We have quite a few other weird and wonderful coin-based (debased in one instance) episodes of Curator's Corner. Get all numismatic here: ruclips.net/p/PL0LQM0SAx600d1wz4pUC9qQbtTZevy1QA
Who Drew His Own Money | The Boggs Banknote | Curator's Corner S7 Ep3 1724PM 214.22 AND THE QUEEN LOOKS NOWT LIKE HERSELF... SHE COULDN'T GET AWAY FROM HERSELF, I BET.... AKIN TO ONE OF THOSE MINTED COINS FROM A DISREPUTABLE FIRM.
Boggs was acquitted in the UK and Australia. He was never prosecuted by the USA, but the Secret Service confiscated his work from his studio on more than one occasion, and he was unsuccessful at recovering any of it.
When I was at high school in England I had an art teacher by the name of John Chambers. liked him very much, and he liked me because I truly appreciated his brilliance as an artist even though he would quickly and roughly draw sketches and examples for me. He liked me because, as he said, I had a unique understanding color, of light and shade. I was just a kid of but I appreciated all that he said and taught. We were close, and one day he told me how he had won a bet at college when he was just a student. A few of his friends bet him that he could not reproduce a one pound note so well that it would pass as a real one.....Now this would have been about 1954. He took the bet and produced a one pound note that he was able to cash for a packet of cigarettes and some change. He won the bet BUT it is my guess that the forged one pound note would have been worth, as a work of art, far more than One Pound. He has since exhibited at The Royal Academy in London, UK. To me, he always let me use his Nick-name: 'Spud' I still feel honored today. An absolutely naughty, and wonderful man.
Great story. Just before my time in London and so I don't know the story. The fact that he changed money forever is pretty cool. Banksy gave out those notes at a festival. I think it was Glastonbury and some people actually used them to pay for things. Obviously not realising what they were actually worth. He then stopped doing it as once they were being used they were forgeries.
There is soooo much more to this story. To begin with the artist's name, Boggs. Besides watercloset it can also denote a quagmire, and there is a hint of judicial/philosophical quagmire in this case. Then there is the use of the word 'reproduction'. One could state that ALL banknotes are reproductions. The originals are probably locked up somewhere in a vault. Reproductions of said original, by means of photographic and printing technique copied many many times and passed of as... money! (Quagmire much? 😁). And then the Banksy connection. At the beginning of this video I felt a connection with Banksy comming up. Because they both begin with 'B'? Because Banksy's name suggests something to do with money and banks aka financial institutions? Or, because both, Bogg's and Banksy's works are a comment on values and whatnot of modern society and modern life? And it goes on and on and on... But also this: Bogg's work ends up in an exhibition of fake(s). But to me these drawings of banknotes are original works. A bit like Marguerite's "Ce n'est pas une pipe". Again, philosophical quagmire. I liked this curator's corner very much. Thank you, British Museum.
A banknote is not just a piece of paper. It is a guarantee, a promises from the bank it will be worth what ever it says. Each has its own number so every promise is unique. If you copy it it's not about the note but about forging that promise. Bogs did not do that. He copied the image of a banknote. Now with the copyright claim on there it's punishable but...... yeah, I doubt a court would convict if you if you only did a sketch on half the paper. It's not a really convincing copy. More like a new piece of art..... Well wadayaknow!! Besides. Isn't copyright infringement usually punishable by sharing the proceeds with the holder of the copyright?
@@Stadtpark90 hahahahahaha kind of !!! Old school "entrepreneurs" from the 50s,60s,70s&80s even 90s would have legit businesses and Jimmy's was "flowers"...ie. he had "pitches" around South East London. Ronnie "Buster" Edwardes worked one by Waterloo Station, on the main drag just up from The Old Vic...excellent plot,always busy, punters loved him , but the black dog got him. Jimmy "The Pen" had an amazing touch of genius...for fun, as a gift he would make you a 10 bob note...a crisp brown 10 shillings note work of art. Jimmy was good but he had a partner (I wish I could remember his name ,from Forest Hill) who was without doubt a Master. His forgeries are worth money and even collected. Him and Jimmy would wait for someone to steal a mid range work then set about making forgeries. His partner really knew his art history and Jimmy would find the punter. He said it was the punters desire/greed to possess that did the selling. Someone stole several Lowrys from The Dulwich Gallery...Jimmy and his partner made over 20 forgeries they sold to "collectors" NOT fences...but a fence got caught in a Scotland Yard sting operation trying to shift the forgeries...even so it wasn't until the gallery got to examine the pieces...apparently the forgeries are now collectable.
Wait, is this the same artist who would also draw completely fantastical money from completely fictional countries? That's a really interesting story: because he wasn't actually forging any real country's currency, nor did he claim his art was legal tender, it put him in a legal grey area. His argument was that he was simply exchanging art for food and other goods, but the authorities were definitely not comfortable with the idea, going after him various times albeit unsuccessfully iirc. I'm pretty sure this was all in the States though, it's been a decade or two since I read the article.
I happened to be in England when they had the Fakes exhibition. Unfortunately I don't remember seeing the notes. However I believe there is an American artist who designed his own American currency (one-sided only), used them to buy various items, and since his work was quite collectible it was a good deal to take.
The whole point of contesting money as an art form is because it is the primary job to of the bank to protect the security of what money is. As these trials prove they are fragile as heck and undermine the way we see and use money. It is their job to react this way. I'm sure that on a personal level they loved it but as a professional the can not allow lines to blur in the slightest. And frankly, without this struggle it would not have been half as interesting.
Funny how the powers of money will always keep the little man down and at the same time do anything to take the little man's money. Stop believing these people are anything but evil's tools.
How many litteral times can you litterally say litterally without it becoming too litterally annoying for litteral people litterally watching this litteral video, litterally?
They don't need the copyright mark to sue for copyright infringement - the copyright in the artwork in the note arises automatically. Great story even if some of was a bit wrong 😁
Any time I hear anything about the British justice system in always appalled at it's stupidity, why do your people continue to put up with this!? It sounds like it's time for another tea party in the harbor over there!!!
"Drawing" is written with letters, not sounds. Anybody can pronounce words in their preferred fashion. It is a partially free country and English is as English is done. You understood the word, I presume?
People speaking in posh modern RP, like the curator, pronounce the consonants in this way. You can tell because the "wr" sound is extended rather than a silent "w" as we would do in the US.
I agree this is the internet not 1980's TV this "Premiers In XX Hours" and such is nonsense! In fact I consider it offensive because you go to watch it because your interested in it and you find out it does not drop for another day! That just ticks me off to the point I make a point of not coming back and watching it! If I happen upon a few weeks or months later and watch it by accident it happens. LOL It is too bad the videos that does this do not get automatic thumbs down if people do not come back to watch it after having clicked on it first and been turned away by "Premiers in XX Hours or Days". I would love a way to punish them for teasing us it is just as bad as click bait titles!
We have quite a few other weird and wonderful coin-based (debased in one instance) episodes of Curator's Corner. Get all numismatic here: ruclips.net/p/PL0LQM0SAx600d1wz4pUC9qQbtTZevy1QA
Who Drew His Own Money | The Boggs Banknote | Curator's Corner S7 Ep3 1724PM 214.22 AND THE QUEEN LOOKS NOWT LIKE HERSELF... SHE COULDN'T GET AWAY FROM HERSELF, I BET.... AKIN TO ONE OF THOSE MINTED COINS FROM A DISREPUTABLE FIRM.
Please return stolen artifacts around the world.
You are shameless race who display stolen artifacts with no shame.
Contact me for British currency notes and coins
@@sean659 there are people of every community protecting them you fool , a country cannot have access to everything anyway
You had me enthralled the whole video! Crazy what the government will do about art sometimes. Thank you for sharing Boggs' story with us.
As others have pointed out the story teller is a natural, I'd love to hear more! The banksy exhibition perhaps?
this is brilliant story telling!
Boggs was acquitted in the UK and Australia. He was never prosecuted by the USA, but the Secret Service confiscated his work from his studio on more than one occasion, and he was unsuccessful at recovering any of it.
Excellent snippet of history and a poke in the eye of the establishment
When I was at high school in England I had an art teacher by the name of John Chambers. liked him very much, and he liked me because I truly appreciated his brilliance as an artist even though he would quickly and roughly draw sketches and examples for me. He liked me because, as he said, I had a unique understanding color, of light and shade. I was just a kid of but I appreciated all that he said and taught. We were close, and one day he told me how he had won a bet at college when he was just a student. A few of his friends bet him that he could not reproduce a one pound note so well that it would pass as a real one.....Now this would have been about 1954. He took the bet and produced a one pound note that he was able to cash for a packet of cigarettes and some change. He won the bet BUT it is my guess that the forged one pound note would have been worth, as a work of art, far more than One Pound. He has since exhibited at The Royal Academy in London, UK. To me, he always let me use his Nick-name: 'Spud' I still feel honored today. An absolutely naughty, and wonderful man.
This is very cool. I never heard this before. Thanks for uploading this
Honestly, Boggs should've gone to the museum, and bought an item from the gift shop worth 5£ in order to donate one of his piece.
Great story. Just before my time in London and so I don't know the story. The fact that he changed money forever is pretty cool.
Banksy gave out those notes at a festival. I think it was Glastonbury and some people actually used them to pay for things. Obviously not realising what they were actually worth. He then stopped doing it as once they were being used they were forgeries.
That's really cool! I like that he didn't try to deceive people. I think it elevates him from being a con artist to a normal artist.
Not an ordinary artist - an artist of note.
@@pattheplanter Haha, I treasure that joke. I'm (bank)rolling on the floor laughing.
@@pattheplanter Some one give this man a medal.
You could say he changed the art world.
There is soooo much more to this story. To begin with the artist's name, Boggs. Besides watercloset it can also denote a quagmire, and there is a hint of judicial/philosophical quagmire in this case. Then there is the use of the word 'reproduction'. One could state that ALL banknotes are reproductions. The originals are probably locked up somewhere in a vault. Reproductions of said original, by means of photographic and printing technique copied many many times and passed of as... money! (Quagmire much? 😁). And then the Banksy connection. At the beginning of this video I felt a connection with Banksy comming up. Because they both begin with 'B'? Because Banksy's name suggests something to do with money and banks aka financial institutions? Or, because both, Bogg's and Banksy's works are a comment on values and whatnot of modern society and modern life? And it goes on and on and on... But also this: Bogg's work ends up in an exhibition of fake(s). But to me these drawings of banknotes are original works. A bit like Marguerite's "Ce n'est pas une pipe". Again, philosophical quagmire. I liked this curator's corner very much. Thank you, British Museum.
shutting the door after the horse bolted
People used to defecate in bogs/marshes
@@uttaradit2 huh huh huh. You're so funny. 😬
A banknote is not just a piece of paper. It is a guarantee, a promises from the bank it will be worth what ever it says. Each has its own number so every promise is unique. If you copy it it's not about the note but about forging that promise. Bogs did not do that. He copied the image of a banknote. Now with the copyright claim on there it's punishable but...... yeah, I doubt a court would convict if you if you only did a sketch on half the paper. It's not a really convincing copy. More like a new piece of art..... Well wadayaknow!!
Besides. Isn't copyright infringement usually punishable by sharing the proceeds with the holder of the copyright?
Lawrence Weschler wrote a very interesting book about Boggs, who died in Florida in 2017 at the age of 62.
It is a perplexity, makes one wonder about free will, and everything.
Here is a Ginga, no soul obviously, yet he SEEMS so plausibly human.
A great story well told. Thanks Tom.
I think we can all agree, that bureaucrats need to leave artists alone.
I'm just waiting for that copyright trial, in which the artist argues their work falls under Fair Dealing...
Public domain innit?
Well done, as ever. Please keep producing these!
THAT
Is a great conversation
that was really a cool backstory, thanks!
thanks for the story, really interesting
I knew a bloke who did exactly this...Jimmy the Pen...sold flowers at Lewisham Market in the 70s 👉🇬🇧👈
Drawings of flowers?
@@Stadtpark90 hahahahahaha kind of !!! Old school "entrepreneurs" from the 50s,60s,70s&80s even 90s would have legit businesses and Jimmy's was "flowers"...ie. he had "pitches" around South East London. Ronnie "Buster" Edwardes worked one by Waterloo Station, on the main drag just up from The Old Vic...excellent plot,always busy, punters loved him , but the black dog got him. Jimmy "The Pen" had an amazing touch of genius...for fun, as a gift he would make you a 10 bob note...a crisp brown 10 shillings note work of art. Jimmy was good but he had a partner (I wish I could remember his name ,from Forest Hill) who was without doubt a Master. His forgeries are worth money and even collected. Him and Jimmy would wait for someone to steal a mid range work then set about making forgeries. His partner really knew his art history and Jimmy would find the punter. He said it was the punters desire/greed to possess that did the selling.
Someone stole several Lowrys from The Dulwich Gallery...Jimmy and his partner made over 20 forgeries they sold to "collectors" NOT fences...but a fence got caught in a Scotland Yard sting operation trying to shift the forgeries...even so it wasn't until the gallery got to examine the pieces...apparently the forgeries are now collectable.
Amazing story!
This was absolutely intresting!
This was the most fascinating
Wait, is this the same artist who would also draw completely fantastical money from completely fictional countries? That's a really interesting story: because he wasn't actually forging any real country's currency, nor did he claim his art was legal tender, it put him in a legal grey area. His argument was that he was simply exchanging art for food and other goods, but the authorities were definitely not comfortable with the idea, going after him various times albeit unsuccessfully iirc. I'm pretty sure this was all in the States though, it's been a decade or two since I read the article.
Very good. Love this stuff...
Very fascinating!
While I was a teenager, I think I remember a US news story about Boggs and his work (or that of an imitator), when it was still current.
I happened to be in England when they had the Fakes exhibition. Unfortunately I don't remember seeing the notes. However I believe there is an American artist who designed his own American currency (one-sided only), used them to buy various items, and since his work was quite collectible it was a good deal to take.
Thank you for making this happen
Oh, I get it. So he's (literally) a "money" Banksy. except we know him.
Note-toriety
SPECIMEN is floating over the bank note!
Brilliant Video
Gotta love these stories! Tnx
More interresting story would why us secret service raided him in 1992 ,instead of FBI or local police.
'Oh yeah and he was also raided by the US secret service' you cant just gloss over that part what happened?
It is a secret.
What a fantastic story!
Excellent!
Copyright in monetary signs and government works should be abolished.
One of my clients (two sisters) were so good at drawing that they had a legal looking license plate....that they drew.
It's not like writing copyright on something means anything.
This was great. Can we have a story by the same curator about the actual bogs of the British Museum? Surely there must be a bit of history there?
Super fantastic!
I remember this
Such act is known 'counterfeiting' with no security features cannot be rendered as 'legal tender'.
Amazing and cool
at first I thought that this was a dude swindling people, but this guy had a pretty nice art project going.
Fascinating!
Boggs was American born?? Do you have ANY IDEA what counterfeiting currency give you in the USA?? Life. That's what you get! No wonder he moved.
Brilliant!
FOUR DAYS at the Old Bailey?? What was the legal bill? The price of a chateau in Chalfont-St-Giles??
So much of this is perfect illustration (pun intended) of late stage capitalism
I note that Boggs' website carries a copyright claim too.
I don't think they would get far with a copyright claim against a work which doesn't aim to be a substitute.
The whole point of contesting money as an art form is because it is the primary job to of the bank to protect the security of what money is. As these trials prove they are fragile as heck and undermine the way we see and use money. It is their job to react this way.
I'm sure that on a personal level they loved it but as a professional the can not allow lines to blur in the slightest. And frankly, without this struggle it would not have been half as interesting.
The bank obviously ain´t got a sense of humour...
Funny how the powers of money will always keep the little man down and at the same time do anything to take the little man's money. Stop believing these people are anything but evil's tools.
The artist Banksy doing prints of bank notes. Ironic don't you think?
I took a screenshot of the specimen note am I in trouble?
Quite tight ended those BoE people back then, weren't they?
How can you tell the year of a bank note
Hahaha.... Great story!
Typically this would happen in the 80s lol
Wow, something in the British museum actually belonging to Britain. Rare.
Hilarious
How many litteral times can you litterally say litterally without it becoming too litterally annoying for litteral people litterally watching this litteral video, litterally?
Amazing! The British Museum telling stories about Britain! Imagine that!
English banknotes.
They don't need the copyright mark to sue for copyright infringement - the copyright in the artwork in the note arises automatically. Great story even if some of was a bit wrong 😁
I HATE this premier stuff on RUclips. No one sits here waiting, just drop the damn video
some of us have big subscription feeds (reuters, etc) and so it 's good to be able to get a reminder
Most first world problem ever
@@julianshepherd2038 no… not even close. When my chef can’t come to work is much more first world problem
I will say , it was a great story ….
@@julianshepherd2038 pretty much
Why does that thing that is not a specimen say specimen?
Was it done crappy because y'all are bad at that, or so I'd know you did it?
Excellent story. I remember the OB trial but had forgotten much of the detail. BUT please learn how to pronounce 'drawing'! It only has one 'r'.
Any time I hear anything about the British justice system in always appalled at it's stupidity, why do your people continue to put up with this!? It sounds like it's time for another tea party in the harbor over there!!!
The word "drawing" is pronounced as it's written, NOT "DRAW_RING" for goodness sake!
"Drawing" is written with letters, not sounds. Anybody can pronounce words in their preferred fashion. It is a partially free country and English is as English is done. You understood the word, I presume?
People speaking in posh modern RP, like the curator, pronounce the consonants in this way. You can tell because the "wr" sound is extended rather than a silent "w" as we would do in the US.
wow a british museum item that wasn't just stolen from far away lands
Wait until you find out about something called winners and "losers"
I agree this is the internet not 1980's TV this "Premiers In XX Hours" and such is nonsense! In fact I consider it offensive because you go to watch it because your interested in it and you find out it does not drop for another day! That just ticks me off to the point I make a point of not coming back and watching it! If I happen upon a few weeks or months later and watch it by accident it happens. LOL It is too bad the videos that does this do not get automatic thumbs down if people do not come back to watch it after having clicked on it first and been turned away by "Premiers in XX Hours or Days". I would love a way to punish them for teasing us it is just as bad as click bait titles!
Yawn.
How petty can someone be holy moly
Brilliant!