JSB Hades vs Heavy's - Air Rifle Pest Control
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Hades or Heavy?
I was considering switching to JSB Hades from #JSB Heavy's some time ago and last week, I managed to get my hands on some Hades. This video shows the tests I did to compare the #Hades and the Heavy's - which made up my mind.
These new pellets from JSB are superb. They hit really hard, dump a load of energy and are as accurate as the JSB Heavy's - in my rifle anyway! :)
I test these against fruit, wood, metal, ballistic gel and water; and they're absolutely brilliant.
This is a 43-minute video - probably one of the longer one's I've done but I've covered a lot in it.
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I too must be a sad little geek, because I just watched the entire video at 0400 hours with my morning coffee and it held my interest the whole way through.
Terminal ballistics is basically "Fluid Dynamics," how well or how poorly an object moves through a fluid. If it moves well (has minimal resistance), then there is very little disruption to the surrounding fluid (tissue) and the object will go farther in that fluid with a given amount of energy and leave a path (wound) no larger than the diameter of that object. If it moves poorly through a fluid (has greater resistance) then it will not travel as far in the fluid AND will leave a path (wound) greater than the object's diameter. You proved this in your gel test, the Heavy has "good flow" characteristics and penetrated much deeper in the gel and left a very narrow wound. The Hades, because of its triangular shaped hollows in the head, has "poor flow" characteristics and as a result did not penetrate as far, BUT left a much larger wound.
Fluid dynamics ALSO applies to air (especially as velocities go up). If it flows well through the air, then it's path will be more consistent and less affected by variables in the air (more accurate). If it doesn't flow well, then it will be MORE affected by variables in the air (wind, humidity etc) and be less accurate. You can test this while driving in your car. If you hold your hand flat out of the window, it will have "good" flow characteristics and be less affected by the wind. If you hold your hand out, palm forward, it will have "bad" flow characteristics and be greatly affected by the wind. Exactly like a pointed or flat pellet travelling through the air to the target.
Sorry, went "Full Geek" there for a minute.
That was a very interesting read! You went Full Geek but it was interesting! Especially as you can see how it applies to the pellets in these tests.
Thank you very much for watching and more so for taking the time and thought in the comment. It helped hugely in explaining the complexity of ballistics!
Stay safe my friend. I hope you enjoy the other videos!👍👍
@@arpc I'm not a rocket scientist, but give me a little coffee at 4 am, and I'll pretend to be almost anything LOL
@@DetailedbyDon Haha. It's the caffeine. I know that feeling! 😂
Very comprehensive video which give us a clear reference on how good the Hades .177 is! Thank you very much mate. If possible, we all be most grateful to see the Hades .177 performing at long distance targets and/or pest. All the best for you
Hi Jose!! I hope you're well. These tests were really all about how hard these pellets hit and what damage they did when they did, comparing them to the Heavy's I currently use!
I've been speaking to Pontypool Pest Control (PPPC) and this guy's looking at doing the video you are talking about. He's an FT man and he's very interested in longer range accuracy.
Make sure you subscribe to this channel - he's a top bloke and that will be an awesome video! 👍
Thanks for watching - please stay safe!! 😷😁👍
@@arpc Thank very you much for your kind reply...I am already suscribed to Pontypool Pest Control You Tube Channel and looking forward for his incoming videos and of course I look forward for your videos as well. Man I`d love .177 calliber pellet. I see both of you use this calliber for pest control ... all the very best for you and your family and stay safe!!
With the pellet tin / ballistic gel, if you try the same with clay or playdoh in the tin you will be able to see the shock / wound channel as the pellet passes through . Its really fun !
Thanks for that! I'll take a look - I'll raid the kid's supplies and see if I can find some.
I suppose it'll hold the shape won't it. 👍👍
Thanks for watching mate. I appreciate it. 😁👍
Great review, can't wait to see these show up in NZ
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The Hades are very good at 30 yards or less. Kills quarry in a instant! I then shot them at 50 yards with my BSA Scorpion and weren’t the best. Even a tiny bit of wind takes them off target. So for longer ranges I would opt for the Jsb Heavy’s, accuracy is more important than damage!
Absolutely agree about the accuracy!! The Heavy's do the job and kill well so if I find the Hades aren't doing what I want with love quarry, I'll switch back in an instant.
Thanks for your thoughts on this. You're confirming what I found and it's interesting to hear others views! 👍
Stay safe! 😁😷👍
100% agree! You’ll get a lot of satisfaction out of the Hades on live quarry! 🤩 Love the videos man! 😁
Thank you Louis! It means a lot to get the nice feedback. Thanks again for your comments and thoughts. I appreciate it! 👍👍
I have taken small game at over twice that distance with both pellets, (16.5fpe break barrel gun). Even to 80 yards on targets, there is virtually no difference between the Hades and the same weight/geometry JSB Diabolo 10.34gr heavy pellet. I sight my gun in at 35 yards. I have had no their pellets that stay on it's path to 80 yards and can hit 75mm targets with both pellets at that distance. I find them to be the most wind resistant, which is consistent with physics. I find no measurable difference in their long range capability, (including zero or very little scope adjustment between the 2 pellets), so I am picking the Hades.
I am using the .177 cal.
Fully agree that the Hades are a better hunting pellet. The Jumbo Heavy are still good and will still keep a tin handy but from now on my pellet of choice is the Hades.
Do you find them making more mess? I mean, when I used H&N in Hunter Extremes, they left a blood bath behind. The head on them seemed to drill in it not the quarry.
I was wondering if these pellets were similar when compared to a dome head?
Thanks mate! 👍👍
@@arpc I used them the other night on the rats and there seems to be more leakage from the head shots. I am not sure if it's because they are more accurate and therefore better strikes to the head or because they are causing more damage. Either way these pellets are friggin' awesome and I have just got two more 500 round tins. I don't want to run out.
Some of those who use ballistic gel found it was easier to show a wound channel by dripping food colouring into the hole and letting it "bleed through".
It certainly made seeing the effects much easier to see :D
Excellent idea. I will be doing more videos using this gel so I will keep this in mind for next time.
Thank you!! 👍👍
@@arpc No problem, though I recommend testing the food dye with your gel to be sure it works, they may have been using a different gel or dye and they might not work well together
Great video really enjoyed that mate, I admire your effort n enthusiasm on your videos, keep them coming 👍
Thanks mate. I really appreciate your kind words and that wicked feedback. I wanted to learn more and thought it may help others if they're looking at these pellets too.
Thanks for watching mate. Stay safe! 😁😷👍
@@arpc Stay safe 👍
Tried mine this morning in the 510 carbine versus air arms field. The Hades had it all the way in the accuracy test. I totally loved the Hades and not much of a zero shift between the 8.4gn air arms and the 10.34gn Hades. Looking forward to try them out in a hunting session. Look forward to the next vid mate. :-)
Cheers Donald!!
I found the Heavies were pretty much exactly the same as the AAFD and, profile wise in the ATN, the Hades are similar to the Heavies.
I need to get them out on live quarry and see how they do! 👍👍
@@arpc I look forward to seeing/ doing just that myself mate.
I haven't read through all of the comments, so this might save been mentioned, if so, I apologise. . .Has this comparison been made at 50 metres, using a chrono velocity test? My assumption is that the Hades would not be as aerodynamic as the domed pellet and I would like to see figures comparing the two. The penetration tests, to my mind didn't prove a lot.
Great comprehensive video buddy, didn’t get chance to try them in my Dreamline yet but will soon. These should be great on the bunnies 🐰!
Thanks buddy - I appreciate that. I really like them! I'm hoping to get more accuracy tests done and get more practice in then turn them loose of some squirrels, rats, ferals and rabbits.
Hope you're well. Stay safe mate! 😁😷👍
Air Rifle Pest Control You too mate. All the best 😉
Managed a rabbit at 25yds the other night with the .177 hades, and wow does it give a wallop...
Great video! Very educational. Keep it up.
Thank my friend. That's very kind. I hope you're well and staying safe.
Thanks for watching! 👍👍
Thanks mate for a great video, and all the comparisons you did, fair bit of time and effort on your part, coupled withe editing on top, you did a Fantastic job mate, cranking job, Cheers
Thanks my friend!! It was quite an epic shoot but very worthwhile. It helped me understand how these new pellets perform and if they're suitable for my rifle.
So far, I'm very impressed!! 👍
Thanks for watching and for your comments mate. Much appreciated! 😁👍
I must be sad, but I found that super interesting... I’ve recently started up air rifle shooting again and I was ‘sold’ the Hades.... it seems I was given good advice...👍👍
Sad, or a Geek like me? 😂 They're very impressive. I'm waiting on some in 0.22 to test in my new rifle. In 0.177 I was hugely impressed, I hope the 0.22 are as good! 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting and... welcome back! 😁👍
not sad bro:D we all have our hobbys and activitys we enjoy
Answering the real questions!
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!! 👍👍
It's a pity you couldn't get a slo' mo' shot of the pellets travelling through the gel to get an idea of the temporary wound channel. I think it would be very telling.
I absolutely agree! I was looking at seeing how I could get hold of a slo mo camera and do more shots like this. Stay tuned... 🤔👍
Great video mate! Very well put together and good testing! I've been wondering what real difference between the two could be! Thanks for making this video,...new subscriber here!👍
Hi Chris!
Thank you very much! I'm hoping to do a similar one soon with .22 pellets, sub 12 and see how they compare.
Thanks for the sub. I really appreciate the support! 👍👍
Well put together video, thank you 👍🏻
Great video bud, thanks for taking time to post your findings.
Cheers Mark. Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate it mate.
I hope you're well and staying safe buddy! :)
I went on the JSB website & the MD said that all the pellets in that weight range are the same - It's just that they have say 30 odd moulds & Daystate want their pellets from say moulds 17 & 23 & Air Arms want theirs from say 9 & 28 (Just made that up but that's how it works) You see There is no such thing as same!! - Moulds are made with Tolerances, however small that may be & Gun makers like to put their name to certain Mould sets.
Perfect my friend.
Great job on the video I was wondering how well the 177 caliber Hade's would be now I just have to wait until they get them State side
I can't believe they're not there in the States. You guys usually get all the goodness first. 😂👍
@@arpc not so far I have checked with Pyramid air and Airgun Depot and Utah Air
Great video buddy that's all I use is the hades and I'm going to be swapping over to then for the theoben rapid 17 mrk 1 in 177cal next week thanks for sharing a.t.b Andrew
Cheers Andy!! I'll be very interested in knowing what you think of them in .177. 👍
Thanks for watching buddy. Stay safe mate! 😁2
Is that a fellow Mackem accent my senses detect? Can’t mistake that North Sea east coast wind on the mic either! Great video. I’m busy using my Pulsar to test .177 QYS 8.48gn v AA Field Diablos and against my hunting go-to the 10.34gn JSB Heavy. Also have the test to do of Polymag shorts against the 9.56grain QYS’s.
Have subscribed so look forward to seeing your videos and more vids. Best of luck. (I’m SR6 Marina based) 👍
Hi mate! Almost there! The Mackem is bang on but the wind you hear is from the South. I moved away a decade ago... but kept the accent. 👍
The QYS are good pellets. Then again so are the AADF's. That's a good comparison. You videoing these tests?
Thanks for the sub! I appreciate that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the videos mate! Stay safe!! 😷😁👍
Hades do not exit rat's Barnets so imagine how much they deform!!!! SO... if you can develop something that can stop the pellet within one or 2 cm we will see the truth of 'power dump' when a Hades goes in a rats skull
Thanks for the informative video ARPC 👍. I'm definitely leaning towards the Hades pellets 👉🚀.
Liked, Loaded and shared ✔.
Stay safe 😷🙏. Cheers
Thanks my friend. Let me know if you switch and what you think! 👍
Thanks for watching another episode mate. Stay safe! 😷😉
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Really good video. I'm assuming the hades are pretty expensive pellets but they look like they would do a great job on tough quarry at close range. A shame about the possible accuracy issue over longer range as they look like a great pellet for rabbits.
Thank you! I appreciate the kind feedback. They're about the same as the JSB Exact Heavy's.
I'm going to test them more at longer ranges. The good thing is, they seem to be swappable with the Heavy's as far as my rifle and scope are concerned to if I am looking at longer shots, I can switch to Heavy's. For closer ranges on rats and Squirrels maybe, I can use the Hades - if they're not reliable at longer ranges.
I agree, I think they may be pretty impressive on rabbits. 😁👍
USA here, $120.00 Benjamin break barrel 16.5fpe scoped rifle. No accuracy issues here, hitting 3" targets (75mm), at 80 yards, (I sight my gun in at 35 yards). Almost no difference in flight compared to the same size heavy JSB pellet. If I have to adjust my scope between the 2 pellets, it is only a click or two. I have no interest in any other pellet. These pellets are accurate and will take small game to at least 70 yards if you shoot your gun well. But with only 12fpe, you might as well be shooting marbles from a sling shot. I would not want any less power than 16fpe for these most excellent pellets, but they should still fly straighter, (other than normal pellet drop), than most anything else at distance. Even to 80 yards, I have never had one fly sideways.
@@EarthSurferUSA Have you seen Gamekeeper John shoot a slingshot ?
Although Hades are extremely good in .22 rifles, no one at the range has found a rifle that was even ok shooting them in .177, shame they lose so much energy compared to other pellets out to only 35 yards.
My government allows us Indians only .177 under 15 ftpnds , according to new rules . So for Indians it's only .177 airguns from now on till kingdom come . I've been using jsb heavy cause it's the nearest I can get to a .22 , this video gave me fresh perspective .thank you sir .
Thank you very much! Thanks for watching and for the info. If you're limited to .177, then I imaging you'd want a heavier but acxurate pellet.
I'm glad this has helped you!
Thanks for watching! 👍 Stay safe! 😁😷👍
Great video thanks for that information. A thought about the pellet that turned in the last gel block. If it had turned in the gel you would have found gel in the skirt of the pellet. As there was none I think your theory about through and rebound back in the gel is correct.
Thanks for watching William. I appreciate it.
That's a good point! It would have scooped up the gel as it passed through. I didn't see any.
I've never seen anything like this before, I'm sure it rebounded because the gel absorbed almost all it's energy. 👍
Great video! I recently switched from crosman premier hp in 14.3 grain to the hades in 15.89. They shrank my groups by over 3/4 inch at 30 yards and are devastation on game and pests!
Wow! That's a hell of a difference. I do like them. I'm just not fully convinced my rifle likes them as much as the Heavy's but I'm giving them a good run and test.
The Heavy's are absolutely astounding.
Thank you for watching! I appreciate it! 👍👍👍
Great video loads of information definitely going to get some heavies and hades and see what works out for me 👍👍
Thank you.
It's all down to preference and your rifle really. Most important, enjoy the shooting! 👍
@@arpc well it will make a change of going down the rabbit hole testing 22 lr ammo
Not really tested my HW 100 to see what it prefers hopefully find a winner in aas jsb or qys 🤞🤞
Very cool. In .22 @ 907 FPS they split into 4 pieces. 3 petals and a central core. They anchor game pretty good. I use Playdoe as a medium to test pellets but as of late, I started using Ballistic putty because it doesn’t dry out and makes a really good indoor back stop. I found it in the electrical dept of Lowe’s. 1# block for 3$. 2” of it will stop a .25 cal FAC. PYA sales it too I think in a 5 or 6# block. Much cleaner than Playdoe.
That's interesting! I'm in the UK, I can order Ballistic Gel/Putty but it's expensive compared to the gel I make up.
I think the breaking is what they're designed to do. They're frangible. I think you're seeing the perfect result.
Thanks for watching - I appreciate it and it was good to hear your experiences with these! 👍👍
I was an avid Hades user untill I purchased the calibragun cricket,
At 40 yards the Hades group were within a 50mm circle,
But the jsb exact were pellet on pellet,
So each pellet is barrel specific,
I found .177 Hades awesome. .22, not that good. I use RS Exact in .22 and they're the best I've used.
As a big fan of the heavies I'd say disappointing deformation of both tbh.
I know the heavies are a far more effective for hunting than regular 8.4 gr Jsb exacts.
The best pellets I've ever tried for deformation/damage are Rws super h points,a big pity they are one of the most innacurate 'decent make' pellets I've tried.
I'd say the worst for deformation are Crosman accupels/premiers,they seem to drill through almost anything due to their harder mix of lead/antimony.
I use heavier pellets because I am limited to the weight above 10gr in .177 which I need for my ATN Ballistic Calculator to work.
I was a fan of the 8.4gr AADF but I found the heavies were just as accurate and made a bigger mess of the quarry whilst working with the ballistic calculator.
At the end of the day, it is the accuracy that kills rather than the the calibre or defamation. I prefer headshots, and they kill regardless.
cracking vid buddy have to pick some up for a test for the rats an squirrel
They're awesome. Really impressed. Thanks for for watching mate. I appreciate it! 👍
Hope you're editing is going smoothly! 👍😁
@@arpc no worries buddy enjoy your stuff .. haha yeah getting the hang off it now lol
Nice video jonny, very interesting 👍
Cheers David! Thanks for watching another video! And thanks for your feedback mate. 👍👍
Hades 15.89/.22 works well in the HW44, HW98, and Dianawerks M-34 Oldie. 50-80 yards a quatering crosswind will give you some drift. Terminators in .22 by H &N are really good too. Both knock shards of metal off tin cans at 40 yards. You can see the shrapnel in the scope. I tried those .177 JSB heavyweight in the HW97K, and at short distance you can use them as a thumper. They drop off a bit
at distance. I would use them in a PCP .177 gun if I had one.
Thanks for this. Most of my shots are close (ish) range and the Hades seem to slam hard at these ranges, in .177.
I've just ordered some JSB Ultra Shocks. You tried these?
Air Rifle Pest Control Have not yet tried the ULTRASHOCKS. I was eyeballing them online. Great minds think alike. Sometimes I zero'd my HW98 in .22cal JSB 18.13gr @ 40 yards, and then when a rabbit is 15 yards, I holdunder one, and use the 25gr JSB Monster from a break-barrel. Works well. Now, I've been having a great deal of success with Hades. Went through 500 in a week. : )
I have found that the Hades are effected by the wind a little more , and I find on average I get 1-2 fliers every 14 shots .. harder hitting but not as accurate over 30 meters ..
Same here. I always end up going back to standard Diabolo pellets in the end.
Just watched all the way through. Good interesting stuff. I didn't see you taste the apples? or lick the lemon n lime?, could be that some pellets don't like apples or low cal drinks? This must have taken you ages to sort out, especially the superb pallet target stand. Unfortunate that the wind decided to f*** things up a bit. I've had a tin of .177 Hades for a few months but just haven't had a chance to try them. .22's are coming for squirrels in a few weeks. Excellent stuff. Jonny, stop biting your nails - you naughty boy.. 🍻
Cheers Pete! It did take a while to set up and I have a few repairs to make to the pallet backstop - and maybe a few Hades proof improvements! I am looking forward to trying these on the rats and squirrels - I'll let you know how I get on with that. Have you tried them in .22 yet? Or will you be venturing into these for the first time?
Haha - I know, I need to stop biting my nails. This is stress, having two kids and a wife in Lockdown! This trip out was a sanity reclaimer! :)
@@arpc Had a sample pack of 30 .22 Hades from ebay about 4-5 weeks ago. Filled 2 out of 3 feeders with B M nuts (3rd feeder requires surgery, a fallen tree has squashed it) Tuesday. I then did a rough zero with the rifle and used 12 hades pellets. 3 tins coming from JSR, will get back there for action (hopefully) in a couple of weeks. Haven't been there for a year or so, should be plenty about.. Pete.
Nice video, you put some time into this, and thanks for sharing...
I personally have hunted, and did much pesting with the 1.77 JSB Heavies 10.34g and worked beautifully at very long ranges, as they were so darn accurate! Many jackrabbits have fallen to this specific pellet, as well as ground squirrels, cotton tail rabbits, rats etc...
Believe me I have tried so many pellets to find the very best.
The Hades seem good but for short distances. But then again, a lot of variables here, type of gun, power it's shooting at etc, etc.
Lots of styles of amo out there but I obviously I just use what my guns love, and we're talking, only 4-5 types, two of them being extremely accurate even out to 80-100yards!
Boy seems that wind is blowing hard around you!
Safe shooting my friend :-)
BRILLIANT video mate , enjoyed it a lot , I also tested the Hades ( .177 ) early last week , and came too the very same conclusion , that they are very susceptible to the wind , I voiced my concerns on airgun sniper elite channel , run by Mark Holding , im glad you have come too the same conclusions , including ( as I mentioned on other channel ) the fact there ALWAYS seems to be the mandatory flier .. .. this I can probably conclude , is also due to the eliments .. and I thought I was a crap shot ( I probably am too be fair ) ... super vid ...
What would I use for hunting? I think id stick with the bog standard JSB 10.34 .. or its more expensive sibling the daystate rangemaster sovereign heavies ... .
Hey Mark!
Thanks very much for watching and leaving such in-depth info!! It's interesting that you've experienced the same issues I have.
I think I'm happy with them to shoot live quarry. I'll get some more testing in the garden tomorrow first and test some groups.
Thanks Mark - I'm glad someone else has experienced the same as I have! That was really interesting! 👍👍
Stay safe mate. 😷😁
Hopefully I'm not asking too dumb of a question... What sort of feet per second are you shooting at? I am joining the geek club. I loved the video!
Thanks John! Welcome to the geek club! 😁 I'm shooting 625 average. With the RS pellets I'm using here. That's under 12 ft/lbs.
Interesting video mate, look a great pellet at 30 yards after that the accuracy isnt good enough in a sub 12ft lb rifle
I've seen that too. I think PPPC is itching to do some longer range testing with these. They look perfect for closer range shots/ratting. Cheers for watching mate!! :)
Perfect for the Fac air rifle
Great video. I found that they cause more damage and do expand like you said. My grouping is like your first grouping though. 1 in 5 pellets will be a flyer an inch or so away from the aim point and the group isn't as good as the heavies. I have looked around and the BC for the Hades is 0.0265 so you can input it in the scope. Although I like you have an ATN 4k and found up to 20 yards I could just use the heavy pellet profile with no issues up to that distance. Be interesting to see how you get on at longer ranges.
I've started using Hades in .22 and I've found them to be more accurate and stable than the closest match to Heavies for .22. Again, I've only used them in out to about 30 yards at the moment.
To be honest, I think anything beyond maybe 30 yards I'd use the AADF's as they're heavy enough and are a nice Diabolo pellet (also cast by JSB).
@@arpc yeah my thoughts are the same short distance for the 0.177 hades. Not tried the 0.22. As I am sub 12 I am not sure the 0.22 would expand as it is a thicker pellet. I use the 14.35 gr pellet as it flys a bit flatter.
I'm just getting into air-guns. I was told that when shooting small game a ''heavy'' dome-shaped pellet that is accurate in your rifle, is the one that will penetrate the skull best, ensuring a kill. On small game and pests, there just isn't enough acceleration or mass on body shots to cause much deformation. Accuracy and confidence in the pellet you choose is probably what counts most, though!
Exactly. I keep trying different pellets but always come back to a standard, diabolo dome pellet. They're accurate and places they kill. There's so many different ones around. Choose what suits your rifle and stick with them!
@@arpc I think it due to us having so many choices ... we just want to be sure ... plus, it's fun!
Great video !!!!!
Thank you! Thanks for watching! 😁👍👍
Awesome video
Thank you very much James! I really appreciate the kind words! That was a hot day in the field!! 😂
Stay safe mate. 😷😁👍
Grwst video I'm fully subscribed I tryed these in my fx dreamline fac 22cal and they totally mushroom on the gell currently shooting them at 975fps which would normally be a bit fast but they group very well at this speed, I use them when hunting out to 50 yards, after that range I'm using the h&n 21g slugs which hit so hard, would like to see a sub 12ftlbs video on the h&n slugs 👍 thanks again for a great video
I agree what good is a pellet if you can't hit your quarry
Exactly. Accuracy is the best tool in ANY air rifle pest control work!
Thank you for watching! 👍😁
So the penetration on the wood with the hades at the beginning was a good thing but not so much for the heavy on the apple?🤷♂️ if it matters, I'd prefer a pellet of the same weight, shot at the same velocity to stop in the target as all of its energy as been transferred to the target.👍
Nice shot 👍👍👍
@33:10 showing gel, looks like the heavy thought it was doing laps in a pool. Went down and back, lol
I know! I've never seen that before. The clip just before me showing the the wound channels, I was trying to understand what happened.
I think the energy news dumped when it hit the board and caused it to rebound.
Thank you for watching! I appreciate your support!! 👍 Stay safe! 👍😷
Try Hades v h and n barracuda extreme.
I also made the same gell, at 975fps the hades literally stop at about 8 inches into the gell as they open up so fast, you are getting alot more penetration than me but this is probably due to the calibres and slower muzzle speed, wounder if they do the same in 177 if the fps was up around 950 to 1000fps
I think you're right. The higher the muzzle energy and the bigger the caliber, the quicker they expand and dump the energy.
Interesting to hear your findings! 👍😁
Jsb hades vs crossman piranha would really be a great test?!
great vid pal...in my hw110 .177 the hades chronod at 711fps which is 10fps faster that the jsb heavies, then i shot into some modelling clay at 15yds and believe me they opened out, not sure i can get a picture up on here to show..then at 20yds I shot at a spinner and the hades seem to hit a lot harder than the heavies.. then at 30-40yds at my perm there was no difference in accuracy but past 40yds the heavies were a little bit tighter grouped but still very close, I've gone over to the hades from the heavies, only difference I could see in accuracy was the hades went slightly right of poa at 30-40yds plus, so a quick zero alteration on the 4k pro and bob on now...
Cheers mate! This sounds familiar. I'm getting slightly better velocities with t huh Hades too. I wonder if the head shame has a moment effect and accelerates the spin from the rifling.
I'm out on the squirrels tomorrow and I'll see what they're like. I've got good groupings and confident they'll perform tomorrow on live quarry. Looking forward to it.
Thanks for this! I really appreciate your thoughts!! 👍👍
@@arpc , I've been out once with the .177 hades and managed 1 rabbit at 25yds, and it didnt half pack a punch.
Not saying you’re wrong for your test. I’m a wondering in your country is the maximum FPS allowed 500?
The maximum FPS on my gun is 1100 so if you’re shooting the JSB Hades at 500 FPS what happens when you’re shooting the same pellets at say 950 FPS?
You may get the complete opposite results don’t you agree?
Great review i might look into trying the Hades myself👍
Special request please..Apologies if you have already done a video i`m still catching up but would you consider a ballistic/Damage test with Bisley Pest control and Bisley magnum ?. Although with the magnums, my HW100 would chrono at 12.2 ft lb on a few shots and with the hades and magnums being 10.6 grain maybe i should leave them well alone! 🙄
On the Hades lemonade lengthways shot, i think the can moved with the pellet travel to the pallett and hampered its exit, hence it being stuck in the can😉ATB, Take Care 👍
Thanks for the in comment. You may be right. The can moving may have caused a slow down.
I'll have a look at the video. I can't promise anything as I only tested these because I was testing these for my use.
The Hades are good pellets but I always end up back at standard Diabolo domes. 👍
Good informative video i have been using the hades since release .22 fantastic pellet, results have been devastating on vermin Will you be doing a video using the hades on one of your shoots let us see the results and what you think keep up the good work.Brian
Hi Brian! Thank you!
Yes. When I'm switch to these, I'll get as much footage as I can. How do you find these in .22?
Hello The .22 are pretty destructive as you can imagine as you mentioned in your testing you have to be aware as the pellets quite easily pass through your intended quarry,and i also agree about effects from wind, must be the dynamics other than that pretty accurate.
I'm in looking forward to doing more accuracy testing in the coming days mate. I hope they don't disappoint! 👍👍
The hades get even better as the velocity increases. I shoot them at around 20 FPE.
Even from a .22 to a .177 sub 12 the greater velocity balances them out I think.
the heavy hit the wood at least 5 times on exactly the same palce and still not pass through ? and the hades does it with a singel shot????
I was very impressed with them in .177. Not so much in .22 however.
Good informative video Jonny 👍I think if you go out on a breezy night you will struggle a bit. I'm assuming with the cross on the pellet it don't cut through the wind as good. Did you try them any further than 14 yards
Cheers Garry! I didn't go beyond 14 yards because the wind was being a real pain. I wanted to test/review the impact of the pellet and so I got closer for (a) reduce wind distortion and (b) it meant I could get a sharper image on the scope with being closer.
I'm going to test these more in the coming days for accuracy. 👍👍
@@arpc I hope they perform well in your rifle. I've not seen anyone shoot a tight group with them yet. Fingers crossed 😁👍
Fingers crossed. I want a tight group so I have confidence that the pellet will go where I expect and not risk damaging anything other than the intended target. 👍
GOOD VID..would have been great if the sound was better. Too much wind noise
I've bought a new mic! It was a very windy day. My apologies... thanks for watching! 👍
another good video once again i was planning on doing a video test jsb 8,44 jsb 10.34 then the hades looks like you beat me to it lol keep up the good work all the best P.P.P.C
Cheers mate!! Still do the video, if you were going to do it from a greater distance, I'm definitely interested in seeing that!
Thanks for watching mate. I appreciate it!! In looking forward to your next video! 👍👍
@@arpc thank you very much i will do a test at 45 yards using all pellets showing group sizes and what us as shooters get for the money and if it really is what it says on the tin lol
Does anybody think that the accuracy at longer ranges is due to the head size as Jsb heavies that everybody loves is in 4.52 but but they decided to make these in 4.50 so if the heavies grouping tighter at longer ranges might mean your gun prefers 4.52 head size..?
I think so, it's a tighter fit in the barrel so it's likely using the air more efficiently and creating a more stable flight from the off.
👋🏾 good video 👍🏾 at what speeds are the pellets traveling? What was the distance to the target. 12ft # gun right? I’m doing a similar test on my channel. I’m thinking the 22 for pesting inside the barn for the energy at say 750 FPS. I haven’t tried it yet but looking at your test confirms a pass thru in 177 which is not good brotha👊🏾😎
I was 14 yards from the target, shooting at 710 fps, which comes in at 11.51 fpe. A little too close to 12 for my liking but they're doing to business!
My subscription was gone! This happened to RussDouglass222's channel too. I'll sub'd again my friend. With all alerts. 👍👍
Nice review been using hades for a while now not necessarily because there designed for hunting they seem to work better and produce better groups they do drop quite considerably at distance but that's to be expected with the design I suppose what makes a good hunting pellet is down to hitting the mark.... Nice informative video and thanks for sharing nice one mate
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Thanks Phil! And thanks for your view! I hope they're as good as I think they'll be. Or want them to bee.
I'd have been on the range over and over by now but this virus still has everything closed in reality.
Do you do find they're leaving more damage in the quarry? More blood... bigger entry... because they seemed to be doing that in the gel.
Air Rifle Pest Control like yourself I've not had the chance to test on anything bigger than rats at distances up to 20 yrds they certainly make a mess of them lol...
Just to let ya know I got my chance to use a hades on a squirrel tonight I can tell you there absolutely devastating and very graphic😀😀😀
Yeah, but you said they weren't as good in the wind. That's pretty much why I shoot heavy. It's good having these comparisons, but let's be real. The rat shooters are on top of the quarry. Rabbit shooters are mostly under 50 yards then the squirrel and pigeon, shooters maybe 40 yards. So why do you need so much destruction. Dead is dead, and if your shot placement is hot, what does it matter. Good vid though.
I'm not seeing much expansion like all the "pros" promoting these show in their videos. Chrono numbers would have been helpful but very good comparison on multiple type targets. I have some .25's being delivered that will likely be shooting around 900 fps, should be interesting. Expansion usually depends on velocity and below a certain threshold will not expand. Great video, Thanks!
Thank you! I'd like to know what you think did you don't mind. I know the expansion is better at higher power/velocity but what I've found is these - despite not expanding much - are certainly hitting harder than the Diabolos I've been using. This is what I like at the shorter ranges I'm shooting at.
I Chrono'd at average 715ft/s. These was bringing the fpe in at average 11.89.
Thanks for watching! Stay safe! 👍👍
@@arpc I understand you may be limited on power. I'm in the US, if I remember I'll post what they do in .25 at 900fps, around 40fpe. I bet they will expand, lol.
I like what you have done but when shooting the gel you say the Hades have turned or tumbled to make the wound channel larger, if that was the case how were the pellets in the wood head first, also when you shot the gel long ways the pellets didn't tumble? That said everyone I know that has used Hades say the same things, great accuracy and stopping power
Yeah, I noticed that and only after looking at it, I think the bigger wound channels are created from the shock wave from it dropping more of its energy at the entry site.
Well pointed out mate. I can't wait to get these out on live quarry. Thanks for watching and for your interesting views there. 👍
Stay safe mate! 😷😁👍
I use JSB but as soon as I have used them up now Hades are available in 177 you know what I will be buying, look forward to watching more of your videos soon pal, take care and stay safe👍
I shoot JSB Heavies through my AA Ultimate Sporter so i’ll give these a try. I see they’re a 4.50 head size and mine loves the 4.52s so not sure how they’ll group🤔🏴
You know something John, mine was exactly the same. Loves the 4.52 over the 4.50 but the 4.50 Hades were brilliant.
Try them, if they're crap, switch. It's worth a try mate. 👍👍
I`ve ordered a 50 test pack so we`ll see. I shoot the .22 Hades through my S510 FAC at 33 ftlb and they`re accurate and hard hitting, but I suppose at that power everything is hard hitting !!
True! 😂 Accuracy is the most important however. If they're accurate (and hard hitting, win!).
Let me know how you get on! 👍👍
Air Rifle Pest Control. I got the 50 test pellets in and over all they shot great, I got single hole groups at 25 and 35 meters, although i did get 5 clear fliers which were 5-6 mm outside of my groups. This may have been damaged pellets as i didn’t take time to sort them. I’ve ordered a 500 tin so the testing goes on, i’ll push them to 40m & 50m next time.👍🏼🏴
I suspect the difference between 4.52 and 4.50 is probably sufficient to randomly upset the alignment of the pellet in the rifle bore, which would explain the occasional flyer and a slightly less tight grouping than pellets with closer-fitting heads such as 4.52 mm. This variation will show up more at greater ranges which probably accounts for users’s reported experiences.
Je parle pas anglais quel distance ta fait les testes ? Quel puissance en joules ta catabine ? 👍
Did you say the Hades were punching clear through the wood backstop while the JSB domed pellets did not and they are the same weight? You would expect the Hades to open up and have less penetration through the wood and the domes stay intact allowing more penetration. Perhaps the Hades fit the barrel better and obtaining a higher velocity ??
The velocity was very close to standard dome Diabolo's - I was wondering if the head design gave them an advantage. It wasn't what I was expecting. Either that, or they were flattening quicker and creating more shock as a result on impact.
hi , i do a lot of hunting but in .22 cal,i have tried the hades at the same weight as the standard jsb 15.89 and there is a slight bit of difference on impact but not much,i do find they are not quite so accurate as the standard diabolo from 30 to 40yards which i shoot most of my quarry,saying that close up work on rats are a bit more devastating,i know you are testing the .177 version but thought i would give you an idea of performance in the .22 cal,cheers,,stay safe,👍
Thanks Kim This is exactly what I'm looking for - other peoples thoughts and views on these pellets. Regardless of caliber. I think they'll perform roughly the same (in scale) between calibers. Nearly all my shooting is ratting but I also go after feral pigeons and squirrels. I imagine these will be pretty devastating on these. I'll not go for rabbits with these until I've proven them at longer distances as I have with the Heavies.
I head shot a rat at 45 yards and the Heavy flew straight and smashed it's target. They're awesome pellets.
Thanks very much for this. I appreciate it. Stay safe!! :)
Great video, did you make your own gel?
Yer.. We're do u start with testing pellets. 2 months on and am still doing my trails..... Found out even cheap pellets eh bsa.. Gamo.. Aalk seem to group good in all my rilfes.... As regards to hades.. I. 22.177..25....alk expect my mk3 daystate they start to spread out over 40 yards.... As for thumbing hard.. 25 sub tfp.. They like a punch drunk heavyweight. When they hit. Wow.... But that's no more then 25 yards... Enjoyed your vid
I totally agree. It's a minefield. I tried to keep a narrow scope. This was more about deciding if the Hades were a suitable replacement for the Heavy's for what I use them for and to share my findings too.
Thanks for watching and for your information. It is crazy the amount of pellets and theories available.
So, are the squirrels wearing metal armour now?? ;D
Plan for the worst... hope for the best! 😁👍
One type of pellet might be better than the other but I'm sure the rats won't be able to tell the difference.
Very true! Whatever pellet I use, the rats aren't going to like them. 😂👍
Thanks for watching! 👍👍
@@arpc You're welcome.
Hi buddy, I'm going to be trying these out of the fac rapid in the next few days,see how they perform out to about 70 yards, but they do look a great ratting pellet.
Awesome - can I be cheeky and ask if you'd post back and let me know how they perform and what you think?
I am (for now anyway) sub-12 man but I am interested in knowing what you think!! :)
@@arpc I will put it up on Instagram mate under same name ok.
The Hades takes to again.
They were pretty in impressive. Even at the smaller calibre. Let's see what they do on the rats! 😁👍.
Thanks for watching! 👍👍
Hi Thanks for showing your results can you say where you got the 177 please.
Hi Ted! Thanks for watching. I got some from JS Ramsbottom in the UK. They're shipping daily and have them in .22 and in .177.
Looks like the hades is dumping more energy on impact than the Diablo
I'm convinced they are. Absolutely!
Thank you for watching! 👍👍
What range was you shooting at ? Also is your gun sub 12 or higher power for these pellets?
I would like to see hades vs crosman piranha.
They are both shit at expansion!
gOD VIDEO.
Good video if you turn off sound
I’m going to sum this up for you. I can categorically tell you that it is a waste of time using any specialist hunting pellets in a sub 12 air gun. The guns simply don’t have the power to make the pellets deform properly on impact.
All your doing is sacrificing accuracy. A normal Diablo will always be the best and most accurate choice.
However when you start using expanding pellets in fac rated Airguns they come into their own. At 30-40 foot pounds. All the hollow point pellets completely deform and cause major added damage and shock upon impact.
I take it you didnt watch the vid all the way through or didnt understand it...
I found different. I also found these pellets hit harder.
Here's another video with some extensive testing: ruclips.net/video/oZuKyHTBaPM/видео.html
Thanks for watching. 👍
I dont like to diss peoples videos and you have clearly gone to some effort .
But .shooting into tin cans .
And pellet tins is totally pointless it tells you nothing .the apple test was about the most informative .
The hades showed virtually no deformation even at the short ranges you used into gell .
They penetrated far too much for an expanding pellet .i dont know how you got the the conclusion that the hades hit with more energy .?
Please try again .using substrates that represent flesh at further hunting ranges. Cheers
Heathy Copie the point of these pellets is deformation on impact. Creating great shock and a large wound channel. They don’t do this in sub 12 guns. If you use one of these hades pellets in a 25-30 ftpd gun it completely flattens upon impacting something, and therefore creates the deformation they are designed for.
If you want to watch a proper and far more scientific review, watch AAR on air, he tests all the major hunting pellets. In both .177 and .22 and in both sub 12 and Fac guns.
In every single case the pellets did not deform or outperform a normal Diablo in sub 12.
And let’s face it, sub 12 guns have more than enough power to pass through a suitable quarries head at the appropriate ranges, with normal pellets. How much more damage do you want.
@@rufusduck71 eh? did you watch the same video? this was about the impact and the energy dump so that is exactly what the video showed. The fact the wood was smashed, the apple shocked, the gel wound channels were wider... it is all about the energy dump. Try watching it again maybe instead of dissing hard work and a good video that was showing something you misunderstood was the point of the video.
Luv the videos luv the pellets but I can never ever find any here in my city in Canada, especially enough to take to work with me..I'm wildlife control by trade.. thanks for the video.
Hi Trevor. These pellets are pretty impressive! I'm also getting some JSB Ultra Shocks to try too. They look like they'll cause a real headache for rats! 👍 Thank you for watching and commenting. I appreciate it. 👍👍
@@arpc I will definitely be waiting for more vids and sharing all I can. Take care and keep em coming
Would be good to do it with a .22 :-)
Hopefully this summer! 👍
I know this is an old video but i would of liked to know if your gun was fac or sub 12ft/lbs
Sub 12. Standard for UK
any thoughts on why the hades went straight through the pallet wheras the same weight heavies didnt ??
I think (I'm no expert!) the head when it's spinning it splintering the wood - I think nuts acting with a "drilling" effect and going deeper whereas the smooth dome design isn't. I know it's lead and soft but when spinning and travelling with extremely high speed maybe it's density is helping??
Just my thoughts. I'm open to suggestions and theories however! 👍
@@arpc was kinda my thoughts chap , great vids btw
@@luckyal3963 Thanks my friend. I really appreciate the kind feedback! 👍👍
Try Canon Hercules pellet..
Thanks for this. I'll take a look! 👍
is this 12ft/lb?
Yes. Sub 12, 0.177, topping at 715 fps at under 11.7fpe.
@@arpc vastly superior to A co2 blowback pistol, intresting to see. you're dealing with A lot of wind there too. Was in mind to get A rifle for Target shooting but seems A little over the top after seeing this.. think i'll stick to my 10m plinking! xD
Wonder if you can tell us what the ballistic coefficient of the two pellets are, cheers Carl 👍
I've got them as 0.01. The Hades is going to be slightly worse than the Heavy I think but I can't seem to find that ANYWHERE.
I need another Chrono and maybe I can work it out.
Air Rifle Pest Control thanks for the info 👌
Brill video mate, one thing that puzzled me, the hades went straight through the back stop of the pallet, but not through the gel when you shot length ways ??, watch it all the way through well done on a time consuming video, much appreciated 👍🍮🍎🌈stay safe.
The gel is quite dense and it flexes easily. The backstop board is rigid and all that energy is smashing into a 4.5mm circle.
I imagine that spinning pellets energy is breaking the brittle wood whereas the gel is hugging, flexing and creating more resistance over a greater distance, slowing the pellet down.
Ballistic Gels used to view bullets work in the same way. A bullet will pass through steel but will be grabbed by the Ballistic Gel.
Thank you for watching it through and for your thoughts. I really appreciate it!
Stay safe my friend! 👍😁😷
Air Rifle Pest Control Thanks for that, I see what you mean now, I have not shot a air rifle for about 40 odd years now, so the last rifle I had was a springer, webbly Osprey, so I can't wait to get my hands on a Pcp rifle,
I have seen a daystate huntsman regal with sights for £1000, Do you think that would be a good buy ??.
I'm not to up on Daystate but from what I've heard, they're good rifles. They invest in electronics for their rifles. I know Mat Manning from The Airgun Show shoots Daystates. He gets in very well with them.
If you're going from a 40 year old Springer, to a modern PCP you'll be amazed at the quality of modern rifles and their capabilities.
They're awesome!! 👍👍
Air Rifle Pest Control thanks for that, I will check mat out , I will say good night for now, 👍👍👍👍.
Predator polymag vs hyn
I loved the Polymags!! The only reason I switch was because I needs a heavier calibre for the ballistic calculator to work on my scope.
Are they your preferred pellet? 👍
Would you use Hades at 50 yards,
Personally, not in a sub-12. I think they need the extra punch to keep the pellet on path because the head design creates instability at longer ranges without the power behind them.
I had issues with them spinning left in a sub-12 .22 and switched back to the RS Exact Diablo.
@@arpc thanks for your input,
I was using hunter extreme in .177 as they were more accurate than the hades, but the Hades proved better in .22,
But I won't shoot ant anything past 30 yards as they fly slower.
Hades in .177 were better for me than in .22.
Do you think its more a gun thing or a pellet thing?
Obviously i know the pellets will behave differently. Just on about the gun preferring the hades abd helping it perfom better?
What's the scope you used friend :)
I'm using the ATN X-SIGHT 4K Pro, 3-14 with the ABL Rangefinder.
@@arpc Thanx I'll look it up great video by the way ..I also bought the hades .177 for the impact damage it creates, but not sure of the accuracy over long ranges. I have a 23 meter long garden to practice but until I can get to a range I'm limited :)
They are awesome at closer ranges but you can't beat a standard diabolo pellets for longer ranges, both target and pests.
I hope you can get the the range again soon. Until then, you've given a decent length garden there! 👍