Killer Attacks Man at Random | Daniel Kelsall and Morgan Huxley Case Analysis
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This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Daniel Kelsall and Morgan Huxley?
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Lock your doors people. You never know who is prowling.
@Pat Luxor you'd welcome a knife wielding psycho to stab you in your sleep.
But then you might miss having random consensual sex
...and for Gods sake, don't let the cops in your home.
The tragedy of these cases is the fact that these people are let loose back into society. Thanks doc.
My guess is that he approached Morgan and made a pass at him. Daniel was rejected in a disrespectful manner and did not take it well. He spent the next few hours fuming about being rejected. Plus he was fascinated with knife violence to begin with and could not resist the opportunity to get revenge on a man who “wronged” it must be exhausting being a malignant psychopathic narcissist .
What kind of justice system gives him 30 years and the victim gets life.
I work in the mental health field in Australia. While clinicians can have grave concerns about a client's violent thoughts, it can be difficult to take any action on this. Cops can only take them to the hospital, as having thoughts is not a criminal offense, and it is unlikely that a psychiatrist will "schedule" someone based on intrusive thoughts alone. Unfortunately, it can be the case that no action is taken until it's too late.
A thrill killer has got to be one of the most dangerous types of killers. I think he could still be very dangerous if he was ever freed. I wouldn't want him living in the same Country as me.
This happened literally down the road from where I live and I've never heard of it 😮 Thanks so much for the continuously amazing content Doc! 🙏
This is so frightening! Why did Daniel's Therapists take him seriously? A life was taken because of someone else's sick fantasy.
Keep up the great work Dr. Grande.
There may not have been anything they could in fact do about it. He had expressed fantasies about killing but as far as I can tell, he hadn't made a statement _explicitly planning to actually kill._ In all likelihood, Daniel was saying exactly what he could say without being reported, and toying with his therapists. Psychologists can't report people for fantasizing about something and nor should they, or people will simply stop telling them anything for fear of being reported, and that would be worse for society. Many bad consequences are averted because people (non-psychopaths) can speak frankly to therapists and receive treatment. Therapists walk a pretty fine line in this regard and I don't envy their position.
We don't know what action was taken by his therapist. That's why I'm surprised at Dr Grande for implying no action was taken when he can't really know that to be the case. And really, why can you do? Tell the police this person _might_ kill someone? What then? Dr Grande could have given us his supposed solution, but he didn't because he doesn't know what to do either.
Unfortunately you can't really do anything about psychopaths who make vague hints about killing strangers.
@@aarondavis8943 , Very true. Just because someone talks about doing harm, doesn't mean they will actually do harm.
@@elizabethwarman9028 I got fired from my job because I verbalized a "thought" to an OSHA representative in NH. He went running to the police and once the police got involved the frightened new boss had his company attorney fire me via a message on my answering machine in 2009. Don't trust your government, folks. They will fuck you up the ass while throwing you under the bus after a 30 year problem free employment history. Filthy, cheap bastards.
@@bocabec6744 that is ridiculous.. Our General Manager told all of us : we got injured at work. We could no longer go to Worksman Coop. If we did, we would be fired.
This is So Heartbreaking!! Random, and Frightening! Morgan had everything going for him!💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️💔🙏🕊️🥀🥀🥀🥀
I know right real chad. Handsome Rich outgoing good with the women lots of friends killed by a dork with no friends no chance at a woman ugly Yu-Gi-Oh card trading loser. This is worse than when pretty girls die in car crashes. All the loser basement dwellers in the world God could have took instead what a shame.
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How frightening and tragic. And the poor roommate. PTSD for her I’m sure. As a therapist, I would have definitely had him involuntarily committed via petition and certificate. Absolutely!!
I hope your move goes well! I’ve moved more than two dozen times int’ly and across the States, and I think it is one of the difficult events in life.
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I wonder if he's getting doxxed by a female stalker?
@@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou I hope not. Some people do send him weird messages. At least she's not likely to be violent.
@@Catlily5 New Jersey .
@@sadiestoltzfus9798 Interesting.
One of the more surprising things about this story is that Morgan was allowed in the Oaks without shoes on.
How can someone defend against such randomness? Frightening story Doc!
Also, I missed seeing Bella in your commercial. She’s the real star you know- lol!
You can remain aware of your environment, and not make it easy for psychopaths to get access, especially within your own home.
If the door was locked, maybe it would have happened at some other time or place; or maybe it could have been stopped.
he had sex with him, that is not random, sounds more entangled
Dont get drunk too often. Drunkenness provokes violence more often than most people think. There are always very weak and very cowardly people out there who are always waiting for an opportunity to harm somebody who is totally helpless.
@@Skandalos The stress of living in fear that some random psycho is going to murder you can't be healthy either.
I agree!! She is a cutie.
Imagine going though life where you can only understand the concept of emotion in a purely cognitive sense. How empty and lonely that would be. I suppose, however, these type of people have never known a genuine emotion that connects them to another human being, so they don't know what they're missing.
The shocking and tragic death :((
Your description of the criminal Daniel is completely exact. Undoubtedly he is a very dangerous individual. Thank you for the analysis, Dr. Grande!
Not many people can get a story across as efficiently and as interestingly as you! I often fall asleep to these videos, not because they're boring or anything but because your voice is relaxing. I'm lucky enough to not have any mental issues, I don't even get bored and it's takes an extreme amount for me to even get angry.... Which actually makes me not feel normal compared to alot of people I know but am very interested in psychological issues and what makes people do certain things so I love watching your videos!!
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I was wondering why this sounded familiar and I remembered how a good friend from Perth told me about this a few years ago! I'm not going crazy then haha, thanks for covering this case Dr. Grande
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Thanks, Dr. Grande! Though I was hoping to see your dog begging for a bite of your Factor meal (like last time)
A very interesting case, Dr. Grande. Daniel was simply a disaster waiting to happen, killing someone at random who he never knew before. Despite warning signals to mental health professionals prior to murdering Morgan, there was really nothing that could be done until he committed murder. Could they inform the police? Isn't there some sort of professional/client confidentiality as with psychiatrists and clergy people? As for his parents still thinking that he was really a good boy, well, parents will usually say that when their child is in deep sheet. There really is no way anyone could be prepared for Daniel's murderous behavior.
At least in the US, they are mandated reporters, it’s actually illegal NOT to report it.
they do have a duty to warn if a threshold is met. The Tarasoff case is the seminal case on this issue. Although it is just a california case, its finds have been widely adopted elsewhere.
i suspect he killed him because he was everything he was not. successful, good looking, tall, etc. that's the real motive even if he won't admit it out of embarrassment. i think it can be implied from his behavior and life history. a lot of these "motive less" crimes are probably impulsive rage crimes
In Germany a doctor or psychologist can only report someone to the police if there is an imminent danger to someone else's (or the patient's) life or safety, or if someone is confessing to a crime. I assume it is the same in Australia!? But even if his therapists would have reported him, would it have changed the outcome? He only had random thoughts about committing a crime some time in the future, you can't arrest someone for that or even force him to undergo therapy.... I guess one could argue that confessing his thoughts to a professional was a "cry for help", but someone needs to be willing to do therapy or even be willing to change, and I'm just not convinced this applies to Daniel.
It's so frustrating that in some cases something terrible has to happend first before the person can be stopped. I agree with you, there probably was no way to prevent this tragedy.
maybe the people should report being followed and people jumping out of bushes at them.. I don't know that these incidents were not reported but if police followed up with viewing video surveillance and upping patrols questioning the suspect , arresting him for ttempted robbery would this have served asa deterrent or would he havejustmoved on or delayed murdering smeone and jusr murdered soeone else? Why the gu yhe murdered gay? did he wait for him outside a gay bar Why would he think the police would believe his story of "consental sex"?
More education is needed on Autism. I am shocked frequently in the mental health field over how many people don't understand Autism or think they know how it presents and what it entails with inaccurate knowledge.
Poor eye contact is a presentation SOME autistic people have, others can be excellent at mirroring appropriate eye contact. To say his presentation didn't match the disorder is absolutely absurd and misinformation. He was described as "intelligent, articulate and cold.... his face remained blank even when he used words typically associated with emotions " and had a special interest in death and knives which could be very typical of an autistic person of high IQ with sociopathic or psychopathic tendencies.
Bipolar is often a misdiagnosis given to those with autism due to the element of emotional dysregulation appearing like mood swings. There is usually an episode of psychosis or mania in a bipolar diagnosis and this can be misconstrued by professionals if an autistic individual is describing hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucinations and not understanding fully what is meant by the question, "do you ever hear voices". Also autistic people can present with a shut-down response when extremely overwhelmed and this can also be misconstrued as psychosis. It would be interesting to see this mans mental health assessments which determined these diagnostics.
The compulsion to tap on his eye glasses may have been at a specific or particular time in the day or when carrying out a particular activity so may not have been a present compulsion during an interview. It is said he did it inconsistently during the interview but upon who's standards of consistency? He may have been doing it in response to having a thought arise, or when seeing someone else blink or anything at all could have been a mental prompt to fulfil this compulsion so there may be no obvious consistency during an interview. A better assessment would be if he simply does it consistently each day at some point. Its important to note that compulsion may also switch to a different one at any time.
I have to highlight all of this because so many autistic people fall through the cracks of getting early intervention support. They are particularly vulnerable because even with high IQ and extremely good masking they may not have the interoception or alixythymia to understand their own internal physical and emotional feelings to even be able to articulate accurately to others - or where there may be concerns.
I feel this mans characteristics are similar to those of Jeff Dahmer, who was also likely autistic. He was nurtured in the wrong direction with having special interests of a morbid nature. With the psychopathic element it means the special interests and compulsions are dangerously channeled into heinous behaviours.
With this all said, it is so important to note that just like any other nuero-type, there are good and bad people. People don't often want to recognise autism in psychopaths through fear of stigmatising the condition further, but we must understand and recognise when its present if we want to assist in early intervention for those who need the support.
Young lady, you just keep collecting your unsubstantiated theories. you'sure you're over educated and we need your help? 😅
Trying to say that autism not getting help leads to killers is weird.
@@springdeerling7866 nobody said that.
@@MrRhiannedanielle it's what you implied. I feel like people are going to misconstrue what you said and just feed into their preconceived notions that autistic people are unfeeling cold robots
Thank you for covering this one !!
As a Sydneysider this happened very close to me and it still freaks me out to this day when I walk past the Oaks.
Daniel is one of those people who should be locked up with the key thrown away. It might interest you to know he is currently trying to have his relationship with another murderer legally recognised by our state government.
This guy needs to be behind bars for life. Does anyone really think society will be safe when he’s out of prison at age 51? Do you want him living or working anywhere near you or your loved ones?
Exactly. Given enough time he will 'find god' and be released on good behaviour and lack of sharp knives in his vicinity but won't mean his urges will somehow magically evaporate.
Proving yet again that when someone tells you who they are, believe them
I would imagine that most people simply didn't know Daniel, it is common for people to not nothing much about the people they are acquianted with.
Some of those things that he said to mental health practicioners is very disturbing.
He is probably one of those people who thinks he can outsmart everyone.
What a horrifying and incredibly sad case!
Random psychopathic killers are terribly frightening!
Amazing (but very chilling) analysis, Dr. Grande, and so loved your final thoughts!
Wow! That is scary. Hope Dan never gets out. He's far to much of a risk.
Grande, thanks for being so level headed, the world needs more of that mentality.
That photo of you with the meal is absolutely hysterical.
This was a very unfortunate occurrence. I agree that Kelsall was on his way to becoming a serial killer. I am sorry to mention this here, but I greatly miss Bella Grande episodes. Will there be another soon? Thank you for the excellent content.
Australian sentencing laws are far too light. I am Australian and it is disappointing that cold blooded murder does not equate to a life sentence in this country.
The only fantasy Daniel would experience from an average Aussie bloke is having his headlight punched out severely and lots of teeth to fill a Tic-Tac packet. Thanks so much for your hard work Doctor.
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video: only speculating on what could be happening when someone dies when either a random person is killed, or when a person is killed with a knife that was selected at random.
Goodness, Neutral Bay and Military road are very familiar, which makes this all the more frightening.
This being said, I wonder if there can be a way of testing people for the lack of affect associated with psychopathy.
Can you test if people are feeling emotions?
Maybe machine learning could be put to use in testing for psychopathy with measurements from people like Daniel Kelsall providing training data.
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I just wanna be a little sarcastic an ask if there has ever been a case you couldn't analyze?! Love your videos, particularly your voice it's very relaxing before bed
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Really great analysis.
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This has to be one of the scariest cases. And for morgan to live and move around after being harmed that much? Horrifying.
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Daniel Jack Kelsall is my cousin and i grew up with him and i can hand on hear say his issues started at a very young age and sadly the health system let him and his victim down he was actually really good at playing the victim and getting us in trouble he was extremely violent and used to attack me and my cousins just for the fun of it biting kicking and punching us. I have memories of him peeing in water guns and shooting us trying to get it in our face and in our eyes but i know for a fact he was mentally unstable and needed to be properly accessed medicated and monitored... When some of our family here in New Zealand found out about what he had done and saw it on the news none of us were to shocked ........ any QS ask away
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"I'm smarter than everybody". Gets immediately fucking caught.
agree with your final statement...
'time to take action' - for mental health clinicians
(when clients are expressing thoughts regarding
fantasies associated with killing someone...) ***
It would be interesting to know the psychological profiles of Daniel's biological parents. Often the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. I say this as someone who has found biological parents for two individuals. It's amazing how much they are alike in terms of mental health issues, talents, interests, and physical appearances, etc. Personally, I don't feel that Daniel should ever be released. He committed a heinous crime. Why should he have a second chance at life when Morgan can't?
Yeah that’s what I thought too. He should never be released. He’s a dangerous. 30 Years isn’t going to fix him.
@@GrumpyCat-mw5xl A menace to society!
I agree with all you've said. He should be detained indefinitely to a prison where there are dangerous people who cannot be rehabilitated. We would all be safer instead of silly do Golders who believe in parole for serial killers. Let them live next door to them and see if they feel safe.
He was adopted. But the adoptive parents appear to be apologists for his behaviour. The case was a big deal in Sydney at the time because it was such a strange & random attack on a very unlikely victim. Kelsell is extremely dangerous because he is devoid of insight or a conscience. Creep!!! 😱
@@jacquelinewilliams5661 rehabilitation of some people is like trying to rehabilitate a great white shark after it eats someone. It’s never going to be safe to put in your swimming pool.
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I’m sorry but if I told my psychiatrist that, they literally wouldn’t let me leave. 😮
Hello Dr. Grande! Thank you for your videos! Would you please do an analysis on the Oakland County child killer case? Thank you for your time
I remember this case well.
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I find waking up to the doctor is becoming a habit. Is this an addiction? lol And, I'm proud to announce Australia is finally thinking of the victim, family, friends and society's safety first, over suspects AND GIVING PROPER SENTENCES. Yes!
*Who would win in a fight to the finish between Dr. Grande and Dr. Oz? And if Dr. Grande won, would he diagnose Dr. Oz or just speculate?*
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Dr. Grande, if a client repeatedly told you about wanting to commit murder, what would you do???
Assuming a mental health provider decided to take action, what is the description of how that action would look like? Does the therapist call the police to let them know that their patient has revealed a desire? Similarly, if a therapist had a patient that revealed that the patient might want to drive over the speed limit or engage a prostitute or cheat on a college exam, would the therapist be run out of the profession for blowing the whistle? I only ask in the event that a therapist actually took this action and it blew up in their face.
By law, they have to report it if it has to do with harming one self or others. Typically the process is that they are held and evaluated by a psychiatric team then released or treated and then released, depending on the evaluation.
And only if it poses a physical threat, something like prostitution while you could argue is not healthy, doesn’t pose an eminent physical threat.
@@bobbie-jenehenderson7824 This is true in the USA but is it in Australia?
Such good questions.👍
@@Catlily5 That I don’t and wouldn’t pretend to know. I’d be curious to find out, if anyone else knows?? Help us out guys!!
Wait a minute, I thought you said yesterday's video would be the last made in that studio.
Go back and listen again. He explains it. 🙂
Edit to add:
I'm not diagnosing, I'm just speculating, but I think because he pre-records them way ahead of time. It's not like he made it yesterday. He probably has a decent stock of ready to go videos with his intense work ethic.
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@@YTStoleMyUsername Speculating of course! 😉
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I’m sorry, 30 years!? Australia is crazy
Oh...the old OJ "if I DID do it" ploy.
How dangerous is the average young man with autism spectrum and narcissism/anti-social symptoms? Re: how do I differentiate between a harmless one and a potentially dangerous one?
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So I was in the showers and this guy kept dropping the soap
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Always lock your doors
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Hello Dr. Grande. I enjoy your show very much. But I was wondering if you could do a video on the 27 Club: i.e. Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Janis Joplin.
What action can be taken by the mental health provider when homicidal thoughts are indicated in a patient? Can they have the patient sent to a locked mental health unit?
This guy is a real cut up!
Dr Grande: I would love to see a analyses of Vincent Vangogh He had a very tumultuous life that seemed like it was afflicted with multiple psychological maladies. It showed in his work as well.
Sounds like his parents are more delusional than he is.
Perhaps the paradox Mental Health clinicians were faced with is the fact that many insane people usually verbalize crazy things and they are completely harmless there is no way of really knowing if someone is going to act out on their impulses are not. The only way I've ever been able to gauge that is their level of neuroticism. Yes they may be normally quiet but how neurotic are they? Does it Encompass their entire being? Do they have good impulse control when they are under the throes of this curse? Things to think about I don't know myself but I do pay attention to those things. Hopefully things like this can be avoided in the future
@@cht2162 I agree and out of control mob is terrifying
Man I still see them bicks behind you!! I thought you said you're moving to New Jersey!!
the ad part was very creepy :D
Just WOW to this Entire situation! I've Seen the Mental Health Community here in the states FAIL Loved Ones, and others I've known personally, However IMO (that I Hate to Admit) the Status of the Situation "Across the Pond" in Overall Forefront of Treatment, Facilities, and Lack of Resources (IF Possible) is WORSE There!?! Unfortunately, the Poor TOTALLY INNOCENT Victim Never stood a Chance..🤔🧐😱😢😭 Thanks Dr. Grande for making this Inhumane occurrence BEARABLE to Examine, your Wit is ALWAYS Inserted at the Greatest Time!!!🤩👌👌
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He doesn't seem like he'll change after the prison semtence. His parents probably don't understand parts of him that evolved into being a homicidal criminal.
Thank God he was Caught!
Poor Morgan. You never know when you might run into a loony
When a client gets intrusive thoughts of killing someone, what actions should a councelor take? Don't psychiatrist and psychologists have an obligation of confidentiality?
Not in the case of wanting to harm one’s self or someone else
It's tricky though; a few commenters have explained it better than I can.
Basically, as I understand, just sharing thoughts and fantasies isn't "enough" to waive that confidentiality - there has to be clear intent with specifics.
It seems there's no clear rule Abbott what to do when a patient admits to a previous crime because (theoretically) no one's in immediate danger.
Dr Grande has done a few videos addressing this topic, but I can't remember which ones unfortunately.
Can you analize ottis toole?