I was convinced by you to get my truck riding on air and just finished the rear. The front is next and the ac compressor conversion has been in the back of my mind too lol curious to see how you’re going to do that
Yup.. it's looking good.. I know lots of watchers on y.t ask and make their comments.. but for me I put soem bag in on a truck so what you're doing was my thoughts. Cut custom brackets.. great job bro. .
You make excellent videos, and the reasons is that you explain why and how your doing what your doing. I hate videos that don’t explain anything. Great Job!
Super big help for me. Thanks for the part #'s. I am building a 4wd Ford box truck. And I want f/r air suspension for more control / ride height. I will be ordering your 4 link kit too btw.
as i said before, i would love to have a plasma table. after learning how to use it, it would save me tons of time. what table do you recommend? love the addition of the ride height valve and dump feature.
I have a Premier Plasma table, it has a few quirks here and there but is so simple to go from idea to final part. The design software is the simplest I have used, I can go from sketching out simple parts to cut pieces in only a minute or 2. From designing the bag brackets I used to final product maybe took 30 minutes. Very useful tool. Hardest part is trying to load a 4x8 sheet of 1/4” on the thing haha
do the trucks you install these air ride systems on do a lot of bumper pulling? just wondering if theres any issues with the strain being localized above the axle instead of spread out by the leaf spring
That is no doubt a concern and I would say that if the vehicle will be doing nothing but heavy bumper pulling, consideration should be taken to either reinforce the frame or ultimately not convert the suspension. In my case, hence the way this setup is designed, I have no intention to pull anything substantial from the bumper hitch.
I've got a 47re that I either want to swap in a NV4500, NV5600, or g56. Truck will be rigged with a welding bed on 17's w/35 with 4.10 gears. I've got an exhaust brake with 4k gov springs and minor mods..mostly stock. I'm trying to figure out which would be best for a heavier rig. Do you have any recommendations? Keep up the great work!
It’s going to depend on the environment it’s being used in also. I’m partial to air springs because they are cheap(in comparison to coilovers) and offer the ability to maintain a ride height. The biggest downside is the more weight you add the more “roll” you’ll get so I suggest adding a rear sway bar for sure. I’ve build a rig without a rear sway bar (2wd truck) and it does ok but it could definitely be better.
Do all air bags have a internal bump stop so when the bag is 100% deflated the bag won’t be hurt? Also wondered this for when the truck will sit over time and not have air in the bags.
Hey brother, quick question for you I noticed a few videos ago you were using a different style of airbag. The question I have for you is which airbag do you prefer and also which airbag holds more weight and do you have any part numbers for both of these style bags I’m getting ready to do the same set up to my truck as well
Weight capacity depends on mostly diameter. The different “styles” of bags have some different characteristics on how they react to load and also the application will dictate what you can/can’t use, such as space, height, width, min/max travel. There really isn’t a quick answer to your question but in short, pick the style you want with the correct parameters in mind and make sure that it is large enough to carry the capacity of the vehicle. Example, 7” max diameter bag (pi r squared / 3.1416x3.5x3.5=38.4846sq”) at 100psi gives you a max lifting force of 3848.46lbs.
Yeah, I get all that. I was just wondering these particular bags what they were rated for weight wise and if you had a part number for this particular bag.
One thing wrong with that is the bars should NOT ever be actually parallel. That leaves an infinite instant center. Bars should be set to have an instant center at about the front bumper.
@@jasonfarnsworth5880 No, the instant center should be at the front bumper. The bars being perallel makes it an infinite instant center and is not good. Wow..
Your gooseneck ball is too far back. It should be about 8-12" in front the rear axle centerline. You have it positioned just past the axle centerline...
Don’t know where you’re getting your measurements but that’s definitely not right. Mine is on the axle (slight forward) but it’s that way for a reason I’ll have to explain at a later time.
@@j_moffitt It's not something you can just explain in a few words. Google it and there are plenty of diagrams on it. If you don't know what it is you shouldn't be doing suspension.
@@j_moffitt Look man, I like the work, like the video and how you did it. I like the use of the larger bags. That's the biggest thing people make a mistake on when doing air ride. Too small of a bag. You are using a big one and that's great. Much softer floating ride. But it also means it won't hook up on take off as much. You just need to adjust it to have the correct instant center. Read Max Fish's book on air ride and how to set it up. It's a great read. Basically looking at the 4 link from the side the bars are on a line. Extrapalate that line forward to the point where the two lines, they meet and that is your instant center point. On a drag car it would be at the back of the motor. On a bagged vehicle it's better to have it out front about the front bumper. It determines how well the vehicle plants when you take off.
100% agree but we’re talking about a work truck that was built to work, any kind of link suspension is better than leafs for road feel and hookup. Pinion angle is important to me and a parallel setup gives the most travel without changing that angle. This truck won’t be hitting the track anytime soon and the leveled/lifted nature of the truck would have required way more work to achieve an acceptable IC for the minimal gain it would give a 30y/o beater.
You can have the pinion angle not change at all and still have the instant center where it should be. Bars just have to be the same length. The bags are what I like most. Much better than a bellows type bag. So much better ride quality and so much more travel.
I respect a man who puts on his Sunday best to do fab work
Really nicely structured.. impressed by the center positioned air switch
I was convinced by you to get my truck riding on air and just finished the rear. The front is next and the ac compressor conversion has been in the back of my mind too lol curious to see how you’re going to do that
Been waiting for this one 🤙. I’ll definitely give the vigor bags a shot on my rig too when I build mine
Yup.. it's looking good.. I know lots of watchers on y.t ask and make their comments.. but for me I put soem bag in on a truck so what you're doing was my thoughts. Cut custom brackets.. great job bro. .
I like the bags being outside the frame and on top of the axle... thats what I was hoping to do with mine and now I know it fits that way 👍👍
After all that welding on the axel tube don't forget to remove the entire rear axel assy and check camber and toe in before headed on down the road.
Looks great! Love the videos! Keep ‘em coming!
You make excellent videos, and the reasons is that you explain why and how your doing what your doing. I hate videos that don’t explain anything. Great Job!
Super big help for me. Thanks for the part #'s.
I am building a 4wd Ford box truck. And I want f/r air suspension for more control / ride height. I will be ordering your 4 link kit too btw.
VIGOR AIR BAG IS GOOD
as i said before, i would love to have a plasma table. after learning how to use it, it would save me tons of time. what table do you recommend? love the addition of the ride height valve and dump feature.
I have a Premier Plasma table, it has a few quirks here and there but is so simple to go from idea to final part. The design software is the simplest I have used, I can go from sketching out simple parts to cut pieces in only a minute or 2. From designing the bag brackets I used to final product maybe took 30 minutes. Very useful tool. Hardest part is trying to load a 4x8 sheet of 1/4” on the thing haha
That sure is a sweet mag drill! Boy ur good at this, need you to do one on my 89 d250 😂😂
Send it on over lol
do the trucks you install these air ride systems on do a lot of bumper pulling? just wondering if theres any issues with the strain being localized above the axle instead of spread out by the leaf spring
Curious about that as-well. I’d imagine it should be fine considering you aren’t trying to pull super heavy loads
That is no doubt a concern and I would say that if the vehicle will be doing nothing but heavy bumper pulling, consideration should be taken to either reinforce the frame or ultimately not convert the suspension. In my case, hence the way this setup is designed, I have no intention to pull anything substantial from the bumper hitch.
I've got a 47re that I either want to swap in a NV4500, NV5600, or g56. Truck will be rigged with a welding bed on 17's w/35 with 4.10 gears. I've got an exhaust brake with 4k gov springs and minor mods..mostly stock. I'm trying to figure out which would be best for a heavier rig. Do you have any recommendations? Keep up the great work!
It’s going to depend on the environment it’s being used in also. I’m partial to air springs because they are cheap(in comparison to coilovers) and offer the ability to maintain a ride height. The biggest downside is the more weight you add the more “roll” you’ll get so I suggest adding a rear sway bar for sure. I’ve build a rig without a rear sway bar (2wd truck) and it does ok but it could definitely be better.
Noticed your kit could I put in front of truck but afraid of it hitting the links when fully turned
Would need modified for the front, if it was placed on the outside of the frame it would definitely rub
Do you think that kit is strong enough for a F450's load capacity?
Do all air bags have a internal bump stop so when the bag is 100% deflated the bag won’t be hurt? Also wondered this for when the truck will sit over time and not have air in the bags.
No, some do and some don’t.
Only question I have is how far left right does your axle move in suspension up and down?
About the same as the front axle.
i’ve been planning to lift my truck more using air bags a few concerns is will i still be able to tow and is the ride quality better, same, or worse?
Done properly, it is an upgrade all around
Hey brother, quick question for you I noticed a few videos ago you were using a different style of airbag. The question I have for you is which airbag do you prefer and also which airbag holds more weight and do you have any part numbers for both of these style bags I’m getting ready to do the same set up to my truck as well
Weight capacity depends on mostly diameter. The different “styles” of bags have some different characteristics on how they react to load and also the application will dictate what you can/can’t use, such as space, height, width, min/max travel. There really isn’t a quick answer to your question but in short, pick the style you want with the correct parameters in mind and make sure that it is large enough to carry the capacity of the vehicle. Example, 7” max diameter bag (pi r squared / 3.1416x3.5x3.5=38.4846sq”) at 100psi gives you a max lifting force of 3848.46lbs.
Yeah, I get all that. I was just wondering these particular bags what they were rated for weight wise and if you had a part number for this particular bag.
One thing wrong with that is the bars should NOT ever be actually parallel. That leaves an infinite instant center. Bars should be set to have an instant center at about the front bumper.
Debatable
What are you talking about? They should always run parallel.
@@jasonfarnsworth5880 No, the instant center should be at the front bumper. The bars being perallel makes it an infinite instant center and is not good. Wow..
Define “not good”.
Yall need to read some books on suspension. Bars should never be parallel on a bagged setup.
Do you think that you will paint the frame
Already done
You should paint your dodge Cummins 3500 in Gray raptor liner
Could you have done a watts link with this suspension set up?
Surely
Who made your bag mounts?
I made them.
Vigor website or at least the link in the description doesn’t give any specifications for the bags. What’s up with that?
Not sure, but if you search the Firestone crossover it should give you some schematics.
how do you figure out pinion angle and what should it be ?
The video before this one I explain it a bit.
Is there any chance you can make and sell me some of those air bag mounts and 4 link mounts? Pretty please?
There is a chance, send me an email.
Up to code, work talk coming out.
Yee Haw 🤠
Bravo👍
Your gooseneck ball is too far back. It should be about 8-12" in front the rear axle centerline. You have it positioned just past the axle centerline...
Don’t know where you’re getting your measurements but that’s definitely not right. Mine is on the axle (slight forward) but it’s that way for a reason I’ll have to explain at a later time.
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Nope. Air ride needs the instant center at the front bumper. You don't even know what that means.
Been waiting for your explanation that you’re so adamant about. Define “not good”.
@@j_moffitt It's not something you can just explain in a few words. Google it and there are plenty of diagrams on it. If you don't know what it is you shouldn't be doing suspension.
@@j_moffitt Look man, I like the work, like the video and how you did it. I like the use of the larger bags. That's the biggest thing people make a mistake on when doing air ride. Too small of a bag. You are using a big one and that's great. Much softer floating ride. But it also means it won't hook up on take off as much. You just need to adjust it to have the correct instant center. Read Max Fish's book on air ride and how to set it up. It's a great read. Basically looking at the 4 link from the side the bars are on a line. Extrapalate that line forward to the point where the two lines, they meet and that is your instant center point. On a drag car it would be at the back of the motor. On a bagged vehicle it's better to have it out front about the front bumper. It determines how well the vehicle plants when you take off.
100% agree but we’re talking about a work truck that was built to work, any kind of link suspension is better than leafs for road feel and hookup. Pinion angle is important to me and a parallel setup gives the most travel without changing that angle. This truck won’t be hitting the track anytime soon and the leveled/lifted nature of the truck would have required way more work to achieve an acceptable IC for the minimal gain it would give a 30y/o beater.
You can have the pinion angle not change at all and still have the instant center where it should be. Bars just have to be the same length. The bags are what I like most. Much better than a bellows type bag. So much better ride quality and so much more travel.