I think this Suite is way ahead of its time because it reminds me of the compositional style of the romantic composers (Berlioz, Holst, Sibelius). The overture is extremely great. Handel was a visionary
SO AMAZING CONCERT, Handel is one of greatest composist, very energic music, violins and trumpets excelent ! ... "Party boy composer" :D Componing for events... I thanks for this "musicman" like Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and others... World is now better
This is the first time I've heard a performance at such a fast tempo. It seems like the conductor is rushing to catch the last train and wants to finish the performance of Handel's masterpiece ASAP.
This is my favorite of baroque, I have it on CD with Menuhin Festival Orchestra its the master peace of the baroque!!! Even G.F. Haendel was German he may consider a English composer!!!
*sob* so beautiful... well, I am in the orchestra at Chaparral Middle School We are playing this song.... but I wish we can make music as beautiful as this
IIt is impossible o resisst to te majesruous simplicity of these Royl Fireworks, almst anways writinr to be performed bi natural hords ans trumpets and their limiyrf mrdofic znd hztmonic spectrim.
Why cant we all just shut up and appreciate the art. All composers of that day were master minds and deserve the utmost respect. Enjoy art don't critique it. No one has any right to critique such profound craftsmanship. disrespectful fools -.-
@sstuddert What I had been pointing out was the fact the according to Bach & Handel's contemporaries (not my personal opinion), Handel was the "greater" composer who best represented the epoch. Bach was deemed too "old fashioned" by his contemporaries in a time where church music is secondary place. I hope this explains my stand. Respects to both Handel & Bach's genius.
All 1st World countries are used to this kind of music such as symphonies,concertos, suites, ballets,nocturnes, baroque, medieval. I love this one by Handel.
Musick for the Royal Fireworks Orchestra is not only a magnificent Baroque Festive Piece, but also a sort of farewell to the Baroque. After this, the "Aristocratic Era" was more or less over. The "Democratic Era" had begun. Magnificent and quite melancholic at the same time..
I dont understand why people......in example below have to critique such grand artists of musical art. They are dead!. Appreciate the music, respect the art.
@fujianprince not at all, the music exists outside of the perception of the listener. The listener's understanding of the music may rely on his subjective perception of it, but the quality of the music itself relies only on the ability of the composer and is therefore constant.
@fujianprince Yes, Bach's contemporaries did find him old fashioned, but we now know that Bach was in fact the exact opposite - he was a highly innovative composer who's influence on future musicians was only surpassed by that of Beethoven and, possibly, Wagner. Furthermore, it wouldn't be the only time that a composer was rejected by his contemporaries (Schubert, Bruckner, Mahler), and it wouldn't be the last time that a composer's contemporaries would be proven wrong.
@sstuddert I agree with all your points except one. Bach was also flawed in craftsmanship, as proven by the missing parts of Cantata BWV.216 (Vergnügte Pleißenstadt) or the missing bass of Air with Variations in C minor, BWV.991, etc.. This is a recurring problem with most polymath composers (eg. Telemann); many works = probability of many flaws.
@fujianprince I use technical language on the presupposition that you understand it, if I try to "prove [my] intellectual superiority" (which I don't), at least I do so by producing an intelligent argument rather than by boasting my attendance at some convention. As for Chopin's comment, it holds no weight in this argument because he didn't support his claim with evidence or reason.
I don't think it's strange at all since Handel moved to England in 1710 and lived there for the rest of his live and he composed the royal firework in his later years.
@sstuddert Could you please explain to me why Bach deliberately copied the basso continuo of Purcell's Ground in Gamut for his "Goldberg" Variations? Or why he failed to surpass Handel's organ concertos and resorted to transcribing Vivaldi concertos instead? And how come he never composed a single March piece?
@sstuddert Again, again, I repeat, you must first understand the Zeitgeist and the Weltanschauung of their time. I never cited this "general majority" perception, rather I implied the perception of well-known 18th century authorities in their own time. Who would you rather believe? A) Contemporaries of Bach & Handel who knew, wrote treatises, and listened to their music or B) Your 21st century view on Bach & Handel
@fujianprince Again, and I want to see you confirm this, do you think that Cherubini and Salieri were greater composers than Schubert and that he (Schubert) was a composer completely without talent?
@sstuddert There are many sources to the Handel-Bach argument. I'll cite one for now, Ferdinand Ries, who was close to Beethoven: "Of all composers, Beethoven valued Handel the highest, then Mozart and Sebastian Bach." Source - F. G. Wegeler & F. Ries, 'Biographische Notizen uber Ludwig van Beethoven' (Goblenz, 1838), p.84 Now give me your historically cited counter-evidence.... Handel > Bach (acc. to LvB)
@fujianprince What makes you think that the missing parts and works are flawed? It seems a little odd that only that music of Bach's which is perfect should survive and all of the music which is flawed, and which might therefore prove your point, is missing. Not only this, you're argument is pure speculation. Just because there is a possibility that some of the missing works and parts might be flawed doesn't make Handel the greater composer.
@fujianprince Who was the greater genius? It's entirely subjective. Their styles were vastly different and difficult to compare. Handel was theatrical, and commercial considerations and the need to appeal to many people greatly influenced his music. Bach was much more introspective and composed for patrons rather than for the public, as Handel did.
@fujianprince As I have already explained, this evidence is indisputable: Bach's contemporaries did think Handel was greater, during his early and middle periods, Beethoven once said "Handel, to him I bow the knee" when asked who he thought was the greatest composer, but what does this prove? it proves that Beethoven and Bach's contemporaries liked Handel. I asked you to draw your conclusions directly from the music and you have done the exact opposite. Can you even read music?
"Enjoy art don't critique it" - that's just another way of telling me to enjoy art without thinking about it. Everyone has every right to critique anything just as they please; whether that critique is intelligent or not is a different matter entirely, but who are you to say that people can or even should not critique art? Who are you to say that we should or should not engage in a particular kind of discourse? I fail to see how this is disrespectful.
en mi opinion , es una de las mayores obras de la historia de la musica, es una berdadera lastima ke la musica culta se substituyera por la musica que se escucha actualmente
@sstuddert I do not, in any way, disagree with you about Bach's genius. However, you stated that "Bach WAS the greater craftsman" (past tense), instead of "Bach IS the greater craftsman" (present tense). Since your argument involved the PAST tense, it has to be evidenced by an authority from the PAST (eg. Charles Burney, Johann Mattheson, Johann Joachim Quantz, John Stafford Smith, Jean Philippe Rameau, or any Baroque-era historian-theorists).
@sstuddert The comparison you had made earlier was between Mozart and Salieri (contemporaries). And now you insist on Salieri to Schubert (teacher-student)? And I NEVER mentioned Schubert being "completely without talent," why did you make that up yourself? Fallacy of inconsistent comparison.
@fujianprince You have given me historical evidence but not historical evidence that in any way supports your argument. If you were arguing that Handel had a greater influence on his contemporaries, then the opinions of his contemporaries would be a relevant, but that Handel had more skill than Bach? no, the highest authority in this regard can only be the music itself. The opinions of Bach's contemporaries say more about them then they do about Bach.
Don't tell me I can't force my "opinions" on others, I can see right through it; don't patronise me. Secondly, I assume it to already be true based on a different criteria, there is no circular reasoning there. I am NOT saying that Bach was the greater composer because people thought otherwise and they must have been wrong because Bach was the greater composer. I am saying that fujianprince's standard, the esteem of the contemporary majority, is an unreasonable criteria in itself EITHER WAY.
@fujianprince So you weren't able to give me any purely musically based argument. My reasoning is not based upon the conclusions of any authority, I'm a free thinker - no matter how much 'authority' any individual or groups of individuals have or are perceived to have, I don't just take their word for it. Be skeptical and consider the argument itself, not the individual who declares it. Don't let others draw your conclusions for you, reason and draw your conclusions yourself.
@fujianprince A simple evaluation of a composer's music is not subjective if it is based upon a reasoned contemplation of the music (it's merits or lack thereof). Bach was the greater craftsman, you may like Handel more, but that doesn't make a difference.
@sstuddert "I asked you to draw your conclusions directly from the music and you have done the exact opposite." How many times do I need to repeat this? Handel wins in theater; Bach wins in church. The Zeitgeist of Baroque period is Opera, not church music. Handel > Bach in their time. I DO NOT deny Bach's mastery in contrapuntal fugues. "Can you even read music?" Yes. Otherwise I wouldn't be in the 18th International Congress of the International Musicological Society in Zurich, last 2007.
@fujianprince Listen to me, very, VERY carefully: the perceptions of others are subjective; the music itself is an object external to their subjective perception of it. Your argument is balanced upon the wuthering knife edge of relativism. In essence, what you're saying is that, because the majority thought Bach was not the greater composer in his time, he was not. There's a name for that kind of fallacy: argumentum ad populum.
@fujianprince the Mass in B minor, the St Matthew Passion, the art of fugue are all greater than comparable Handel works. Even if some or all of Bach's missing music was flawed (which is not likely when one considers this man's record), he would still be a greater craftsman than Handle on the account of his survivng compositions alone. I've never heard this argument before and it's really feeble, worse than the "if Mozart lived longer than Beethoven, Mozart would have become greater" theory.
The run that the violins have at 3:49 was just perfect. Thank you Handel and the BBC Symphony.
Just absolutely, absolutely fantastic 👍👍👍
played with such majesty ! its such a fine piece of work that Handel did !
Good Heavens, quite lovely indeed isn't it...God bless them all.
Dolby 7.1 surround sound. It blew my mind!!!
This is simply wonderful!!!
very well written......a masterpiece...
Love this overture. This version is slightly more up to date than another one I watched on youtube, as that was played with period instruments.
this music is so good I can feel so many different emotion from different movement
Truly one of Handel's best!
I think this Suite is way ahead of its time because it reminds me of the compositional style of the romantic composers (Berlioz, Holst, Sibelius). The overture is extremely great. Handel was a visionary
A beautiful piece by a great coposer!
SO AMAZING CONCERT, Handel is one of greatest composist, very energic music, violins and trumpets excelent ! ... "Party boy composer" :D Componing for events... I thanks for this "musicman" like Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and others... World is now better
All praise to George Frederick Handel!
I keep getting this music stuck in my head. but I don't mind. I love Handel, and this is my favourite work of his.
Salute to mr.handel......its gods music.......hallelujah
Yessir! The surround sound is just fantastic!
This is the first time I've heard a performance at such a fast tempo. It seems like the conductor is rushing to catch the last train and wants to finish the performance of Handel's masterpiece ASAP.
Handel is Epic... I like his Bourree for the piano...
Simply beautiful.
bombastic in the best possible way ;)
The violins 3:49- 4:05 WOWOWOWOW!!!!!!
And I played the Viola from 1972 to 1980
I love lisening to royal music it such good sound.
This is my favorite of baroque, I have it on CD with Menuhin Festival Orchestra its the master peace of the baroque!!! Even G.F. Haendel was German he may consider a English composer!!!
2:30 - 4:04 is surely the most joyous piece of music ever written!
*sob* so beautiful...
well, I am in the orchestra at Chaparral Middle School
We are playing this song....
but I wish we can make music as beautiful as this
Bravissimo!
6:38 I love this woman's reaction when the cameraman keeps picking her out! 😳
It's nice to know the Brits also applaud between movements in a single work. It's not just us Americans!
All time great handle and bach
Who’s still here from 13/ 15 yrs ago, I’d long forgotten about this Masterpiece till tonight in December 2023
Nobody does drums and trumpets better than the Baroque, and few Baroque composers as well as Handel
nicely done.
@Cornetkid1 I will definitely look into that. Thanks for the suggestion.
Nobody does drums and trumpets better than the Baroque, and fes Baroque composers as well as Handel.
So godlike!
Very good!
IIt is impossible o resisst to te majesruous simplicity of these Royl Fireworks, almst anways writinr to be performed bi natural hords ans trumpets and their limiyrf mrdofic znd hztmonic spectrim.
There was surely never a more joyous piece of music written. I honestly believe that this surpasses the "Messiah" as musical praise for the Creator.
The glory of Handel. I think, with the single exception of Mozart, he was the greatest
composer ever. His music uplifts the soul.
It's in the description: Sir Andrew Davis.
Georg Friedrich Händel ein Superstar mit unvergesslicher Musik!!!!!!!!
Love it. Makes you want to be a monarchist!
Why cant we all just shut up and appreciate the art. All composers of that day were master minds and deserve the utmost respect. Enjoy art don't critique it. No one has any right to critique such profound craftsmanship. disrespectful fools -.-
phantastisch!!!!!!!!!!
@sstuddert What I had been pointing out was the fact the according to Bach & Handel's contemporaries (not my personal opinion), Handel was the "greater" composer who best represented the epoch. Bach was deemed too "old fashioned" by his contemporaries in a time where church music is secondary place. I hope this explains my stand. Respects to both Handel & Bach's genius.
All 1st World countries are used to this kind of music such as symphonies,concertos, suites, ballets,nocturnes, baroque, medieval. I love this one by Handel.
Musick for the Royal Fireworks Orchestra is not only a magnificent Baroque Festive Piece, but also a sort of farewell to the Baroque. After this, the "Aristocratic Era" was more or less over. The "Democratic Era" had begun. Magnificent and quite melancholic at the same time..
I dont understand why people......in example below have to critique such grand artists of musical art. They are dead!. Appreciate the music, respect the art.
I forgot about this piece. I'm gong to have to pull this one out to do with my orchestra. Of course it won't be this grand.
The real question is "Do you like this music?"My answer is that I love it! The rest is intellectualising!
they become faster and faster, the conductor tries to catch them but no chance ;-) The sound is like it must be
@fujianprince not at all, the music exists outside of the perception of the listener. The listener's understanding of the music may rely on his subjective perception of it, but the quality of the music itself relies only on the ability of the composer and is therefore constant.
@DelfosMX Cual es tu ciudad? Joan Sebastian?? Oh....logico esta musica es Europea, la musica es Universal ...si pero es tambien cultural :)
@fujianprince Yes, Bach's contemporaries did find him old fashioned, but we now know that Bach was in fact the exact opposite - he was a highly innovative composer who's influence on future musicians was only surpassed by that of Beethoven and, possibly, Wagner. Furthermore, it wouldn't be the only time that a composer was rejected by his contemporaries (Schubert, Bruckner, Mahler), and it wouldn't be the last time that a composer's contemporaries would be proven wrong.
@VONHIMMELBACH Haha we sure do!
@sstuddert I agree with all your points except one. Bach was also flawed in craftsmanship, as proven by the missing parts of Cantata BWV.216 (Vergnügte Pleißenstadt) or the missing bass of Air with Variations in C minor, BWV.991, etc.. This is a recurring problem with most polymath composers (eg. Telemann); many works = probability of many flaws.
im playin this song and wen we play it it sounds nothin like this
@davehshs RUclips comment errors. Sorry for the many replies, not intentional.
@fujianprince I use technical language on the presupposition that you understand it, if I try to "prove [my] intellectual superiority" (which I don't), at least I do so by producing an intelligent argument rather than by boasting my attendance at some convention.
As for Chopin's comment, it holds no weight in this argument because he didn't support his claim with evidence or reason.
hey rupert jones this robert what is different prom and party at palace prom is before or after party at palace?
I don't think it's strange at all since Handel moved to England in 1710 and lived there for the rest of his live and he composed the royal firework in his later years.
@sstuddert Could you please explain to me why Bach deliberately copied the basso continuo of Purcell's Ground in Gamut for his "Goldberg" Variations? Or why he failed to surpass Handel's organ concertos and resorted to transcribing Vivaldi concertos instead? And how come he never composed a single March piece?
@sstuddert Again, again, I repeat, you must first understand the Zeitgeist and the Weltanschauung of their time. I never cited this "general majority" perception, rather I implied the perception of well-known 18th century authorities in their own time. Who would you rather believe?
A) Contemporaries of Bach & Handel who knew, wrote treatises, and listened to their music
or
B) Your 21st century view on Bach & Handel
@bentonpreciado We love you Handel!!!!
@beastinblack agreed. Viva Vivaldi! :D
@davehshs Read Christoph Wolff's book on JS Bach. I hope that helps.
@fujianprince Again, and I want to see you confirm this, do you think that Cherubini and Salieri were greater composers than Schubert and that he (Schubert) was a composer completely without talent?
Who is the conductor - I realise that he has done Last Night of the Proms but what's his name?
I came on here to listen to the music, I typed in youtube not wikipedia
@lindermann Beethoven and Berlioz and Mahler tried to strive for elegance, did they?
jeez why do handel videos have so much dislikes?
@sstuddert There are many sources to the Handel-Bach argument. I'll cite one for now, Ferdinand Ries, who was close to Beethoven:
"Of all composers, Beethoven valued Handel the highest, then Mozart and Sebastian Bach."
Source - F. G. Wegeler & F. Ries, 'Biographische Notizen uber Ludwig van Beethoven' (Goblenz, 1838), p.84
Now give me your historically cited counter-evidence.... Handel > Bach (acc. to LvB)
GO OBOES!! :D
@fujianprince What makes you think that the missing parts and works are flawed? It seems a little odd that only that music of Bach's which is perfect should survive and all of the music which is flawed, and which might therefore prove your point, is missing. Not only this, you're argument is pure speculation. Just because there is a possibility that some of the missing works and parts might be flawed doesn't make Handel the greater composer.
@fujianprince Who was the greater genius? It's entirely subjective. Their styles were vastly different and difficult to compare. Handel was theatrical, and commercial considerations and the need to appeal to many people greatly influenced his music. Bach was much more introspective and composed for patrons rather than for the public, as Handel did.
god save the king and the monarchy. vive la greece
Robert King's?
@Generalfieldmarshall
No, eight people here seem to have different tastes in music than you and I. And that's perfectly okay.
2:16
@fujianprince As I have already explained, this evidence is indisputable: Bach's contemporaries did think Handel was greater, during his early and middle periods, Beethoven once said "Handel, to him I bow the knee" when asked who he thought was the greatest composer, but what does this prove? it proves that Beethoven and Bach's contemporaries liked Handel. I asked you to draw your conclusions directly from the music and you have done the exact opposite.
Can you even read music?
I was a drum major in high school. Its hard to be a director.
"Enjoy art don't critique it" - that's just another way of telling me to enjoy art without thinking about it. Everyone has every right to critique anything just as they please; whether that critique is intelligent or not is a different matter entirely, but who are you to say that people can or even should not critique art? Who are you to say that we should or should not engage in a particular kind of discourse?
I fail to see how this is disrespectful.
en mi opinion , es una de las mayores obras de la historia de la musica, es una berdadera lastima ke la musica culta se substituyera por la musica que se escucha actualmente
@sstuddert I do not, in any way, disagree with you about Bach's genius. However, you stated that "Bach WAS the greater craftsman" (past tense), instead of "Bach IS the greater craftsman" (present tense). Since your argument involved the PAST tense, it has to be evidenced by an authority from the PAST (eg. Charles Burney, Johann Mattheson, Johann Joachim Quantz, John Stafford Smith, Jean Philippe Rameau, or any Baroque-era historian-theorists).
@sstuddert The comparison you had made earlier was between Mozart and Salieri (contemporaries). And now you insist on Salieri to Schubert (teacher-student)? And I NEVER mentioned Schubert being "completely without talent," why did you make that up yourself?
Fallacy of inconsistent comparison.
@fujianprince You have given me historical evidence but not historical evidence that in any way supports your argument. If you were arguing that Handel had a greater influence on his contemporaries, then the opinions of his contemporaries would be a relevant, but that Handel had more skill than Bach? no, the highest authority in this regard can only be the music itself. The opinions of Bach's contemporaries say more about them then they do about Bach.
prom palace than part at palace ?
Don't tell me I can't force my "opinions" on others, I can see right through it; don't patronise me.
Secondly, I assume it to already be true based on a different criteria, there is no circular reasoning there. I am NOT saying that Bach was the greater composer because people thought otherwise and they must have been wrong because Bach was the greater composer. I am saying that fujianprince's standard, the esteem of the contemporary majority, is an unreasonable criteria in itself EITHER WAY.
@fujianprince
So you weren't able to give me any purely musically based argument.
My reasoning is not based upon the conclusions of any authority, I'm a free thinker - no matter how much 'authority' any individual or groups of individuals have or are perceived to have, I don't just take their word for it.
Be skeptical and consider the argument itself, not the individual who declares it.
Don't let others draw your conclusions for you, reason and draw your conclusions yourself.
@fujianprince A simple evaluation of a composer's music is not subjective if it is based upon a reasoned contemplation of the music (it's merits or lack thereof). Bach was the greater craftsman, you may like Handel more, but that doesn't make a difference.
@stefan1176 vivaldi isnt far behind
se puede hacer mas rápido...
@stefan1176 I disagree with you. Handel is the true master of the Baroque. Stylistically, J.S. Bach is what we may call a "musical science" instead.
fujianprince I HAVE A THOUGHT FOR THE SENSIBLE LISTER. WOT IF WE AD FOUGHT WITH GERMANY INSTEAD OF AGAINST THEM.OPINIONNS ONLY PLEASE
@sstuddert "I asked you to draw your conclusions directly from the music and you have done the exact opposite." How many times do I need to repeat this? Handel wins in theater; Bach wins in church. The Zeitgeist of Baroque period is Opera, not church music. Handel > Bach in their time. I DO NOT deny Bach's mastery in contrapuntal fugues.
"Can you even read music?"
Yes. Otherwise I wouldn't be in the 18th International Congress of the International Musicological Society in Zurich, last 2007.
god save the king and the monarchy
No need for Blue Bloods, All Red Blooded People can Love This Piece
@fujianprince Listen to me, very, VERY carefully: the perceptions of others are subjective; the music itself is an object external to their subjective perception of it. Your argument is balanced upon the wuthering knife edge of relativism. In essence, what you're saying is that, because the majority thought Bach was not the greater composer in his time, he was not. There's a name for that kind of fallacy:
argumentum ad populum.
@fujianprince the Mass in B minor, the St Matthew Passion, the art of fugue are all greater than comparable Handel works. Even if some or all of Bach's missing music was flawed (which is not likely when one considers this man's record), he would still be a greater craftsman than Handle on the account of his survivng compositions alone.
I've never heard this argument before and it's really feeble, worse than the "if Mozart lived longer than Beethoven, Mozart would have become greater" theory.
greece greets you and says
DEMOCRACY IS ALIVE
Go cellos