EVERY ALPHA FRAGMENT EXPLAINED! (Red vs Blue Discussion)
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- The alpha and ALL of its fragments were vital to the story. Here we discuss each and every one of them.
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I feel bad for maine. It's cannon that maine kept bothering medics growling and pointing at his head and sigma kept saying headaches but in reality maine was trying to shout at the medics to get sigma out of his head. I can't imagine how defeated you must feel knowing that you can only talk in growls and can't communicate whatsoever without the ai controlling you making you do otherwise. It must be a very horrible feeling worse than being shot in the throat
Jesus that's dark
I mean...
Why not just write on a paper whats goin on?
Speaking isnt the only way to communicate
@@nightowl5332 He might not of found something to write on or Sigma would stop him
@@twinzzlers theres no way that an entire darn facility would just not have a sheet of paper bruh and i doubt Sigma could've stopped Maine when he first started his shenanigans.
@@nightowl5332 Maybe Sigma just didn't feel the need to stop Maine from trying to talk to them? They wouldn't be able to understand Maine anyway
Just started, but...
RvB *does* distinguish smart and dumb AI. Washington outright calls Delta a dumb AI in season 6 before Delta says that they have one smart AI among them, Alpha.
cpMetis I was just about to say the same thing. There are a few moments in the show where dicuss the difference between smart/dumb AI
Maybe a Smart AI fragment is only a dumb AI, like in Halo? BB’s fragment during Kilo-Five was definitely a dumb AI, and I think it was outright stated to be so.
KingOfYou115 YES!!! And I am also glad you referenced Kilo-Five
Facts, literally right out of the gate
There's also Dylan calling VIC a dumb AI as well.
Okay I love everyone's creative and in-depth comments but seriously
Thank you for putting in the ERASED OST as BGM -
I always come back to th8s video. Good content, good muisc. ❤
R.i.p Delta
19:25 didn't Epsilon take control of Grif in season 13.
Couldn't handle all of the alpha bow chicka bow wow
Well, maybe part of the reason why Tex didn't fall for the Alpha or Epsilon like before could be because A) Beta was going to fail, and thus maybe she'd fail to become in love with the Alpha? I mean, she doesn't have Alison's memories, so it's possible whatever happened that caused them to fall in love didn't happen, and Alison could've been like Beta before she met the Director. Or B) She's not the fragment of love, she's just a killing machine, one that fails, and one that will always fail.
I miss epilson Delta and Theta especially Theta he was soooooooooooo cute
I don't think Beta was failure but her copy was
Red vs Blue ☺️
Elijah woods voice in rvb = evil person
Sorry just need to point out, Eta and Iota were not the last harvested. Epsilon was the last.
"The Alpha dies to the EMP"
Excuse me, it's the "emp".
Finally, someone gets it!
Lol
Activating emp
Wash: EMP?! You have got to be fucking kidding me.
@@MusicFan752 I laughed so hard at that the first time I saw it.
So Church is
Leonard
An AI
The Alpha
Epsilon
Church (duh)
Allisons Husband
Texas' boyfriend
Carolinas dad
A Ghost
Every other AI
Pretty much Cortana
But most importantly...
Cabooses best friend ❤️
Thx for spoiler that he's Carolina's dad...
@@locuspocus3822 it isn't a spoiler if you watched season 14 I'm pretty sure
@@loafofcorn6555 That's what i'm saying, I'm at season 10 episode 8.
@@locuspocus3822 ohh, I'm sorry then
@@loafofcorn6555 It's okay lol (now even bigger spoiler cuz now i know when they discover it) but it's OK😂😂
I’m gonna put in my two cents, Carolina could have handled eta and iota but when the director burst in and yelled Allison it triggered EVERY ai to freak out, so essentially Carolina was simply experiencing twice what the others were, it’s not that she couldn’t handle them, more they almost self destructed on the thought of Allison
Austin Hatfield that's what I think too
And considering one AI could knock someone out with that...
I was also going to say that they were reacting to Allison/Tex, that's why they kind of short circuited (for lack of a better term)
Exactly
Don't forget she just received them, she never had a chance to get accustomed to them.
Wait a minute. . . Are you telling me Church's whole multiple time jump thing in the first part of the series was just a SIMULATION!? . . . That makes so much more sense. . .
It's a weird retcon, to be honest, even if I do like it for the sake of the Freelancer/AI lore. Because while it does kind of make sense out of a nonsensical plot point, that idea of looping time *does* turn out to be real later, because it comes into play with the final confrontation with Wyoming. Wyoming keeps looping time when he fails, and just like in Gamma's simulation-torment of Alpha, it results in a whole bunch of copies of Wyoming leftover. And Church actually sees that twist coming, all because Gamma had previously shown him how Wyoming's time-loop ability works.
The only thing that doesn't add up is that Church's time traveling caused key events in the first place. Renaming FILSS as Sheila, accidentally killing Flowers, and several other things that otherwise don't make sense. Everything after Church goes to Sidewinder makes more sense as a simulation, though.
@@bfish89ryuhayabusa honestly, that might have just been Gamma messing with Alpha Church. Otherwise, some of the things he did would have gotten people's attention.
@@bfish89ryuhayabusa No, those were just simulations still. Sheila was likely renamed since Filis could have made the alpha remember, and flowers could have actually died from a heart attack, just in the simulation he would have taken the medication and gamma could have just made it so he was now allergic to aspirin.
A FRIGGIN GREE
"dumb ai" immideately shows vic XD
CyicalCoreGamer rip
LOL DIP POOR VOC XD
CyicalCoreGamer HEEEEEEEY DUUUUDE! WAHTS GOIN ON?
555-VICK!
555-Vick its vick
Epsilon can body-hop Season 12 when he makes Grif drop the laser rifle
Yeah, he said he learned that from the alpha.
breseman more so from Omega but yea
He does have much more difficulty with it though.
He also went into Caboose a few times.
As a specific example he did it in one the last episodes of seasons 10
I love how Omega in the first season seemed like he was an actual threat, but the moment he possessed Doc, he’s just a petty villain
Possibly because it was fighting against Doc's pacifist ideals at the same time so the evil could still operate but only on a level Doc fully had the capacity for
I just realized. The real tragedy of RvB is that it's kind of about Church... But we literally NEVER meet the real Church. All we see, throughout the entire series, are just separate distinct facets of his personality, and never the whole. What we know about him is just what we could piece together. It's like that old "blind men identifying an elephant" thing. Even if they did eventually discover it to be definitively an elephant, there's always one part of it they could never have reached: in this analogy, the elephant's back. So yes, we know it is absolutely an elephant, but, like the blind men, we'll never know what it actually looks like as a complete animal. We will never truly know Leonard Church. And that's terrible. :'(
Leonard was the Director though?
@@knightmare5097 But we never got to know his whole story
@@BlueSkyBirdies We got the gist of it at least.
Leonard Church was a scientist specializing in the AI program. After his wife, Allison, died in the Great War, Church became obsessed with bringing her back through the AI. Thus, when he created the Freelancer Program and was assigned Alpha, he used Alpha to create fragments of him, in the hopes of getting Allison back, since Alpha was created from the mind of Leonard.
We never got to know the original body of the epsilon ai
Alpha = OG
Beta = Mistake
Gamma = Reasoning
Delta = logic
ETA= fear
Iota = happiness
Theta = trust
Sigma = Ambition and Creativity
Omega = Rage
Epsilon = Memory
You're welcome
It's Just Me Aidan!! Gamma is Deceit not reasoning
I always thought Eta was like, happiness or Sadness
Lol the video SAYS Gamma was deceit
I can relate to beta then
There is also xi which may be Georgia’s ai. He talks about it in another one of his videos
Um.... where is Santa? That dude was smart as hell
TheClueless he isnt part of the alpha
Sam DeMonic I know but he opened up with talking about smart A.I.’s and dumb A.I.’s not with the fragments
TheClueless Smart and Dumb AI aren’t categorized by intelligence. A “Smart” AI is created by copying a human’s mind, while a “Dumb” AI is programmed. I think Santa stated that he was created/programmed.
smart AIs are still created, (by copying an aliens mind in this case?)so santa was potencially a smart AI. He sure seemed like it.
TheClueless
Read the title
14:00 Small correction: the stages of rampancy actually aren't from Halo lore, but from Marathon, an older Bungie IP (and one that RvB used during Season 3). While fans, for years, assumed the AI Rampancy stages applied to Halo as well, there's no lore that directly references them, and what we do know of Rampancy does not fit with the idea of there being stages, nor would it allow for metastability.
Also: I just discovered this channel, and I've been practically binging your RvB and RWBY vids. You make amazing videos, dude! Keep it up!
holy crap, halo Canon's here. wasn't expecting you here.
Look if eruption fang argued with halo cannon he would be canceled
It's nice to see a Halo RUclipsr commenting on a Video, talking about RvB
Is it strange that I didn't think that the post-Omega version of O'Malley wasn't actually Omega's physical influence, instead Doc having some sort of split personality disorder caused by the trauma Omega brought on?
I thought that was what he was considering he doesn't pop up again until Doc learns nobody realized he was missing and the trauma of that caused his mind to snap creating a real O'Malley
Yeah no when church sacrificed his self he knew he was an AI he just says the I'm a ghost line as a way to comfort his self before he dies.
Heavy.
I viewed it as more as his trait to never really admit he's wrong, but no, I agree he knew he was going to die, it's why Epsilon was able to sacrifice himself in season 13.
I took that line literally back in the day 😅
He doesn't die, he erased his memory to split himself up for each suit to fully operate.
My theory as to why beta is so mean unlike Alison is because Alpha only split the part that he couldn't handle. That would account for the rudeness along with the always failing right before her goal is achieved.
And she probably is mad at Church because he was the one who made her like that.
Actually epsilon did control griffs body to give carolina the alien gun
D34THW01F I also wanted to point that out
It may be he remembered how the alpha did it. Add unlike alpha, it taxed him. It almost visibly hurt him to do what he did
I said the same thing i only just now saw your comment though
Yeah I thought the same thing
Tex also body hopped with Church, although I don't remember her possessing anything other than corpses and robots, and chasing Omega into people's 'subconscious' (or wherever they were).
In Halo, the AI don’t necessarily always die due to rampancy, they get shut down by humans as a precaution. There was an AI in the books that had lived more than double its 7 year lifespan as no one shut her down. As for Cortana specifically, she shut herself down at the end of Halo 4. The Cortana in Halo 5 is one of her copies left behind on the Didact’s ship, like Epsilon being a copy of Alpha. Same personality, same voice, same memories, similar appearance, but different entities.
KingOfYou115 well said
Thanks for explaining that! I don't grasp Halo's lore as well and there's not many videos that explain things like that.
EruptionFang No problem man. Any other things you still don’t get? I’m a big lore fan of Halo and RvB, and I could probably explain anything you still don’t really know.
KingOfYou115 so Cortana in Halo 5 is basically Epsilon Cortana (not Cortana herself but just her memories)?
KingOfYou115 Noice! But I thought she was uploaded to The Domain and cured of her rampancy though.
The Alpha was Leonard's full potential.
But he still can't use a sniper rifle.
The alpha could use a sniper rifle, only Epsilon couldn't
@@bharathmenon7363 Well both couldnt
@@bharathmenon7363 um did you watch the first 6 seasons of the show, alpha only ever hit like 3 shots with that thing
@@simplystellar_ to be fair the Alpha was had lost a lot of himself so maybe a fully complete Alpha could hit his shots
@@simplystellar_ thats because they never thought of the freelancer ai plot until later
So does anyone else think of how Theta must’ve felt/reacted when North got killed? :(
Out of all of them Alpha, Epsilon, and Delta seemed the most human. I believe the reason Epsilon mostly spoke with the memory of Delta was because Delta was the logic and understanding needed to understand the memories that Epsilon had.
One thing dude. There was no proof that Carolina couldnt handle the twins. She had them during her climactic fight with Tex, remember? This clip shows how she got double the pain in this one incident because the director said the no no word. All the AI got fucked when he said that. We have no proof she couldn’t handle it. To the contrary she seemed pretty good in that fight, so……
Not to mention she had just received them, no time to acclimate to their voices, personalities or thoughts.
I don’t think falling over before the fight begins is pretty good, man.
She also used them perfectly later on when Tex invaded the ship, she only lost them to the Meta
Max she never communicated with Eta and Iota directly. In fact I don’t think she even mentions them.
@@LucyWest370 This could be due to the medium the narrative is portrayed through. Outside of novels all mediums for narratives, within the scope of large-scale popular productions, are infinitely more exposed to change and constraint. In the end its all speculation, but its just as easy to say that between the Allison incident and the climactic fight against Tex that Carolina got Eta and Iota under control. But the opposite is also true because it is never explicitly told to us in the medium. Shows especially though are the most susceptible to a lack of detail and change in production parameters compared to movies or single-piece media. This post of mine was a bit petulant and short-sighted (it was two years ago). My opinion could be rephrased much better as: there's no proof that Carolina was inhibited by her AI after the Allison incident and there is also no evidence that she didn't gain control over them and establish a powerful relationship. Really glad this is getting attention though, a good video about one of my favorite pieces of media. The AI fragments are also an awesome, so yeah
Alphas personality was more of a "jerk" while epsilon... Still a jerk at times hes gotten more kinder, atleast more then the "original"
SuperSonicHeroes Alpha did that in the first 10 minutes of RvB
I actually think of it as the opposite where Alpha cared more about the Blues but was just depressed about the situation. Epsilon was more high and mighty and wanted to do his own thing despite the effect on everyone else, Alpha rarely did that. Espilon could of course be seen as more nicer towards the reds and caboose especially, but that's really only cause he was involved with them longer. Alpha didn't have much opportunity to interact with the reds since being the RvB thing was current and Epsilon was with them since reactivation instead of the whole hating one side cause someone told him to deal. The point is I believe it's situational, if Alpha spent more time with the reds, Tucker, caboose etc. he would've had the same thoughts about them and the rest of the crew as Epsilon did before his deconstruction
Miss Me Assholes!
Personally I always saw it as Alpha being the nicer one Epsilon seemed more like a dick
Agent Tex I agree
I think in the end the alpha knew he was an ai. It was just comforting thing to say, maybe. Also it was pretty epic.
you are right, it’s just church’s personality. he would rather make a joke about it like him being a ghost as a way to cope because he had JUST found out the truth about himself and was forced into an ultimatum, accept it and save the day, or stay in denial and live.
RvB: Being creative is evil.
Jay Gg I think it’s more to do with the fact that, at the time of his A.I. creation, Leonard was trying to become “whole” after the loss of Allison. Therefore, his ambition also wanted to become whole, and like the director he didn’t feel the need to follow the “rules” (given how many laws the director broke). This became more extreme because, obviously, Sigma was ONLY the directors ambition. I’m sure if it was someone like Carolina’s creativity and ambition, they would try to become super strong. If it was Grif, they’d probably find more creative ways of getting out of work. For Tucker, I’m thinking pickup lines and battle plans to help him become a better leader. And so on, and so on.
Ryan Red nah it means ur a fucking nutjob
Creativity + Ambition without Morality/Compassion would make someone incredibly indifferent to others.
NOw let's all agree to never be creative again.
Being smart is evil 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I got a question, how come gamma and sigma look like bald humans while every other fragment look like someone in power armor.
TheJman445 hmm ok.
Though I wanted a more in universe explanation.
Honestly? I think it's just the shape the ai took to suit themselves... or something like that.
Bcuz, can you see delta out of armor?
Edited//
You know what?
I gave more thought, and I don't know, what I said previously is just bs.
In the Halo continuity, the AI get to choose the form they wish to take.
AI choose their forms and the AI come from the Director, since the Director runs a project for the UNSC and was married to a Marine he undoubtedly would be accustomed to a UNSC environment, including the Spartans.
The Spartans in Halo are considered the pinnacle of the UNSC's forces (a view the Director seems to shares since the armor that Freelancer personnel wear is modelled after Spartan armor, even in the animated flashbacks where they could get away with using normal people), the AI taking the form of Spartans could represent the Directors desire to be able to serve.
The reason he ended up as a scientist rather then joining the military is because he flunked training, and that's why he is haunted so much by Allison's death because he believes that if only he were better at being a soldier then he could have done something to prevent her death.
Thus, the AI choosing to take a form that represents what they view as the better soldier.
In the case of Gamma and Sigma, it could be argued that given what they represent as fragments it makes more sense to them to appear as scientists rather then soldiers.
Behind the scenes its because filming a in-game Spartan is easier then animating a character, the only reasons they made Sigma and Gamma human is because they thought animating Gamma as a human allowed them to better emphasize Gamma's robotic jerky mannerisms while with Sigma making him human allowed him to move and express himself more fluently.
O'Malley. The AI that can make even Felix and Locus piss themselves
Omega
@@andrewkim9848 Omega/Allison make Omalley
You know it!
Edgar Potosme actually it’s cabooses real name from season 1/2 when O’Malley infected him
@@flyfyre7044 O'Malley is a fake name caboose's name is Michael J. Caboose
Wash mentioned smart AI when he met Church and recovered Delta from South. Church asked 'Smart? Like Delta?' and Wash responded 'Delta is the logical one in the family, smart means something different for AI.'
Y’know, my memory of Church, back when I only heard about him, and my brothers showed me clips, I thought that both Epsilon and The Alpha were the same person. And now just thinking about it, how my original memory of Church, Seasons 3-6, actually died, it’s just really weird to hear.
Saying “Alpha is not Epsilon and Epsilon is not the Alpha” just feels so weird.
It's not Epsilon it's Church
I haven’t finished I am on the one after church “dies” I was wondering, does he actually die? Can someone answer me
They’re both church, different entities
I remember it as the Alpha is the asshole, while Epsilon showed character growth
Alpha cared about caboose more than epsilon, in S5 when caboose dies during Wyoming's thing church gets miserable and shouts "CABOOSE!!!NOOOOOOO!!!" even tho at that time he believed a dead person would come back as a ghost...while epsilon scares caboose off in S10 and stuff and all in all, I miss alpha church even tho epsilon is the same person...idk why but I just miss the old church and tex rather than the new ones.
I was hoping they would've turned the fragments into actual characters at the start of Season 15 :(
The fragments, all of them were destroyed before season 15, how would they make characters out of things destroyed seasons before
In Caboose's Guide to Making Friends they showed Church splitting into the fragments and then dying, right after Caboose starts tinkering with machinery. Of course now I know it was a sort of metaphor for "making friends" but it was always a thought I had because I wanted to see the fragments as actual characters. I figured he was building robot bodies for the fragments that miraculously survived somehow.
Then Washington can handle all of the Alpha, right? He was Alpha's host at the end of Season 6.
Jay Redd holy shit your right
I'd say there's a difference between hosting and handling. The Alpha wasn’t performing at it's peak during that time, but rather just hitching a ride.
i don't really think so, i mean the alpha had been splintered multiple times, kind of like the center of a puzzle, you can't see the whole picture without it, but it can be just as big or small as the other pieces. In other words....it was the alpha "Fragment", at least in a sense. It was still the original, but i mean, can you call half a person whole.......or in his case like....1/8?
@@monorayjak4377 but if you remember, alpha was unaffected by omega showing his anger was still there even though it had been fragmented off
How do we know Alpha was simply stored separately? Remember Washington refused to host any AI after the traumatizing flashes Epsilon put him through.
People tend to forget that Epsilon Church is not the same as Alpha Church.
Yup. But acts luke aloha minus one thing. Fully aware of being an AI
Theta is the person who will warm someone's heart
It's amazing what RVB has become...
_Shanahan_
not in a good way though in my opinion ._.
True,
I do enjoy the older episodes where it was just stupidity upon stupidity, however I believe if they had kept doing that then the series would have just stagnated.
Adding a more complexed story to it allows for the silliness the series once had while also advancing character development and backstories, granted I don't think I'll ever get bored of 'Hey, you ever wonder why wer're here?' Joke, they can't just repeat the same story with slight variations on what's happening.
It would be funny to see for a season or 2 but it would get very old very quick after that, This time... Sister Kills Church... Actually... I would want to see that
Although I will admit I don't like how all the Blood Gultch Chronicles, which were just silly episodes about doing stupid things, became this giant integraled thing where it was all a simulation designed to test special soldiers where each season the first few seasons become more and more convoluted such as Tucker being the one to kill Flowers.
At the end of the day I don't think the change is necessarily a bad thing, characters have evolved, stories have been told and bonds have been made. Church got EMP'ed and Epsilon was destroyed, Church is gone, for good at this point, or so I hope.
I do love Church, but with the ability to time travel I REALLY hope they don't bring back Church and just undo everything, because if they do, screw it, might as well bring back Tex too.
My point being, RVB has changed into something else, is it still what it originally started out as? No, there was no way when RoosterTeeth came up with the premise of RVB that they would have been able to comprehend what it would become and because of that the story has had to be built upon and changed, It's still the same series, it's just not the same story anymore, however in my opinion that isn't 100% a bad thing.
I do agree with that if they do ever decide to bring church back it better be damn good and awesome, but in the same way I don't want them to because it would make his speech worthless and everything that happened worthless the thing I want to see the most is them to grow more as a person like Tucker I loved the bow chicka bow wows and all that but in 11-13 he really grew as a person and became a leader same in 15 but now he's back to what he was and the episode about sister and him and all that just felt fake it felt like it was a fan fic or it was a fetish they had, i just really wanted them to change. I really wanted grif to be occasionally lazy and be his old self but now he's just gotten worse and I just don't really like it. yes I loved all the stupidity that happened and all of that it felt natural not forced and rushed they took their time to explain things and it felt natural. now it feels forced bringing in new characters and things that dont make since it just feels like they are trying to hard in my opinion, yes I love the fact that they are trying something different but it just feels repeated with different ideas I just hope they fix it soon. what's happening now would have worked before they became heros and before they became somebody not just a bunch of idiots in a box canyon in the middle of nowhere. I crave change i crave something different every season. red vs blue has always been different an awesome kind of different but then again every great show has its ruts and it either pulls it's self out or just gets deeper and deeper until they give up
@@User_1767 I'd say it's up and down, haven't seen 16 yet but 15 had its moments as well as it's downfalls
Church: *dies*
Season 16: timey wimey
Season 17: sad timey wimey reversal
If Gamma role is the case for season 3, and due to AIs thinking at the speed of light. Basically all those simulations that happened through out the season was just a small bit of human time.
Which is why it only happened from when the "explosion" happened and when he popped up in Zanzibar with Tex and the rest of the reds and blues.
There was a time in the Chorus Trilogy when Epsilon took over Grif's body to get the Suppressor.
I miss all of these AIs. Even though some were meant to be bad and others were meant to be neutral or good, they all served a great purpose to the plot of RvB. I just wish that if they ever were to make another smart AI, it should have the same abilities and awareness that the Alpha had. They would have the potential to create another interesting story arc from there. I would also like the AI to remind them of Church and treat the AI as their close friend, much like they did with Alpha and Epsilon. It would also be an alternative to not bring back Church and just create some nostalgia about him through another character like him.
I mainly miss theta…
Theta is probably one of my favorites including delta
nice video, but you missed one thing, is "emp" not "e.m.p"
Sigma: ♪ What's your favorite idea? Mine is being creative! ♪
GameHead617
oh my god yes
I thought it was sugma
Terrible Tree nice try
So... my thoughts after observing your video. I would like to touch base on the Epsilon. Specifically that...from what I observed during the series... epsilon was the only one to reach a state of could be considered metastability. He remembered all the fragments and could even fragment himself to help him analyze a situation. In the chorus trilogy he did this several times while working with Carolina. He even did it to eventually save the reds and blues from certain death. We see epsilon change from just a fragment to recieving the stimulus required to remember everything and once he did... we see him deal with his other fragments. Also we never see him reach rampancy... we see him reach a state where his memory of the alpha fragments gave him the stability he needed to deal with the memories of alphas torture. In essence he reached metastability... which I now think of as a sort of "immortality" or the A.I. equivalent of it at least. This proves the directors theory where he could have been considered (to borrow the rvb term) fully human. He rebuilt himself.
I miss church :(
Snurly you mean the Epsilon A.I.
noah berg I miss all of them to be honest
I never got to say goodbye
That is something caboose would say
noah berg No, he means Church.
So I had a thought during the beta part with how Allison and Tex where different it could be that after Alison’s death the director kept thinking about all the arguments and things he regrets about the relationship which lead to the difference in personality
He became bitter, jaded, and morally bankrupt. That probably changed how he felt about her. After she up and died on him, he never got past it. He felt abandoned and destroyed. Makes sense that he subconsciously warped her into a heartless, reckless, soldier who doesn't care about who she leaves behind, destined to die in vain. A failure.
@@thestranger954 he only talk about positive about her going to war so i doubt that
You know one day were going to see the Alpha again on the series, Washington will protest on your behalf "but how, the EMP killed you, I was their!?" To which Church will respond...."I told you....I'm a motherf&*king ghost!"
And that will be his grand entrance signaling his return to the show.
would like to see alpha return but i think it'd be better if they just made a new AI all by itself. director was able to do it, who's to say nobody else would dabble into AI theory? either illegally or privately
No! Church should just stay dead, there is no other way to bring him back other than the director , and he’s dead, and they clearly said that “They will never bring back Church ever”
This is probably a comment making a joke but it pisses me off to see so many people wanting more of a character that was confirmed to never return
people aint wrong for wanting something. getting it on the other hand would probably be unrealistic and i think everyone knows how dead church is
Tempest Tie they could bring church back by copying Tuckers brain and creating an ai based off tucker and the next big bad could split tuckers ai and the first fragment is church. it would be super convoluted but I want church back lol so id be fine with it
The Alpha is dead. No way around that. Resurrecting him (which is impossible) would just remove meaning from his death.
Epsilon was just the memories therefore he should be almost emotionless yet he uses every emotion like he was even closer to metastability than delts
Omega being the rage probably explains why he has the strongest influence and lasting impression on his hosts. Rage is one of if not the strongest emotion in humans. It makes sense that the ai centered around peoples’ rage would have the easiest time almost fully possessing them. Plus the anger management issues being a lasting effect makes sense too, as you give in to your anger and lash out at people, it becomes easier to do that until it becomes second nature. I think the only reason doc developed split personalities after that is because he was a pacifist and refused to give in to his rage so easily. Omega had to push even further than normal to control doc which probably caused psychological damage, leading to the split.
Leonard: **creates Epsilon/Church/Alpha**
Me if it wasn't legal in RvB: *Wait, that's illegal.*
I wish that church didn't go on that mission with wash so he wouldn't have died :(
ETA and IOTA were fine together. It wasn't until the Director overreacted at the fight between Tex and Carolina that ALL of the AI's started to cause pain and reactions to all of the Freelancers who had them. Not just Carolina, however hers was significantly worse because she had two.
It is because he said the no no word (allison)
@@RichFPS99 Exactly
“My name is Michael J. Caboose, and I hate babies!”
Dang it, O’Malley! You corrupted Caboose!
12:00 no, the suits can handle a full AI, two FRAGMENTS isnt a problem, the problem was 2 extra voices and thoughts, when normally its only 1 extra voice/thought stream
The problem is they were both autistically screaming Allison, she had no problems before that.
I think the reason for Tex being much meaner than Allison is because of the memories she was made of, including any anxieties he had of her, like her being super jealous, not really liking him deep down, or any mistake he made just pissing her off
May alpha Rest In Peace ✌️
AI: (chants alpha)
Theta: was he my dad
Delta: he was our father and creator
So any one else is gonna ask is that Tex (Beta) or tex (M. Beta) at the end of season 10 of rvb when church talked to her.
at the end of season ten the Tex we see is the original beta, I don’t know for sure but that’s what’s implied. everything the director did to the alpha, he did to beta and that’s why we see a bunch of robot Tex’s . you can tell because when church speaks to Tex , the scene is a complete role reversal of when Tex tried to save the alpha way back on the mother of invention all those years ago.
im gonna give the short version of each AI (you should still watch it this cause idk shit i was bored)
Alpha- is an assistant and is the smartest, basically Leonard at his full potential, then its purpose changed and made a fragment. now its a lab rat, and it thinks its a ghost. dies from an EMP blast, (spoilers on this one) was given to a private named jimmy who now thinks they are called "Church" and that jimmy was beaten to death by beta/Tex with his own skull (which is physically impossible)
Beta- first fragment, is the memories of Allison from Leonard, the special ability is failing (im not kidding), beta is rude AF, idk what to say from the rest of this other than its Tex/Texas
Gamma- is the deceit, Wyoming's AI, unbelievably important to the story, ran simulations for the alpha to fail so that it fragmented, tricked the alien and killed it with a fake prophecy, overall is a bitch.
Delta- is the logic, York's AI, Believes good and evil are subjective, strayed away from its own logic with his reason "thats just part of what makes us human", only one to leave recordings in the host.
Eta and Iota- Eta is fear, Iota is happiness, yin yang thing going on that dosent work since Carolina couldn't handle two AI's at once. (bow chicka bow wow)
Theta- the trust, is basically a kid mentally, didint really matter plot wise but character developing wise he's important for North Dakota.
Sigma- The ambition and creativity, has two things if you didint notice, originally Caroline's but given to Maine since his throat got shot, is a bad person, sigma wishes to reach godhood, made Maine a bad person called THE META (i think thats how its spelt) who wanted every AI at once (bow chicka bow wow) but failed cause EMP, is a great manipulator like the dude could say "you want a sandwitch" and you're like "yeah".
Omega- The rage, Omega dosent really talk in AI form rather it takes a body then talks through that, wants more conflict, can jump through solders at will, strongest influence except on Tex since they are an AI themselves, made a lasting influence on people.
SPOILERS FOR THE LAST ONE SINCE HE IS REALLY SUPER DUPER IMPORTANT TO THE STORY
Epsilon- The memory (just try to stick with me here), was the last AI to die since Caboose got him to safety from the EMP, remembers everything that Alpha did, so he remembers everything from project freelancer to the other AI's, is as close to the alpha as can possibly be but he isint alpha, worked with Caroline since thats what alpha was going to do, when it was thinking light speeds ahead of any human thats what alpha could do, alphas potential was wasted since it was a lab rat, since it only REMEMBERS what alpha did that means it didn't do it which means they areint the alpha, which means they areint church. just because they could replicate the alphas actions and do more than it ever did, doesn't make it the alpha, its just a fragment. church is dead(?)
What do you think about the moment in Season 6 when the alpha met all of the other AI’s in the moments before the EMP device went off?? Since he would have experienced time differently than humans, do you think he ever realized that he was an AI & not a ghost? Also how would the other AI’s react to finally meeting him
Didn’t epsilon take over Grif in season 13?
The 1 dislike is from the Director, cause you know too much
D: *“Counselor send one of our agents to kill EruptionFang”*
C: but isn’t this ille-
D: *”DO IT”*
@@andrewkim9848 damn it i read that in their voices. Well played
19:23 although the alpha should be the only one to take over people epsilon did in season 12 or 13 when he had to take over griff to get the gun back
I'm pretty sure Beta became rude from Omega, like everyone else he possessed(Caboose and Doc) he made them rude, and a part of him stays inside them, Caboose has rage moments, Doc still had outburst, and Beta had him longest, so she was rude because of that
You forgot Yellow Church
ETA/Ioa
Or something else I dunno what you meant by Yellow Church
He was generated when Gama put the Alpha through the simulation of being thrown back in time over and over again
That wasn’t an AI, it was a clone/copy/double of Church, so it was just a byproduct of the rewind shit
Caboose's memory of Sister, technically
In season 16 and 17, the Gods are Smart AIs or an other type of AI ?
Can you please explain why Epsilon fargmented and what happened to the fragments?
Hayden Farmer Epsilon didn't become fragmented...?
The alpha was fragmented
He means at the end of Season 13
He didn’t fragment, those fragments were his memories of the AIs which is why they are seen after they were destroyed in the EMP blast, the Epsilon unit never fragmented, he deconstructed himself in order to power the suit, so he used the memories of the AI to help the suit on Tucker function
And even then Epsilon was an old AI so even if he fragmented from what I hear then the fragments of the fragment will also be old since they are memories of the fragments. If you managed to process what I said, Good Job
Epsilon did fragment into Epsilon-Alpha and Epsilon-Beta, since the original Beta was also destroyed in season 6. Equally, when Epsilon allowed himself to fragment in season 13, he became his fragments to power Tucker's suit for a short time - though of course, that particular deconstruction meant he died. (It would depend if you'd argue deconstruction = fragmentation)
Can you please make a video focused on Maine I feel like there’s a lot of story to him and how he was the Meta
Your videos are so good
I got kinda kicked in the feels when epsilon came up
I definitely enjoyed this. could you make a video explaining gamma’s role and plans in the series? I have the most trouble comprehending that, like how did he “lie” about the time traveling but there were copies of Wyoming and church that could be interacted with, or how there was no prophecy but tucker found the Sword, or how the fake prophecy was supposed to work to begin with. It seems convoluted but you seem to have a grasp on it plus you seem to know where to find videos I don’t know where to watch, (like what video has delta refusing to join Tex? I’ve never seen that)
david wycuff there are several mini series with about 4 episodes. The scene you mentioned is I believe from 'Out of Mind'
Who knows?! Maybe the simulations can be interacted with
And to the prophecy thing
I have no fuckin idea, the Blood Gulch chronicles were basically a test show for RT, they just expanded on it when RvB became popular
Patryk Biegalski thank you, I knew I was missing out on some info but I didn’t know what I was looking for. But, now that I watched it I’m even more confused on how certain things don’t quite make sense and I feel a video explaining things is even more necessary. Regardless thanks again for pointing me in the right direction, I’m going to check the other mini series to see if they explain more.
Dude, you keep saying E M P. I think you mean EMP
17:43 A’s soon as I heard that music I wanted to cry
What song is that?
@@mykillnotyours I think it's Contact's redux
I like the fact that you say "smart AI have no limits" meaning that even without sigma in Maine Carolina or whoever had him would eventually go to metastability and do what he did before but be successful instead of dying in the EMP and in the process killing his host which sigma did with Maine but over time because of the corruption and the time it took for Maine to get cocky and reckless which would eventually get Maine killed.
There’s a theory out there that talks about signmas plan being doomed from the start. The symbol he made used the Greek letter Xi. And when tex went through the project freelancer files there were two fragments unaccounted for. Love and greed. The guy assumed greed is what sigma needed but he couldn’t find it because it might’ve been paired with agent Georgia. Plus no beacon was sent off because Georgia isn’t dead. The second fragment he assumed was Vick the alphas love. Given to agent Florida to look after alpha.
SPOILERS
when Vick sacrificed himself during the blues and reds thing to stop loco’s machine the speech he gave was practically the exact same speech epsilon gave. Vick wasn’t even there but he’s love so he would know what epsilon did and what he might have said
I just wanted to say I enjoyed this video and that there is still the possibility of a new alpha based off the director, rooster teeth could have a UNSC team end up finding the directors body and brain a few hours, or days after his death and then made an A.I. just my thinking again like the video
Just gonna throw this theory out, I think Vic was a fragment, a hint is Vic’s last message to the group that mimicked epsilon’s last message
I feel like he could have explained Epsilon as being "just a fragment" a little bit better.
Being Epsilon was "just a fragment," he was able to remember everything the Alpha did, everything the Alpha was, and everything that happened to the Alpha, his fragments and Project Freelancer as a whole. Epsilon remembered the personality of Alpha, which explains why he acted EXACTLY like him, and even remembered the personalities of his other fragments. He even went as far as being/doing what the Alpha was originally supposed to be/do; an AI to assist super soldiers in battle. But he was never able to do everything the Alpha did. He was never able to become what the Alpha was, and he never could. It's like tearing off a piece of paper. You can tape it all back together, and it can become whole, but that torn off piece will never become what the original full sheet of paper was by itself, which Epsilon was, and was trying to do, which was quite a task considering not only was the Alpha destroyed, but so were all of his other fragments. Epsilon was trying to become the next Alpha, which is somewhat what Carolina expected of him as well, but he was pushing his limits trying to do the impossible. Once he realized this, instead of continuing to maintain his AI structure, he fragmented himself even further down to the point where he was merely extra power for Tucker's Meta suit and reassigned his main purpose to support the suit throughout the battle, similar to how paper is shredded and recycled to form other paper products.
Epsilon took over Grif, and Carolina only went out of commission from the Alison memory shocking every AI, and that being doubled because of two ai's, not because she couldn't handle them.
my god when fang started talking about epsilon and the background music started playing the feels activated
Thank you this really helps build my head canon.
Kinda working on an idea for a story were Epsilon survives and is taken to Santa to become Cured of rampancy or make it so he isn't limited by it and gives all his pieces of other AI to each of his friends. This really helps me sort them all out, I never knew about Eta & Iota's traits before this video.
0:13 actually I think it has, in season 15 Dylan Andrews and Carolina both referred to Vic as her dumb A.I.
i got goosebumps when i realized the footage from halo reach was symbolic of church and tex (alpha and beta) before there were other fragments
Epelson could take over someone because he sook over griffs body for a second and gave Carolina the laser gun
Theta is a good bean I love him.
13:03 theta's skateboard has the rooster teeth logo on it
Ya know, I’ve never had trouble telling Alpha from Epsilon. Because Alpha seemed to care a lot more about the blues then Epsilon did.
For me it seemed to be the opposite
It’d be interesting to make these Fragment AI based off of a mind with Schizophrenia, maybe give form to the supposed voices of the mind
I think at the end Alpha knew what he was, his final reaffirmation about being a ghost was just something he said for his own benefit, to give himself some courage at the end.
I love RvB, and yet my personal bias for some of the characters still leads me to formulate headcanons that we know aren't actually true. Like we know Alpha and York are dead. However since they are (in my opinion) 2 of the best characters, my personal headcanons are that Alpha backed up himself before the Emp, and York was actually healed and then escaped.
I actually think York being alive is more feasible than not. The "fatal" wound he took was not as bad as many wounds the Freelancers have sustained, and York had the healing unit. We've seen that Delta was close to Metastability, and we already know he has deceived people before. (He convinced Wash that eating with a helmet on was more efficient.) It is entirely possible that Delta chose to fabricate York's death to help York escape from Project Freelancer once and for all. Perhaps Delta even made a back-up of himself to leave with the suit of armor, so that Delta proper could leave with York.
I recognize that RvB considers York canonically dead, but I still like to imagine (just for my own enjoyment) that York and Delta are still out there chilling somewhere.
I'd like to imagine that for Alpha too, but honestly I just wish we had a chance to see Alpha return, and to operate inside Tucker's suit after Wash and Carolina train Tucker more, to the point where Tucker becomes a bigger badass than Tex.
i would like to say this is my understanding on how rampancy works in halo lore can take some time, but basically it works like this
say you have a phone or something that's run out of space, naturally you could just start deleting some unnecessary things to make more room, problem with the ai is that storage is their brain and humanity has yet to have a way to increase the storage space from what it is, sure the first couple things they delete they're fine but after a while when they start deleting more and more things, their ability to make the proper decisions worse, and they eventually start deleting more important things until they basically delete system 32. so around 7 years is the average time that starts to take place, and having an unstable AI with access to everything on a floating piece of metal could be extremely dangerous, so rampancy isnt a instant thing but more of a thing that happens at various pace. not to mention in cortana's case, in halo 4 she basically ran out of space and was succumbing to rampancy but at the end, where she was at her most unstable in entirety she landed in the Domain, which basically acted as a bunch of knowledge as well as infinite storage space, which is why/how she survived rampancy then she died in infinite and was replaced by Cortana 2, which is a different AI based off a second cloned brain of Dr. Halsey, because Halsey didnt just have the 1 brain cloned, like Cortana wasnt even the first AI Halsey made using her cloned brain
Speaking of Caboose, he was smarter in the earlier seasons than the latter seasons. That implies that Caboose was fighting Omega's influence and ended up brain damaged.
Speaking of Epsilon remembering everything, don't forget after the Reds and Blues went to Valhalla, Caboose spent a long time telling Epsilon about Alpha. Epsilon became "Church" because Caboose influenced him to become him. However, there is a huge difference. Church Alpha actually hated the Reds and Blues whereas Church Epsilon did not. Meaning Church Epsilon is molded after Caboose's memory of Church Alpha.