Ironic, since Cyberpunk lore is also supposed to be real life lore with only a few alts sprinkled in, but when you have News Reporters talking about the recent number of deaths in Night City like it's some high score, I believe we've long left reality.
one of the main reasons why the original deus ex remains as one of the greatest creations of the cyberpunk genre, is that it refuses to use neons at all, yeah it might use some shiny lights and holograms, but overall the game keeps a somber and almost dead atmosphere, which makes sense considering it's dark plot.
Ever since I've played the first Deus ex game, it changed my perception of the world and the level of advancements that technology will bring in the coming decades. Genetics, AI, Robotics, human augmentation. Everything the game depicted is all slowly coming into fruitation. It won't come to a surpise if in the future, we see humans who upgrade augment into cyborgs akin to Adam Jenson and JC denton. I would be the first in line for augmentations once they exist
@@dohnjoe9211Except the external sources came out before the video game was even a concept and the video game is a sequel to said external sources, and all the major lore is in the game itself.
@@Warhammer_lover because they're not xd if you look for the origin of the Illuminati Conspiracy, you will start to seen everyone as an jackass for being prank by two authors from the seventies
"You ever think about how like the myth of icarus is like kinda like augmentation and the sun is people not liking augmentation " Wtf are you talking about adam
@@Jpow5734 Don't bother. I already told here that CP2077 is a part of bigger fiction, that is around since 1990s, that encompass multiple books. They called me stupid and ignorant. They are to far gone into their butts now.
I find it odd to compare the two franchises to each other since Mike Pondsmith and Warren Spector had completely different approaches to dystopian society. Most of the comments whining about Night City having neon everywhere completely miss the point of why Night City looks the way it does, and judging by many of the common talking points have never played 2077 or read any of the tabletop sourcebooks written by Mike Pondsmith.
The point people are making are between the Cyberpunk 2077 videogame and the Deus Ex videogames, so, even tho I liked Cybverpunk 2077 and played it from start to finish, it really doesn't go down that deep like Deus Ex does. I'm pretty sure Cyberpunk lore outside of the game is pretty good, but Cyberpunk's videogame story is about V and Johnny Silverhand themselves, and in Deus Ex it's mostly about the bigger picture and not the MC themselves.
To be fair, Pondsmith always seemed to be more about the *aesthetic* of cyberpunk than the themes of it. Which makes sense, in tabletop games, the Game Master runs the plot, so its up to them what they want to focus on, and whether to go systems/mechanics or RP focus. Night City is defined by its looks and presentation, most stuff in the game is. The main ethos is "style over substance" for a reason. Deus Ex, I'd argue, is just the opposite. The games look... janky to say the least, and the dialogue sounds kinda clunky, but in terms of its content? It's probably top 5 in "philosophical games".
@thewideduck5708 No it didn't lol. I've played all the Deus Ex games, original 2000 game included and I think Cyberpunk is much better in terms of story and themes.
@@cynicalmemester1694 Then I have not a single idea as to *why*, because even just considering the dialogue alone, Deus Ex seems to be the series more interested in making a statement. I'm not sure how you top a series literally founded on the principle of "our institutions are lying to us through the mass media and manufactured consent".
@@The_Nautilus_Project Are you messing with me? Rogue AI's that kill people via cyberware do in fact exist in Cyberpunk lore. The only difference is that in the world of Cyberpunk the organization known as Net Watch established an almost impenetrable firewall to prevent them from being released - which is theorized to fail at some point, whether we can see that happening in a new game is a different matter, but it does in fact exist conceptually within Cyberpunk lore.
@@adrianalicea6704 Ive played the board game (CB Red), and read the lore... Im not saying it doesnt exist, I said it doesn't kill nearly everyone. yes they exist, but that's not the point I was making. A MASS hack is one of the main plots of the deus ex franchise. Unlike cyberpunk, where it happens to individuals who are dumb enough to let it happen. I even said "I get what you mean"
@@The_Nautilus_Project Oh well then why bring it up? I never argued that the games have the same exact plot or universe. They're just extremely similar.
Mike Pondsmiths lore and world is amazing, better then Deus Ex as much as I love it, what Cd Project Red made (the neon dildo filled hightech cybercity) was a disgrace to the source material, and to all of gaming.
@@jacktonsauron8185 The game itself, by far, the lore I would say Mikes created a living, breathing city in ways no real cyberpunk anything, from Bladerunner to whatever has managed to do.
@@askoldnya It was a joke dude, no one was insulting anyone. No need to attach yourself to a corporate product and becoming insulted and suffer on their behalf
@@NJ-wb1cz cyberpunk is not cyberpunk 2077, 2077 is the fourth installment in the timeline, it's been around since the 80's...the lore is pretty damn good
Deus Ex is not just simpler but come on, the Illuminati is something everyone is obsessed with, making a series around that is just far more compelling than what CP2077 has and it's far off, hell Jensen Saga has a reachable story that could definitely happen irl by year his first game takes place.
No. As much as I like Deus Ex, it's lore is a shallow puddle, compared to Cyberpunk 2020/Red/2077 universe. @NotePage clearly never fact checked, before making this video.
Just because cyberpunk has a lot of lore doesn’t mean the lore is A) good or B) realistic Cyberpunk is supposed to be a what if sci fi future given the direction we’re headed. With Deus ex a lot of themes presented are realistic: the state of augmented people, the social and political tensions and economic issues that permeate in the present day Cyberpunk in contrast has a wildly unrealistic story with dated concepts, bad writing, and a shallow understanding of Cyberpunk. Even the man himself William Gibson viewed cyberpunk more as a GTA-like clone with some RPG elements rather than a true vision of a cyberpunk dystopia. Deus Ex is quality. Cyberjunk is quantity.
I think their focused in diferent things with some themes in comon like the humanity thing or the freedome, but their diferent and something the meme says is right, the cyberpunk 2077 the ambientation, story, narrative and lore are more Classic from the cyberpunk theme and deus ex is more diferent from the tipical cyberpunk stories.
@@Cybereagle4122 Hey, the game itself says it best, they're all about "style over substance." No idea how people can think of a world like that as "well written".
Actual Cyberpunk 2077: There is no point in fighting the system, you either leave or try to rock the world and burn out like a match, either way, you will be forgotten.
@@thewideduck5708 Rotten? Yup. That's the tragedy that makes Night City beautiful. It's a privatized urban hellscape that is rigged against everyone, even those is the upper echelons of society. Fighting against it is a wasted effort, just look at Johnny Silverhand. Silverhand used music and rebellion to expose the corruption of the megacorporations, yet 53 years after his death, he has fallen to irrelevance. Night City is the biggest poker table of them all and the house always wins. The only way you lose less in this game is to fold and leave the table with what chips you still have. This is why I don't think Cyberpunk is even about anti-establishment punks rockers. Most of these types of people either quit while they are still alive, become corpo shills, or end up in a shallow grave. Cyberpunk 2077 is imo, more about a society that is so fundamentally corrupt that there is nothing that can fix it short of nuking it off the map.
@@frankenwaifu8092 You're missing my point. This nihilist, "aw... nothing can change the system, all we can do is burn it all down..." is the sort of thinking all the corrupt institutions use to maintain said control. They WANT people to think that change is impossible, that everything is irreversibly and irredeemably broken. Silverhand is a great example of that. For all his rebellion, all his exposing the corruption, he's become either irrelevant, or worse, co-opted by the very system that he criticized. That's my issue with Cyberpunk. It absolutely *rejects* the possibility of true rebellion, real institutional change. "It's more about a society that is so fundamentally corrupt that there is nothing that can fix it short of nuking it off the map". I agree, which makes it all the more disappointing that the game doesn't let you. It's kind of an unhelpful message to say "fuck the system!" and then say "aw but nothing we do can change it, even revolution won't work!" Because like, what else are people gonna do, then? The game's story is still entertaining at times, but as a social critique, it falls a bit short because it can't deliver a solution. In a way, the game internalizes the city's own ethos: "There's no way out but to get ahead yourself."
I don't know if you're joking and this is bait or if you're being serious; in any case, the joke is terrible. Also, the lore of Cyberpunk consists of 36 years of TTRPG manuals.
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Deus ex lore is literally real life role
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@@squidwardtentacles244 In da fresh
Ironic, since Cyberpunk lore is also supposed to be real life lore with only a few alts sprinkled in, but when you have News Reporters talking about the recent number of deaths in Night City like it's some high score, I believe we've long left reality.
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 cyberpunk is more like 80s real life lore.
@@evilassjitnem
Basically every punk-punk genre like steam, atom ray, and stone are basically [insert retro time here] but if it was the future.
one of the main reasons why the original deus ex remains as one of the greatest creations of the cyberpunk genre, is that it refuses to use neons at all, yeah it might use some shiny lights and holograms, but overall the game keeps a somber and almost dead atmosphere, which makes sense considering it's dark plot.
Yeah and it's also more realistic since we don't have all that neon IRL
That’s how it’s likely to look in real life 2052. Dark streets, aged infrastructure, and dirty alleyways.
Ever since I've played the first Deus ex game, it changed my perception of the world and the level of advancements that technology will bring in the coming decades. Genetics, AI, Robotics, human augmentation. Everything the game depicted is all slowly coming into fruitation. It won't come to a surpise if in the future, we see humans who upgrade augment into cyborgs akin to Adam Jenson and JC denton. I would be the first in line for augmentations once they exist
Comparing Deus Ex lore to Cyberpunk 2020/Red/2077 lore is like comparing puddle to ocean. Hint: Deus Ex is puddle.
@@keeperofthefate your continuous spam will not change the fact that Cyberjunk is outdated and never explores themes of cyberpunk as well as Deus ex.
Cyberpunk is Baby's First Anti-capitalism.
Deus Ex is an Alex Jones fever dream of epic proportions.
Comparing Deus Ex lore to Cyberpunk 2020/Red/2077 lore is like comparing puddle to ocean. Hint: Deus Ex is puddle.
@@keeperofthefate you shouldn't have to consult external sources to supplement the game's lacking story.
@@dohnjoe9211Except the external sources came out before the video game was even a concept and the video game is a sequel to said external sources, and all the major lore is in the game itself.
tbf Invisible War is basically: Hehe bad corp and neon streets with tiny levels
Thats why Is the worst game
It’s still worth playing
Also Nanomachines, and Ship of Theseus.
@@iwuvu5940 yea if you like universal ammo, nerfed rpg mechanics, linear level designs and a sh1t plot than yea go for it😂
As far as I know, Deus Ex is like "what if all the conspiracies were real?"
“Conspiracies”
@@alexclipper7608 "facts"
well they arent not real
You say it, as if they aren't real.
@@Warhammer_lover because they're not xd if you look for the origin of the Illuminati Conspiracy, you will start to seen everyone as an jackass for being prank by two authors from the seventies
This video is lacking of another 10 million views.
"You ever think about how like the myth of icarus is like kinda like augmentation and the sun is people not liking augmentation "
Wtf are you talking about adam
"I never asked for this, but I never questioned it it either..."
-Adam "Smasher" Jensen
"I never asked for this, but I never didn't ask for it it either..."
-Adam "Smasher" Jensen
New Deus Ex lore: robot arms bad
Your vision is augmented.
E.Y.E. lore: *[menacingly hovering in the shadows]*
За это я и люблю серию Deus Ex
Деусекс хули
Tbh the Cyberpunk lore is way bigger than just what we see in Cyberpunk 2077
than*
@@funkydown Thank you sir
Guy who made this video obviously never even heard about Cyberpunk Role Play Game. He probably thinks that CDPR made entire universe.
Even just cyberpunk 2077 goes way deeper than what this guy is making it out to be.
@@Jpow5734 Don't bother. I already told here that CP2077 is a part of bigger fiction, that is around since 1990s, that encompass multiple books. They called me stupid and ignorant. They are to far gone into their butts now.
Great meme, im about to replay Deus ex now.
Chad Deus ex vs Virgin Cyberpunk
I am in love with this meme and return to it so very frequently
Um, Cyberpunk has 36 years of of lore evolution and countless RPG books.
I find it odd to compare the two franchises to each other since Mike Pondsmith and Warren Spector had completely different approaches to dystopian society.
Most of the comments whining about Night City having neon everywhere completely miss the point of why Night City looks the way it does, and judging by many of the common talking points have never played 2077 or read any of the tabletop sourcebooks written by Mike Pondsmith.
they need everything said directly to them like a 5 year old to understand the narrative. Hence why they don't like cyberpunk
The point people are making are between the Cyberpunk 2077 videogame and the Deus Ex videogames, so, even tho I liked Cybverpunk 2077 and played it from start to finish, it really doesn't go down that deep like Deus Ex does. I'm pretty sure Cyberpunk lore outside of the game is pretty good, but Cyberpunk's videogame story is about V and Johnny Silverhand themselves, and in Deus Ex it's mostly about the bigger picture and not the MC themselves.
To be fair, Pondsmith always seemed to be more about the *aesthetic* of cyberpunk than the themes of it. Which makes sense, in tabletop games, the Game Master runs the plot, so its up to them what they want to focus on, and whether to go systems/mechanics or RP focus.
Night City is defined by its looks and presentation, most stuff in the game is. The main ethos is "style over substance" for a reason. Deus Ex, I'd argue, is just the opposite. The games look... janky to say the least, and the dialogue sounds kinda clunky, but in terms of its content? It's probably top 5 in "philosophical games".
Deus Ex walked so Cyberpunk could run
more like crawl slowly behind it.
@@thewideduck5708 slowly walked behind Deus Ex?
@@Singlemethod4217 yea. I just think Deus Ex generally just... had a better story and explored it's themes more deeply
@thewideduck5708 No it didn't lol. I've played all the Deus Ex games, original 2000 game included and I think Cyberpunk is much better in terms of story and themes.
@@cynicalmemester1694 Then I have not a single idea as to *why*, because even just considering the dialogue alone, Deus Ex seems to be the series more interested in making a statement.
I'm not sure how you top a series literally founded on the principle of "our institutions are lying to us through the mass media and manufactured consent".
Absolute perfection.
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Deus ex lore just be like, the powers at be control the news trade the public everything
You forgot aliens
but well... corps are pretty bad, and the idea of an immortal fucking technocrat is just really smells bad
По факту
i see
That's terror
After hearing recent news, all I've got to say is...
Fuck
Hahaha based
When you learn that cyberpunk predates Deus ex by a decade and was the original cyberpunk rpg
*crying soyjack noises*
Ah yes because future technocorporate dystopias totally haven't existed in fictional media since like the 1950's.
yes but was cyberpunk written by a schizophrenic who thinks multiple government agencies are out to steal his soy food
The first of something isn't always its best iteration.
Facts.@@burnttoast26
2020>2045>2077
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if you think that's all cyberpunk is about you haven't played it lol
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bro what, their lore is almost identical
Cyberpunk didn't have a Rouge AI takeover/hack that killed nearly everyone with their own cyberware.... But I see what youre saying
@@The_Nautilus_Project Are you messing with me? Rogue AI's that kill people via cyberware do in fact exist in Cyberpunk lore. The only difference is that in the world of Cyberpunk the organization known as Net Watch established an almost impenetrable firewall to prevent them from being released - which is theorized to fail at some point, whether we can see that happening in a new game is a different matter, but it does in fact exist conceptually within Cyberpunk lore.
@@adrianalicea6704 Ive played the board game (CB Red), and read the lore... Im not saying it doesnt exist, I said it doesn't kill nearly everyone. yes they exist, but that's not the point I was making. A MASS hack is one of the main plots of the deus ex franchise. Unlike cyberpunk, where it happens to individuals who are dumb enough to let it happen. I even said "I get what you mean"
@@The_Nautilus_Project Oh well then why bring it up? I never argued that the games have the same exact plot or universe. They're just extremely similar.
@@adrianalicea6704 You said the lore was almost identical, and it definitely isn't 😊
Would have worked better if you'd have chosen the actually smart Deus Ex instead of this anime knockoff
what anime knocckoff ?
Mike Pondsmiths lore and world is amazing, better then Deus Ex as much as I love it, what Cd Project Red made (the neon dildo filled hightech cybercity) was a disgrace to the source material, and to all of gaming.
Deus ex is better
@@jacktonsauron8185 The game itself, by far, the lore I would say Mikes created a living, breathing city in ways no real cyberpunk anything, from Bladerunner to whatever has managed to do.
@@jacktonsauron8185 two different games, one is cyberpunk (cyberpunk 2077) the other is just sci fi (deus ex)
@@DinaricUbermenschSo Cyberpunk to you is constant sex innuendos and "muh corporations maaaaaan" got it
Funny how you show the new deus ex games because i feel like they suffer from the same problem of cyberpunk
Its cyber but not punk
Boooo give us original deus ex lore
Opinion of a person who doesn't know shit about cyperpunk universe:
Why would anyone fill their heads with shit?
@@askoldnya It was a joke dude, no one was insulting anyone. No need to attach yourself to a corporate product and becoming insulted and suffer on their behalf
@@askoldnya remind me of this in a year, then we can continue a more chill conversation
@@askoldnya its not that deep at all go take a walk
@@NJ-wb1cz cyberpunk is not cyberpunk 2077, 2077 is the fourth installment in the timeline, it's been around since the 80's...the lore is pretty damn good
Deus Ex is not just simpler but come on, the Illuminati is something everyone is obsessed with, making a series around that is just far more compelling than what CP2077 has and it's far off, hell Jensen Saga has a reachable story that could definitely happen irl by year his first game takes place.
No. As much as I like Deus Ex, it's lore is a shallow puddle, compared to Cyberpunk 2020/Red/2077 universe. @NotePage clearly never fact checked, before making this video.
Just because cyberpunk has a lot of lore doesn’t mean the lore is A) good or B) realistic
Cyberpunk is supposed to be a what if sci fi future given the direction we’re headed. With Deus ex a lot of themes presented are realistic: the state of augmented people, the social and political tensions and economic issues that permeate in the present day
Cyberpunk in contrast has a wildly unrealistic story with dated concepts, bad writing, and a shallow understanding of Cyberpunk. Even the man himself William Gibson viewed cyberpunk more as a GTA-like clone with some RPG elements rather than a true vision of a cyberpunk dystopia.
Deus Ex is quality. Cyberjunk is quantity.
I think their focused in diferent things with some themes in comon like the humanity thing or the freedome, but their diferent and something the meme says is right, the cyberpunk 2077 the ambientation, story, narrative and lore are more Classic from the cyberpunk theme and deus ex is more diferent from the tipical cyberpunk stories.
@@Cybereagle4122bro thinks cyberpunk 2077 is some kind of masterpiece lol. I can list 10 cyberpunk games that are way better than cp2077
Shadowrun Returns is better than 2077.
@@Cybereagle4122 Hey, the game itself says it best, they're all about "style over substance."
No idea how people can think of a world like that as "well written".
Cyberpunk: ehehehe look at me i'm rocker terrorist and i kill bad corp!!!11!!
Deus ex : "no one is really what they seem"
Actual Cyberpunk 2077: There is no point in fighting the system, you either leave or try to rock the world and burn out like a match, either way, you will be forgotten.
@@frankenwaifu8092 There is no point in fighting the system? What a rotten way to die!
@@thewideduck5708 Rotten? Yup. That's the tragedy that makes Night City beautiful. It's a privatized urban hellscape that is rigged against everyone, even those is the upper echelons of society. Fighting against it is a wasted effort, just look at Johnny Silverhand. Silverhand used music and rebellion to expose the corruption of the megacorporations, yet 53 years after his death, he has fallen to irrelevance. Night City is the biggest poker table of them all and the house always wins. The only way you lose less in this game is to fold and leave the table with what chips you still have.
This is why I don't think Cyberpunk is even about anti-establishment punks rockers. Most of these types of people either quit while they are still alive, become corpo shills, or end up in a shallow grave. Cyberpunk 2077 is imo, more about a society that is so fundamentally corrupt that there is nothing that can fix it short of nuking it off the map.
@@frankenwaifu8092 You're missing my point. This nihilist, "aw... nothing can change the system, all we can do is burn it all down..." is the sort of thinking all the corrupt institutions use to maintain said control. They WANT people to think that change is impossible, that everything is irreversibly and irredeemably broken. Silverhand is a great example of that. For all his rebellion, all his exposing the corruption, he's become either irrelevant, or worse, co-opted by the very system that he criticized. That's my issue with Cyberpunk. It absolutely *rejects* the possibility of true rebellion, real institutional change.
"It's more about a society that is so fundamentally corrupt that there is nothing that can fix it short of nuking it off the map". I agree, which makes it all the more disappointing that the game doesn't let you.
It's kind of an unhelpful message to say "fuck the system!" and then say "aw but nothing we do can change it, even revolution won't work!" Because like, what else are people gonna do, then? The game's story is still entertaining at times, but as a social critique, it falls a bit short because it can't deliver a solution. In a way, the game internalizes the city's own ethos: "There's no way out but to get ahead yourself."
@@frankenwaifu8092lame
I don't know if you're joking and this is bait or if you're being serious; in any case, the joke is terrible. Also, the lore of Cyberpunk consists of 36 years of TTRPG manuals.
i dont care