This is nice but could you post the link to the original video? Might be enlightening to hear what he has to say. Also just to give credit where credit’s due
Looking at Shuai Jiao has been fascinating. It is more than just commonalities between martial arts - a ton of karate has surely been lifted straight from Chinese wrestling, and you are clearly shown the applications
A lot of traditional Chinese martial arts and Japanese martial arts are actually clinch fighting. Especially the three treasures Xingyiquan, Baguazhang, and Taijiquan.
@@Tempest2228 You could argue baguazhang and Taiji quan are straight up wrestling styles, just with weapons. Well the cheng style bagua and yang/Wu style Taiji definitely are.
@MMABreakdowns That's fair, but we can't forget about the tenderizering strikes within the grappling of chinese arts no different than aikijutsu, jujutsu, aikido, karate or sumo. Hell, even the Korean, Filipino or traditional Thai methods etc.
You have some very interesting concepts. I believe you should get in touch with Sam Kressin who has a Tang Soo Doo + Karate Backgrounds, Chris Hauter 4th degree BJJ Black Belt and Billy Robinson Catch Wrestling Prodigy just to name a few. As he is a Contrarian Grappler I believe the both of you will have so many great findings and discussions. Keep doing the great work.
thanks for the referrals! I'll check them out, definitely know Chris hauter and billy robinson, they were pioneers in america. I'll check out Sam, thanks!
I remember being told off for doing over the knee throws when I stared researching applications for the ITF Taekwondo katas (before I started Goju), so glad to see I'm not the only one (Especially when you see a zenkutsu dachi with a high reinforced block - it almost writes itself, but then I did used to watch a lot of kung Fu movies)
thanks! it's definitely a balance of creating longer vlogs, shorter videos with a checklist of content or even just RUclips shorts etc. Glad you like this type of format
The way i understood is that, All the supported blocks are body lock throws, head and arm throws or arm throws. With the deep stances combined, makes me more convinced.
Definitely, I often also compare them to old English chancery pugilism. They work well to trap your opponent into a position from which they cannot defend themselves while you strike them.
Excellent methodology and sharing hopes for using ZD for practical purposes. May be slight differentiation from Shiko Dachi or Sochin Dachi could follow next. Paul,69
Great video and awesome breakdown. I was literally thinking of the “sumo” front stance at the beginning of the video and then you went right into it. Also the views on karate and clinch fighting is great. I remember my old Sensei would “soften” me up with his legs/hips and I had no choice but to be off balance for the small moment before being taken down 👊🏼
thanks! glad you enjoyed it, honestly I had that sumo clip in my head for weeks before making this video lol it was too good of a reference to not include
@@KarateBreakdown absolutely, I greatly appreciate all of the deep breakdowns and sharing of ideas/concepts. Yes that sumo clip is too good, whenever they do that push drill it’s very evident that the “front stance” is what they use to take the impact and slide, it’s fascinating. Very cool to see it in action in other areas
Love your channel bro, i have 30 years in training martial arts and I really appreicate your take on the practical application. Not that i expect to win a book, great idea by the way but am curious. would you give a top 5 of your favorite books on the subject.
Very few people know that Chinese kung-fu is full of grappling techniques. The problem today is having people accept the fact that karate is just another style of kung-fu!.....
As a former practioner of aikido, we have to come to the realization that Aikido is a water down version of jujutsu. Designed mostly to develop spiritual awareness and not so much for the ancient combat approach. Sure aikido could work as a personal self-defense method by using the concept of avoidance, but to take it to the level of aggression it requires a deeper understanding. I suggest to a lot of aikidokas to explore chinese chin-na, it will help you tremendously in developing and understanding aikido.
I'm a karate white belt. Is kata worth it to practice? The traditional katas just make me confused and I don't know how I would use them in a self defense situation. What about the clinch fighting spar? The spars I do are something like competitive karate mixed with kyokushin
To answer your question yes. Your able to learn technique, breathing stability, learning to look before you move. Looking and paying attention relates to driving a car. Be safe and happy training.
Like the other comments say, yes kata is worth it but most dojos don't know how to apply it in a real situation. It's good you're asking the right questions as a white belt and there are tons of resources online to help you learn more about applying kata, good luck!
@@KarateBreakdown I'm happy to know people want to bring back the roots of karate and mix it with the knowledge we have nowadays. I'm excited as a white belt! Thank you
candidly, it's been a while since I read these, I feel like I'm a youtube sponge nowadays so I'd like to give these books away to those who still like the reading format
Sorry to barge in. I usually like to recommend Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming works on chin-na and Shuai Jiao, you immediately start to pick-up the similarities to kata movements.
good video but using sensei inoue yoshimi when you say "making it look pretty" is not a good example. in the video he speaks about the biomechanic weight transfer when moving forwards and backwards in zen kutsudachi
For one thing karate kata in their modern interpretation and understanding don't make sense. You could not apply any of the techniques as they are explained by most karate teachers today. If at all it is very hard to do so, and that goes against all logic. The other argument is that you could not fight in kata form, I just don't agree with that. If you take Nihon kobudo kata, like itsutsu-no-tachi from TSKSR for example, the whole sequence is designed to defeat the opponent in a few sequences or by finally setting him up into a position of defeat. That concept I took to karate to see how it could work. The problem was that modern interpretation of karate kata did not work. So I started looking around other martial arts, like Shuai Jiao and chin-na another method of grappling used in Chinese martial arts. After coming across Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming work of analysis of shaolin chin-na, it all made sense. I started seeing the same movements found in Pinan (Heian) kata and others. Recently Muay Thai clinching techniques also make a lot of sense. Similarly in old English chancery pugilism, you find very similar methods that are comparable to karate kata movements. It is by this triangulation study of different martial arts and understanding of human kinesiology and body mechanics, plus observations of human fighting that one can come to these conclusions. In the studies of human evolution and hoplology, human fighting evolved from two methods grappling and striking. These two were often combined for fighting in warfare, it was with the creation of sports contests that they were separated into two distinctive styles, and also their lethal applications reduced or totally removed. The ancient method of karate known as Tui-te, was not a civilian self-defense method, but an art designed for the battlefield i.e. it was designed to kill.
@@tatumergo3931 thanks man for explaining everything to me I just was a little skeptical that he was stretching in some of these videos but I'm glad to have read this comment and karate imo is the most interesting to learn about 💪👍
@@MasterChief1117-g8z . You are welcome. I must apologize for the long essay, it took me like three times to get it as concise as possible and at the same time convey all the information. For it is kind of hard when explaining all the intricacies involved, without omitting some of the important information. Let me just say that MMA is not a new thing or idea, it's quite the opposite an it has been around since the beginning of human civilization. Interesting to know that original martial arts were composed of techniques both for grappling and striking. Take for example the ancient Greek art of pankration, one of the oldest known martial arts in the world. It was composed of two schools of approach to combat, one that favor more grappling and the other one striking. It is attested to have been the creation of two mythical heroes, Theseus and Heracles one favoring more striking while the other grappling. Eventually these two schools created the sports of pale (wrestling) and pygmachia (boxing) with a possible third method pyx-lax (kickboxing).
I like to focus on the Principles of keeping flat heels, Throughout the push/pull form. Sticking to the ground *comfortably* instead of 🔥 unnecessary energy jumping on Toes. // isometric workouts are good for Stretching heels + calf on occasion. >> My Goto workout: >>Push against a wall/tree, Hands below shoulder's >> push from Hips>> Turns into Power from Planted Feet>> into Power punches and eventually DYNAMITE Punches from Hip, Brother!
This is nice but could you post the link to the original video? Might be enlightening to hear what he has to say. Also just to give credit where credit’s due
@@alexcheng1560 here ya go 👍 ruclips.net/video/g-D3icF3OhY/видео.htmlsi=5AZdI5LuW_E3xcA8
@@KarateBreakdownthanks for sharing the video 😊
Looking at Shuai Jiao has been fascinating. It is more than just commonalities between martial arts - a ton of karate has surely been lifted straight from Chinese wrestling, and you are clearly shown the applications
A lot of traditional Chinese martial arts and Japanese martial arts are actually clinch fighting. Especially the three treasures Xingyiquan, Baguazhang, and Taijiquan.
@@Tempest2228
You could argue baguazhang and Taiji quan are straight up wrestling styles, just with weapons.
Well the cheng style bagua and yang/Wu style Taiji definitely are.
@MMABreakdowns That's fair, but we can't forget about the tenderizering strikes within the grappling of chinese arts no different than aikijutsu, jujutsu, aikido, karate or sumo. Hell, even the Korean, Filipino or traditional Thai methods etc.
@@Tempest2228
Absolutely!
loved reading this comment thread, glad to help connect more of the dots on your journey
Good stuff. We called it the "wedge throw" since you're wedging your leg in behind them, but we also only had one variation.
thanks! that's a great way to name it
You have some very interesting concepts. I believe you should get in touch with Sam Kressin who has a Tang Soo Doo + Karate Backgrounds, Chris Hauter 4th degree BJJ Black Belt and Billy Robinson Catch Wrestling Prodigy just to name a few. As he is a Contrarian Grappler I believe the both of you will have so many great findings and discussions. Keep doing the great work.
thanks for the referrals! I'll check them out, definitely know Chris hauter and billy robinson, they were pioneers in america. I'll check out Sam, thanks!
I remember being told off for doing over the knee throws when I stared researching applications for the ITF Taekwondo katas (before I started Goju), so glad to see I'm not the only one
(Especially when you see a zenkutsu dachi with a high reinforced block - it almost writes itself, but then I did used to watch a lot of kung Fu movies)
glad to help add some back up to what you discovered before, thanks for watching!
My favorite takedown. When you do it right, it's effortless.
thanks! it's definitely a balance of creating longer vlogs, shorter videos with a checklist of content or even just RUclips shorts etc. Glad you like this type of format
Very good stuff. Keep up the good work!
Appreciate it!
The way i understood is that, All the supported blocks are body lock throws, head and arm throws or arm throws. With the deep stances combined, makes me more convinced.
great comment - it just makes sense that these are clinch techniques
Definitely, I often also compare them to old English chancery pugilism. They work well to trap your opponent into a position from which they cannot defend themselves while you strike them.
Excellent stuff--keep it up. Nice to see young men doing practical karate
Appreciate the positive comments, I'm trying to carry on the fire from OGs like yourself!
Excellent methodology and sharing hopes for using ZD for practical purposes. May be slight differentiation from Shiko Dachi or Sochin Dachi could follow next. Paul,69
awesome analysis using different arts. keep up the great work.
thanks for the positive comment! I'll definitely be making more
The more I learn about Shuai Jiao the more I realize that for really understand karate we need to go back to Shuai Jiao.
It makes a lot of sense. Bringing back Karate to its roots!
yess thanks Luca!
Very cool video! Keep making content!!
thanks! appreciate you watching
Great video and awesome breakdown. I was literally thinking of the “sumo” front stance at the beginning of the video and then you went right into it. Also the views on karate and clinch fighting is great. I remember my old Sensei would “soften” me up with his legs/hips and I had no choice but to be off balance for the small moment before being taken down 👊🏼
thanks! glad you enjoyed it, honestly I had that sumo clip in my head for weeks before making this video lol it was too good of a reference to not include
@@KarateBreakdown absolutely, I greatly appreciate all of the deep breakdowns and sharing of ideas/concepts. Yes that sumo clip is too good, whenever they do that push drill it’s very evident that the “front stance” is what they use to take the impact and slide, it’s fascinating. Very cool to see it in action in other areas
Love your channel bro, i have 30 years in training martial arts and I really appreicate your take on the practical application. Not that i expect to win a book, great idea by the way but am curious. would you give a top 5 of your favorite books on the subject.
Congrats and thanks for great content!
I'd love a good karate book!
thanks! good luck, hope you get picked lol
👍 🥂
Very nice.
Knock over knee throw occurs repeatedly in the form Gong li chuan
appreciate it, i'll have to look up the form, thanks!
Very few people know that Chinese kung-fu is full of grappling techniques. The problem today is having people accept the fact that karate is just another style of kung-fu!.....
Oh my, I need a new book now!
good luck!
As an Aikido practitioner, I see a lot of commonality with Sayu undo
As a former practioner of aikido, we have to come to the realization that Aikido is a water down version of jujutsu. Designed mostly to develop spiritual awareness and not so much for the ancient combat approach.
Sure aikido could work as a personal self-defense method by using the concept of avoidance, but to take it to the level of aggression it requires a deeper understanding.
I suggest to a lot of aikidokas to explore chinese chin-na, it will help you tremendously in developing and understanding aikido.
I'm a karate white belt. Is kata worth it to practice? The traditional katas just make me confused and I don't know how I would use them in a self defense situation.
What about the clinch fighting spar? The spars I do are something like competitive karate mixed with kyokushin
To answer your question yes. Your able to learn technique, breathing stability, learning to look before you move. Looking and paying attention relates to driving a car. Be safe and happy training.
If we didn't think kata were worth to practice we wouldn't be doing karate...
Like the other comments say, yes kata is worth it but most dojos don't know how to apply it in a real situation. It's good you're asking the right questions as a white belt and there are tons of resources online to help you learn more about applying kata, good luck!
@@KarateBreakdown I'm happy to know people want to bring back the roots of karate and mix it with the knowledge we have nowadays. I'm excited as a white belt! Thank you
Hey @karatebreakdown, how about a video recommending some of the books that were most useful to you to understand karate?
candidly, it's been a while since I read these, I feel like I'm a youtube sponge nowadays so I'd like to give these books away to those who still like the reading format
Sorry to barge in. I usually like to recommend Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming works on chin-na and Shuai Jiao, you immediately start to pick-up the similarities to kata movements.
good video but using sensei inoue yoshimi when you say "making it look pretty" is not a good example. in the video he speaks about the biomechanic weight transfer when moving forwards and backwards in zen kutsudachi
thanks! sorry about that video reference, my editing process is pretty rushed so I'll be sure to make better choices next time on what to clip
I own a few of those books!😅
great minds lol!
Also how did you find out karate was a clinch fighting martial art and are you certain?
For one thing karate kata in their modern interpretation and understanding don't make sense. You could not apply any of the techniques as they are explained by most karate teachers today. If at all it is very hard to do so, and that goes against all logic.
The other argument is that you could not fight in kata form, I just don't agree with that. If you take Nihon kobudo kata, like itsutsu-no-tachi from TSKSR for example, the whole sequence is designed to defeat the opponent in a few sequences or by finally setting him up into a position of defeat. That concept I took to karate to see how it could work.
The problem was that modern interpretation of karate kata did not work. So I started looking around other martial arts, like Shuai Jiao and chin-na another method of grappling used in Chinese martial arts.
After coming across Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming work of analysis of shaolin chin-na, it all made sense. I started seeing the same movements found in Pinan (Heian) kata and others. Recently Muay Thai clinching techniques also make a lot of sense. Similarly in old English chancery pugilism, you find very similar methods that are comparable to karate kata movements.
It is by this triangulation study of different martial arts and understanding of human kinesiology and body mechanics, plus observations of human fighting that one can come to these conclusions.
In the studies of human evolution and hoplology, human fighting evolved from two methods grappling and striking. These two were often combined for fighting in warfare, it was with the creation of sports contests that they were separated into two distinctive styles, and also their lethal applications reduced or totally removed.
The ancient method of karate known as Tui-te, was not a civilian self-defense method, but an art designed for the battlefield i.e. it was designed to kill.
@@tatumergo3931 thanks man for explaining everything to me I just was a little skeptical that he was stretching in some of these videos but I'm glad to have read this comment and karate imo is the most interesting to learn about 💪👍
@@MasterChief1117-g8z . You are welcome. I must apologize for the long essay, it took me like three times to get it as concise as possible and at the same time convey all the information. For it is kind of hard when explaining all the intricacies involved, without omitting some of the important information.
Let me just say that MMA is not a new thing or idea, it's quite the opposite an it has been around since the beginning of human civilization. Interesting to know that original martial arts were composed of techniques both for grappling and striking. Take for example the ancient Greek art of pankration, one of the oldest known martial arts in the world. It was composed of two schools of approach to combat, one that favor more grappling and the other one striking.
It is attested to have been the creation of two mythical heroes, Theseus and Heracles one favoring more striking while the other grappling. Eventually these two schools created the sports of pale (wrestling) and pygmachia (boxing) with a possible third method pyx-lax (kickboxing).
@@tatumergo3931 it's cool you don't have to apologize I like reading the long comments 💪
I like this video but my stance is a mix of karate and boxing stance
super practical stance for sparring, you can still drive through with a deeper stance whenever you want to try takedown
I like to focus on the Principles of keeping flat heels, Throughout the push/pull form. Sticking to the ground *comfortably* instead of 🔥 unnecessary energy jumping on Toes. // isometric workouts are good for Stretching heels + calf on occasion. >> My Goto workout:
>>Push against a wall/tree, Hands below shoulder's >> push from Hips>> Turns into Power from Planted Feet>> into Power punches and eventually DYNAMITE Punches from Hip, Brother!
@@FreakyFriday4Phaggsthanks dude
💯🙏🏽
thanks for the comment! love the username
@@KarateBreakdown thanks , you have one of my favorite youtube channels
Onegai shimasu! Osu!
glad you liked it!
02:59 ... like manji uke from heian godan 😁
Good eye, thanks for the timestamp!