Aren Maeir | New Light on the Biblical Philistines: Recent Study on the Frenemies of Ancient Israel
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2014
- Aren M. Maeir, Professor, The Martin (Szusz) Department of Land of Israel Studies and Archaeology, Bar-Ilan University and Director, The Tell es-Safi/Gath Archaeological Project, The Institute of Archaeology
The Philistines are well-known from biblical texts as one of the main adversaries of the ancient Israelites. At the same time, the biblical narrative indicates that other types of interactions also were the norm. Recent excavations in Philistia, and in particular those at Tell es-Safi, biblical Gath of the Philistines, hometown of Goliath, have provided exciting evidence of the very complex interaction between these two cultures, revealing the multi-layered facets of what could be termed a Frenemy relationship between the Philistines and Israelites. In addition, recent finds have very much changed our understandingof who the Philistines were, where they came from, and how their culture formed, transformed, and eventually disappeared. These topics will be addressed in this lecture.
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Thanks for this - thanks for youtube. I can sit here in mountains sipping my soup and learn. I am grateful.
+inurufu Glad to read it!
Me too! Just about exactly what you have written.
Blessings and thank you from Tuovi in Finland!
Ibid, in the Rockies. Great stuff.
looking at the flatiron mountains in CO right now! great video, thanks!
If in a thousand years someone find bones of cats ands dogs in my garden, I better let a note next to the bones that I did not eat them , but just buried them with love.
S. Kertanguy That should be easy to detect. When we eat an animal with bones, we tear apart the skeleton
@@scienceexplains302 yes, and there are usually knife marks on the bones. (Something I learned on time team).
That said they may think Kertanguy treated them as gods and it was ritual deposition.
Jesse Morrow As gods no, I have only one, but as different children of the family, our cats had all happy long lives within the family, most of them lived between 18 and 20 years, only one died young (5y) because he went to play on the road ( forbidden, but you know cats also don't listen sometimes) that poor one met a car. :( .
an engraving would work! paper usually decays over time
Perhaps you simply sacrifice them whole to your deity....🤔🤔
to add, the humour in the lecture, makes it easy to listen to...make it a usual addition...I'm sure folks will be very pleased...;) L.
Layna8 blessed!
Most enlightening and to the point of actually being able to interpret the scripts is fantastic. ❤love honor and respect for all people in this world.
bluddy brilliant lecture. really brings some passages from the old testament to light
Yeah, but Mr. Maeir's doubt of the truth of the Bible is troubling.
Great lecture. Thank you very much! Not too often I see scholarly lectures being given with burning interest!
Thanks!
Thank you for the lecture. It was very insightful.
Thank you for a brilliant presentation.
Excellent and insightful lecture!
Thanks!
"A berserk Philistine warlord will come after you!" LOL priceless, what a great presentation.
Z Ze
Fantastic lecture! Biblical archaeology is always fascinating and one need not be religious at all to appreciate it.
Archaeology and religion are cousins.
@@lieferic9 You couldn't be more wrong. ruclips.net/video/wTCVh4CXyi0/видео.html
@@lieferic9 Because they both focus on dead, old stuff? :D
@@sangwaraumo Yes and furthermore because ancient artifacts have a mystical appeal that supports religion.
@@lieferic9 Hmmm... There are some cases when archeology shows scripture to be wrong.
Great presentation, Shalom.
Excellent lecture!!! This is, pretty much, the first lecture I've been to watch from start to finish because 1. the lecturer is very, very good & not boring for even a minute 2. both the video and the sound are very well done! With most filmed lectures it sounds like the lecturer is mumbling... from another room. 😉
Really bright guy. Thanks for uploading this.
+tobigforyou Glad you enjoyed it!
Great work by your team, and a fine presentation.
That was great! Explained a lot for me biblically as well as scientifically. 👏👏👏
I always was fascinated that the name "Goliath" might be the same as the Greek name "Kalliades".
very much so
I’m looking at the migration (thanks to Assyrians) of the Indus Valley under cooperation with the “greeks”… an elderly woman that came from germany ww1 to US and when she said the word “Greek” it was in a sentence that was referring to war and the people who fought wars. I asked if she meant the people from Greece and she said “Greek” means someone who was “for war” or someone who was a mercenary. I found that interesting. Could Goliath be gilead?
Ghul in Arabic means A Monster or a Giant. It's Semitic
You must consider the Greek word "ογκόλιθος" (ogolithos) meaning huge rock. Although we will never know this guy's name, to my Greek ear Goliath is a poor transliteration of the term Ogolithos (which could not sound much different in Mycenaean Greek than it would today), that Jews tried to do. They probably were listening Goliath's mates calling him Ogolithos, implying he is the huge rock protecting them, their champion, but Jews thought it is his name. Philistines were Mycenaean Greeks, either from the tribe of Pelasgians or the citizen of Pylos, just like all the Sea Peoples. It is the Odyssey that describes the social framework and the actions of the Sea Peoples. After a 20 year war against the Hittite empire and while raiding all Hittite allies and Egypt, they returned home. But the social upheaval and revolution overthrew the ruling class and thousands of war veterans with many ships and fully equipped for war were forced to take their families and seek new lands. They did succeed to colonize Asia Minor, Cyprus and the Libyan coast, but failed in Egypt and only managed to settle in Palestine for a few centuries. In Greek history it is called the First Greek Colonisation.
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Philistines were Canaanites who spoke a Semitic Canaanite language. The archaeology evidence this. There is no archaeological trace of Greek language in the land of Canaan before Alexander's invasion. Which happened 700 years after king David.
A very interesting lecture. I learned a great deal. A small nit-picking detail - nutmeg might have reached the Levant via Sri Lanka, but it can only have come from eastern Indonesia.
Connecticut the nutmeg state USA
Thank you! That was excellent!
During the Gulf War I volunteered to work on a Kibbutz and was assigned to Gat. Tel Gat is at the bottom of the hill where the Kibbutz is located. I have tilled the fields where Goliath walked.
There was no Goliath
@@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694 do you know or just believe there was no goliath?
@@ProgPiglet 😅😅
Very cool.
Excellent lecture.
Awesome 👏🏼 thank you.
at 40:50-42:10 Prof. Maeir says that they found residues of cinnamon and nutmeg from Sri Lanka (at around 900BC-1000BC - Iron age IIa); this would mean that long distance trade did not stop with the bronze age collapse. Interesting if long distance trade during the iron age was still quite as important as during the bronze age.
I suppose that political structures changed seriously on a local base (places with the new 'industry' became more important and influential), but the big structures of trade routes were not suffering essentially - in fact, iron brought new goods and new wealthy customers.
akronymus And i assumed that the iron age was about substituting iron for bronze - iron would not require tin (this had to be brought in from far away places), therefore trade over long distances would not be quite as important..
Michael Moser
Good point about the tin. May be the side-effects (trading silk, spices, ...) were lucrative enough to keep the thing going.
On the other hand, it must have taken a lot of years to completely substitute bronze. Early iron makers couldn't cover the demand on metal things.
The Bronze Age collapse didn't effect India or China, they still traveled the Silk Road for trade. The trading helped rebuild the civilizations that had collapsed.
@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 Its not the Indians and Chinese who trading with the Greeks, its the Greeks who going there. Ancient Chinese never traveled beyond Gobi desert, Greeks expand the trade settlements close to China and India.
Awesome presentation!
Regarding the ...hmmm... gold hemorrhoid thingies, if you've ever suffered from hemorrhoids (the external type) they hurt much less if you push them "back in from whence they came ".
This task can be accomplished using your finger BUT I think, if I were a Philistine, I would've preferred using one of those "thingies". 😉
Circular fire pits are a matter of practicality if one is living somewhere where the winds shift frequently and unexpectedly- like mountainous islands. In fact in the islands around Greece we also see fruits and vegetables lovingly grown in a circle rather than allowing them to grow upright. It is a protective measure against the wind. Mongol Yurts are another example.
A very good lecture.
Very informative thank you
I loved this lecture
The new light needs to be put on Dominique goerlitz discovery of iron plate and magnetite traces in the giza pyramid showing iron iron was in use as the Bible says in Genesis 4:22, before the flood, when you consider Cambridge University studies show that Australian Aborigines languages are only 4000 years old , it is worth watching Kurt Wises video in depth explanation of Noah’s flood, can you make any sense of how an earthquake could take millions of years to cross America?
It is sad we don't see where you are pointing with your laser on the video, this conference is so interesting .Thank you.
Thank you!
Why was it assumed previously that there was no trade with Asia? There's examples of Sumerian cylinder seals with both Sumerian and Indus script.
And even now, 5k years later we are still trading and producing them😀
in 33.00 the story of Samson didn't happen in a phiilistine temple, and the phiilistine temple are not the only temples to have two pillars infront of the enterens. actually phenishian, greek, egyptian, even jewish temples had two pillars infront of the enterens
Thank you for a interesting lecture! Shalom
I loved you in that thing I saw you in!! But seriously you were under a tent and the other guy travels to sights in the Torah You were humble but well spoken and entertaining just like now Shalom.
What if that jerusalem jar was not "sent" to the Philistines, but was...well...purloined, stolen, swiped from some other Israelite territory? As for the seed system, isn't there a grain storage system in Egypt from approx Joseph's time?
There's a *story* about a grain storage system in Egypt from approx Joseph's time.
As far as I am aware the Joseph whose presence is attested from seals in Avaris would have been dead and gone centuries before the Phillistines turned up on the shores of Canaan.
For that matter the Hyksos were exiled centuries earlier than that time also.
@@mnomadvfx Isn't it possible for the good ideas of a deceased person to be put to use for a long while, even centuries, beyond that person's demise?
@@rosemcguinn5301 Indeed, and in Biblical accounts the bronze serpent from Moses' time survived up until Hezekiah, who ordered it destroyed because people were worshipping it.
Unlike us, ancient people valued crafted items since they took time to produce. It's definitely within possibility that the Israelite jar may not be a gift but a loot, or trade goods.
How do you find out that some people left or died if you don't find their tombs or their bones anywhere ?
Now you’re thinking,and that is not allowed 🚫 😄👁👍
wow such leaps of faith
@18:04 The Palestinian city was not abandoned in 1948. The people were expelled. They were driven/forced out. Big difference.
Suryaya Music absolutely. I am a Palestinian Christian. We are no different then our Palestinian Muslim brethren who get massacred and driven out of our lands. Why is it ok for Palestinians to be replaced and erased?
@@beebee242Yes, it's disgusting.
I hate my country is supporting Fascism and Genocide! 😡🤡
Nope. The powermongers among them lied saying the Jews would exterminate them if they didnt leave. ( and if they didnt leave they were terrorized by their own leaders.)
How funny it is for someone who wandered all over the world to come back to talk about the history of a land he heard about in manuscripts that also traveled all over the earth and, by coincidence, were neither damaged nor distorted!!! Academically, this is like a children's bedtime story
42:00---Others have remarked also that the Philistines didn't have a very robust maritime culture. But they came by sea to build Palestine, and their ongoing links with Crete and elsewhere simply had to be supported by ships, trade and contacts. We'll probably never find any Philistine maritime remains but we can hope for a sunken ship!
Disagree and I return the charge. Study the fine archaeo-details in Oren, ed., 'Sea Peoples & Their World,' in Yasur-Landau's latest 'Philistines & Aegean Migration,' in L. Hitchcock's many new works; plus new digs at Gath, Ekron, Tel Qasile just for ex's. Philistines had elements of many tribes, and these shared very similar traits/practices from north to south places. They didn't hoist a flag/rule by armies/write history, and didn't miss any of it. Their ships and their clear Aegean/Minoan ancestors' boats were all they needed to be.
If they do find ships, this guy will explain how they're proof of Israelites existence.
Shouldn't the archaeological evidence of the Philistines/Sea Peoples reflect their origin? Shouldn't the pottery, building style, etc. be closely similar to late Bronze age artifacts found in their original locations? This is why none of the stories or explanations make sense to me - because the archaeologists have discovered numerous artifacts which they attribute to the Philistines/Sea Peoples, but they never seem to be able to trace back to the prevailing styles of the locations from which it is claimed that the Philistines/Sea Peoples abandoned to travel to the Levant. This connection never seems to be made.
You should watch the video before making claims.
What could you be talking about? Why would you comment that you don’t see happening, exactly what is being shown to happen?
The above comment provides some sound advice
Excellent
Excellent lecture. I always thought that the Sea People were from Ancient Greece, the Minoan or the Mycenean cultures. The professor confirmed my ideas about this ancient culture. I sense a lot of inter cultural exchange between the ancient cultural groups in the Levant. This probably had an impact in religion, agriculture, food, writing, even clothing. Greetings from Germany...🍺
As usual I'm late to this party but it's just as incredible now..... after the "cocaine-mummy's" shows of years past this
just further proves we all shared w/ one another. We're more related to each other than we realize....? peace
In this case the inter relations is more expected because of much closer proximity.
It's only because of biblical bias that they did not expect to find Canaanite artifacts in Phillistinian sites, but at least they admit their mistake and embrace the new perspective.
@@mnomadvfx ~ I'm not an expert but didn't they share & fight over the same lands ? Even if they'd never
fought their stuff would be mixed if by trading alone but they fought for a millennia & the winner got to
take the women so dna was shared as well....... The "bias" you speak of is some sort of wishful ideology
based on pride? The whole subject is fascinating to me ~ thanks for the share
horns and double columns in temples made me think of minoans immediately
Me too.
The Bible mentions "the horns of the altar" in the OT. Lev 4:18
Hardly surprising, the Minoans were well known to have been in contact with ancient Canaan from which the Judean and Israelite cultures evolved from.
How could I have woken up to this on a business day to watch over an hour video... Thjs js really beautiful, you totally enlightened me on the Phillitia and the present day Palenstine. I feel Northern Israel whose capital city was Samaria are major owner of the present day Palestine with load of Arab influx many years ago...
In summary, the Biblical story of the enmity between the Jews and the Israelites remains till date which does not change their blood relations are siblings. This is sad really.
42:05 How could you imagine that *anyone* who lives on the Mediterranean coast near Egypt could be "closed in" and "lose contact with the outer world"? *That makes no sense.*
belinskii, or -- like the Israelites -- the Philistines were conquered by the Assyrians and assimilated. If they didn't have as strong a national identity, their culture would have died out like so many others.
he's referring to the collapse of the general 'globalization' that had happened 100 years earlier between the two periods. It's a big thing, one of the other lectures deals with it specifically, check it out.
Bronze Age collapse. The Egyptians name the Philistines (or a tribe with a similar name) as one of the groups that came by boats to raid and immigrate into the near east. Post-collapse, new cities stayed away from the sea for protection and often groups became isolated as global trade died down and a lot of knowledge was lost.
@@3000_Year_Old_Man Egyptian contact was mentioned.
The Victor's write the history books.... except in the case of israel
Do you have to be educated to attend your digs? I am a seer without formal training and thing I could be of great service to digs of such topic.
Nutmeg didn't come from Sri Lanka but from even further, from Manuka, Ternate & Bandar Islands of what is now Indonesia
Tell el safi wasn’t “abandoned” as so much as the residents were “expelled”in what what even Israeli historians call an “ethnic cleansing”
If there was 800,000 Palestinian refugees in 1948, now to date, there's over 3 million, one has to Observe how, ISRAEL REALLY SUCKS, AT, ETHNIC CLEANSING 😂
900p0p99l😊p⁹⁹the 😊
Wow- The Palestinian village was ‘abandoned’ in 1948.
Mysteriously!
Lots of Arabs left the area when Israel became a state in 1948.
For those who don't know, the Jews did not just force Arabs out and "take over" Arab property.
Most Arabs in the area at the time were nomads, so they might have just stopped using the site.
Also, Arabs were not forced out at all. They were allowed to stay, and Jews paid for any property they moved into.
Still today, if a Jewish family is living on property they purchased, and an Arab comes forward with a deed that proves they never sold the property (Someone may have illegal sold it, as most Arabs who owned property in Israel lived somewhere else), the Jewish family has to either move, or buy the property again.
And no, I am not Jewish, but these facts are well documented.
The Jews treat the Palestinians better than theircso called friend nations. With out the Jews many of them wouldn't have work. Because it's the Jewish industry that creates jobs. You need to study and stop believing main stream media lives. Israel's enemies us cthe Palestinians to justify their attack's on Israel. Yet will not let the Palestinians into their countries like we take in refugees. But the Palestinians refused Israel's help in 48 thinking their fellow Arabs would defeat israel. that kinda stupidity sums up what you get for believing in false gods
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I've seen photos that tell a very different story.
@@johnmonk9297 Yes of course. Work sets you free. Like that inscription over the gates of Auschwitz no?
Anyone who starts by saying, "The truth is:" has lost me.
Am I the only one who never saw any laser pointed to the map ? :) I keep trying to catch it when the word " here" is pronounced, but w/ o any success.
I may get a brief glimpse of a laser dot during one video presentation every couple of years. Laser pointers are after my time so I don’t know if people attending seminars see them either. Yardsticks or pointer sticks seem to be a lot better than the lasers in the long run.
@@conniead5206 That was not a critic, I loved the presentation, I watched it 3 times, but just wondering if I was only me as none in the assistance seemed to have any problem understanding where exactly, it was meant ;) I also thought it might be that live it worked but was not visible enough with the lights on a video, that is why I asked. Thank you. More, more please.
No mention of Mizraim or Egypt
I am puzzled. This lecture covers time period of about 1200 BC to 586 AC but in a prior video, the Phillistines existed about 200 yrs, 1300 BC to 1100 BC he said.
They haven't found Goliath's cereal bowl because I've got it. I've also got Og Of Bashan's morning coffee mug. It's f***ing huge.
😄😄
If only Da Vinci knew about the plaster, he might have been able to finish his frescoes!
the secret is in the water.
You mean the truth.
How do you know they did not simply bury theirs dead dogs ? Did you find them in the plates ?
S. Kertanguy butchering marks on bones.
Aahhh, but Genesis records that Philistines lived on Wadi Gerar near Gaza at the time of Avraham, long before the Late Bronze Age Collapse. And at the time of the Exodus, they already lived in the SW Coastal Plain, and are listed as one of the main obstacles for Moses leading Israel out of Egypt by way of a Coastal road.
If your evidence is just the Bible then that may be why you and Maier differ. While he appreciates the Hebrew scriptures, like most scholars he does not accept its contents to be accurate most of the time.
Maier's approach is an historical and archeological approach. Not a faith based one.
@@aspektx Yet the jews base their promised land off of scriptures. You make no sense and talk out of both sides of your mouth.
I guess this all goes back to the bronze age collapse. Lots of scholars have posited earthquakes as a factor for this. In Hebrew myth god controls earthquakes, maybe that has some sort of allegorical reference to the walls of Jericho. Not that specific site but walls crashing down on general. Maybe. This is all so vague.
"Hebrew myth"
Fail, keep your atheist mythology to yourself.
Jericho's walls did collapse. They've been excavated.
Risen again with technology, it's time to reasses our mythology.
No. More than ever thanks to our studies of this region, no.
@@InshushaGroupie The sea people, 300 years before the collapse of the Minoans, somehow I can't see a separation between this story. Somewhere in here is missing part of history.
David fort Goliath a giant, earlier scouts reported the cainanites were giants, sons of the Elohim and daughters of man. Risen again is humanity in this mystery.
@@gariusjarfar1341 "The sea people, 300 years before the collapse of the Minoans"
Wrong way around.
The Minoan collapse from the Theran eruption was about 300 years before the Sea Peoples went on their merry destructive way around the Mediterranean.
Quite possibly the Phillistines represented an early conglomerate of the diminished Minoans and the Mycenae - it would certainly explain the ferocity of the band combined with their naval superiority.
The Minoan sea faring capabilities and the Mycenaean war lords capabilities in fighting would have made a frightening combination likely never seen before in history at the time - like pitting disordered tribal war parties against ancient Roman legions.
@@gariusjarfar1341 History and myth has a tendency to distort basic facts.
Especially when the author needs his people to save face.
Probably because the Canaanites and Phillistines were actually smaller than the Israelites ironically.
Hey you mentioned Uncle Ramses… THANKS! 😂🤓
Torah food laws are forever !
Is there a difference between the Phoenicians and the philistines? The ancient Greeks start at the Levant and with Japheth and Javan. I guess they took on the Babylonian Sumerian Canaanite religion, but somewhere around Aegenor, Belus, Danaaus, and Aegyptus their religions synchronized. Baal came from The watchers from Hermon to Uruk to Egypt to Crete to Greece, Anatolia, India, Rome, and on and on
Very informative and refreshing to the mind. What is incredible is that the God of Israel established a relationship as a living God to His people in a land surrounded by mysterious cults and became a light to the Gentiles. Wonder of wonder miracle of miracles.
46:30 , so what are those ?
He missed the point that Herodotus calls it Palaestine, and makes no mention of Judah at all.
belinski
Herodotus dug up stuff (Pterodactyls in Egypt) appreciably older than anything Maeir has found. I guess relevance, if you have a political agenda, is in the eye of the beholder
@@3000_Year_Old_Man exactly!
@@3000_Year_Old_Man and appropriated it from its culture to fit his religious ideologies..
@@moodist1erThat could go either way tho.
@@OldHeathen1963 no, it can't. We know where abrahamic religions come from and when they show up in the record. All the neighboring cultures have words for Palestine and none of them say anything about the other. Except the merneptah stele but it's disputed to say Jezreel which makes more sense.
It's funny, because scriptures mentions a body of water to the East of Jerusalem NOT the West, so you have to wonder, are these maps accurate? No, they're not!
Maps? In the Bible?
I would trust man's knowledge today, over man's knowledge 2000 yrs ago.
Yes, I know maps were added later....
Excellent presentation. English historian Wells suggests that the Philistines arrived in the Middle East mainly from the island of Crete, Greece.
I enjoyed this, but wish that he would pay better attention to the biblical text if he is going to speak about it. The claim is not that King David destroyed Gath, but that he "took control of" it (2 Sam 8:1), and Gath is not even named. I'm also surprised that he is surprised about a vessel from Jerusalem being dedicated at a Philistine cult centar, since just this situation is described in 2 Kings 1:2.
I Chron 18:1...
@@arenmaeir Yes, I hadn't spotted the Chronicles reference which names Gath. In any case, my main issue with this really interesting presentation is that there is plenty of room in the evidence, as presented, for both options - either that David did not, in fact, subdue the Philistines, or that he defeated them in the field and they yielded to his overlordship because they could not protect their agricultural land and non-fortified settlements, accepting an Israelite garrison as part of the deal , which is what is implied by a close reading of the text. This would be similar to the situation King Saul was in (1 Sam. 13:3). Again, thanks for the correction.
@@stephenconey4841 While there is a far off possibility that David subdued the Philistines, all the archaeological evidence from Gath points to that the city was large and prosperous, fortified and well connected, and in fact the largest city in the entire southern Levant, from the 11th thru to the late 9th cent BCE, when Hazael captured it. There is no sign of and lowering of its status in the late 11th and early 10th cent BCE, in fact just the opposite. So, it would appear that the archaeological evidence does not support a scenario that David conquered or subdued Gath. Best
@@arenmaeir What would have changed at Gath, given the biblical scenario? The Philistines still have the same access to international trade and other sources of wealth. Gath would lose a fraction of its wealth annually for a few decades in the form of tribute. This is not the kind of thing that shows up in the archaeological record except through inscriptions or written accounts. If you’d asked me what I would expect to find, archaeologically, at Gath, given what’s written in Samuel and Chronicles, I would have said I expect nothing. I'm saying that, while the evidence doesn't prove or even particularly support the biblical picture, it doesn’t exclude it either.
Also, you hinted at something that interests me. A surface reading of the Bible gives the impression that the Philistines were THE arch-enemies of Israel, but really there were only about three generations where they were in conflict as they struggled for control of the Shephela as new powers in the region. It just happens that that period is when we have the Book of Samuel plus the farce that is Samson’s story. Reading between the lines, there seems to have been relatively little conflict between the two nations over the many centuries that they were neighbors. David's royal retinue included a considerable body of Philistines (2 Sam. 15:18). It would be interesting if you unearth more evidence of commerce and neighborly relations between the two nations.
May I ask a question, since I have your attention. What is a good estimate of the total Philistine population at the height of their prosperity? My info from the early 90s says 30,000, but that must be revised upward with this new evidence.
Thank you again for your valuable work in this field.
yeah, the village of Tell es-Safi was 'abandoned' in 1948... when the Israeli forces chased all the people out
+Dick Hamilton I thought that was an abusively tame wording...
+rafa mcnamara It's a neutral wording. He's not there to give a lecture on recent politics and ethics.
+jaxxstraw I don't agree. 'was abandoned' is a past-tense verb, an action that was taken (reputedly). 'is abandoned', in contrast, uses the adjectival form, and is neutral, simply describing state of affairs, a circumstance.
And it was abandoned. Why is it no one has figured out that very few Arabs in the area ever ran into an Israeli Soldier during 1947-1949. There just weren't that many Israeli Soldiers, and they were fighting for their, and their People's lives against the 5 invading Arab League Armies, and the Mufti's Butchers. Just because Arabs in the Area have now adopted the old Latin name (a Roman Provincial name, derived from the People this lecture is about-but who had disappeared millenia prior.), the Mandate Jews discarded this name upon becoming sovereign, and the 1960's Arabs picked it up, dusted off and chose to call themselves. So only a total ignoramus with an agenda would even bother to bring Arabs up in relationship to this lecture.
mara cohen It's Palestine on all the maps from history up to the period you're discussing.
We all have bad stuff in our history, every nation. Israel needs to be honest about the taking of the land and ethnic cleansing it undertook afterwards. The Jews in Palestine are mostly recent immigrants who took the land by force. That is just a fact.
Years later looks like we are looking at a world wide culture destroyed by a massive flood.. keep digging 🙏❤️
A volcanic disaster seems more likely.
@@andriesscheper2022 or both
Wasn’t there a ahyawan man terrorising the hittites western coast at that time written in tablets in Turkey?
May he have fled to philastine?
Sorry for the spelling 🥺
There are some other lectures on excavations of the other cities of the Philistines. The consensus seems to point to a Greek origin. There is also an interesting book that ties it together called something like "The world ended in 1177 B.C." The very interesting connection is that their was a period of great disruption in the eastern Mediterranean at this time. Coastal cities were raided and ancient trade routes disrupted. The theory put forth is that the Philistines (and other invaders) were connected to the Trojan war. They were cultural Greeks who raided the coasts for supplies for the war, and also those who were driven out by those raids. At the end of the war the fleet was scattered by a storm. Different groups of these peoples made war on the Egyptians and others including Crete. Some settled in this area of Israel and founded the five cities of the Philistines. It is now thought that their is a connection between a people living in the northwestern part of Ancient Greece and the Philistines, and their ancient name has become what we now see as Philistine. So the real ancient homeland of the Philistines is probably in modern Albania.
Yeah, some ships of soldiers stopped to build 5 cities. I think your understanding of logistics is weird.
what about Psalm 83?
You know something
Splitting in two is kind of like unconsciousness inside of your body and you have serpentine of life and Christ in you and Thoth
Must look at LAKE CROWLEY PILLARS AND ARCHES near Mammoth, CA looks like hydraulic plaster or cement
Seren means one of the five lords; Also, axle.
Why didn't he mention that the Bible mentions Abraham and the Philistines?
How come there is so many unread scrips that they spend so much time on a piece of broken script? I know i sound negative sorry
Forgot to mention the giant’s🤔😳
Exactly!
I wondered, too, how this is overlooked. The immense height of the Philistines is mentioned several times in the Old Testament.
Had it been only mentioned once, it could had been a way to depict a large and difficult enemy defeated, but to me one has to look for a population being significantly higher than others in the region, which also means that it is not to be found among the close neighbours.
At this time the Minoans were looking for new land in their settlements around the Levant, that were settled by people from central Eurpoe 22 thousand years before.
Various groups affected from lack of trade from the Bronze Age. The transition too the Iron Age even affects groups in the Black Sea.....
I don't understand how it can be concluded that Philistine had extensive trade because cinnamon and nutmeg is found there. It's seems a very hastily statement.
54:00 + bravo, sir, for mentioning what the wroter of history wanted us to think ... the original home of the philistines, ... what about the original home of US ALL?
it's a mixed bag. Moral Philosophy may succeed where Philology and Physicians Fail:
Moral Philosophy (a kind of)
Cuts
where ethical philosophy smears.
Both are Useful.
55:50 + ... ...dang
For me it's a bit longwinded (I have a short attention span, sorry) but all in all it was delightful. Insightful too. Many thanks.
What is the difference between isralits and judaits
Nutmeg came from the Moluccan Islands in modern day Indonesia, not Sri Lanka.
This was absolutely awesome. Let me summarize, Jews and Palestinians are the same people. As all cultures around the world, mixed and gradually assimilated other smaller groups of people.
Jews and Palestinians follow different religion and gradually which became your ancestors.
Palestinians are you, speaking practically same language, and genetically the same as Palestinians Jews.
In hundred years, you will assimilate into another you, again.
100 years ago, colonial powers created the idea of Isreal and its apartited state, as we know it.
You just spoke all that to say, everyone of you in Isreal, Palestinian, Western Jordan, South of Syria and Lebanon are exactly 💯 the same people.
You should do a mass DNA test on the above area, and prove my point for me 😊.
You are all the same people, some of you were deported thousands of years ago and now came back home to roast.
Mix and mingle, you will be a richer culture as the result.
Apartit didn't work in South Africa or any other place on earth and it will not work in Israel/ Palestine.
If you don't do it today! Your grand or great grand children will do it for you. Just simply because it is human nature.
Make a peace ✌ 😌 with yourselves!
Nuclear weapons won't stop Jews and Palestinians to create a single great country.
As you say in America, peace out! 😉
The time tunnel? Should open at 12,000 bce to understand the bronze age stories from the stone age. Confused are we about the geometry of history.
A little less pipe smoking and a little more research.
Bronze age and stone age cultures are a wide gulf of change, even within relatively stable areas like Egypt.
@@mnomadvfx Bronze age came from neolithic age, copper in between. Continuity.
2, and 3rd. Churches, suffered the
Most. Death everywhere !
1) BCE came way before BC since Christianity became a religion 100 years after his death and 2) you can’t say someone’s wrong because of a religious hat that you don’t wear
@fred McMurray ok, bc, even catholics and other christians actually admit that Jews came before christianity, Jesus was a Jew. yada yada yada
There were giants in those days
At least 2 epocs to see before our history. The megolithic and before, the poligonal to explain before our confused attempt in vain to explain our plain of reality.
So the Philistines were maybe Indo-europeans? What about the term Philistines? Is this a semitic word?
Apparently not. It is derived from the Philistines’ name for themselves. I am no expert, but it sounds similar to Greek, e.g. Philasteno (narrow love? )
@@scienceexplains302 You are WRONG. philistines is from HEBREW. =phlishtim = paleshet = פ ל ש ת = invaders
@@RyonI21 Hebrew is a conglomerate of Phoenician, Greek, and Aramaic. It barely had 500 words in its vocabulary and most of them were borrowed from other languages. It's an invented language, forgotten and then revamped 100 years ago to push a zionist agenda.
@@moodist1er I was under the impression that Hebrew was a Canaanite language.
Canaan did NOT lye on the territory of Israel. Israelites came and tried to conquer Canaan,but miserably failed until the 1968 war. Shalom .
Are you a Palestinian ?
No wonder you want to change the Torah the Bible And the Quran which ALL SAY that Israel belongs to the Jews
💯% agree with You
In the XII century significant events take place, as described in the Gospels: the coming of Jesus Christ, his life and crucifixion, although the existing text of the Gospels was edited and most likely dates to the XIV-XV cc. In the mid XII century, in the year 1152, Jesus Christ is born. In secular Byzantine history he is known as Emperor Andronicus and St. Andrew the Apostle the First-Called in Russian history he was portrayed as the Great Prince Andrey Bogolyubsky. To be more specific, Andrey Bogolyubsky is a chronicler counterpart of Andronicus-Christ during his stay in Vladimir-Suzdal Rus’ of the XII century, where he spent most of his life. In fact, the Star of Bethlehem blazed in the middle of the XII century. This gives us an absolute astronomical dating of Christ’s Life. [ЦРС], ch.1. ‘Star of Bethlehem’ - is an explosion of a supernova, which at present is incorrectly dated to the middle of the XI century. The present-day Crab Nebula in the Taurus Constellation is the remnant of this explosion.
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