I remember seeing this scene on TV late one night and being mesmerised by it. I hadn't seen the rest of the film and didn't know what was going on but was still gripped.
0:35 Friggin' LOVE that click in Stacey's posture...it's where he finally emerges into that perfect mode of boss and negotiator instead of shooing away Levene or catering to Roma.
The brilliant dichotomy of this scene is the other salesmen were shitting on spaceys character all movie with quips about how he only got the job through nepotism but essentially he "sells" Levine into a confession and he ends up finding out everyone involved with the theft If you look at the way he gets the confession out he uses all the same sales techniques from the beginning of the movie
Actually, maybe if Shelley got a lawyer - a good one - the lawyer could have dug up a lot of dirt in that company and made it look bad. So being threatened with "going to jail" might have been a blessing in disguise. The point is that a lawyer might have exposed all the company's bullshit that drove Shelley to do what he did. But then again, I may be missing the broader point, which perhaps was that everyone there shared in the company's corruption. Moreover, the company was in a better position financially to acquire a decent lawyer. So their lawyer might just as easily have dug up dirt from Shelley's past.
if he didnt break he probably wouldve been fine cause they didnt have shit, all they had was the managers hunch that this guy did it because he assumed someone in an office full of liars lied. only reason he got caught was cause he panicked and confessed, even now they dont have shit just he said-he said which if he shut up after being brought bsck to the cops he mightve avoided the wrap
@@josb9836 in Venezuela the population needs dog meat so they do not starve to death. In Cuba the people refers to food tickets given by the government which is not nearly enough for any person to stay healthy.
You are right. I rushed these clips together for a lecture on screenwriting. there were some awful spelling mistakes in that lecture, which undermined everything. thank you for your discretion. take care.
you mean realistic? no one in this scenario....would ever dance around curses. The purpose....of cursing....is just what the name implies. They highlight a level of anger, frustration, hatred and disrespect that is not conveyed by dancing around it with more poetic language or visual acting. It's certainly possible, but consider this as well.....the language defines the character. More than this it defines the setting and situation. All of the men are exactly the types to talk this way....and they're in the situation to do so, in their work and in their lives. These are desperate, frustrated, sleazy salesman working in the big city at a high profile firm. Pressure and tempers are high. You'll also notice that not everyone cusses so readily. Williamson and many of the guys' clients...they're not IN their scenario. They're different characters. I can't imagine Shelley, Roma, Moss and the rest talking any other way. And Baldwin is actually there to reinforce it. He is essentially their drill sergeant, and also what all of them aspires to be. Baldwin's character cusses them out because nicer language won't work for his intentions. Think.....about the choices and writing....before dismissing it as 'bad swears'.
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I remember seeing this scene on TV late one night and being mesmerised by it. I hadn't seen the rest of the film and didn't know what was going on but was still gripped.
That's the mark of a genius writer.
Some of the best acting that I've ever seen in a film. All the actors were superb. The late, great Jack Lemmon at his finest!
Great writing. Great casting. The writing and acting are on par with Chayefsky's Network or The Hospital.
And the late great Kevin Spacey
0:35 Friggin' LOVE that click in Stacey's posture...it's where he finally emerges into that perfect mode of boss and negotiator instead of shooing away Levene or catering to Roma.
That's why he was hired.
Jack Lemmon is so fantastic in this scene (in the whole movie actually). The decay from "not caring" to "please have mercy" is simply amazing.
Aw, come on, you can't say no to ol' Gil.
The way Mr Aronoff says "Oh God, i hate this job" sums up perfectly what i think of my job each time i wake up to go to my work.
The brilliant dichotomy of this scene is the other salesmen were shitting on spaceys character all movie with quips about how he only got the job through nepotism but essentially he "sells" Levine into a confession and he ends up finding out everyone involved with the theft
If you look at the way he gets the confession out he uses all the same sales techniques from the beginning of the movie
Jack Lemmon squirms as painfully as William Macy in Fargo.
Jack should have just said, "I answered the darn question! I'm cooperating here! You're darn tootin'!"
ONE. OF. THE. BEST. MOVIES. EVER.
It hurt me when Shelly said, 'I sold them'
One underated movie with actor whose are all legends !!! Amazing !
Shelly should have just said “we always make stuff up around here and you stink at making your shit up weather it was true or not. Got it Williamson?”
Not bad. Not bad.
Agreed but then you don’t have a good finish to the film.
“Oh god I hate this job...” 🤣🤣
Once you hear David Mamet's dialog , you will always recognize it . He is brilliant !
Amazing cast and performances is this movie but jack lemmon takes the crown
YOU GOT THE MEMORY OF A FUCKIN FLY
All Shelley had to say was he guessed the contracts were there based on Romas talk
How come Moss didnt get arrested? He was in on it too and got half
Actually, maybe if Shelley got a lawyer - a good one - the lawyer could have dug up a lot of dirt in that company and made it look bad. So being threatened with "going to jail" might have been a blessing in disguise. The point is that a lawyer might have exposed all the company's bullshit that drove Shelley to do what he did. But then again, I may be missing the broader point, which perhaps was that everyone there shared in the company's corruption. Moreover, the company was in a better position financially to acquire a decent lawyer. So their lawyer might just as easily have dug up dirt from Shelley's past.
Having a shitty job isn't gonna get you out of a felony.
if he didnt break he probably wouldve been fine cause they didnt have shit, all they had was the managers hunch that this guy did it because he assumed someone in an office full of liars lied. only reason he got caught was cause he panicked and confessed, even now they dont have shit just he said-he said which if he shut up after being brought bsck to the cops he mightve avoided the wrap
Great movie. Not one female in the whole film. It's a example of what men have had to do to feed their families in this capitalistic country
If they lived in a socialist country they would be unable to feed their families. In a socialist country they would starve to death.
@@mxkmxk7296 🤔if you’re referring to countries like the ussr, how come they got more food than capitalist countries at the same income group🤔
@@josb9836 in Venezuela the population needs dog meat so they do not starve to death. In Cuba the people refers to food tickets given by the government which is not nearly enough for any person to stay healthy.
@@josb9836 please show me any reliable data proving that the people in USSR had more food than American people.
@@josb9836 ussr had shortages for literally everything. My parents lived in the ussr. Dont talk about shit you have no clue about
Ohhhh he didnt know........😮
squirm...squirm...squirm....squirm...squirm
Lemon is the best in this movie, he was that good
David Mamet play
Uhh isn't spelling part of writing? Can you fix the clip title?
You are right. I rushed these clips together for a lecture on screenwriting.
there were some awful spelling mistakes in that lecture, which undermined everything. thank you for your discretion. take care.
Wow.
I run the office. Will you go to lunch?
Interesting movie. Foul mouth though.
True, but really not close to Tarantino films that all come replete with the "N" word being tossed about like confetti.
you mean realistic? no one in this scenario....would ever dance around curses. The purpose....of cursing....is just what the name implies. They highlight a level of anger, frustration, hatred and disrespect that is not conveyed by dancing around it with more poetic language or visual acting. It's certainly possible, but consider this as well.....the language defines the character. More than this it defines the setting and situation. All of the men are exactly the types to talk this way....and they're in the situation to do so, in their work and in their lives. These are desperate, frustrated, sleazy salesman working in the big city at a high profile firm. Pressure and tempers are high. You'll also notice that not everyone cusses so readily. Williamson and many of the guys' clients...they're not IN their scenario. They're different characters. I can't imagine Shelley, Roma, Moss and the rest talking any other way. And Baldwin is actually there to reinforce it. He is essentially their drill sergeant, and also what all of them aspires to be. Baldwin's character cusses them out because nicer language won't work for his intentions. Think.....about the choices and writing....before dismissing it as 'bad swears'.
Omg HE SOLD THEM AND THIS IS KEVIN SPACEY IN REAL LIFE HIS MENTOR AND IDOL AMAZING HOW THINGS WORK OUT 🤔🤫
True. The actors themselves gave the movie the nickname "Death of a fkn salesman".
What’s wrong with that?