Jeremy Runnells, CES Letter Author, Excommunication Press Conference - Mormon Stories 621
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- On February 8, 2016, Jeremy Runnells (previously interviewed on Mormon Stories) received notice from his stake president, Mark Ivins, that he would face excommunication (an LDS disciplinary council) on February 14, 2016 for publishing his "Letter to a CES Director."
"CES Letter" represents Jeremy's sincere attempts obtain answers to several questions/doubts he has had over the years regarding LDS church truth claims. Some of the topics dealt with in CES Letter include Joseph Smith's multiple and conflicting accounts of the first vision, Joseph Smith's polygamy (including to 14/15 year olds) and polyandry (marrying other men's wives), Book of Mormon historicity, Book of Abraham historicity, etc.
This press conference was held in support of Jeremy, detailing various problems with President Mark Ivins' handling of the process. The press conference was live-streamed with over 6,000 people viewing.
The morning after this press conference, Jeremy's disciplinary council was inexplicably postponed until late March, 2016 by Mark Ivins.This press conference was held at the Club/Cafe at 50 West in downtown Salt Lake City.
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Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
06:49 Welcome to Jeremy
07:44 Update on what Jeremy has been working on
10:10 Setting up 501c3
13:02 Getting everyone up to speed on who Jeremy is and what the CES-letter is
20:33 Jeremy further explains his plans after setting up the 501c3. Mobily friendly website
21:53 CES-letter book in print, CES-letter as a living document, other new information
23:48 Technical changes: webreferences, HTML-version, .org domain name, audio version
25:23 Shout out to some people
26:22 Kindle version. All free. For book pay what you want. Translations
27:50 Update section website. Stronger social media presence
28:27 Thanks for the support!
28:47 When available? Where buy the book?
30:25 Interactions with SP since October 2014.
32:20 SP claiming to know Gospel Topics Essays, but hadn't really read them
34:30 SP heard about Jeremy because of the MSP episodes, hadn't read the CES-letter
37:02 2nd interview with SP. Pop quiz!
39:12 Threat with excommunication. Definition of apostasy and going over the criteria.
44:27 No reasons for having a court. End of interview with SP
46:16 1.5 y later phone call for new appointment.
47:43 John reflects on the difference with his own excommunication
48:50 Jeremy reacting to it and discussing it
51:55 E-mail to come earlier, and then suddenly disciplinary council
54:19 Discussing reasons for council
57:34 Letter from SP announcing court with reasons
59:12 Discussing possible criticisms
1:03:40 Why do you even care?
1:06:05 What's it like to have this council?
1:08:39 Feelings about process of disciplinary council itself
1:11:49 How do you want to handle this?
1:12:35 Any ideas about a possible excommunication? Discussing the reasons for the council
1:16:48 SP is also a victim of the system
1:19:16 What do you think of the local media outlets not reaching out?
1:21:36 How can people support you?
1:23:15 Start Q&A
1:23:35 What was it like looking for a venue? Thinking about this event itself as a step in the process?
1:25:08 How do you feel about the call to "closeted exmo's" come out to their family?
1:28:15 Mormon values such as seeking truth get Jeremy in trouble.
1:30:45 Guidelines about sharing the CES-letter?
1:32:03 Where was bishop in the process?
1:33:50 How were higher authorities involved?
1:37:14 How do you think about "Leaving the church alone after you left it?".
1:41:34 Why does the church make the claim that they leave it to local authorities?
1:44:08 Thank you to on line watchers!
1:44:26 Has Jeremys life gone better since the publication of the CES-letter?
1:46:22 Is this a council of love, or is it about what is best for the church?
1:48:02 What were initial cracks in the shelf?
1:51:14 Is it possible to have legal council in the court?
1:54:02 A few words of encouragement for Jeremy
1:55:14 John asking people to explain how Jeremy was a positive note in their life
2:02:22 Closing words by John
Jeremy Runnells is the reason I never had to look back after deciding to leave. He's a true hero
@@Man-jf6lz prove it , I think he's right and just showing the facts out in the open . I'm a member
Same
@@Man-jf6lz if he Is just a poor scholar it should have been no problem to set him straight. THEY DIDN'T. Why do you think that is? Perhaps you could do what they didn't?
@@Man-jf6lz People are waking up to the racist and sexist past of the church. The LDS church is changing things now in their Endowment Ceremony to be more appealing to feminists and women in general. The temple used to tell the woman to hearken to the man as he hearkens to god and now the woman can just hearken to god. They also now allow people to be married in the temple right after a civil marriage. They also changed the policy of not allowing kids of LGBTQ parents to be baptized. They are obviously losing members and trying to show they are appealing to feminists, LGBTQ, and people who get civically married first.
@@Man-jf6lz Did he claim to be a "scholar"? It's not his problem that the church has been dishonest, and that the BoM, and the BoA, have no evidence to back their claims. Or that the history of the church is . . . icky. He just brought it to light. Saved me from the cult.
When Jeremy read the portions of his Patriarchal Blessing and said : " ...that's where I got my confidence and that the answers would be on the other side and the church would be victorious, that was my mindset..."
I find this very sad, he sought truth and found it but was judged unfairly for it.
Ten years have passed since 2012 when the CES Letter was released publicly. What amazing the moment is.
I wish support systems (like this) were around when I decided to leave and live my life. I was 15 when I felt something wasn't right in the LDS church. I am now 37.
I knew it!!!!!
Same I was lucky to have internet to learn about some things but nothing like what it is now! A lot of guilt I get my college years could have been avoided
People talk about a support system and being courageous and 'they wish they had the courage to leave the church. I don't think I've ever heard of a bishop or anyone else going over to someones house and beating them up or threatening their lives because they decided not to go to church.
@@kevinbradshaw1420 you know what??
@@leemccormack7179 the original comment I was replying to was directed at Netty who I grew up with in the church. Just an inside joke.
I am currently getting ready to leave the Mormon Church and after a great deal of studying and reading and watching very informative video's like this one with Jeremy and John makes it so much easier. Thank you so much for this wonderful video.
Do it! I just officially resigned this month.
All hail Jeremy Runnells . . . creator of the great "red pill" of Mormonism!
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Hail
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Thank you Jeremy for everything you have done for all that seek truth. You have assisted me to discover a new path of greater happiness.
I just read your letter (March 5, 2017) and saved it as it concisely contains everything I have found wrong (and it's a LOT) on the mormon church (and what a godawful mess it is). Great job and thanks for your help.
Hola saludos como hago para poder tener copia de la carta actualizada del 5 marzo del 2017 le agradezco gracias
I have a lot of respect for these gentlemen.
Why because they leave a church??
@@leemccormack7179 Yes that and also exposing the TRUTH about the Mormon cult church in which they lie to the members and they( the leaders) of the church are racists. Mic drop.
I don't have respect for Jeremy. Do you think posting harmful information in a public forum about an organisation that you supposedly value, without being sure if the information is true or not, is a good approach or gentle? Then complaining because they organisation got upset at you for posting harmful information (reckons he was only seeking answers, pull the other one). I also want to know why he is surprised that he was called to a priesthood meeting to discuss his actions? Jeremy made promises or covenants in his LDS Temple and then broke those promises and got the consequences (reckons he left on his own accord, right mate, like it wasn't coming). There is no surprise here unless he really didn't understand the LDS religion and what he was getting himself into when he did his endowment.
@@LUCACAMPBELL-ny4qt The LDS church should not fear the truth. They are excommunicating folks to save face. That's it! All these people are doing is what Joseph Smith was doing in the 10th version of the first vision, asking for the truth!
@@LUCACAMPBELL-ny4qtthat’s why it was in a letter asking questions that never went answered
Thank you Jeremy! Deepest appreciation for every thought and decision, as well as the work you did in this Letter. Thank you!
Jeremy you are such a fantastic inspiration to this World and it's people!!! You are so brave, to not only leave the Church, you are not afraid to ask those questions others would be afraid of because of repercussions. You ignore replies that are meaningless and you seek the proper answers.. I cannot wait to get your book, I look forward to reading it and educating myself more on this topic. I am embroiled in a similar situation in my life for the last three plus years and I am dealing with it the best way I can
Much love and support to you and all in your life who value you as a true human being.
It's been 9 years since I last attended a LDS Chapel. It's great to see that things are progressing well to expose this duff religious claim of restoration that creates much harm (amongst any good) with it's false theology.
The sincere members are great, but the church is not. Those with a conscience to stand for something better will struggle to remain, knowing the full story and the facts.
Jeremy Runnells is a hero as far as I'm concerned. WOOT!
I am a never Mormon subscriber, but I am wondering how long it will be until there are more ex-Mormons in SLC (and Utah in general) than current, active Mormons. When will that tipping point occur?
In 2011 I was in SLC, UT for a business convention. I went into a bar for a drink and the bartender had a black T-shirt that said “Ex-Mormon Drinking Club”. I had a great conversation with this young man!
I asked this young guy if there was a beer he recommended. He suggested the “Polygamy Porter”. The label had a tag line, “Why have just one”. 😎
Amazing work, Jeremy.
This man is doing the Lord's work!
Thankyou Gentlemen. I appreciate you both.
Jeremy still wonders what the charge is...what did he do wrong? He didn't commit a grievous sin. My question to Jeremy is, "what does it matter?" Does a loss in faith precede the sin, or vice versa? Does that matter when there is supposed to be a savior of the world who would forgive either? What does holding a court have to do with Jesus Christ? It is a political action of men pretending to be authorized of God. The Good old Boys Club wants you out, then you're out. You are an amazing person Jeremy. Ignore the political b.s.
Rough stone rolling" - Richard Bushman;
"An insider's view of Mormon origins" - Grant Palmer;
"No man knows my history" - Fawn Brodie;
"In sacred loneliness" - Todd Compton;
"Leaving the Saints - How I lost the mormons and found my faith" - Martha Beck;
SOME BOOKS FOR YOU TO KNOW FACTS ABOUT MORMONISM, THE MORMON CORPORATION, ETC
Thanks! I will be reading all of them.🙋♀️
I have to scratch my head and say "Tell me again why you were excommunicated"?
Jeremy Runnells is literally a modern Martin Luther and is a genuine hero
"OBEDIENCE" (5:00).
Do LDS church leaders not know that obedience is the number one rule in all totalitarian governments?
it all falls back to "they are inspired leaders". If you don't believe that you are so much more free to use critical thinking.
Does that remind you of our present mad king Donald's idea of authoritarian rule!
@@janetpercell3989 Name one of his mad ideas that has harmed you. I don't like Trump's style, but how are his ideas "mad".
@@johnbasiglone1219 there's a lot of Kurdish people who could tell you how his ideas have harmed them.
Once LDS folks realize there is no such thing as LDS leadership receiving revelation from god, the church will lose it's "power". In the mean time, people are waking up to the racist and sexist past of the church. The LDS church is changing things now in their Endowment Ceremony to be more appealing to feminists and women in general. The temple used to tell the woman to hearken to the man as he hearkens to god and now the woman can just hearken to god. They also now allow people to be married in the temple right after a civil marriage. They also changed the policy of not allowing kids of LGBTQ parents to be baptized. They are obviously losing members and trying to show they are appealing to feminists, LGBTQ, and people who get civically married first.
The thanks at the end were very touching, I echo all of their sentiments. Thank you Jeremy for all you've done and best of luck.
Jeremy is the Rosa Parks, Galileo, and Jesse Owens of our modern times. We are so proud of him and Mormon stories.
Not even close to the plight and tribulations of Galileo, Parks and Owens, especially Galileo. Galileo was under house arrest and was facing torture and execution by the Catholic Church.
I agree! People are waking up to the racist and sexist past. The LDS church is changing things now in their Endowment Ceremony to be more appealing to feminists and women in general. The temple used to tell the woman to hearken to the man as he hearkens to god and now the woman can just hearken to god. They also now allow people to be married in the temple right after a civil marriage. They also changed the policy of not allowing kids of LGBTQ parents to be baptized. They are obviously losing members and trying to show they are appealing to feminists, LGBTQ, and people who get civically married first.
Thank you Jeremy!
"Obedience is not morality." -Jeremy Runnells
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
Great interview! Insightful. So glad that Jeremy was willing to talk to John and have it recorded.
You must be a classy dude.
You have never reconciled church history as well as the KEP with your claims. This is why you have have no credibility.
As a former member I appreciate your work. I didn't want to be baptized at 8. Seriously, how many sin's have I done by 8? 18 is a different story however. Being forced to go to church until I couldn't take it anymore at age 12. It was horrid as all Mormon's know of my Uncle and apparently my action's were a direct reflection on a man 2 states away. Whatever. Run people. Don't drink the kool-aide!!!! It's a cult, not a church.
Sue Moore no child of 8 or any age is capable of consenting to this.
At 8 you are not getting baptized to wash away your sins. It’s to join the church.
Thank you!
It's too bad the LDS church did not turn out to be moral or ethical.
Why, why is it too bad? They were a cult from the beginning, started by a fortune telling con-man that has ultimately led millions astray. This organization has been another false religion inspired by Satan.
Thats what happens when its founded by a highly immoral fraud and pedophile
When this man excommunicated the church, I just about cheered out loud with joy! Brave !
You want to get along in the Mormon church you must follow the PPO. Pray, Pay and Obey! What the church is doing is making an example of you as a warning to others that openly question the church and it's doctrine.
There can be no honest scrutiny when the final answer has already been determined.
When someone labels valid criticism of fantastical claims as Anti-Mormon rather then challenge them point by point, you know who has lost the discussion. Name calling is a clear signal that one has been overwhelmed with the evidence.
@Richard Holmes "You're in a cult basically" what gives you this idea?
"By the way, WHO are all the anti-Book of Abraham You Tube videos, books, websites from?" what constitutes an "anti-Book of Abraham" youtube video?
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I know this is an older video, I just have to comment. I've been inactive for close to 20 years, no longer a believer. I was a bit meh about the whole membership thing. My son sent me the CES Letter, recently. I read it and dang I can no longer be silent. I found out this month that the resignation of my church membership has been accepted by headquarters. In my mind, if I stayed and padded their membership, I am in a way complicit in the heinous crap they do. I feel free, after 50 years of membership.
There is an old saying that one of my former bosses in the army always used to utter when approaching a thorny conundrum: "Roma locuta est. Causa et finita!" This means simply, Rome has spoken, the cause is finished. Here in Utah we say, "the brethren have spoken, there is to be no more thinking or discussion on the matter". It is my observation that the official church here in Utah is not unlike being smothered in marshmallows, or being drowned in a vat of Jello. It can start out to be a "sweet" experience, but in the end, like all cults, it becomes stultifying.
Kangaroo courts, cultural intimidation, threats of financial ruin and list rolls on.
However, the most destructive damage is placed on the shoulders of young children.They're forced to accept mind numbing dogma, ritualistic ceremonies and are to accept that their very existence CAUSED the torturous death of Jesus.The latter creates a sense of self-loathing and guilt.
Robert Wallace You couldn't be more incorrect.
Your over reach is typical of a people who believe the 'Spirit' is inspiring them.
Robert Wallace Yawwwwnnn.....wow...just ate a wonderful meal(w/out alcohol)so I was busy. Is there a question I could answer for you bobby?
Robert Wallace You can't get enough of me can ya honey?
+Robert Wallace Fuck off, you homophobe idiot.
Robert Wallace Bob,you're projecting again.
The facts are you're not even a LD$ Corporation member are you Rob.Just one of those guys w/a need for negative attention.BTW..calling a guy names won't help you w/ women. I'm not the reason you're alone.
It always bothers me how the General Authorities come out with new books every year and how costly they are to the LDS consumer. The poor can’t afford their books. There should be only a minimal cost to the saints. The church leaders are profiting from these books!
If you do leave the church be sure to make an official resignation!
It doesn't matter whether you make it an official resignation or not if you decide not to go to church you just don't go. Nobody's going to show up at your door making threats. I can't believe all these outrageous statements about how scared people are about leaving the church it's totally ridiculous. Some of you sound like you left the mafia and a hitman's going to come after you.
@@leemccormack7179 I read that line as showing up at your door making TREATS and I thought you couldn’t be more wrong
@@leemccormack7179 Of course not, the missionaries and the church will always find you and try to reactive you, because the church has your record and so your adress, and your adress will be the reason to missionaries doing proselyting, that was i did when i am on the mission.
It's more about the indoctrination we went through. The guilt. The little things we were programmed with to keep us in the church. Like being damned or whatever for leaving.
In relation to the Church wanting local leaders to hold the Church Courts and be responsible for excommunication(s) might be the legal implications that can be taken against professional Church dignitaries (insofar as they are salaried) and Lay Church Leaders. This is more a question than a statement.
I love what Jeremy is doing. How can the LDS church survive?
+Klarity*11 Can not, did ENRON make it. LDS IS LIKE YUGO CAR SOONER THAN LATER THE COMPANY GOES BUST
For anyone who actually bothers to research the origins of what Jeremy is presenting, he is revealing the truth and not being an anti-mormon at all (anti-mormons lie). I researched most of these things and KNOW that the church has conned us. They are anti-nonmormons! How I wish I hadn't wasted years of my life with con artists. Hopefully, as time goes on more and more of the young will do the research and walk out on Mormonism. There are other churches and religions that are much more honest with people.
It is good that these courts held within the church are exposed, yes he could have walked away, but great to see the one sided church courts in action.
@@presidenteldermarkhoffman8304 they are reaching out to afrika and countries o/s the u s a..
It's crumbling
2 of my hero’s!!!
57:11 “it looks really bad to be silencing and censoring people. That’s not the future of the developed civilized world” Have you heard of 2020/2021? 🤣
I predict that the Mormon church will lose so many members that they won't be able to out birth it.
yep this is not just issues there is lot more I found
JEDI MORMON what else?
The church's annual growth rate is down to
AMEM TO THAT, FRIEND!!!
I agree. People are waking up to the racist and sexist past. The LDS church is changing things now in their Endowment Ceremony to be more appealing to feminists and women in general. The temple used to tell the woman to hearken to the man as he hearkens to god and now the woman can just hearken to god. They also now allow people to be married in the temple right after a civil marriage. They also changed the policy of not allowing kids of LGBTQ parents to be baptized. They are obviously losing members and trying to show they are appealing to feminists, LGBTQ, and people who get legally married first.
Good For you guy, way to go.
"Church history is anti-Mormon." -Jeremy Runnells
Is it going to be available in other languages?
Yes they are all available at cesletter.org
When you have to threaten retribution to someone for not believing the same as you, that's not an example of love, it's trauma bonding. (referring to ex communication)
What an amazing and brave young man
On the point of silencing you guys, Mormons LOVE it when converts to the LDS share their story, but HATE it when ex-Mormons share their story.
It was the same in the church I was raised in (Seventh-Day Adventist, SDA). They LOVE the testimony of people that convert to SDAism, but HATE the opposite.
I really don't like that John's stake president has my same name lol
I find it amazing that the Sandra Tanner interview shared the same points and arguments and Dehlin seemed to feel much more confrontational about her position. I know he was still actively Mormon at the time but it still makes me wonder why? Though she wasn’t excommunicated, maybe that’s why it seemed much harsher towards her position of questioning the Mormon church?
Maybe a new caveat of the "word of wisdom" will be to abstain from reading and sharing any derogatory information whether true or speculative about the church.
This "church" is laughable. If its message were true, it could endure scrutiny, openly.
Might have been smarter to send the LDS essays to all the hacked emails
“Obedience and conformity is more important than morality and integrity. Mormonism is based on authoritarianism.” 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Growing up evangelical, the one verse that was quoted consistently was that “all authority was appointed by God.” Therefore, we should actively seek to be an “armor bearer” to our leaders, to support them- and that the Bible says to question them or not support them will “incur judgement” upon ourselves.
38:10 That's a brilliant trip up Jeremy!
Anybody: what’s the letter called on Kindle pls? I can only find an anti CES letter ebook.
Andrea Diamond go to Ces.org on the internet where You can download it as a pdf or a ePub unfortunately it’s not yet available yet as a kindle download the site shows that it will be available for kindle soon .I don’t know how long it will be before it’s available ,clicking on the pdf in your browser should open it in your browser you can read it that way or then save it and install a pdf reader app on your phone or computer I don’t have a android so I’m not sure how that works I don’t have a kindle device either so I can’t be more helpful I hope that this will be helpful in getting it so you can read it if you haven’t yet
POR FAVOR PODRÍAN TRADUCIR TODO SUS CONTENIDOS AL ESPAÑOL PARA QUE LA COMUNIDAD LATINOAMERICANA PUEDA ENTENDER GRACIAS
Necesito una traducción de esto al español por favor si alguien podría hacerlo muchas gracias
Don't mess with Jeremy Runnels! 😂😂😂
Jeremy, I am very proud of you for questioning & seeking answers. It sounds though as you were only seeking answers to your doubts regarding Mormon history and not the doctrine. One of your videos mentions the Muslim faith. I'm curious as to why one would believe Joseph Smith with his revelations over Muhammad who also claims to have received revelations from God. I realize there are some translation errors in the Bible but don't Mormons claim to use the Bible (as long as it doesn't contradict the Book of Mormon). I'm also curious as to what Mormons teach as the gospel. I'm glad you were able to make the break from Mormonism. I will pray that you will soon begin your search for the truth.
Jeremy has the right to his own free agency, and does not have to go to the disciplinary council. Having the police force you to go to that meeting is another story. He can go out to dinner with his wife on Valentine's Day and ignore the idiots... !!
Ngl, every time I’ve heard this mans name for the past year I thought people were saying Jeremy Reynolds. I feel extraordinarily stupid
Shocking language in comments section, anyone who feels the need to continually swear has a very low I. Q . As for discussion of L.D.S I feel so sorry for the poor young missionaries who give 2 yrs of their precious young lives AND PAY THEIR OWN MONEY to spread the news to all , I respect their beliefs and will always make them comfortable in my home with the offer of food or a treat . HOWEVER the poor things work hard to bring people into their church and may even manage to Baptize some people ONLY TO FIND THAT QUITE A LOT LEAVE BECAUSE THEY SEE THE HYPOCRISY, MISTRUST AND GOSSIP AMONG SOME MEMBERS WHO INITIALLY WELCOMED THEM. ELDERS BLESS YOU ALL BUT PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU LEAVE A NEW MEMBER. I COULD NEVER PUT MYSELF OR MY FAMILY THROUGH THE MISERY CAUSED BY BORN MEMBERS OSTRACIZING NEW MEMBERS, SO MANY TEARS AFTER 3 HOURS EVERY SUNDAY.
lol you are Mormon obviously! Does feelings and emotions make the choices in your Religion. Yeah feelings are how Cults control. LDS have low IQs to fall for such nonsense. Such nonsense the Bible contradicts it easily and quickly. Not rocket science! LDS told history contradicts truth lol.
It is nice to know there is a group of people who also left the church. I left quitely and i honor my family who still pray for me to return. I started meditating and believing in multiple lives reincarnation many worlds, Heaven is so vast no need for Temples to do nonbelievers Temple work when we are all connected to the God of all creation and all living life on the earth, we keep coming back to earth or other planets to learn and grow our spirit selfs within a physical body wevwill come down as male and or female depending on what we want to experience sharing learning abd griwing together with each other we earn colors for our auric fields based on competition of our growth and development. Back to the Church If there were ever the Golden Plates there would be no reason for the church to hide them from the public its so silly if you actually have any intelligence. I wanted to create myself a license plate holder that said "SHOW ME THE PLATES" but didnt! My family says even the Elite will be deceived looking at me I say no the Elite wake up and move on 😂
he has come so far since being on table 9 in the wedding singer
Just hearing this. As a never Mo I really struggle along with many others about the trauma people feel about being excommunicated. If you feel that strongly about the churches teaching just keep quiet until you find another church where you can worship. In the rest of the world no one really cares about the Mormon church unless there is something illegal. Excommunication is just not a big deal. Your local news should cover this but national news only covers things of interest to the whole country. Most people just think it’s just those crazy Mormons. Maybe you could do a show on why excommunication is so hard for church members.
Traduction français please merci
Maybe had the leaders tried to work with Jeremy on this, ces letter wouldn’t have blown up like it did and less people would have left. Thank god those men aren’t too bright
I still can't believe how STUPID the liders are!! I always had an idea that the liders of the church were brilliant men !! How little did I know 😂
@@julietamascareno8047 I know. I think some people even base some of their testimony on that. I've heard people say if it's false then how come these smart men are leading it? After watching some conference talks recently I realized they're just sort of rambling on and putting together gospel talking points with cute stories. But no real substance.
Why would he care if he was excommunicated? He does not believe in it. So why all this big show? This has always caused me the biggest problem with these people. They "want the church to leave them alone." But they can't leave the Church alone. And what does he says he feels he is being punished for writing the letter? He is very clear that he no longer believe. So, what is the big deal? Attention.
John are you still
a mormon?? ive seen you ride the fence on this issue a lot in the past.
He was technically excommunicated and I know he doesn't believe all or at least part of the LDS teachings. I believe he misses belonging and part of the lifestyle, maybe not all of it.
Funny at end talking about court of love. They do not instruct people who break one ten commandments no no. It's anything they think is against there Church and Religion. Telling very telling!
My question is with the individuals that decide to leave the Church, do they still believe in God? Eternal life? In the Mormon Stories interviews, I never hear that point of view from the individuals.
is the church on life support?
Jeremy, may God bless you in your life. But between you and your faithful grandpa, I would rather be like your grandpa every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
THEY DID IT ON VALENTINES DAY WHY. WHY YOU ASK? i KNOW! THEY FIGURED NO WAY JEREMY WOULD ACTUALLY SHOW UP ON VALENTINES DAY TO DO THIS. NO HE DID
It was Valentines Day. They wanted to screw him over.
Why is Valentine's day so special? It is just another day to my wife(of 31 years) and myself. We are still very much in love and do not need some special day of the year to declare our love for each other. I bring her flowers about five times a year and not in Valentine's Day, another marketing ploy by the merchandisers.
Whenever you want to compare notes on being empathetic, I am ready.
I didn't know any thing about this letter until now. On one hand I can relate to things said. On the churches prospective you could understand how they may feel like their being torn down and can't support that.. We never knew Joseph Smith personally. Why not judge the church on the merits it offers now than digging up past dirt before our time?
Well, simply put, it's because the LDS Church itself has insisted that faith in Joseph Smith's vision and books is the foundation for exaltation (salvation, by normal Christian standards).
Because all the teachings of the church come from smith supposedly from God. But it's all a fraud so the church has 0 legitimacy.
What does C.E.S. abbreviation stand for?
Church Essay Studies??
Church Education System
*Youth in California asked of my brother. Approached by Mormons; Jeremy led them to Christ, The Light of world. Impressed with Jeremy; not following Mormons! I confirmed The Holy Bible ( KJV), applies here and now. Youth in California thank Jeremy.*
Its weird how they keep saying joeseph smith wrote the book of Mormon through looking at a stone in a hat like it explains everything? well ok that being true isn't that miraculous, can we investigate this process more?
its CON! They lied about how he translated LDS history! Yes LDS lied not Jeremy. The history is so bad lol joe should have said he built a spaceship and flew to moon and sun to talk to sun people. Did not happen but LDS would have not told anyone he said that or did that. Hide history, delete,change,ignore. My statement is an example not actual history! My fiction story. Delwyn maybe English is not your first language. Obvious if you study what is going on. Rock seer stone is in SLC UTAH in locked vault. They pull them out from time to time. No one has got magic rocks to work from my knowledge.
yes please. the church is constantly researching as much as they can about it, and releasing what they see fit as "not all information is needed".
The problem is that the church doesn't teach that that's how he translated it wrote the BOM. They say and teach that Joseph translated the plates touching them, reading and translate them. That's how the movie about him and the restoration shows ND that's how missionaries teach it. If there's nothing wrong with the use of a stone and hat to write the book then why the church doesn't want people to know.
In the video, Mr. Runnels already had a resignation letter. He even had a ready video. After his meeting, he even went outside to address people. It seems he was already made up. I have nothing against him but his basis for leaving the Church is not as solid as it seems.
So stay RAY....Be a fool...It's your life.
I don’t know whether to be disturbed by the fact that Jeremy formed a board of directors in case he gets run over by a bus, is he in fear of his life because of this?
Jeremy have you read bamboozled by the CES letter….by Michael R Ash?
He seems to have answers to your questions….
I have read both and think you both bring up great points.
I wonder how many Mormons name their little boys Jeremy now…?
Why does he need interpreter ? At that meeting is he somewhat deaf but reads lips?
I think he is just hard of hearing and the interpreter makes it easy for him to follow along.
Mormon need to drop serving Joseph Smith and the book of mormons and become follower of Jesus. The billion dollar industri of this cult is scary. Btw Kudos to Mr Runnels!
I mean wtf do they have left without Joseph smith. Without smith and the resteroration what Is the point of the church, lol
What does C.E.S. stand for?
Church Education System
The CES Red Pill.
For all of John and Jeremy's Efforts I bid them AN Ever Lasting Farewell.
+Micah Tuner FAREWELL LDS AND THE FICTION BOOKS. LIKE DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SOONER THAN LATER YOU WILL QUIT! LDS IS LIKE SLINKY IT'S A TOY YOU USE BUT SOONER THAN LATER FORGET ABOUT IT. LDS IS LIKE RUBIKS CUBE AFTER YOU FIGURE IT OUT YOU TOSS IT IN TRASH. LDS IS LIKE PLAYDOE IT'S SOFT AND SMUSHY BUT YOU GET SICK OF SMELL.
dude lay off the caps lock, calm down.
Good thing your everlasting farewell is based on a complete fabrication and has no actual correlation to reality. Dust your shoes off at them too while you’re at it.
What does C E S stand for?
Church education system.😊
What is your question Bro about the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
Do you have answer's?
OK WHY WOULD THEY DO IT ON FEB 14. MY THEORY IS THIS IS BIG FOR LDS CHURCH. WHAT BETTER DAY TO TRY DO THIS. MEMBERS BUSY WITH THERE LOVED ONES. LDS LEADERSHIP WOULD BE PISSED OFF TRY DO THE EXCOM FAST ON THIS DAY.
April 2024
Any one ask him how far he actually took his research. Smith had a stern warning for David Whitmere. The same will apply here
In Jeremy's surreptitious recording of his church court that he posted, he made a big deal about being denied an ASL interpreter with him, however here it seems he doesn't need one - so which is it?
I think you are confusing two different instances. He did not post the leaked video either I don't think.
He also claimed to be an atheist but conveniently utilizes "Christ" and "Christ-like" during his statement.
At 51:30 he explains he had an infection and operation related to his cochlear implant at that time.
@@adamv4951 lol okay that's so nit picky he just means it's not like the character Christ. Just like someone could act like harry Potter or any other fictional character. He means it's contradictory.
I laughed watching this as Jeremy is saying he isn't bringing people out of the church and they don't have a reason to excommunicate him. Then a parade of people come to the microphone and tell how his letter brought them out of the church.
Edit: I don't yet know how his meeting went but I was thinking that this video and the comment section could be used as evidence.
#Mormon #LDS
#confirmationbias
Yes, youre right, confirmation bias is a tactic commonly used by church members to not acknowledge some of the damning evidence against the church.
People are waking up to the racist and sexist past. The LDS church is changing things now in their Endowment Ceremony to be more appealing to feminists and women in general. The temple used to tell the woman to hearken to the man as he hearkens to god and now the woman can just hearken to god. They also now allow people to be married in the temple right after a civil marriage. They also changed the policy of not allowing kids of LGBTQ parents to be baptized. They are obviously losing members and trying to show they are appealing to feminists, LGBTQ, and people who get civically married first.
That's terrible being excommunicated. Only faithful members in good standing are qualified to judge others in their sins, so now Jeremy can't speak critically of church history anymore :(
+Caleb No he excommunicated evil twits, pharasies from his life. Critical history is ramping up. Complete utter fraud. Truth is just coming out how long will LDS last with truth coming out?
+Caleb pretty sick how LDS people operate on lie's. Think if your were LDS and told a friend they know something but are actually completely lying to them. Pretty sick, ENRON said they have done nothing wrong lol. THE LDS SUPPORTERS REMIND ME OF SAME PEOPLE CLAIMING ENRON IS GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS AND EVEN WENT ON CNBC. TRUTH THEY CLOSED THIER DOORS HOW SAD
i'm a card carrying priesthood holder...just here observing.
Glad you feel the freedom to observe!
@@ButterflyRebekah don't tell my bishop.
@@iamthegreatcornholio7836 I have a question for you, then.
Just to give you a little bit of my own background, I recently had the honor of meeting with 4-6 very sincere young Mormon Missionaries for a few weeks.
I was, I admit, surprised at some of the rules. Like, when I wanted to share some of my favorite hymns with them, it was not allowed.
Similarly, it seems like they are not allowed even to contact friends or family except once a week. I literally knew someone in prison with more freedom, lol. The LDS church must not believe that these young men have the Holy Spirit, because we know from the Bible that "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom" rather than regulations.
So, for you yourself, why do you think the LDS church might want to prohibit free research and extra knowledge? I myself would always welcome scrutiny.
@@ButterflyRebekah imo the lds church is a fraud and needs to propogate its lie. they don't want members questioning things; just to be obedient and the church maintains control.