No Vettel and Alonso are both very good drivers. But I think Alonso is a little bit better than Vettel, because he is in difficult situation (fu****g ferari) fast, too. But Vettel has in this season so much like Hungary : SC, then the drift but that wasnt so important, Austria : 1 Lap no power, Monaco: very good start but no power. The same in australia
It's funny to see people say he only won because of his car, but when Hamilton won 4 championships with a WAY more dominant car than the Red Bull, nobody pays attention to that, it's sad of how salty some people are, 2010 and 2012, the car was not too dominant as the Red Bull lacks a bit of reliability.
s1mplytrolling so true Red Bull 2012 was so unreliable and a couple of times people crashed into him especially Brazil that was a man on a mission he destroyed the field
Interestingly enough, Vettel and RB’s dominance was far bigger than Hamilton and Mercedes’. People often forget how Vettel did grand slam weekends a lot during those years, the record breaking 2013 season goes without mentioning.
q7w7e7r7t7y7u7i7o7p Beezy is right. Vettel was allowed to change the setup of the car because he started from the pits. Therefore he went for topspeed (normally grip and lower top speeds, RBs hit the limiter fairly soon always up until the end of 2012), with the downforce still available to the RB doing the rest in the corners.
People's stupid logic: - Vettel wins: "Oh he's bad driver, can't overtake only good car, nothing else" ... then he goes from last place to 3rd and everyone's like: "Oh he is bad only good car, that's why he was 3rd" ... but then when Alonso overtakes 1 man in entire race: " ALONSO IS GOD, he is 10 times better than Vettel, with 5 times worse car" ................. WHATEVER
***** Your right, he had the best car but come on he won 4 championships in a row, meanwhile Webber got like 4th or 5th in the same car. you dont have to say that he is the best driver in the world or anything like that, but he is very good and actually not that old. i mean he is 7 years younger than alonso... and is nearly the same level, when alonso was in vettels age, he was often far away from vettels speed.
MmMmMmMmMmM ♦wtf♦Ⅻ MmMmMmMmMmM Alonso won the championship in 2005 (24 years old when he started season 25 years old when he won title) and 2006 and in 2007 he just missed out as he did in 2010 and 2012. Alonso is probably the best race pace driver in the grid. Only Ricciardo is starring more then Alonso this year.
And the only world champion in the history of F1 , who has won the title in a final 4 way showdown with 4 other world champions on the grid... And fun fact : Hamilton has never won a single title in which he had more than 1 final contender... Hamiltom can't win when there are multiple contenders in the final race , but Vettel can...
Tell me one driver over the last twenty years who became world champion with anything other than the dominant car!! The last IMPRESSIVE champ was Schumacher in 1994 who won the title in the Benetton Ford who only had a V8 engine, Williams and the most other teams a V10!!! The best car is part of a champion because they all can drive fast. Vettel's overtaking here was amazing. Good job. And think of Melbourne 2015! He was the power behind the Mercedes, way faster than Raikkonen and all others! HE IS LEGIT!!!!
Alain Prost won in 1986 without the best car. Ayrton Senna won in 1991 without the best car. Michael Schumacher won in 1995 without the best car. Fernando Alonso won in 2006 without the best car. Lewis Hamilton won in 2008 without the best car. Vettel has never won a championship with anything less than the best car.
The Undisputed I wrote THE LAST impressive champion was Schumi 94'!! The 1995 Benetton with the Renault engine was a real opponent for Williams!! The Renault 2006?? No other car was better this year! Hamilton 2008? What car worked better than McLaren 08? Ferrari? Over the full season? NO! The Mc was also a winner-car! Schumi 94' with a V8 against the V10!! This is history!!!!
Willy Machmer-Walker The underbody part of the Benetton was not correct, true, that's why he was disqualified! The rest was in regulations. To fight V10's with a V8 over a full season and match them!! Outstanding!
windi1982 The pole ratio in 1995 was 12:4 in favor of Williams. I guess that was because Coulthard and Hill were such amazing qualifiers, eh? No, Williams was just the outright best car. In 2006, Ferrari won 9 races to 8 races for Renault. Massa's results were overall better than Fisichella's. Alonso just drove better than Schumi that season. Likewise in 2008, Ferrari won 8 races to only 6 for McLaren. Ferrari had the best car, Hamilton made the difference.
Waow! When I tuned in to watch that race and saw Sebastian in the 20s position, I turned off the TV. But I was so surprised to see him in third after the results were posted. Truly amazing! Great skill, great persistence
Afdhelknight So you're telling me because Vettel has more Championships then Ayrton Senna who had 3 that Vettel is automatically better? Stats dont mean anything, when comparing drivers, skill does and his skill showed when Riccardo outraced him in the same car last season....
Abu Dhabi and Brazil still remain two of Alonso's greatest throws in history. Not being able to beat Raikkonen with a better car in Abu Dhabi and then not being able to win in Brazil despite the car literally being Merc-tier overpowered in the rain will forever stain his legacy, which right now can be summed up in a single phrase: "good, but there was always at least someone out there who was better."
That's Seb, not the car. I've never seen Webber go so much faster than other drivers in the exact same car, while Vettel can do it. Also, you have to remember that he won a race in a Toro Rosso in extremely difficult conditions, something that people forget very often these days. Seb has the best car, you can safely say that, but it's his talent which makes him do all these seemingly impossible things. Before you ask: I'm a Ferrari/Alonso fan.
Every year Vettel's been in formula 1 he seems to be in a league of his own in the last 4-5 races. He seems to step up to the plate and drive better while under pressure, that's how he won the 2010 and 2012 world championships despite trailing the leader for a lot of the season.
I think most people understand that overtaking at the back of the pack was like a shark in a minnow tank. The passing gets more difficult the further up the order you get. This is an elementary concept of racing. Thanks for bringing it up for everyone who is under five years old. Ultimately, you are missing the point. He started from the pit lane, in last place, and finished on the podium. And pitted for a new wing. At the end of the season, the person with the most points deserves the title.
I'm a huge fan of vettel and I've been since his first win .. And I can clearly see ur point, but as I said the future will prove that he's a great driver .. Cheers :)
Alonso and Hamilton are "better" than Vettel? Last 5 years (2009-Present) Vettel - 60 podiums, 37 wins and 43 poles Alonso - 42 podiums, 11 wins and 5 poles Hamilton - 32 podiums, 13 wins and 18 poles Vettel has 13 MORE GP wins than Alonso and Hamilton COMBINED in the last 5 years and 20 more pole positions than both of them COMBINED as well. This alone illustrates that Vettel is in a completely different category. Numbers do not lie. Historically the best driver with the best car dominates. That is not to say that the best drive always has the best car. If we put the best car over the past 5 years into the hands of say, Jensen Button there is no mathematical probability that he could have achieved anything close to similar results. The only way that is mathematically possible is if there was a VAST difference in performance and speed between their two cars consistently over the past 5 years in every race. Such a vast difference does not exist. Analysis: The skeptics say the "car" is why Vettel wins and not his driving ability. There is no way to calculate any type of mock statistic here but we can hypothetically swap Hamilton and Vettel into each others cars for the past five years. We cannot use Alonso because he has the "second best car" within the last five years given his results and therefore it would be illogical that Vettel's car and not his driving ability is again vastly superior to his closest competition. In this hypothetical scenario Vettel had been driving Hamilton's cars for the pest 5 years - however only with McLaren as the Mercedes transition and car issues are too difficult to figure in. For the sake of argument let's remove HALF of Vettel's achievements over the past 5 years. That is already far more generous seeing as his car is not "twice as good" as his closest competitor nor that of Hamilton's McLaren. This puts Vettel with roughly 30 podiums, 19 wins and 22 poles. Although this a mock scenario we can see that Vettel's numbers are on par with Hamilton over the course of five years when slashing his results in half and putting him in the hypothetical third best car. If you continue to break down the numbers and facts you reach a core question: Why is Vettel 2x higher than his closest competition? His car is clearly not 2x faster. Faster car? Look at this from a logical stance and nothing more. Take the top 5 drivers and put them all in Vettel's car for GP qualification. Pretend in all 5 examples each of the drivers set the best lap and attains pole position. Imagine a mock race with 4 overlays on the screen. Vettel is P1 but the second overlay is a ghost image of Alonso in P1 and so on. On the ghost overlays you have the normal drives in their poled positions. For example if Alonso in his own car has P9 then he is P9 in every layer except the layer where he is P1. Got it? The race begins and P1 moves slightly ahead.. but here is the problem with this.. Alonso and Webber tend not to have the best starts so either of them might be overtaken by P2 or P3 into turn one. If you try writing this out by yourselves.. lap by lap (skip around), how many scenarios can you play out where P1 is 32.6+ seconds ahead of P2 and 53.1+ seconds ahead of P5? I am not talking about racing ability and variables here.. just pure math and logic alone. A potentially slightly faster car beating P2 by 32.6 seconds in a GP (2013 Singapore)? To be technically correct Rosberg started in P2 for grid - P1 beat original P2 by a spread of 51.1 seconds. Rosberg might have encountered various delays and it is a testament to Alonso going from P7 to 2nd. Sorry for how long this is! All intellectual replies are welcomed. Try to keep it calm and use only facts and not personal opinions. Basing your opinions off of hard facts are fine :)
Facts? okay how abut the fact that when red bull was given a situation where mercedes, lotus and ferrari were as quick earlier this season, all they did was winge and cry and say "we want new tyres", that ruined this years racing
Raj Ravichandran Where is your point here? Thanks for actually reading my book though lol. I recall that earlier in the year many teams were basically boycotting Pirelli and demanding changes because there were serious issues during one or two races.. I believe this was right before Monza. We can cite numerous teams making heavy public complaints about tires during the season so is it far fetched to come to a potential conclusion that Red Bull was also having tire issues? I also wonder (and this is an open question) if Red Bull's tire issue were slowing them down and therefore other teams were just as quick because of the differential or were those 3 other teams somehow able to manipulate their cars over whatever course of time and suddenly we have 4 teams having the fastest cars on the track at the same time? If the latter were actually true we would have seen this throughout the past few seasons. If the latter were true it would mean each of the races where the 4 teams are "as quick" would result in theoretical photo finish races where the separation is within a few seconds at best. To analyze your comment - other cars=as fast, red bull complains = season sucks. This seems like a very closed minded and biased view you are throwing at me. Tire issues were a giant highlight of this season for all teams.
pablouvedoble I have deleted your disrespectful post. Senna died at the peak of his career and everyone says he would have went on to become the best racer in F1 history due to the numbers he was going to post. The path he was on showed that he was going to potentially break all of the records. More importantly Senna's pure racing style was mind blowing and changed the history of F1. Schumacher himself declares that Senna is the best racer of all time. To come here and say that since the numbers alone indicate Schumacher was better than Senna on paper just to try and prove me wrong is extremely disrespectful to the memory of Senna, to F1, to the people here and most importantly to yourself. We simply speculate that Senna would have went down as the best in history and with great respect for his legacy we all simply bow down and grant him the title of GOAT and I join the millions around the world in doing so. Never use the shortened life of Senna to try and prove a point against me.
Obviously the Red Bull car is not twice as good as the others, what do you expect the other cars to be setting lap times double the amount of Red Bull's? The car doesn't need to be double as good as others, it doesn't really matter whether it's 10,5 or even 1 second a lap faster any decent driver would be able to win in that car. So for you to say halving Vettel's achievements is a more than fair way to compare him to Alonso and Hamilton is stupid, it really is. There is no exact percentage you can take off Vettel's stats to make a fair comparison, it just doesn't work. Also it's quite clear that Alonso hasn't had the 2nd best car over the last 5 years. Overall in a whole season he has only had the 3rd best car at best. Senna R.I.P real shame what happened to him! However you try and use stats to back up you're claim about Vettel being great and then when the stats are not in you're favour with Senna you just magically make them up and assume he would have got them which is nonsense. Senna was a bit of a cheat tbh and not the greatest sportsman of all time. He cheated Prost out of a title and that's the bottom line. I see comparisons between Senna and Schumacher but the only difference is Senna never gets called out for the BS that he done. Also there is no guarantee Senna would have even won another world title and he probably should only have had 2 heading into the 94 season. This ain't disrespectful, it's just the truth.
He has battled. Most notably in Spain 2011, Monza 2011, through the start of 2012 with a car he wasn't happy with, in Abu Dhabi and Brazil to get to the front from ending up at the back, and all through this year. He's doing some of his best, most aggressive driving this year. People who say he's had it all easy and hasn't to fight are kidding themselves. You don't get into F1 and into a top seat by luck or fortune.
just like the last race (spain/2014). he got 4th place and started from 15... in the race he even was at 21 cause of the 3-stop-strategy. just an awesome driver. i love him :D hope he is back in shape now and gets comfortable with the new car. but if vettel doesnt win this year, i hope nico will do it. :D germany for the win. liebe grüße aus deutschland :)
I actually love how suborn you are! The reason he doesn't start from the back every race is because there isn't a guarantee of having multiple safety cars to help also it is much harder to drive usually because most teams tend to pit once less in that situation which forces a driver to focus and preserve on his tyres . And I see you commented on the video of the SSC Ultimate Aero. The Body of that car is fiberglass. The ssc ultimate Aero TT is the one with carbon and titanium.
Honestly his car looked as a starship among the others so,put apart mere entertainment,I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about this specific performance.I also agree about his weakness under pressure,getting a bit too daring when strictly chased,possibly lacking in a full mastering of his nerves. At the same time we should admire this guy,still so young,being able to get the leadership in his team since his earliest steps in F1,driving a winning car with minor mistakes for three seasons to the WCT.
Yas Marina is one hell of a track! Straights to extremely hard braking. Hairpins to top it off. Trying to go this November if not this year, next year it will be.
The fact is he will be one of the best drivers ever in the sport... As much as people will love and hate him, at the end of the day he has been the best for 3 years straight. And yes he has a great car, but he also has a team mate driving the same car who has never finished the driver's championship better than 3rd. People love to bring down the people that rise above so its no surprise there is Vettel hate :P Even though I know Vettel will win this year, Go Kimi!
With respect - how can you possibly say he hasn't done anything special in F1? He's breaking world records here, there and everywhere, he's a qualifying master, he's more consistent than anyone and still improving, and hasn't taken himself out of a race due to a mistake since Turkey 2010 - three years! He may have a good car, but so do people like Grosjean, Webber and Massa. What have they achieved? Please, give Vettel some credit. What he has achieved should not be overlooked.
This is much more a display of how good a team RBR is than of an individual performance. For that you really do have to look at, for example, how moving up such a great number of places was executed rather than staring blindly at the results.
A lot of people keep saying the car this year "doesn't suit Vettle's style". That is a understandable argument, but part of F1 is adapting to what ever car you are in. If Riccardo can adapt better to different cars than he deserves three wins and countless number of fantastic drives this season. Year by year cars change and In my opinion adapting to the car is just as important as just being fast in the right conditions(Reb Bull 2010-2013). Vettle is a great driver in my opinion, but I do believe he is over rated and Hamilton and Alonso show the most talent and consistency in ANY car year after year. I know I just started a shit storm with Vettle fans or Lewis haters :/
He's actually a good underdog performer. 2010 abu dhabi, 2012 abu dhabi, 2012 brazil. When he has a handful of points to spare though, he's more defensive and uncomfortable, leading to mistakes.
I really like reading haters' comments on vettel's videos, lets get a recap: Vettel has 3 championships, 30 victories, 53 podiums, 39 poles and 18 fastests laps. all of that in 111 starts. Also win in an inferior car in 2008 and amazing performances in Abu Dhabi and Brazil 2012, with Britain 2010. Alonso has 2 championships, last won in 2006, 32 victories, 92 podiums, 22 poles and 20 fastest laps. Also plentiful of "Fernando is faster than you" and "we need to hope", bunch of excuses.
Apparently, Schumacher's Benetton had a "razor thin" sweet spot which made it extremely difficult to drive. Well 9 wins and the total decimation of Hill in a Newey designed car speaks volume for the sheer brilliance of Michael Schumacher. The best was yet to come. Senna once spoke of going to Ferrari when his best days were over. Schumacher went to Ferrari and rewrote history!
Overtook HRT's, Marussia's, Caterhams, both Williams, Di Resta Grosjean and Ricciardo. Verne and Schumacher let him pass and Rosberg, Hamilton, Grosjean, Perez, Webber and Massa crashed(wich mostly drive in top 10 during a GP). Then made a awesome overtake on Button. But the RedBull team helping him by changing Webber's strategy and bringing him in way earlier, and the 2nd SC is what brought him on the podium, normally a race driver dont gets this amount of luck in 1 single GP.. but fun to watch
What I remember is that it took him about 3 laps to damage his front wing wich he could replace after a incident with toro rosso during the safetycar, wich killed his tire strategy, so was forced to a 1 stop, and after everyone did their 2nd stop wich gave Vettel 2nd place, a magical 2nd safetycar came and give him a free pitstop and could close up behind Button with new tires who was 20 seconds infront of him before SC.. But those moves on Marussia and HRT and Grosjean were incredible
only one question to all vettel haters : why you hate him... he never said bad things about someone, he never did something like alonso in his hungarypitstop(in q3)2007, his team radios after a race are sometimes funny (like yabadabahdu ringdingedingdingding in barcelona 2011). the only reason i think why you hate him, is because he is successfull. so in 2009 no one really hated him (maybe a few) in monza 2008 all celebrated him but now everyone forget that
Fannnboyyy :DD I don't mind Vettel and I know he's a great driver but I'm gonna be honest, when his gearbox broke in Silverstone I was kinda happy to see another driver win. Webber drove an amazing race too. P.S. Kimi's the best :DD
The only overtakes he had to fight for were against Grosjean and Button, because they were the only ones who had cars (McLaren & Lotus) able to complete with Red Bull.
Clearly the car was so much faster enabling him to overtake so easily. Anybody could have. Not taking anything away from Vettel. He is a great driver, no doubt, but some other drivers are greater like Hamilton or Alonso.
My judgment is based on what he shown so far compared to the others drivers. I am more than willing to see what more he can do. If you are right it would be great for F1 and for you too as you seem a fan
This race showed very much about Vettel as a race driver. Damn fast, brave and a real fighter. But also that he feels very uncomfortable when racing for the world championship.
omg I still cant believe vettel overtook jenson button... man I mean 4th place is good enough... I mean if he would of crashed button, he would of lost all those points and all the hardwork he did to overtake... and also possibly a grid penalty for the next race... damn vettel is ballsy... he even sprayed the fruit cider on coulthard and cussed on the podium celebration... Man wat about the crazy overtakes in brazil... vettel may have ag ood card but hes ag ood driver
i would agree. at the minute having the best car for the last few years he hasn't had the chance to prove his worth by winning in a slower car. i think he has the potential to do it but like you said will come in a few seasons
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2012 was an awesome year! Lotus, Ferrari, McLaren and Redbull all were on their A game. What an awesome year it was.
***** Indeed. And 7 or 8 different winners in the first part of the championship, one of those being Maldonado lol.
Crazy season.
+Forgotten Mustard I have to give him credit since he got pole at qualifying.
Vettel is one of the best drivers in the world.
It´s posible but Alonso is better than Vettel
No , no he isn't :D
vettel is the best...hahahahahahahahahahhah good joke
No Vettel and Alonso are both very good drivers. But I think Alonso is a little bit better than Vettel, because he is in difficult situation (fu****g ferari) fast, too. But Vettel has in this season so much like Hungary : SC, then the drift but that wasnt so important, Austria : 1 Lap no power, Monaco: very good start but no power. The same in australia
i think the same
It's funny to see people say he only won because of his car, but when Hamilton won 4 championships with a WAY more dominant car than the Red Bull, nobody pays attention to that, it's sad of how salty some people are, 2010 and 2012, the car was not too dominant as the Red Bull lacks a bit of reliability.
s1mplytrolling so true Red Bull 2012 was so unreliable and a couple of times people crashed into him especially Brazil that was a man on a mission he destroyed the field
Interestingly enough, Vettel and RB’s dominance was far bigger than Hamilton and Mercedes’. People often forget how Vettel did grand slam weekends a lot during those years, the record breaking 2013 season goes without mentioning.
@@rtide EGHM 2014 (merc won every race but 3) and 2016 (merc won every race but 2) where far more dominant by merc then any RB years.
@@adamix1010 he said vettel not rb
Yh but people really do hate Hamilton’s many merc championships it is very boring
And there always will be people who will say that Vettel cant drive and overtake lol !
he clearly has the superior car
Mc Beezy lol ok....
q7w7e7r7t7y7u7i7o7p Beezy is right. Vettel was allowed to change the setup of the car because he started from the pits. Therefore he went for topspeed (normally grip and lower top speeds, RBs hit the limiter fairly soon always up until the end of 2012), with the downforce still available to the RB doing the rest in the corners.
he crnt thats why
RENO RENS Rrrrrrrrright. Now turn off your Playstation and let the real men talk boy.
People's stupid logic: - Vettel wins: "Oh he's bad driver, can't overtake only good car, nothing else" ... then he goes from last place to 3rd and everyone's like: "Oh he is bad only good car, that's why he was 3rd" ... but then when Alonso overtakes 1 man in entire race: " ALONSO IS GOD, he is 10 times better than Vettel, with 5 times worse car" ................. WHATEVER
*****
Your right, he had the best car but come on he won 4 championships in a row, meanwhile Webber got like 4th or 5th in the same car. you dont have to say that he is the best driver in the world or anything like that, but he is very good and actually not that old. i mean he is 7 years younger than alonso... and is nearly the same level, when alonso was in vettels age, he was often far away from vettels speed.
Well, it seems that you finally understood it...
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Alonso won the championship in 2005 (24 years old when he started season 25 years old when he won title) and 2006 and in 2007 he just missed out as he did in 2010 and 2012. Alonso is probably the best race pace driver in the grid. Only Ricciardo is starring more then Alonso this year.
Nissangtr786 Shut the fuck up , you arrogant little hater . Just enjoy this beautiful sport . Your'ruining it with your stupid misconceptions .
jrstudio Alonso is overrated..
Got to love that attitude he shows on the radio. Never lift. The attitude of a winner and a great driver
And the only world champion in the history of F1 , who has won the title in a final 4 way showdown with 4 other world champions on the grid...
And fun fact : Hamilton has never won a single title in which he had more than 1 final contender...
Hamiltom can't win when there are multiple contenders in the final race , but Vettel can...
Tell me one driver over the last twenty years who became world champion with anything other than the dominant car!! The last IMPRESSIVE champ was Schumacher in 1994 who won the title in the Benetton Ford who only had a V8 engine, Williams and the most other teams a V10!!! The best car is part of a champion because they all can drive fast. Vettel's overtaking here was amazing. Good job.
And think of Melbourne 2015! He was the power behind the Mercedes, way faster than Raikkonen and all others! HE IS LEGIT!!!!
To be fair the '94 benetton was completely against regulations
Alain Prost won in 1986 without the best car.
Ayrton Senna won in 1991 without the best car.
Michael Schumacher won in 1995 without the best car.
Fernando Alonso won in 2006 without the best car.
Lewis Hamilton won in 2008 without the best car.
Vettel has never won a championship with anything less than the best car.
The Undisputed
I wrote THE LAST impressive champion was Schumi 94'!!
The 1995 Benetton with the Renault engine was a real opponent for Williams!!
The Renault 2006?? No other car was better this year!
Hamilton 2008? What car worked better than McLaren 08? Ferrari? Over the full season? NO! The Mc was also a winner-car!
Schumi 94' with a V8 against the V10!! This is history!!!!
Willy Machmer-Walker
The underbody part of the Benetton was not correct, true, that's why he was disqualified! The rest was in regulations. To fight V10's with a V8 over a full season and match them!! Outstanding!
windi1982
The pole ratio in 1995 was 12:4 in favor of Williams. I guess that was because Coulthard and Hill were such amazing qualifiers, eh? No, Williams was just the outright best car.
In 2006, Ferrari won 9 races to 8 races for Renault. Massa's results were overall better than Fisichella's. Alonso just drove better than Schumi that season.
Likewise in 2008, Ferrari won 8 races to only 6 for McLaren. Ferrari had the best car, Hamilton made the difference.
he makes it look easy
I love vettel as a fan, very happy to see this thank you so much man
Waow! When I tuned in to watch that race and saw Sebastian in the 20s position, I turned off the TV. But I was so surprised to see him in third after the results were posted. Truly amazing! Great skill, great persistence
and so much hate on vettel. Vettel and alonso are the best FACT. but also the FACT is vettel has more championships. haters can say whatever
Afdhelknight So you're telling me because Vettel has more Championships then Ayrton Senna who had 3 that Vettel is automatically better? Stats dont mean anything, when comparing drivers, skill does and his skill showed when Riccardo outraced him in the same car last season....
Alonso is better 🙂
Little late but....
@@TheAventadorSV By that , Daniil kvyat is better than Ricciardo too...
Here i am after Vettel won the literal overtake award even though ppl say he can't overtake
Abu Dhabi and Brazil still remain two of Alonso's greatest throws in history. Not being able to beat Raikkonen with a better car in Abu Dhabi and then not being able to win in Brazil despite the car literally being Merc-tier overpowered in the rain will forever stain his legacy, which right now can be summed up in a single phrase: "good, but there was always at least someone out there who was better."
Back then those cars were equal. The ferrari was nowhere near as good as it seemed
@@kas_3126Cars equal in F1? Lol.
Thanks for the upload it still even looks good jaja
thx 4 uploading :P
Great overtakes vettel!
VETTEL
what a great performance to come from last to third great effort Vettel
That's Seb, not the car. I've never seen Webber go so much faster than other drivers in the exact same car, while Vettel can do it. Also, you have to remember that he won a race in a Toro Rosso in extremely difficult conditions, something that people forget very often these days. Seb has the best car, you can safely say that, but it's his talent which makes him do all these seemingly impossible things.
Before you ask: I'm a Ferrari/Alonso fan.
thank you. finally someone understands it
Every year Vettel's been in formula 1 he seems to be in a league of his own in the last 4-5 races. He seems to step up to the plate and drive better while under pressure, that's how he won the 2010 and 2012 world championships despite trailing the leader for a lot of the season.
Was good fun to see too.
gr8 stuff didnt know untill the end that you where filming your tv :D
LEGEND
FORZA SEB E KIMI
I think most people understand that overtaking at the back of the pack was like a shark in a minnow tank. The passing gets more difficult the further up the order you get. This is an elementary concept of racing. Thanks for bringing it up for everyone who is under five years old.
Ultimately, you are missing the point. He started from the pit lane, in last place, and finished on the podium. And pitted for a new wing.
At the end of the season, the person with the most points deserves the title.
Simply the best
I'm a huge fan of vettel and I've been since his first win .. And I can clearly see ur point, but as I said the future will prove that he's a great driver .. Cheers :)
LOL all the self professed experts will say he had the car which made these overtakes like taking candy from a baby with handcuffs on!
supercooled A bit like Hamilton now hey.
+supercooled He did.
One of my fave races
EPIC!!!!! Great seppi
Definitely one of the top drives from Vettel. Then he topped it later in Brazil shortly after.
Alonso and Hamilton are "better" than Vettel?
Last 5 years (2009-Present)
Vettel - 60 podiums, 37 wins and 43 poles
Alonso - 42 podiums, 11 wins and 5 poles
Hamilton - 32 podiums, 13 wins and 18 poles
Vettel has 13 MORE GP wins than Alonso and Hamilton COMBINED in the last 5 years and 20 more pole positions than both of them COMBINED as well. This alone illustrates that Vettel is in a completely different category. Numbers do not lie.
Historically the best driver with the best car dominates. That is not to say that the best drive always has the best car. If we put the best car over the past 5 years into the hands of say, Jensen Button there is no mathematical probability that he could have achieved anything close to similar results. The only way that is mathematically possible is if there was a VAST difference in performance and speed between their two cars consistently over the past 5 years in every race. Such a vast difference does not exist.
Analysis: The skeptics say the "car" is why Vettel wins and not his driving ability. There is no way to calculate any type of mock statistic here but we can hypothetically swap Hamilton and Vettel into each others cars for the past five years. We cannot use Alonso because he has the "second best car" within the last five years given his results and therefore it would be illogical that Vettel's car and not his driving ability is again vastly superior to his closest competition. In this hypothetical scenario Vettel had been driving Hamilton's cars for the pest 5 years - however only with McLaren as the Mercedes transition and car issues are too difficult to figure in. For the sake of argument let's remove HALF of Vettel's achievements over the past 5 years. That is already far more generous seeing as his car is not "twice as good" as his closest competitor nor that of Hamilton's McLaren. This puts Vettel with roughly 30 podiums, 19 wins and 22 poles. Although this a mock scenario we can see that Vettel's numbers are on par with Hamilton over the course of five years when slashing his results in half and putting him in the hypothetical third best car.
If you continue to break down the numbers and facts you reach a core question: Why is Vettel 2x higher than his closest competition? His car is clearly not 2x faster.
Faster car? Look at this from a logical stance and nothing more. Take the top 5 drivers and put them all in Vettel's car for GP qualification. Pretend in all 5 examples each of the drivers set the best lap and attains pole position. Imagine a mock race with 4 overlays on the screen. Vettel is P1 but the second overlay is a ghost image of Alonso in P1 and so on. On the ghost overlays you have the normal drives in their poled positions. For example if Alonso in his own car has P9 then he is P9 in every layer except the layer where he is P1. Got it? The race begins and P1 moves slightly ahead.. but here is the problem with this.. Alonso and Webber tend not to have the best starts so either of them might be overtaken by P2 or P3 into turn one. If you try writing this out by yourselves.. lap by lap (skip around), how many scenarios can you play out where P1 is 32.6+ seconds ahead of P2 and 53.1+ seconds ahead of P5?
I am not talking about racing ability and variables here.. just pure math and logic alone. A potentially slightly faster car beating P2 by 32.6 seconds in a GP (2013 Singapore)? To be technically correct Rosberg started in P2 for grid - P1 beat original P2 by a spread of 51.1 seconds. Rosberg might have encountered various delays and it is a testament to Alonso going from P7 to 2nd.
Sorry for how long this is! All intellectual replies are welcomed. Try to keep it calm and use only facts and not personal opinions. Basing your opinions off of hard facts are fine :)
Facts? okay how abut the fact that when red bull was given a situation where mercedes, lotus and ferrari were as quick earlier this season, all they did was winge and cry and say "we want new tyres", that ruined this years racing
Raj Ravichandran Where is your point here? Thanks for actually reading my book though lol. I recall that earlier in the year many teams were basically boycotting Pirelli and demanding changes because there were serious issues during one or two races.. I believe this was right before Monza. We can cite numerous teams making heavy public complaints about tires during the season so is it far fetched to come to a potential conclusion that Red Bull was also having tire issues? I also wonder (and this is an open question) if Red Bull's tire issue were slowing them down and therefore other teams were just as quick because of the differential or were those 3 other teams somehow able to manipulate their cars over whatever course of time and suddenly we have 4 teams having the fastest cars on the track at the same time? If the latter were actually true we would have seen this throughout the past few seasons. If the latter were true it would mean each of the races where the 4 teams are "as quick" would result in theoretical photo finish races where the separation is within a few seconds at best. To analyze your comment - other cars=as fast, red bull complains = season sucks. This seems like a very closed minded and biased view you are throwing at me. Tire issues were a giant highlight of this season for all teams.
pablouvedoble exactly, sir sterling moss has no titles that doesn't mean he's as bad as luca badoer
pablouvedoble I have deleted your disrespectful post. Senna died at the peak of his career and everyone says he would have went on to become the best racer in F1 history due to the numbers he was going to post. The path he was on showed that he was going to potentially break all of the records. More importantly Senna's pure racing style was mind blowing and changed the history of F1. Schumacher himself declares that Senna is the best racer of all time. To come here and say that since the numbers alone indicate Schumacher was better than Senna on paper just to try and prove me wrong is extremely disrespectful to the memory of Senna, to F1, to the people here and most importantly to yourself. We simply speculate that Senna would have went down as the best in history and with great respect for his legacy we all simply bow down and grant him the title of GOAT and I join the millions around the world in doing so. Never use the shortened life of Senna to try and prove a point against me.
Obviously the Red Bull car is not twice as good as the others, what do you expect the other cars to be setting lap times double the amount of Red Bull's? The car doesn't need to be double as good as others, it doesn't really matter whether it's 10,5 or even 1 second a lap faster any decent driver would be able to win in that car. So for you to say halving Vettel's achievements is a more than fair way to compare him to Alonso and Hamilton is stupid, it really is. There is no exact percentage you can take off Vettel's stats to make a fair comparison, it just doesn't work. Also it's quite clear that Alonso hasn't had the 2nd best car over the last 5 years. Overall in a whole season he has only had the 3rd best car at best.
Senna R.I.P real shame what happened to him! However you try and use stats to back up you're claim about Vettel being great and then when the stats are not in you're favour with Senna you just magically make them up and assume he would have got them which is nonsense. Senna was a bit of a cheat tbh and not the greatest sportsman of all time. He cheated Prost out of a title and that's the bottom line. I see comparisons between Senna and Schumacher but the only difference is Senna never gets called out for the BS that he done. Also there is no guarantee Senna would have even won another world title and he probably should only have had 2 heading into the 94 season. This ain't disrespectful, it's just the truth.
fair point
Who watching this during the 2019 season
Woow he overtakes in straight line, awesome. the drs killing the skill
He has battled. Most notably in Spain 2011, Monza 2011, through the start of 2012 with a car he wasn't happy with, in Abu Dhabi and Brazil to get to the front from ending up at the back, and all through this year. He's doing some of his best, most aggressive driving this year. People who say he's had it all easy and hasn't to fight are kidding themselves. You don't get into F1 and into a top seat by luck or fortune.
just like the last race (spain/2014). he got 4th place and started from 15... in the race he even was at 21 cause of the 3-stop-strategy. just an awesome driver. i love him :D hope he is back in shape now and gets comfortable with the new car. but if vettel doesnt win this year, i hope nico will do it. :D germany for the win. liebe grüße aus deutschland :)
Dont get me wrong. Ive always been that alonso, massa, and hamilton guy, but you cant deny talent.
I actually love how suborn you are! The reason he doesn't start from the back every race is because there isn't a guarantee of having multiple safety cars to help also it is much harder to drive usually because most teams tend to pit once less in that situation which forces a driver to focus and preserve on his tyres . And I see you commented on the video of the SSC Ultimate Aero. The Body of that car is fiberglass. The ssc ultimate Aero TT is the one with carbon and titanium.
anyone saying Seb can only drive well when he starts in front has been proven wrong.
Honestly his car looked as a starship among the others so,put apart mere entertainment,I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about this specific performance.I also agree about his weakness under pressure,getting a bit too daring when strictly chased,possibly lacking in a full mastering of his nerves.
At the same time we should admire this guy,still so young,being able to get the leadership in his team since his earliest steps in F1,driving a winning car
with minor mistakes for three seasons to the WCT.
Great skills vettel
Easily this is Vettel's top 3 drive of his career. Really a drive that more or less solidified his 3rd championship win that year...
What a beast
Yas Marina is one hell of a track! Straights to extremely hard braking. Hairpins to top it off. Trying to go this November if not this year, next year it will be.
The fact is he will be one of the best drivers ever in the sport... As much as people will love and hate him, at the end of the day he has been the best for 3 years straight. And yes he has a great car, but he also has a team mate driving the same car who has never finished the driver's championship better than 3rd. People love to bring down the people that rise above so its no surprise there is Vettel hate :P Even though I know Vettel will win this year, Go Kimi!
Even if you dislike Vettel and RBR, you've got to have massive respect for them.
With respect - how can you possibly say he hasn't done anything special in F1? He's breaking world records here, there and everywhere, he's a qualifying master, he's more consistent than anyone and still improving, and hasn't taken himself out of a race due to a mistake since Turkey 2010 - three years! He may have a good car, but so do people like Grosjean, Webber and Massa. What have they achieved? Please, give Vettel some credit. What he has achieved should not be overlooked.
This is much more a display of how good a team RBR is than of an individual performance. For that you really do have to look at, for example, how moving up such a great number of places was executed rather than staring blindly at the results.
A lot of people keep saying the car this year "doesn't suit Vettle's style". That is a understandable argument, but part of F1 is adapting to what ever car you are in. If Riccardo can adapt better to different cars than he deserves three wins and countless number of fantastic drives this season. Year by year cars change and In my opinion adapting to the car is just as important as just being fast in the right conditions(Reb Bull 2010-2013). Vettle is a great driver in my opinion, but I do believe he is over rated and Hamilton and Alonso show the most talent and consistency in ANY car year after year. I know I just started a shit storm with Vettle fans or Lewis haters :/
One of best car ever made
LOVE YOU VETTEL BABY #NEVERLIFT
He's actually a good underdog performer. 2010 abu dhabi, 2012 abu dhabi, 2012 brazil. When he has a handful of points to spare though, he's more defensive and uncomfortable, leading to mistakes.
Yeah ( and as Bono once said) what a show.....
Can't believe Vettel is reiting in 2022!!!
I couldn't agree more +1
vettel u rock man i knw tht u will win the championship
you all can say whatever you want
Button is a champion and he said it, That move was outstanding
I really like reading haters' comments on vettel's videos, lets get a recap:
Vettel has 3 championships, 30 victories, 53 podiums, 39 poles and 18 fastests laps. all of that in 111 starts. Also win in an inferior car in 2008 and amazing performances in Abu Dhabi and Brazil 2012, with Britain 2010.
Alonso has 2 championships, last won in 2006, 32 victories, 92 podiums, 22 poles and 20 fastest laps. Also plentiful of "Fernando is faster than you" and "we need to hope", bunch of excuses.
Love how he waves at Schumi when he passes him :D ^^
That race was just legendary for Vettel, how many overtakes did he do?
This is what a championship winning drive looks like (hopefully we'll say the same of canada this year) NB was rooting for alonso that year
insane
RIP Formula One!
this is how driver wins a championships... best f1 driver rn
Best race ever.
Apparently, Schumacher's Benetton had a "razor thin" sweet spot which made it extremely difficult to drive. Well 9 wins and the total decimation of Hill in a Newey designed car speaks volume for the sheer brilliance of Michael Schumacher. The best was yet to come. Senna once spoke of going to Ferrari when his best days were over. Schumacher went to Ferrari and rewrote history!
his car is a winning machine
Vettel FTW!!
Overtook HRT's, Marussia's, Caterhams, both Williams, Di Resta Grosjean and Ricciardo.
Verne and Schumacher let him pass and Rosberg, Hamilton, Grosjean, Perez, Webber and Massa crashed(wich mostly drive in top 10 during a GP).
Then made a awesome overtake on Button.
But the RedBull team helping him by changing Webber's strategy and bringing him in way earlier, and the 2nd SC is what brought him on the podium, normally a race driver dont gets this amount of luck in 1 single GP.. but fun to watch
Say what you like, but that man knows how to drive and that team knows how to make a car! That last overtake on Button was fucking incredible. 0.o
i think alonso overall derserved the title but the move in 3:43 is one of the best moves ive ever seen
Spirit
The face of Alonso was poem, it was like “How the fuck did he do it?” But it’s Vettel. The German lived to beat the Spaniard ass.
What I remember is that it took him about 3 laps to damage his front wing wich he could replace after a incident with toro rosso during the safetycar, wich killed his tire strategy, so was forced to a 1 stop, and after everyone did their 2nd stop wich gave Vettel 2nd place, a magical 2nd safetycar came and give him a free pitstop and could close up behind Button with new tires who was 20 seconds infront of him before SC..
But those moves on Marussia and HRT and Grosjean were incredible
It has been very sad for me to see Vettel throw away 2018 championship
only one question to all vettel haters : why you hate him... he never said bad things about someone, he never did something like alonso in his hungarypitstop(in q3)2007, his team radios after a race are sometimes funny (like yabadabahdu ringdingedingdingding in barcelona 2011). the only reason i think why you hate him, is because he is successfull. so in 2009 no one really hated him (maybe a few) in monza 2008 all celebrated him but now everyone forget that
I'm not a Vettel fan, but damn, this was some skillful driving.
This is from ''Formula One FIA Official 2012 Review Blu-Ray''
Mistä ostit?
let's see how well he does this season...........
Vettel did a great job overtaking Caterham,HRT and Marrussia...
Best drive for vettel brazil 2012
Fannnboyyy :DD I don't mind Vettel and I know he's a great driver but I'm gonna be honest, when his gearbox broke in Silverstone I was kinda happy to see another driver win. Webber drove an amazing race too. P.S. Kimi's the best :DD
Thass muh boi
Best car, best driver, 4time world champions. So simple
The only overtakes he had to fight for were against Grosjean and Button, because they were the only ones who had cars (McLaren & Lotus) able to complete with Red Bull.
Vettel went from 24th to 2nd to last again and then back to 3rd. Kimi went from 17th to 1st. I don't know about you, but that is quite a difference.
KIMI
Clearly the car was so much faster enabling him to overtake so easily. Anybody could have.
Not taking anything away from Vettel. He is a great driver, no doubt, but some other drivers are greater like Hamilton or Alonso.
Vettel=GOAT
I never knew that Berger said that. If you read articles and look at the stats, they say otherwise
I want to see modern racers driver Senna's 1988 MP4 in Monaco and see what kind of times they get.
My judgment is based on what he shown so far compared to the others drivers. I am more than willing to see what more he can do. If you are right it would be great for F1 and for you too as you seem a fan
Alonso has signed a clause in his contract that allows him to veto Vettel as a team mate. Ferrari said so themselves.
This race showed very much about Vettel as a race driver. Damn fast, brave and a real fighter. But also that he feels very uncomfortable when racing for the world championship.
Well the SC's weren't because of Ecclestone and Whiting as he suggests but they were incredibly luckily timed for Vettel.
omg I still cant believe vettel overtook jenson button... man I mean 4th place is good enough... I mean if he would of crashed button, he would of lost all those points and all the hardwork he did to overtake... and also possibly a grid penalty for the next race... damn vettel is ballsy... he even sprayed the fruit cider on coulthard and cussed on the podium celebration...
Man wat about the crazy overtakes in brazil... vettel may have ag ood card but hes ag ood driver
Looks so easy, almost like he has the best car on the grid
Mmmh that's also why pretty noone else has done this even in the best car (like f.e. a Mercedes in the last 4 years)
i would agree. at the minute having the best car for the last few years he hasn't had the chance to prove his worth by winning in a slower car. i think he has the potential to do it but like you said will come in a few seasons
its just the best car and tahts more than just noticeable in here. it has the fastest on the field.