#40 IFR Currency Flight in a Cessna 441 Conquest II
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- This week we are flying with my customer Rob Ryan who needed me as a safety pilot while he was working on his IFR currency in his beautiful Cessna 441 Conquest II. In this video we chat a little bit with Rob and his pilot and ownership experience. The Cessna 441 Conquest II is pretty much the top of the line multi-engine propeller aircraft by Cessna. It's got incredible performance for really relatively low operating cost. Rumors are that Cessna killed the Conquest program so it could sell more Citations. Rob has taken this plane non-stop from Long Beach to Tampa, Florida!
Oh and here is a correct picture of a PIPER 400LS: jetav.com/piper-cheyenne-400ls... - thank you for noticing!
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0:00 Intro
0:39 Engine Start
1:25 Take-Off
3:24 Rob's Experience
9:18 RNAV APP LGB
12:27 VOR APP FUL
14:38 Garmin vs Avydine
16:39 Landing LGB
17:35 Wrap-Up
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Flying with Rich is always a great way to start the weekend. The Conquest is a sweet airplane. Have a great Labor Day holiday!
Thank you! Glad to hear that! You have a great Labor Day holiday as well!
A Conquest II is a huge transition from a Saratoga. He did really well flying the plane, situational awareness as well as a great ear on comms. Most owner operators I have flown with are nowhere close to his level of competency. Very nice flight Rob.
Wow! Very impressive performance by Rob. Great heads up/SA flying skills. He even pimped the controller on the first approach 🤩 Seems like a great guy who truly is happy with his purchase from a business standpoint. Good for him. Another awesome video.
Another enjoyable flight with good A/C review
A great airplane and is nice to see him being a good pilot. And making sure that safety is first and currency and all the airplane mechanisms are good to go! Nice to see this!
I have ALWAYS loved the Cessna conquest! You will never see planes made like this anymore and they are absolutely stunning to look at and I’m sure even better to fly! Btw the panel upgrades and configuration look clean !
Nice job Rob, pretty bird too!!!
Nice change of pace. Kind of a profile of the plane and the pilot. His humility in aviation versus his (assumed) necessary aggressiveness in his business is very interesting.
Nice review, thanks Rich
Thank you!
What a cool guy! That is a HUGE transition! Beautiful bird, love the avionics!!!
Yeah. Hopefully another video coming on the Conquest II!
Fun video Rich, thanks! I used to work for a company that have 2 Cessna jets (Citation 4 n 5) and a Cessna Conquest, which I flew on from BWI to MOB.....I made them stop at CGI to pee (I could not use the tube in front of 4 of my peers)....funny the pilots and others also RAN to the bathroom and we all agreed we really did need the FUEL as the HEADWINDS were strong that day...nice plane thought! (PS.....in a corporate environment, this is also 2 pilot plane!)
Great airplane. This is the king of the twin Cessna world. This is like the grandpa of the 310R we fly. Looks beautiful. Good job!
What blows my mind is your eagle eyes lol. How fast you spot traffic is crazy!
Looks like he did a great job! Huge step up. The 441 has been my favorite plane I’ve personally flown out of many types, from corporate to even big airliners. The 441 had a ton of raw power, economical and had long legs. Enjoy!
Thanks - great machine.
Yes, going from a piston single to a turbine twin would be challenging i think. This is one very nice plane indeed. Rob seems like an extremely appreciative and well mannered guy. Very enjoyable, thanks Rich
Rob is a great guy and really did the transition right. As he said, still learning! Thanks for watching.
Thanks again Rich!
Thank you. Really enjoyed the flight!
What a beauty 😍
Great plane thanks for sharing all the best.
Thank you!
Nice ride.
This is Giddy-Up !
So cool to see these not-so-common airplanes in action
Thank you!
wooooohooo! 11.5k views! 10.6k subs! Nice work Rich!
Thanks Tristan!
Great video!!! Appreciate all the knowledge you’ve shared. Cessna has limit the airframe time to 22,500 hours….why? Is there still issues with the wing spar on the C441? It’s a nice airplane with those Garrett engines…are those -10’s engines? The range on the C441 is like 2200nm right depending on payload? Can you fly that from California to Hawaii? Thanks again!!! Sorry for all the questions but I’m a huge fan of the C441.
I think you posted a video back when Rob bought the 441. It's fun to check in again and see how he and the airplane are doing.
I think that was a hangar tour. Thanks for watching!
what a beautiful plane o my God
The Conquest is a great aeroplane, I flew in on a few times back in the early 80’s. They are fast, comfortable and have a great range.
Agree. Hopefully will be doing a Conquest I review soon. Thanks for watching.
I love this guy. Had a Saratoga, no multi time since the 80’s and zero turbine time and was like “I think I want a Cheyenne 400LS” lol! I think it’s incredible. The Conquest II is a total beast in its own right, I don’t fault the insurance company for their requirements. Everyone says the same thing when transitioning from single pistons or piston twins to twin turboprops: “Everything happens so much faster”. It’s very true. You have to be way out ahead of the plane and that can only happen with tons of practice and experience.
You can’t help but love this amazing plane though. The 441 has a quality that’s entirely it’s own. It’s the end of the great line of twin Cessnas. This guy has grown on me too, he definitely knows what he wants and isn’t embarrassed to go after it.
Thanks for the message!
What a mint aircraft... Such a weapon
Thanks Rich
Sweet bird. I had 441-0198 and loved every minute of it.
I agree! Thanks for watching!
What a beautiful airplane. I think that you are doing a good job staying ahead of the airplane. If I could give you a couple pieces of advice, I think that you should work on briefing the approaches that you are flying for better situational awareness, also try to develop a flow for different configurations of the airplane. ( before takeoff, climb, cruise, descent, and approach), then back up with a checklist, and have your copilot help you with some workload during critical phases of flight. Just some observations! Safe flying to you!
441 Conquest is a beast! Flown in several. Not quite the room of a B200, but great bang for the buck.
Thanks for watching!
Liked right away!
FUL tower hardly makes you fly directly over the field in daylight hours, those in the tower cab really wanted to see the Conquest II overhead.
Yeah I was surprised too. You're probably right!
Any time I've shot the VOR-A they've wanted a turn south of the airfield.
Very nice.
G,day Rich from Sydney Australia.
Thankyou for including the approach plate. Any Nav suppliments such as WAC, sectionals, METAR, ATIS, NOTAM, weight and load Calculations, would be greatly appreciated.
Staying proficient for safety.
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Keep the videos coming! I wonder how many planes Rich is checked out in?
Thanks. Will hopefully keep the videos coming - 30+ years of GA flying accumulates a lot of airplane checkouts!
I earned my wings over 10 years ago at Fullerton. Nice to see this approach again. Been a long time.
Thanks for watching - unique approach into Fullerton.
Any info on that Virgin 747 behind you in the intro part of the video? Didn’t expect to see that at LGB! Keep the great videos coming!
That's from Virgin Galactic. It's in LGB quite often. Thank you!
I’m ready Rich in this Beast to do some approaches myself
Nice video again Rich! Awesome aircraft! By comparison, my SF50 Vision Jet (single engine FJ-33-5A turbofan) burns about 70 GPH at FL270. This twin burns a total of about 75 GPH. Thats pretty efficient. The owner seems like a nice guy and great customer. Thanks
Thanks for the message - and great info on the Vision Jet. I have not flown that airplane yet so appreciate the feedback. Rob is a great guy and I think will get a lot of utility out of the Conquest II.
@@FlyingwithRich I would be happy to take you up in mine if I ever make it to LGB. I am thinking of my next plane. These videos are great.
Let’s do it. Let me know when you are in SoCal. Where are you based?
@@FlyingwithRich I am based out of the Nashville area. I have a little RUclips aviation channel for fun.
I'd be interested in chatting with you about the Vision Jet. I have to admit to being quite critical of the airplane and its missions. You can probably find my comments on various RUclips channels that have featured the SF50. Given its range and capacity, I didn't understand the mission where the SF50 would be the best choice. I'm happy to be educated though. A couple of times when I made similar comments, the channel owners or other commenters got a bit... testy!
my 1st multi engine in 1989.....good to see
Thanks for watching!
Oh those 331's are awesome. Flew in the Flying Watermelon with those,
The 441 is a magnificent aircraft. At FL350 trues 280 to 290 knots at a fuel burn of 60 gallons an hour or a little less. Ive flown most of the fleet and did the flights for the first RVSM solution and recently did the flying for the rvsm solution for the Garmin autopilot. For range and performane theres nothing that will run with the 441. Just a stab, you run away and hide from a B200.
I agree. I have limited experience in the Conquest II but made a flight years ago in one from Wichita to Orange County, and still had the fuel to make Seattle! Winds were working in our favor, but in a class by itself with range/useful load! Thanks for watching!
Rob seems like a pretty competent pilot. I would ride with him.
He is very competent, and take his flying seriously.
This was great! I worked 441's for over 20 yrs. at Yingling in Wichita,KS. I was one of the best anywhere at setting up the power management system on these bad boys.Either Dave and Joe at Westar or myself and Bruce at Yingling were some of the best on this aircraft.Yes,Russ Meyers did not like a prop plane making the early Citations look bad! Any idea the s/n of this one? Thanks Rich!
S/N 155. I have had Don Beaty do most of the work on it.
@@TIO540S1 I am not sure if I ever saw this at Yingling over the years.I was there '79-'03.I wasn't sure who was working these now days.Thank you! Any Yingling log entries?
@@jettechdonatkins No Yingling or Westar. I’ve had Bruce Rayner at TechnicAir and Don at (now) ASAP Aerospace work on it, along with minor stuff done here at Long Beach by OCR Aviation, who also hangars, washes, provides for fueling, and puts the airplane on the ramp for me.
Rich - Missed this video but another great one! Question - what camera mounts do you use for your GoPro's? They look sturdy and easy to install? Thanks buddy!
Thank you! We use NOVOFLEX mounts. They are about $60 a piece if I remember right. They work pretty well but are still falling off sometimes unfortunately.
@@FlyingwithRich Thanks Rich! I will check them out.
Have you flown the C425? I hope there is a video of you flying one soon.
Coming soon!
Great video Rich. Any idea if he considered a TBM 700 instead of this airplane? I know they are quite a bit different but the acquisition price + speed/range of the TBMs are right in line. I'm guessing the TBM would be quite a bit cheaper to own and operate as well.
Rob?
TBMs are, without a doubt, fantastic airplanes. Each generation has significant enhancements. But the TBMs in the price range I was looking at had some downsides for me. For one thing, I wanted a twin. I know it's said that, for a twin, in the event of an engine failure, the remaining engine has just enough power to get you to the scene of the crash. And, statistically, that's probably accurate, at least for light twins. But, on a single engine, this airplane climbs at (in most situations) at least 750 f.p.m. at maximum gross takeoff weight and has a service ceiling in the high teens. I stay well-trained (in fact, I was at Flight Safety for my semi-annual recurrency training this week). So, with all of that said, I feel very comfortable on the missions I fly with two engines (and, pretty much, two of everything - generators, hydraulic systems, etc.). Also, I have nine seats and a flushing lav. I know that current TBMs have that option but current model TBMs are outside of my price range. And my wife is a big fan of having a toilet!
13:50 ok so you get down to 760 but when should you break off for an actual landing? at BWALT? pr when DME=circling radius for cat A? or fly over and do a VFR pattern and land from that? thx
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I see Garmin as very similar to Cirrus, not saying there is anything wrong with any of their products but their super power is marketing and getting their systems in as upgrade and OME equipment especially in the training environment. So many pilots have learned on them and may not even be aware of other manufacturers even they are viable options.
Good point - Garmin really has the market cornered.
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I see Avidyne is/has come out with new PFDs and probably a MFD as well that has SVT. The Avidyne Vantage. I'm wondering if it'll be able to be retrofitted to his airplane, since it seems it's based around the IFD FMS units. Would be a nice upgrade.
After their intro webcast, I emailed them to ask if they’d add the C441. No response. That has been an issue for me with Avidyne.
@@TIO540S1 I've heard that from other pilots as well. I'm no longer flying, haven't been for quite some time, and I doubt I'll be able to get my medical back, but I do like the looks of the Vantage units. I certainly would like to be able to see them go head to head against the G950Nxi system as far as a retrofit into older airplanes. Even in the Conquest, a two-display system with the IFDs would be a VERY capable system.
I hope that Avidyne responds to you soon and that in fact they are going to make it available beyond just the Entegra-equipped Cirrus aircraft, and sooner than later.
@@GaryMCurran Agreed!
my friend flew from sna to mia none stop with a tail wind it was radd.....
You’d think they’d start making them again, the baron survived.
If he has ADS-B he doesn’t need a RVSM certificate for operating in US, that reg was changed in January I believe. Only needed if he goes international. Nice panel.
Pretty sure you still need RVSM equip in US. You don’t need approval from local FSDO like before, but still need the equipment. Thanks for watching!
@@FlyingwithRich is the conquest not RVSM compliant?
It can be, but depends on equipment installed. The one in video is not RVSM.
@@FlyingwithRich That’s correct Rich. At some point (assuming funds are available) I’d like to have RVSM compliant equipment installed. The service ceiling on the airplane is 35,000. The Conquest II is more fuel efficient up there but not quite as fast.
Oh man....and I thought flying a 58 Baron was task-loaded!!
Why twin transponders? Thanks for the great vids --- just bought a Saratoga btw~
Redundancy. Nice choice on airplanes!
@@FlyingwithRich I figured as much - I didn't realize xpndrs went wonky as often as they do. TIL.
It has always interested me to how you pilots can understand the conversations between yourselves and the Tower and other planes , everything is rather fast and sounds gabbled , obviously this is where a pilot has to have higher interlect and brain power and obviously the long term training ,just my observation from watching .
Certainly a nice machine ,the long nose design,what does that area get used for ?baggage ?
Certainly a great day for the view
Cheers
It's just practice. Once you know the terminology it's a very easy language. Yes correct. The nose is for baggage.
Thought that was a picture of Cheyenne 3, not 400LS. Three props. :)
You're right. The editor tried his best ;)
I almost asked a dumb question, if it was a conversion. Very nice, never saw one. Seems they want you to have a single PT6 or a jet these days. 8( JMHO --gary
Very true. Conquest II is really an amazing plane - didn’t play well against early Citations - nearly as fast, much more fuel efficient and longer legs!
Do you fly San Diego?
i m joseph-donalde-paul in port orange spruce creek VILLAGE. i see many planes here. do i evr hav to hav a conquest 2 ?
In terms of actual IFR training and currency, which is better, flying with fogged glasses like this or flying in a professional full motion sim?
I think full motion sim is probably the best, but real airplane flying in actual or simulated IMC I think also very good to do for proficiency as well. Thanks for the message.
To what Rich said, I’d add that the sims available for the Conquest II at Simcom and Flight Safety are not nearly at the same level as those for Citations, Phenoms, and the like. That said, I’ll be at Flight Safety this week for recurrency training where there will be engine cuts at rotation, fires, single engine approaches with a miss at minimums, and all manner of emergencies that can’t be done in the airplane,
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Look at all those ships waiting and waiting to unload cargo. Wonder what caused all that?
Starts with Co and ends with Vid
Opinion on the C-425 Conquest I with PT-6's?
There's one that lives in OCR's hangar with my airplane and many others. I don't know who owns it and I've never been in it or in any C425. Maybe Rich has.
Great airplane too. Owner loves his and it has the Blackhawk engine conversion which they claim performs like a Conquest II. Smaller fuselage, Pratt’s instead of Garrett/Honeywell.
I was very sad when they Cessna stopped producing these. There is still a place for them in GA.
I think so but based on new prices for similar - makes you wonder what it would be priced at!
Hey Rich! Are you a DPE?
I am not a DPE - been on my mind to do it, have an application in, but no response from FAA!
Hey Rich how do you keep the go pros from overheating?
We don't 😂. It's actually one of our biggest issues. That's why ended up with one GoPro surviving till the landing.
Rich, are any of the cameras better regarding overheating and battery life than others, or are they all about the same?
@@AZee-hh4mk don't know. We use GoPros.
I don't know how possible it is to run usb cable safely in an airplane but that's one way to protect from overheating. You have to remove the battery for less heating and if you lose power obviously it shuts off.
What a good aviation school in Los Angeles area? Looking into getting my pilots license.
Which airport are you close to?
Is a IFR approach in clear conditions legal for currency
If view limiting device is worn, yes.
I honestly don’t know what airplane offers the storage capacity, storage size with fuel consumption with the speed that this offers.
Range is off the charts as well. I flew once from Wichita to John Wayne and had the fuel left to make Seattle!
Does this plane have counter rotating props ?
No.
@@FlyingwithRich Thank you !
Thanks for watching!
Nope
That pilot just looks like an intense guy - I would not want to come in 15 mins late with him being my manager
Rob is a very nice guy. When flying this machine you need to be very focused.
i was just making a funny or maybe a little ball busting
I know - all good. He’s a great guy and takes flying serious. We hope to do x/c video with him soon soon so we can show that beast stretching it’s legs.
@@FlyingwithRich I am just potentially starting out....amazing to see all of the pilots on here. Im on the older side but I might take the plunge. I was up twice and i was very very nervous (years apart). I am going up again in a few weeks and see how i feel. Thank you for all of the great content !
Have fun! Keep us posted.
The ATC is worse than the fast-food drive-through for understanding what they are saying.
Ha / that’s a good comparison!
nice rich ive fiown in a c2 and there sweet............................................................
I dunno, maybe I'm one of the outliers in the world, but although these videos are interesting to watch, I honestly don't want to be watching OTHERS doing this kind of stuff. I want to be doing it MYSELF. Your videos don't go into any detail (not even a smidge) about how these individuals really achieved this kind of wealth. Hell, even a Saratoga II is close to MILLION DOLLARS! And he's UPGRADED to a 441...... It gets exhausting looking at these machines and lifestyles, wondering what it REALLY took to get there. Like I said, I really don't want to be living through RUclips, I want to be doing it myself. Working for the last 30 years, following the standard mantra of getting educated, getting a meaningful job, and working my way up through the ranks, has never afforded (nor will it EVER afford) this lifestyle.
Do we all have to be entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors, insurance CEOs, or have had the personal social upbringing and resources to do this?? The few people I've actually met that can afford this, have ALL had some nefarious background in "realestate development"/city commission bribery or some business-swindle-related enterprise. It seems an honest living just doesn't cut it.
Rather than complain about my perspective, how about some real answers?
Nice view of all those cargo ships parked outside Long Beach. Let’s go Brandon!
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