustang for that year. Just want to see if you could verify this to be true as well. The engine seems to be in time.
James Drewery I will have to check on that for you.
Thanks for getting back to me... I'm almost positive the intake phasers are the same. If there different I cant find a part number.
I usually just mark the chains since the different gens have different procedures. Just to rid of any confusion
Great video Ken!you do great tech content!
mustang manny thank you sir. I like doing these videos to help others. I can’t wait to get back to the track also. This is my passion, working on cars and racing them. Thanks for the support.
Ken, why can't you turn the crank back from the 5 to the 12, vs having to turn it the 1.5 additional revolutions?
Great video!! Been looking for a video for a walk through on this. More so on the timing aspect of it. Never played with multiple cams before. Guess its time to start ripping my '18 apart. (yes, i know the oil pan has to come off to install my gears)
MrDaavee thank you! Timing is the scariest part for most! Glad I made it to where people feel more comfortable with it. Yea the 18+ oil pan throws a curveball in there.
@@SpeedAddict731 The mechanicals was never an issue for me. That doesn't bother me at all. Even if i had to drop the K member to remove the oil pan like some claim. No problem. Was just the timing of multiple cams on a stupidly expensive engine is what worried me. You honestly made it look super easy. Total confidence restored lol. Thanks man!
MrDaavee your welcome.
Great job very informative thanks brother
Is it different on the 11-14 motors? I thought for the left side chain, you move crank to 9 o'clock? Very helpful video, great job!
yes the gen 1 engines have a different timing procedure
Thanks sir. Great video!
Quick question. Is the timing procedure the same for both f-150 and Mustang Gen 2 coyote engines. I understand that my F-150 sourced 2016 Coyote has the old / different firing order compared to the 2016 Coyote from a Mustang. I want to be sure I get this done without introducing valves to pistons...
Nathan Miller hey the timing procedure on the gen 2 f150 timing procedure Different from the gen 2 Mustang. Lmk if you need the instructions!!!!
If your using mustang cams and phasers in the f150 engine then this is the same
Hey! I am having a difficult time getting the sprocket on believe it or not. All videos I watch it slides in relatively easy. Mine is pretty snug, I have a MMR one. I don’t know if you have any tips to get this on without damaging anything. Thanks!
About to get mine done how many hours labor should I expect
I don't even have a Coyote car ..why am I watching this? Great content.. interesting seeing your drop test not have a single hitch.. I've heard people say they was brittle as a sugar cube..
HorsePlay Motoring Thank you and thanks for watching the video! They say the gen 2s are stronger than the gen 1’s. I’d like to drop a set of gen 1’s to test out. I finally did get them to break another day but I had to throw it at the concrete lol. Never broke by just dropping them.
When you rotate the crank after everything is timed, is it normal for the timing tensioners to fully compress and then decompress? I am having that happen right now and not too sure if it is normal because when the tensioners compress, there is a lot of slack in the chain. I put everything on and started the engine and I could hear the chain hitting the passengers top timing guide, or at least that is what it sounds like.
Congratulations on your Shelby just watched the video today. Getting ready to do oil pump gears and a crank sprocket on my 14 in a couple of weeks. By far the best video I have seen on oil pump gears and crank sprocket.👍👍
P.S can you do one on installing a Whipple😂
Jason Friedberg thank you. Contact me before you do the oil pump gears on the 14 the gen1 coyotes are a tad different in the chain removal/install with the timing! Hit me up on Instagram. I’ve been wanting to do a gen 1 video but haven’t had one to do yet. Well I had one but that went south because the engine was locked up.
Speed Addict 731 definitely will, have to go down to Chicago this weekend to do some work at the Ford plant. But after that is when I plan on putting my baby under the knife putting the oil pump gears and crank sprocket. Then putting my Whipple on been reading and watching every video I can on those two installs. Any help would be greatly appreciate.
Jason Friedberg Foxcast has a video where we were sitting a whipple in a coyote that is getting ready to go in a fox. The whipple install is the easiest install. Less modification than the TVS when installing on a coyote.
Thankyou great tutorial
BoostedTM thank you sir!
I just followed your procedure on my Mustang, but failed to watch it through to the end before actually doing the steps. BIG MISTAKE!!! While re-installing the passenger-side primary chain, the video skips (what seems to me to be) a CRUCIAL step, i.e., rotating the crankshaft a full 360 degrees BEFORE putting it into the 5-o'clock position. I followed the steps as they are presented - I only rotated the crankshaft enough to get into the 5-o'clock position as shown in the video, then installed the chain, tensioner, guides, etc. Then, with both chains on, I rotated the crankshaft a complete turn to make sure everything was still in position. The colored links on both chains are on their respective timing marks on the crankshaft and camshaft pulleys. But since I did not rotate the crankshaft a full 360 degrees before installing the passenger-side chain, I must assume that the left set of pistons is not sync'ed properly with the right set of pistons. I have not yet installed the timing cover, so I can correct this situation fairly easily - but I'm at a loss on the correct procedure to follow now that the camshaft pulleys are no longer in the positions where I started. (Also, I'm not sure if I damaged the engine - i.e., crashing a valve into a piston! Do you know if this is a non-interfering engine?) Can you PLEASE provide me with instructions on how to recover? I'm assuming the the driver-side chain is OK, i.e., does not need to be removed. But I assume I'll need to remove and re-install the passenger-side chain, and will need to rotate the camshaft pulleys to a certain position first. Also, how can I know for certain that the end result is correct? All the spark plugs were removed before I started the removal - can I put equal-length dowels into each piston (through the spark plug holes) to see that all 8 pistons are in their proper positions? What positions should they be in? PLEASE HELP!!! (BTW: you really should modify the video to make it clear at that step that the viewer should not do the step until viewing the final minutes of the video where you announce the correction.) Thank you!
Robert Wolfman emailed you
Great instructions. Thanks!
Joseph Fisher thank you!
Once motor is in 12 o’clock position and you remove first set of guides and chain is it one full rotation to the 5 o’clock position
Awesome video Ken! Great content!
jay longton thank you sir!
Ken come do mine for me lol...from what I have read the boundary oil pump gears and crank sprocket seem to be the best and most popular....sweet 93 cobra
lb0193 yes the boundary gears and sprocket even came in a vacuum filled oiled package. If you do decide to do your oil pump gears yourself. Get ahold of me. The timing procedure on the gen 1 coyote is a little different.
@@SpeedAddict731 Ken!? Im doing this myself on a 15 f150 motor, but....but im swapping to oem gt cams as well, do you happen to have the instructions for that? As in cam install on mustang coyote gen 2. Thanks!!! Like your channel and content!!!
jetjoey19 thank you! yes I do. Send me a message on Instagram.
@@SpeedAddict731 I dont have an Instagram unfortunately. But ill email you.
@@SpeedAddict731 email sent to speedaddict731@gmail.com
I have a gen 3 coyote NA but plan on superchargeing w a Vortech or Paxton or keep it NA and get a cobra jet . Do you think I should get oil pump gears before I do it ?
Great vid thanks 🤘
Great video, Ken! I'm sure I'll do this at some point with my fox swap. Need to do intake cams at the same time.
ponie1992 Thank you! Yes definitely need to do the intake cams on that car. But on the gen 1 coyotes Instead of crank at 5oclock on the left side it’s at 9oclock when removing and installing timing chains.
@@SpeedAddict731 you just need to make a trip to SC and help a brotha install. 😁
ponie1992 man that’s a long drive 😎.
You never know though.
Awesome video brotha. Haven’t seen these detailed of a video for this. Still gonna bring mine to you though haha
Daily Driven Mustangs thank you. I can take care of it for ya!
Keep the tech vids coming 🔥
Adrain6845 yes sir ! I will be sure to do more in the future.
Watch video in its entirety before performing timing procedure on your vehicle! This video is for gen 2 Mustang Coyote engine 15-17 Mustangs! THE GEN 2 F150 COYOTE USES A DIFFERENT TIMING PROCEDURE . If your running a gen 2 F150 engine with gen 2 Mustang cams and phasers you can use this video also.
Here is the link to the gen 1 coyote 11-14 oil pump gear install and timing procedure
ruclips.net/video/_sAicJxtpgA/видео.html
Hey guys, at 15:08 did you rotate counterclockwise to get the passenger side chain on? In other words from the 5’oclock position to the 12 o’clock position was it a clockwise or counterclockwise rotation? Thanks so much for this video! 🤙🏽🏁
Never mind you answer it later 😅
So they passed the drop test , do they really need to be replaced from boosted applications ?
Matthew Pierce the gen 2 gears are stronger than gen 1 gears. But it’s kind of cheap insurance to be honest. The price of gears vs price of engine. Really the harmonics of running a 2 step or hitting the rev limiter is what kills them the most.
Great video thanks
Great video. Best one I seen for gen 2. Can you show how the second chain is suppose to be timed? Does it matter which phaser the double link goes? Thanks in advance!
John Sommerfeld I talk about the other chain later in the vid. If you need more send me an email speedaddict731@gmail.com. Not sure what you mean by double link?
@@SpeedAddict731 the 2 blue links and the single blue link. Does it matter if the 2 blue links line up with the intake or exhaust phaser?
John Sommerfeld on the gen two coyote it’s only one colored link one for the crank and one for the cam. Are you talking about the secondary chain?
@@SpeedAddict731 yes on the secondary chains.
John Sommerfeld send me a email to speedaddict731@gmail.com so I can send workshop manual pdf with instructions.
A freaking perfect explanation! Thanks man! Only question is, is it going to be different if you install cams. Since you have to remove the phasers? Curious as to how that works
Marshall Eng thank you. Timing is the same as far as main timing. You do have to time the cams together but that is real simple. I can send you the instructions if you need. Send me an email to speedaddict731@gmail.com.
@@SpeedAddict731 can you please provide me the instructions on timing the cams together?
Emmanuel Llamas what year and mustang or f150 engine? Also what is your email.
Emmanuel Llamas sent
@@SpeedAddict731 I didn't get anything yet
What's the main purpose for replacing the oil pump gears?
I lay a rag under the bolt area of the pickup. If they do fall they will fall on the rag and I can retrieve them easy
Mustang Guru that works great!!
What about the phaser’s in the gen2 F150 should they be changed also I’ve read that they are weak also?
Great video ken. Are there any signs a car may be out of timing if this was not done correctly?
Thank you. Yes you will get cam/crank correlation codes and it will run rough.
@@SpeedAddict731 thanks for the response. Just did mine before a supercharger install and was worried but it’s been a couple weeks and no codes so I should be good.
@@50bigg50 yea that’s one of those things you know right after startup.
@@SpeedAddict731 gotcha thanks again man.
great video very helpful for sure
sam constantino Thank you!
I messed up! I didn’t set the cam phasers in the right orientation. I wish i would have seen your video before doing this. My passenger side chain came off at 12 o clock, but the L is phasing the fender. The drivers side came off at 5 o clock, but the cam spun when i pulled the chain off. Help!!!
I'm doing mine now. In other videos I've seen them spin the left bank 360 back to 5oclock then continue on to 12 o'clock to reinstall right chain. Did you leave that out of the video or do you go straight from 5 back to 12?
It’s in there. The audio messed up so I had to reshoot talking about it toward the end. But this video which we do on a gen3 which has same timing as Gen 2 is a little more detailed.
ruclips.net/video/ueQAWbHxpaE/видео.htmlsi=rTEP2q7CCzQMQMyf
You’re making good power while using the factory style oil system; do you know how far people are taking it before needing an external pump?
D Piazza the stock oil system is great. Don’t really see anyone doing anything external. Tuner is running over 900rwhp on stock engine and oiling system. The stock oil pump gears themselves get replaced due to chance of breaking causing oiling issues.
Awesome that is good to know.
Do the fox bodies have oil pump gears too? I had never heard of this. Although I'm not a great mechanic.
No, modular motors only
@@4eyefox Gotcha. Thank you!
GearHead704 if you put a coyote in them they do 😜
@@SpeedAddict731 😄
Thanks for taking the time to record this video. This is definitely going to come handy when boosting my 5.0.
Loscar5oh thank you and your welcome!!!
Boosted F150 had his break and it didnt end well , so if it happens even once i see no reason to chance it. Great video, glad to see your not messing around doin it by hand :) other than torquing of course
Richard Blythe Thank you! Yes I agree it might not ever happen but if it does it’s very costly. It’s worth it for the extra insurance and peace of mind. Yep power tools always for tear down. Going back you pretty much have to torque everything.
@@SpeedAddict731 From what i have read its related to blown applications and bouncing off the rev limiter though i dont want to find out. This will be my first upgrade with having a blower in mind along with 3.73 gears and the short first gear in the MT82 7 grand comes up fast.
Richard Blythe yes it’s the harmonics from banging off the rev limiter that are the biggest cause for the failures. Main reason my shift points are at 7400 rpm but my rev limiter is set to 7800. So I don’t have a chance to bounce off it. But in a manual sometimes you get there in a hurry like you said especially in a high hp F/I application. Like you said it’s better to do it and not need them than to break them and it cost you an engine.
@@SpeedAddict731 Its a shame a guy has to spend 35 grand and buy a car that needs another 5g to get it up to par. bushings, shifter ,OP gears, billet guuides LOL. I had my car 1 day and was making plans. Keep up the good info and your channel will blow up.
Richard Blythe thank you! Yep same here I bought the car and ordered exhaust and supercharger. Haven’t stopped spending money yet lol. But really these cars are a great starting point.
Nice work man
GSHeverything _27 thank you!!
Made that look easy!
Nickel white S550 it’s really not that bad. Definitely a lot easier out of the car lol.
Only thing I’m confused on is, you said after left side chain is on, the crank will he be at 5 degrees and you have to rotate it one full revolution clock wise until it hits 12? Can you explain this part a little better
J_4.0 yes after you put the left chain on(drivers side) the keyway is At 5 o’clock you want to turn 1 full turn clockwise till you are at 5 o’clock again then rotate clock wise until keyway is at 12 o’clock. Then you will put the right chain on(passenger side).
Great video
Justin Young Thank you!!
Good to know..
For Gen. 3 where do you get the oil pump better than a factory
thank boss
What brand is your torque wrench? I can’t find any that have the ability to read inch, foot AND degree.
Snap on
So I’m fixing to do mine in my 18’, do I have to pull the intake also?
505 5.0 Poole no
2018 mustang gen 3 same as gen 2?
In your OPINION is it worth changing out the oil pump gears?
ron nie it’s insurance. I didn’t run them in my 17 and had no issues. But I would have felt better if they were in there lol. Just something to help you sleep better at night. If you don’t put them in and something happens you will kick yourself. I took the risk and had no issues.
What was the mileage on this beautiful power plant?
jetjoey19 new with no miles.
Could you briefly explain why you rotate the crankshaft one whole revolution clockwise and then continue clockwise to the 12 o’clock position prior to doing the right hand side timing chain? Why don’t you just rotate the keyway counter clockwise from the 5 o’clock position to the 12 o’clock?
Tyler Anthony Ford doesn’t want these engines rotated counter clockwise. It has to do with how the tension is on the chains. I go by the book when I’m showing someone how to do something. Leaves less room for error. The reason you go one full revolution around clockwise to 5 and continue to 12 is to get the engine back to the original spot that you removed the chains.
Thank makes sense now. Thank you! I’m going to be doing my install in a few weeks, and this video was extremely helpful.
Tyler Anthony if you have any questions during install feel free to send message on instagram
On the left side at 5, I forgot to turn it 360 and then to 12. Instead I just went from 5 to 12.
Now that the time is wrong, do I just do it from the beginning like Ford says OR do I have to take a different approach considering the incorrect timing?
Send me an email at speedaddict731@gmail.com
is this the same procedure for the gen 3?
Yes but I did a video of a gen 3 with cam installation and have a more detailed timing information in that video. Here is the link.
ruclips.net/video/ueQAWbHxpaE/видео.html
Good vid....
Is there more than one way the phasers line up if you were to replace the cams? I have a 2015 truck engine and I ordered all 4 mustang cams.
mattbo2003 15-17 Mustang engines all time like this. The cams time to each other with the secondary chain. Feel free to send me a message on Instagram if you need any info.
@@SpeedAddict731 With a gen 2 truck engine like he has are the phasers the same as the mustangs?
@@MarkWalters-hr4jq no they are not, ford performance sells an entire timing kit for about 500 or you can buy just phasers for 479, seems odd huh? But i found out the shitty way, couldnt line them up. And thats on a gen 2.
@@jetjoey19 Thank you sir. I did order the Ford racing kit a couple weeks ago just to be safe. It is a fair deal for all those parts! Really surprised that there is not more info out there on the need to swap phasers, kind of an important detail... Thanks again.
@@MarkWalters-hr4jq not a problem my man. Yea, ive seen 1 info video of that, and thats how i cam to see f150 and mustang phaser differ because of firing order differences
Is this the same as the 15-17 F150 5.0 ?
No
Is there a gasket from pump to engine?
William Hensley no
How come nobody drops the replacement oil pump gears?..... the stock gears are fine up to atleast 1000 HP just don't live on the rev limiter that's what breaks them
I would not trust gen1 gears to 1000. Gen2 or 3 maybe but I’ve seen people break those. One thing that some don’t think about is the crank sprocket. I recently was putting opg in a 18 Mustang and when I took it apart the crank sprocket was cracked. It’s more of an insurance thing with opg anyway. Oh and I’ve dropped a set of billet opg that I took out that wasn’t getting reused and they didn’t break. The drop thing is just to see if they would break. That’s not the type of stress that breaks them in an engine anyway.
The gears in the Gen2 are more robust than the Gen1. On the outer ring
Mustang Guru yea the gen 1’s are the weakest.
Man I dont get my car, this is the 3rd video i watched, had the manual too, did exactly what you guys did like you said it's basically idiot proof and my car doesnt run lol God damn it that was so much work too, I'm gonna send it off to ford, have em redo the head gasket so they can fucking time it
the oil pump gears dont get impact from the side they get impacted on there vertical axis. they spin in the oil pump not flip. drop them virtical andntue out come is completely different.
Jake burch yep, we were just seeing if we could break them. Even dropping them(which type of hit is never duplicated in an engine) they didn’t want to break. I ran stock opg’s in my 17 supercharged gt with no issues. But some aren’t so lucky. I still think two step or hitting rev limiter is what takes them out.
@@SpeedAddict731 oh I totally agree with 2 step and rev limiter isnwhat brakes them. the shock there taking at 8k rpm hitting limiter has to be tremendous about of shock load. yea I'm going supercharged and I'm keeping the stock oil gears. I'm just not going to be hitting limiter and being a jackass with it. ya know. but great video tho.
What size bolt head is on the crank pulley bolt?
Cornfed 5.0 18mm
Do someone needs to do this, if they ONLY have Bolts On?
GSHeverything _27 depends on how high your revving and if your using two step.
@@SpeedAddict731 thank you sir, that video was very informative.
I guess I should've waited until the end for the explanation of rotating the crank 360 then to 12 o'clock, doh! Gotta redo mine
Matt Soppa sorry about that. The video messed up. Luckily I was still at the shop when I realized the footage was useless and was able to add it in at the end! If you have any questions feel free to hit me up.
@@SpeedAddict731 Thanks Ken, video was super helpful, just anxious now to get back home and re time it. The procedure is easier than a 3V!
Matt Soppa Thank you! yes alot easier than a 3valve!
@@SpeedAddict731 Just realized I was replying under the wrong account, haha
Matt Soppa I was wondering if that was the same Matt Soppa with the sick swap. Almost asked! Man I love your car. Subscribed to the channel!
Is there a certain way the gears face .
Alex Rodriguez looking at the instructions from boundary, they say with the writing facing you.
Are the faces the same. On both ends
Sides
I already installed everything lol
My gears didn’t come with instructions