Understand Joints & How To Handle 80/20 Rails - Fusion 360 Tutorial -
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
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Speaking the truth here but I learn more for you and this channel then I do from anything Autodesk has published online and I only do video tutorials. Thanks so much for sharing all your knowledge.
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching! I am happy that you find this stuff useful!!
Best,
Lars
The tip at 28:13 changed my life entirely! Thank you so much Lars and the one who informed Lars!
Thanks Lars. I'm a long time Inventor and Solidworks user where I frequently use planes to mate components. I've recently started using 360 and I was completely stumped as to how to assemble in that same way. Now I know. 👍
Thank you so much, I’m new to fusion 360 and I’m having a blast. Great videos.
The use of joint origins was very helpful, as was holding control to select a face when picking snaps.
This was an amazing video and taught me some things that I never knew. This was a massive help for my 8020 designs. Also, I liked the "off the cuff" format. Actually showed some "mistakes" that can happen to all of us, and then you showed the fix. Well done, and please keep making videos =)
Wow, great video. Thanks for putting in all your time.
Great Video!!! Watched it a few 100 times now. It's really helpful when learning Fusion 360 to build a 3D Printer using 2020 Extrusions.
I have been pondering how to make a useful library of these shapes. You solved it for me. Great livestream!!
That is awesome to hear Michael Dodson .Thank you for watching the videos
Hi Lars, just th right video at the right time...
I got all I need, to get my sketch done
Thanks
Hilsen
Thanks, I love this stuff Lars keep up the good work you are freaking Yoda with fusion 360!
That move tool trick! click the axis -> click the target point! I was looking for that functionality so much
Oh and all the rest, just wonderful
Brillant Lars . Thanks again that was very useful . As usual lars keep up the good work.
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Great tutorial. That's what I'm searching for a long time. Thanks a lot. Greetings from good old Germany ;-)
That is awesome to hear Olaf Sell .Thank you for watching the videos
Th is the best video on the subject of rails. Thank you so much.
Thank you lars for the video
Thank you very much for your videos. This is exactly what i was locking for. You are helping me a lot learning and understanding fusion 360.
Big Thank you and Thumbs up!
That is awesome to hear freeman1337 .Thank you for watching the videos
Amazing!! Thang you so much.
80/20 is a adult Erector Set to me. This was a good video.
Lars,
Greetings from Marquette MI. I really appreciate all the efforts and joyful way you share knowledge. With out your sharing I would have given up on using 3d modeling. I started on a drafting board, and then used 2d Auto Cad for years and used paper tapes to run CNC equipment, edited dxf and g-code by hand.. Adjusting to the new method of sketching was quite a learning process. So many useful tips and tricks.
Thanks again. Perhaps I'll be able to join in a live stream in the near future, until then I watch the recordings.
Best Joe
That is awesome to hear Joe Boyle .Thank you for watching the videos!!
Just last week I was designing parts to fix to exactly this sort of extrusion & really struggling with joining to the edges and centre of these rails. Was excited to see this tutorial. The joint origins were exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much indeed
That is awesome to hear pghampton .Thank you for watching the videos
Thanks Lars, always learning something new!
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for this tutorial! You just saved me hours of struggle
Wow. Joint origins. Using Libraries and creating your own masters. That is so useful. Thanks Lars
You are so very welcome. Thank you for watching
This is amazing, thank you!
Your joint tutorials are always smoking, Lars. Thanks.
That is awesome to hear evil-doer .Thank you for watching the videos
Thank you so much ! It helped me a lot to design my new carriage for my 3D printer Anet AM8 BLV mod 😁👍🏻
Thanks. I had to pause and re-watch but i got it, thanks! Aluminium extrusion is cool. ty again.
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Thanks Lars fantastic stream. This lead me to complete my parametric laser cut box design so I can modify the parameters and generate a tool path with minimal effort.
That is awesome to hear Paul Meyer .Thank you for watching the videos
Amazing video man thanks
Just wanted to say thanks Lars for everything you learned me
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Thank you kind sir. This content is much appreciated.
Thank you for watching!
Epically helpful video! Really, this was gold...
Thank you Kostas Froudarakis
So, we use 8020 to make frames for belt conveyors and associated inspection equipment. A fair amount of precision is required for the inspection sensors about the conveyor, but we also need adjustability, too. SO, 8020 is the go-to solution.
Thank you very much for this lesson!
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Excellent! Thanks.
Great intro to Joints and Libraries, thanks.
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Thanks Lars! good demonstration !
Thank you Sami Seghir
Many thanks Lars.
This is very helpful! thank you!
Glad to hear. Thank you for watching
thank you Lars
fantastic video - thank you!
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Lars,
Great video I wish I had seen this before attempting my first 8020 rail model - joint origins are going to be a big help. Would like to see you follow this one up with a short one on doing the TSlot Nuts and Bolts with the corner brace or brackets if you get the chance - basically a complete assembly of a frame or portion thereof.
Thanks for these - have really helped me get a handle on Fusion 360.
Hi Donald Henson Thank you for watching!
Yes, I think I need to do one with some different components inserted. Thank you
Hi Lars, great live streams always something new to learn, this makes them interesting and useful and your training style is easy to follow(etc...etc) making them probably the best source of Fusion techniques out there! In the 80/20 session I learnt how to use joint origins and will definitely be adding this to my current master 80/20 profile file.
On the latest 80/20 stream (I use 80/20 a lot) I take a slightly different approach. Although McMaster has some 80/20 profiles they are very limited and therefore I opted to download the 80/20 Solidworks library directly from 80/20.net to my hard drive as this contains all profiles and accessories and the Solidworks files upload perfectly into Fusion. I then upload the profiles and accessories I want to Fusion cloud and open each profile and project a ‘profile sketch’ of the part profile and delete the ‘body’ leaving just the profile sketch. I group all the profile sketches under a single file called 80/20 profiles and when needed upload this single file into my current design, select the profile sketch(s) that I need and extrude to length, etc. I find that this method not only gives me more flexibility than your method but as time goes on my 80/20 ‘library’ gets more extensive. I name each component/sketch with the 80/20 nomenclature so that I can create BOMs, etc.
Hi Raymond Simmons Thank you for watching! And for a great comment!
thanks for you time. was very useful for me
That is awesome to hear Americo Rosales .Thank you for watching the videos
OMG... I can't believe I just modelled the 80/20 rails on my 3d printer and they're sitting, right there, in the McMaster catalog!
GREAT VIDEO !!! I was about to start modeling modifications to a DIY 3d printer. thanks!!
That is awesome to hear Robert Fidler .Thank you for watching the videos
amazing Lars!! thank you. I do windows and doors, more complicate assembly with different extrusion, do you have another video to explain more like assemble extrusion with punch cutout?
Thanks Lars! That is going to be very useful. :-)
Thank you Ron Floyd
Designing a 4545 Giant Cube muli-extruder 3d Printer. Wish I had seen this a while back, would have saved me some wasted effort. Thanks for the great tutorial.
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching! AND sorry I did not create this video a while back :-)
Who do I love, thanks Lars
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Hi Lars,
MANY THANKS FOR THE VIDEO. I am working on a project that uses a custom extrusion similar to the 80/20 extrusions. I sketched the profile and then used the push pull to extrude various lengths that are used in the particular design I am working on. I saved each of the individual lengths in my library so I could insert them into my design as needed. The JOINT ORIGIN TOOL is what I have been looking for to get all the various components to join together as a accurate assembly "dimension wise". I am going to go back to the individual library files and add the JOINT ORIGINS and then see if I can put the assembly together as nice as you did in this video. I also do some machining on the individual parts i.e. holes and slots. Some of the components will be bolted together and others welded then powder coated.
My goal is to make a complete assembly utilizing the different length custom extrusions. Then I would like to make a nice drawing and dimension it, show different views, sections etc.
You provide and excellent service for AutoDesk. I watch all of your videos.
John
That is awesome to hear John's Marine Solutions .Thank you for watching the videos
Now I get it. Finally.
Lars, I really enjoy your videos and I learn a lot from you. I have one complaint or suggestion though. I can't see where your mouse is when you're moving quickly and selecting things. If it were a different color (like red) and bright that would help me tremendously. Thank you so much for what you do. Sincerely, Mike.
thank you Lars!!!
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Thanks
Oh boy, that's useful!
That is awesome to hear Miguel Santos .Thank you for watching the videos
SIM racing rig, built up from 8020 profiles including manufacturing motion simulation.
Great tutorial
Thank you jjsjeffjjsjeff
Son muy buenos los productos
I just found this video. Great stuff. How do you add the fasteners…nuts and bolts.
Decoding the terminology:
These are 'Profiles' not rails. The term comes from the extrusion process which starts with a profile.
"80/20" is the brand name of the company that pioneered these concepts and developed many of the accessories.
These are the Erector Set of framing and machine building. From benches, to automation, CNC machines, tables, carts, etc.
Aluminium profile extrusions date back to the early 1900s and considering that 80/20 was only founded in 1989, to use the term 'Pioneered' is a bit of a stretch.
@@semperidem2577 I do not claim that 80/20 invented the process of aluminum extrusions - only that they pioneered the modern day application we enjoy today with standardized and geometrically compatible designs along with a myriad of accessories to tie them all together.
Great video Buddy! I know we would all like to see how you would assemble a t- slot linear rail like makerslide? Four v wheels a carriage plate and 20mm x 40mm makerslide extrusion? Now that would be cool?
Hi Werner Berry Thank you for watching!
Alright, looks like we are going to have to add another to the list :-)
Library for these items will get you a head start. Go to openbuilds and search for 3d library.
Love these videos, thanks so much! How do you cut the extrusion at an angle, but still extrude normally along the natural extrusion path? I'm needing angles at both ends, so I can't just extrude from the other side.
Hi Jason Rahm Thank you for watching!
You might be looking for something like this?????
ruclips.net/video/34ZeXHxYS28/видео.html
Hope this is useful
Best,
Lars
Does this approach allow for parametric design? Wouldn't it be better to use a profile rather than a body?
Golden nuggets in the vid!
BUT
How can you create a parametric structure to drive the lengths ie cube as skeleton? eg if you have a frame skeleton, bit like inventor, and you want to joint each end of an extrusion length...how is that done? ie Then change a parameter of the skeleton length and all the changes are driven by the interactive sizing of the skeleton?
Hi, is there a way to hide all origin joints in an assembly when you have imported the rails out of your library where those origin joints were preconfigured? If your building something a bit more complex the origin joints are just all over the assembly and you cant really see what you´re doing and can easily get confused.
Thanks very much for this one Lars. These aluminium extrusions are VERY commonly used for building printers at home. Getting joints to work on them and 'joining' parts to them has been a pain for me for a long time.
You are so very welcome :-) Thank you for watching!
Could you please make a tutorial how to cover rails by sheet meetal, the most difficult for me is to align rounded edge.
Your videos 151 and 152 are helping out, but I'm running into an issue with attachment points. Connecting two 48 inch/121cm 20 series extruder rails together at 90 is no problem. How do you connect a 28 in/71cm rail across at 45 degrees? You have a place to select as the first point for "Joint construction", but there's no place to select for the second point.
Wish I could send a pic, but basically when the three pieces are put together it kind of forms an "A"
Hey Lars,
How come McMaster and this video is T-slot. Dont we want V-slot for 3d printerers?
Great Video, Lars, thanks!
But a question: How would you set up a joint/coin that is halfway along the length of the extrusion? Say, in your first example construction, the box one, you wanted to add another section between the two side ones that was always tied to the centre of the length between them, even if parametrically modified? Hope that makes sense!
Thanks
Hi Pinkmouse Thank you for watching! You will see that the joint coins will also show up in the middle of the part. And, of course, you can always insert your own. I think that I am going to do one more 80/20 video where we insert some more complex parts :-)
Hope you have an awesome day!
Love it, and 8020 lol
Thanks once again. Learning a lot from you. Just wondering how you do your free view..i see sometime the mouse cursor dont move but the model is moved arround. I just like your way it moves soo much smoother than what I do. I always struggle with free orbit view
I believe he uses a SpaceMouse. I think he showed the SpaceMouse Enterprise on one of his videos.
@@EricCline71 wow thanks for the quick reply. I checked on this and it really is awesome.. Ill consider it
WOW .. Much better Lars.. Not as bright in the back.. Skin tone is awesome.. Picture Perfect..
Sound is still a bit echoy. I think thats the distance between you and the mic.. I think you should invest invest in some acoustic foam and stick it around off camera. After all we hear you way more than we see you. Its not a real problem just if you wanted to make it perfect. Again awesome tutorial.
Can you do a tutorial on the PEOPLE tab of Fusion (found out you cant add an email with a CAPITAL in the name).
I am doing a group project (Designing an virtual 3D printer to make mods easier) and I want to make sure I am doing it right.
Hi Sean O'Brien Thank you for watching!
Thank you for the feedback! slowly dialing it in. You are totally right about the echo of the room. Don't help I have metal ceiling :-). I should do a livestream on in-depth on collaboration. I'll put it on the list. Thank you!
This was great, but in the 2022 version of F360 Libraries is Not really libraries. However, i can't find what you're supposed to do to setup a clean project like this. Does anyone know of a tutorial that goes into saving a component (like 80/20 rail with joint origins) as a "library" in the new "Data panel" (fairly new to F360 - using paid version for about 1yr as a hobby for 3D printing). Thanks!
Thorough video and explanations, T Y. Curious why no one ever seems to opt of mitered joints (“picture frame”) ? Yes, a light filing for safe edge, but it seems like aesthetically, it would be so much Nicer. Thoughts ?
Are you talking about with the t-slots frames (8020)? if so, the fasteners on the end would obstruct the t-slots, getting the way sliding in t-nuts or other fasteners. Yes, it would look better aesthetically, but when you are using t-slot frames, you are going to for utility and ease of alteration. Not looks.
what are you using to move the Orbit?
Hi Lars, Can you cover best practices for adjusting the length of the rails in today's part 2? I like your concept of a library and I would love to see something like Parameters for adjusting length.
Thanks!
Hi Greg Wright Thank you for watching!
Sorry I did not see this until now. You could use parameters with the "Offset Face" command you get with the standard "Q" Press/Pull
Duh! For some reason I was thinking of Parameters as only applicable to sketches. Thank you!
The press pull offset in parameters should work great, but how could I put in the end to end dimension of the rail?
Hi ! thank you for sharing , this is so helpful for me
by the way, i notice you are rotating while zooming into the component, the animation was so smooth, are you just simply holding shift and middle mouse button? may you share how you do it ?
Lars uses a Space Mouse for controlling Fusion360: ruclips.net/video/LMYEnmEdptc/видео.html Pricey, but very cool!
He's probably using a 3D mouse, also called a space mouse I think
I have to say thanks for all this wonderful videos you make! This one was exactly what I was looking for. You do the best Fusion360 Videos. :) But i have one question. Is there a way to make the Master editable in length? So that i have one master 80/20 with Joint Origins and then can insert it in my actual assembly and type in a length for this part? Or do i have to create a master for every length? Best regards, Jan
Hi Jan Reuleke Thank you for watching!
I would insert my master, and then break the link if I need to change the length in my new assembly. It is almost like in the real world then. You take the original bought length from the shelf and then as soon as you cut it, well that is breaking the link.
Hope this is helpful
Lars Christensen Thanks for the answer. :) I heard about “User Parameter” yesterday and think this can be what i am searching for. So i can define a User Parameter “Lenght” in the Master for the Extrusion, then insert the Master in my actual Project, break the Link and edit the User Parameter to fit my actually needed lenght.
Hi Lars,
I am not sure, but we call it 20x20 rail because of the 20mm by 20mm dimension.
But anyways, nice to see, so I can design my 3D printer with your hints...
That is awesome to hear Frank von Thienen .Thank you for watching the videos
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Super Newbie here. So I dont have to drill and tap in Fusion 360 to get the parts to stay together? I just know that when I order the 80/20 for my build I have to either drill and tap or order a connector kit?
Not to have them stay together on the computer screen😊 but in the real world you might have to find some clue, duct tape of threading device
I get all my 20-20, 20-40 knock-off extruded rails from Shenzhen, China... though tariffs are going to make them much more expensive.
How you have open live stream in this video
Lars, when you made the angle bracket, the tab on the back had a two faces on the same plane. Is there a good way to join those two face together? Usually I select one and delete it. Usually that works, but is probably the wrong way to get the job done. I know that two faces on the same plane is not really an issue, but I like to have the cleanest model possible. Thanks.
Hi Jeffry Garew Thank you for watching!
I am not sure I understand what you mean about two faces on the same plane that could be joined. I might need more coffee....Best,
Lars
My fault for not describing it properly. Its when you have two faces that share a boarder. They are not the same plane and can be joined with other effect to the faces, other than the border between the two being removed, to make a single face.
Thanks, Lars. There is a problem with my fusion360 software. It gets frozen as soon as I press the save button in Mc-Master Carr. I tried it several times with several parts but the same issue is still there. Finally, I downloaded the part from Mc-Master Carr website and uploaded into fusion360. But now the second problem emerged. The bracket's width is 38mm which is wider than the 80/20 frame which is 25.4mm. I sent the Autodesk issue reports to them but no responses I have received yet. I appreciate if you help me.
Sorry for the trouble. I recommend you post here forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-support/bd-p/962
I know this video is rather old, and maybe there is a better way to ask this question, but could you explain how you can make these 8020 extrusions scale according to a parameter? Like, if I was trying to make a table with the 8020, but I want to be able to change the dimensions of the table without having to press/pull all the rails to the new dimensions.
As of my knowledge, there is no proper frame generator for fusion so far.
You could use sketches and sweep instead of just copying of components. Sketch projections works fine, but other constrains are often glitchy if you try to edit afterwards, especially in 3d.
I have a method for you:
1) In a new file, click *MODIFY* on the top Toolbar, then select *Change Parameters*
2) Click the " *+* " symbol next to User Parameters, and type the name for your new variable, and the value of the length you desire in the units you prefer
3) Follow the video's directions to import the aluminum extrusion from McMaster Carr as a STEP file
4) In the Browser, *activate the component* which you just created by importing the part
5) Create a *Sketch* on the Origin Plane which is parallel to the extrusion profile
5) *Project* the extrusion profile onto your sketch by pressing "P" and selecting the correct face, then *exit the Sketch*
6) In the browser, right click the body of the STEP file previously imported, and click *Remove*
7) In the Toolbar click *Extrude* and select the drawing you just created, then type the name of the variable you previously created as the length of the extrusion
This may seem like a lot, but it's very simple and saves a lot of time. Happy designing!
What software would you recommend to a novice who is just getting into design with 80/20 but doesn't have thousands of dollars to spend on professions CAD software?
You can use Autodesk's Fusion 360 as a maker for free. There is a "hobby license" for non-commercial use. A quick google search will aid you.
thank you, good tutorial for a Belgian man speak only french . traduction with youtube is top. I like America.
I'm trying to build a scene made up of these profile, I will be having over 25 different length, should I create separate components for each lengths? What's a 'good' way to go about this?
Many times the easiest way to handle it is like in real life. I would probably have 25 different components. If you start having to do this over and over, then it might begin to make sense to find modeling tricks
@@cadcamstuffThanks Lars, The thing is, during building I want to fiddle with the lengths, isn't it for example possible to have a dynamic component like this? Which I can easily change in height? As to play around.. Or build a sketch and have the profile run along the lines of that?
@@miguelstevens3042 Did you find a clean solution for this? In AutoCAD, we use dynamic blocks. In Solidworks, we use weldments. We're looking for a solution in Fusion now! We used to have a different variation for every length in Solidworks and it made modifying and BOM generation a nightmare. I imagine we'd have the same issue in Fusion using this method.
Dan any Solution yet? I wanted to do something similar with weldments. Im normaly working with a godlike CATIA license, but for private intrests i want to get in touch with the modern and nice fusion360. Catia will always stuck in the 90s, but in CAD functions it will always be god. And i work with it for 12 years every day. Building machines witch are made of 10000s of parts and large then some houses so i think i know a bit about cad😄 and i relaly like the concept of fusion.
Pero en qué país los fabrican
Try Misumi for these rails. better price, custom cut and all kinds of addons. oh and many other sizes.
Hi snap4ward Thank you for watching! And sharing the info!
Sure. I watch just about every day. You can add me to the list of people who switched from solidworks. Mostly because of this channel.
just used mine to build a 3D printer with a bed 300mmx300mm and z hight 300mm
Awesome project! would love to see some pictures :-) lars.christensen@autodesk.com
im working on a printer build which is what brings me here in the first place! this guy has all the answers
80/20 is the Brand, Extruded Aluminum is the Product( strut/rail). 😊
I love these videos, and I learn something significant from every one I watch. From a constructive criticism point-of-view: One point of frustration for me is that especially with your videos on joints, you have a tendency to go over all the steps on how to do it in other software. This is really confusing for those of us that are not coming from other software, and are just trying to understand it from the aspect of this software. I can't imagine it being helpful to previous users of the other software either, since they (a) already know it, or (b) are also trying to learn it with this software. It would be so much clearer if you didn't confuse us with teaching these extra non-relevant steps.
Cntr+V (pastes) is not working for me.
Ctrl+V or try to right-click and you should see the option to paste
How does he move the camera so seamlessly?
He cheats ruclips.net/video/LMYEnmEdptc/видео.html 👍😊
Racing simulator - cnc router- 3d printer- extremely expensive work bench