@@RiverKingsKayak I feel that terror, joy, then proud dad you experience with my 14 yo son on the river, too. I love watching your kiddo progress on your videos.
For sure! One of the advantages of a full displacement hull! All of kayak design can be summed up by a series of compromises. While edgy boats are amazing in many regards, displacement hulls do much better with rock interaction, landing tall drops, staying predictable and in control while paddling slower through tight rapids etc...
The Ledges are a true classic, but after watching your video it reminded me of the beauty and the joy of running the middle so often so many years ago. IMO for a class 2/3 intermediate run its highly underappreciated. Its better then the lower Little River Elbow to Wye, or Elkmont sections. Better then Greenbrier on the Middle Prong of the Little Pigeon. In this part of East TN I don't think many runs in the area (and same class) are better. It is so easily over shadowed by the Ledges most people don't even consider trying it and they are truly missing out. Anytime I would be with someone that was doing a PFD I ALWAYS suggested doing the middle section as an added bonus but most declined for another lap on the upper ledges. I still say they missed out. AND if your here and HAVEN'T run Bald River Falls, you should! Get the full experience.
That was cool to see now I understand that you had the wet suits on here but I still bet that was a cold ride down the river too especially at this time of year now I don't know how to swim myself and I don't think that they make a boat big enough for me anyways cause I'm little over three hundred pounds myself too awesome ride and vedio too
We actually stayed quite warm and comfy until we went too long without eating anything...a body needs fuel to keep warm! That last 30 mins or so was pretty chilly!
Great vid as always! I love seeing the names of the river sections in your videos. Who names them? I cracked up when I saw “Diaper Wiper” was one of them, great name.
Darn. Missed the live feed. Had a cow calving early. Mom and baby are doing just fine. I'm colder than a kayaker upside down in winter though. You do get cold if your standing knee deep in a snow drift with an arm up to the elbow in a cow's business. I'll tell ya. Ranching will keep you fit for kayaking in all seasons. Dang! Only twenty-five hundred points for that roll?! You stingy. Next time add an extra zero or two onto that score. If I were able to get enough time and money together someday to go down there with all of you, would I be able to get a swimmer bell for intentionally dumping in slack water at the takeout, or does it have to be a legit swim?
@@RiverKingsKayak And if you get up this way, do the same. Gore Canyon and Glenwood Canyon beckon! Only problem... I don't have any stickers to hand out. The river that runs through our ranch is one that your entire family would be able to run. The water runs slow there, and the few riffles that are there can't even be called rapids. The water is clear and you can look down into it and see the many trout which live there. If you wish, you could catch some and we'll cook 'em up for supper. They are cutbows, but if you prefer something that tastes like salmon you can catch a few of the large greenback cutthroat trout that live in a lake on our property. The lake is one of only seven left in the United States where pure greenback cutthroat trout still exist, and every year in the spring people from both the Colorado Department of Wildlife and Federal Fish and Game come to take eggs for their hatcheries in a vein effort to re-establish them. Thing is, if they are going to successfully re-establish them they will need to kill off all the rainbow trout in the watershed, and for an assortment of reasons that will never happen. The rainbows which hybridize with them are preferred by many anglers because they get bigger faster. Thing is, when they hybridize with cuts, they don't get as big as either the rainbows or the cuts. So basically what happens is that it gets stuck with a situation where all the big fish are stocked, and it costs a mint to do it. Plus the stockers don't know how to survive in the wild. You can catch them with a cigarette butt tied to a fishhook. The wild born trout are pretty streetwise though, and you've got to be fly fishing and matching whatever is hatching pretty closely or you'll be wasting your time. I've toyed with the idea of getting a gopro to video some of the runs I've been on, but other than from hear on up White River it's pretty much all been covered. Most folks would find a video of paddling the river through our ranch boring, and I doubt anyone would be interested in the creek boating we do above here in the spring. There are better creeks up near Steamboat, and nobody seems to care that no one has claimed a first descent up in the wilderness area (the river below our spread below the county 10 bridge has been run and claimed, quite a few years after my sister and I first ran it). We blitzed that thing from our place down to Meeker in one day back in 1960. I don't remember when the first recorded descent was. I think sometime since 2000 though. No one other than my sister and I and a few of our hands have run it from up in the wilderness area though, and they probably won't because you have to portage up through snow drifts to do it. There are a number off good rapids and boofs, and one nice waterfall which is probably about twice the height of baby falls. The river varies greatly between class II and class V along its length, but it's only high enough to run during the height of the spring runoff. We haven't had much snow this winter, so it might not get runnable at all this year. With climate change the rivers have been getting more and more like that. Thinking back, I remember running the Grand Canyon with my sister back in the 80's when they had to do an emergency release from Glenn Canyon Dam to prevent it from being over topped. The river went from it's normal roughly 300 cfs when we started up to 100,000 cfs in almost no time and with no warning. We had asked before we started out because there had been an exceptionally heavy snowfall that winter, and the White was waaaayyy out of it's banks. My grandfather, who homesteaded our ranch in the early 1900's said he'd never seen it anywhere near that high, and I haven't seen it that high before or since, and since it was that way across the entire western slope we figured we'd better check in with the Department of Reclamation before we set out. They told us they had plenty of capacity. They lied. All the campsites were flooded and all the landmarks were underwater, and my sister and I spent one of the most miserable nights of our lives clinging to the branches of a pinyon tree waiting for it to get light enough to see what was ahead. On the way down we saw lots of wrecked rafts, including the gigantic sliver ones they take tourists down pretty much completely ripped apart and pinned against a cliff wall. We later learned that a lady had died in it. It was one of the tour guides, and the only people who had been in it were other tour guides who had been on a training run when they without warning began releasing the water. The water was so high that even Lava falls was washed out. Truely, I've never been so scared in my life. There were places where it was hard to see a line and all you could do was hug the canyon wall and where the river turned, ferry paddling like hell and praying that you didn't get slammed up against the opposite wall where the water was crashing into it. Really I'm surprised that only one person got killed. I've kayaked Upper Death in Glenwood Canyon many times, and it never scared me like those three days in Grand Canyon did. Everyone who was down there then says the same thing. Anyway, big difference in these drainages between then and now. We'll see what the money situation is this year, and maybe next, and if I'm lucky, maybe I'll see you in your neck of the woods and do some paddling (including for a bell). And remember, the latchstring is always out here too. I don't know, you might find our digs a bit too rustic for your tastes, but if you don't mind that, I'll be glad to put you up and to show you around. We have a lot of good "big water" within an easy drive of here, including many of the best areas on the western slope. You'll need an overnight if you want to run the Arkansas or the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, but I can guide both if you want them, plus we're only a couple of hours from Gore Canyon, Glenwood Canyon, The Yampa, and the best rapids of the Green (the west's Green, not the Green of the Green Race). Dang! I've written a book again!
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Dude, your kid NAILED the must make roll!! Green Machine! Green Machine! Green Machine!!💪💪💪
Thanks a ton Dejan! Def a proud dad moment!
@@RiverKingsKayak I feel that terror, joy, then proud dad you experience with my 14 yo son on the river, too. I love watching your kiddo progress on your videos.
Lol P5 trying so hard not to smile at the end 😄
He loved it though, too obvious to that fact 😊
he he he he
Lots of great content. Thank you!
Thanks chickenpotpie!!
“Lower unknown “ totally worthwhile. Nice line 32:40
Thanks Josh! Was an awesome little exploration!
Awesome video Pete p5 is killing it
Thanks Mark!! He is so fun to watch!
Those rand skirts are tough as hell. I would love to get my boy into kayaking. It's an awesome thing. You're alright Pete.
Thanks a ton chesky!!
55:16 - Edge vs a round hull - I learned something new.... Round hull would have handled that rock better? That was some flip.
For sure! One of the advantages of a full displacement hull! All of kayak design can be summed up by a series of compromises. While edgy boats are amazing in many regards, displacement hulls do much better with rock interaction, landing tall drops, staying predictable and in control while paddling slower through tight rapids etc...
That me Blake 😁
Right on Blake!! was awesome meeting you!!
👋😎👍
50:39 P5 is just killing it. That was such a great roll.
Thanks Jason!
Thanks for another awesome video!❤
Thank you Shorty!! stay warm out there!
The Ledges are a true classic, but after watching your video it reminded me of the beauty and the joy of running the middle so often so many years ago. IMO for a class 2/3 intermediate run its highly underappreciated. Its better then the lower Little River Elbow to Wye, or Elkmont sections. Better then Greenbrier on the Middle Prong of the Little Pigeon. In this part of East TN I don't think many runs in the area (and same class) are better. It is so easily over shadowed by the Ledges most people don't even consider trying it and they are truly missing out. Anytime I would be with someone that was doing a PFD I ALWAYS suggested doing the middle section as an added bonus but most declined for another lap on the upper ledges. I still say they missed out. AND if your here and HAVEN'T run Bald River Falls, you should! Get the full experience.
For sure JWJ! I always bomb the middle when I am there!
That was cool to see now I understand that you had the wet suits on here but I still bet that was a cold ride down the river too especially at this time of year now I don't know how to swim myself and I don't think that they make a boat big enough for me anyways cause I'm little over three hundred pounds myself too awesome ride and vedio too
We actually stayed quite warm and comfy until we went too long without eating anything...a body needs fuel to keep warm! That last 30 mins or so was pretty chilly!
Another awesome video, Pete!
Thank you Govan!
I needed this weeks ago! Diaper Wiper wants my butt every time. 🤣
Right on Ben!
Wonderful video. Loved every breathtaking second! Wow!
Thanks Lynda!!
Love this Pete! Makes miss the heck out of the Tellico
Thanks Jes!!! Lets go!!!
P "No Panic" 5
Thanks B! makes me proud!!!
Hell yea!!! Always an honor running into Pete Beck on the river and I made it in the video this time lol 😝 😉😉#riverkings #riverfam #untilnexttime
Sorry I missed your line at Baby! I was changing a battery! Dang! always at the wrong time!! Next time!! You were killing it out there!
Great video, best action and images. Absolutely sharp and beautiful. Especially liked how you switched between your camera and P5's.
Thank you Michelle! I love watching his footage. It is fun to hear his reactions to things out there...
Another awesome 👌video. Pete thank you for the respect u show for your fellow paddlers and the water your on. Kevin
Thanks Leon!! I try my best!!
I want to do it
Seems way too fun, need to get into this someday.
Go for it!!
Stellar show bro. Trying to level up the fam before we meet you on the river.
Thanks U&A!!
I thought Nirvanas were swim-proof. I think I was lied to.
LOL!!!!
Great vid as always! I love seeing the names of the river sections in your videos. Who names them? I cracked up when I saw “Diaper Wiper” was one of them, great name.
Thanks K!! Such an awesome river! Well thought out rapid names are always so fun. Crybaby, then Baby Falls, then Diaper Wiper! awesome little section!
How?
start simple and work your way up!
Umm I really want to do this what do I need to do?
Get a whitewater kayak and start learning!
Darn. Missed the live feed. Had a cow calving early. Mom and baby are doing just fine. I'm colder than a kayaker upside down in winter though. You do get cold if your standing knee deep in a snow drift with an arm up to the elbow in a cow's business. I'll tell ya. Ranching will keep you fit for kayaking in all seasons.
Dang! Only twenty-five hundred points for that roll?! You stingy. Next time add an extra zero or two onto that score.
If I were able to get enough time and money together someday to go down there with all of you, would I be able to get a swimmer bell for intentionally dumping in slack water at the takeout, or does it have to be a legit swim?
LOL!! You are not the first to say they would swim on purpose for the sticker!! LOL! If you do get down this way, let me know!!
@@RiverKingsKayak And if you get up this way, do the same. Gore Canyon and Glenwood Canyon beckon! Only problem... I don't have any stickers to hand out. The river that runs through our ranch is one that your entire family would be able to run. The water runs slow there, and the few riffles that are there can't even be called rapids. The water is clear and you can look down into it and see the many trout which live there. If you wish, you could catch some and we'll cook 'em up for supper. They are cutbows, but if you prefer something that tastes like salmon you can catch a few of the large greenback cutthroat trout that live in a lake on our property. The lake is one of only seven left in the United States where pure greenback cutthroat trout still exist, and every year in the spring people from both the Colorado Department of Wildlife and Federal Fish and Game come to take eggs for their hatcheries in a vein effort to re-establish them. Thing is, if they are going to successfully re-establish them they will need to kill off all the rainbow trout in the watershed, and for an assortment of reasons that will never happen. The rainbows which hybridize with them are preferred by many anglers because they get bigger faster. Thing is, when they hybridize with cuts, they don't get as big as either the rainbows or the cuts. So basically what happens is that it gets stuck with a situation where all the big fish are stocked, and it costs a mint to do it. Plus the stockers don't know how to survive in the wild. You can catch them with a cigarette butt tied to a fishhook. The wild born trout are pretty streetwise though, and you've got to be fly fishing and matching whatever is hatching pretty closely or you'll be wasting your time.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a gopro to video some of the runs I've been on, but other than from hear on up White River it's pretty much all been covered. Most folks would find a video of paddling the river through our ranch boring, and I doubt anyone would be interested in the creek boating we do above here in the spring. There are better creeks up near Steamboat, and nobody seems to care that no one has claimed a first descent up in the wilderness area (the river below our spread below the county 10 bridge has been run and claimed, quite a few years after my sister and I first ran it). We blitzed that thing from our place down to Meeker in one day back in 1960. I don't remember when the first recorded descent was. I think sometime since 2000 though. No one other than my sister and I and a few of our hands have run it from up in the wilderness area though, and they probably won't because you have to portage up through snow drifts to do it. There are a number off good rapids and boofs, and one nice waterfall which is probably about twice the height of baby falls. The river varies greatly between class II and class V along its length, but it's only high enough to run during the height of the spring runoff. We haven't had much snow this winter, so it might not get runnable at all this year. With climate change the rivers have been getting more and more like that. Thinking back, I remember running the Grand Canyon with my sister back in the 80's when they had to do an emergency release from Glenn Canyon Dam to prevent it from being over topped. The river went from it's normal roughly 300 cfs when we started up to 100,000 cfs in almost no time and with no warning. We had asked before we started out because there had been an exceptionally heavy snowfall that winter, and the White was waaaayyy out of it's banks. My grandfather, who homesteaded our ranch in the early 1900's said he'd never seen it anywhere near that high, and I haven't seen it that high before or since, and since it was that way across the entire western slope we figured we'd better check in with the Department of Reclamation before we set out. They told us they had plenty of capacity. They lied. All the campsites were flooded and all the landmarks were underwater, and my sister and I spent one of the most miserable nights of our lives clinging to the branches of a pinyon tree waiting for it to get light enough to see what was ahead. On the way down we saw lots of wrecked rafts, including the gigantic sliver ones they take tourists down pretty much completely ripped apart and pinned against a cliff wall. We later learned that a lady had died in it. It was one of the tour guides, and the only people who had been in it were other tour guides who had been on a training run when they without warning began releasing the water. The water was so high that even Lava falls was washed out. Truely, I've never been so scared in my life. There were places where it was hard to see a line and all you could do was hug the canyon wall and where the river turned, ferry paddling like hell and praying that you didn't get slammed up against the opposite wall where the water was crashing into it. Really I'm surprised that only one person got killed. I've kayaked Upper Death in Glenwood Canyon many times, and it never scared me like those three days in Grand Canyon did. Everyone who was down there then says the same thing.
Anyway, big difference in these drainages between then and now.
We'll see what the money situation is this year, and maybe next, and if I'm lucky, maybe I'll see you in your neck of the woods and do some paddling (including for a bell). And remember, the latchstring is always out here too. I don't know, you might find our digs a bit too rustic for your tastes, but if you don't mind that, I'll be glad to put you up and to show you around. We have a lot of good "big water" within an easy drive of here, including many of the best areas on the western slope. You'll need an overnight if you want to run the Arkansas or the Black Canyon of the Gunnison, but I can guide both if you want them, plus we're only a couple of hours from Gore Canyon, Glenwood Canyon, The Yampa, and the best rapids of the Green (the west's Green, not the Green of the Green Race). Dang! I've written a book again!