You seriously have the best, most approachable voice/style of explanation of anyone doing videos for the FGC. You're great at making things easy to digest without talking down to newbs or making everything too complex. Learned a lot watching this and your other vids. Thank you for your contribution to the game community. :)
I don't do the raising sun combo just because the super jump after the H teleport is really weird timing. I just do a SUPER simple: L,M,H,->H,S,H,S,a.M,a.M,a.H.a.down H, df H, super. Does about 530-585k damage depending on screen positioning. Almost impossible to drop even in lag.
@soulreaperx7x it's because you must perform dimensional slash with M+H or L+M+H, if you do it with L+H the super never comes out, all of this because 3H only can be cancelled into the trick (H), when you do the M+H or L+M+H inputs you are actually "buffer" the super and it comes out inmediatly after the trick cancel.
We use a blackmagic intensity shuttle. As far as hulk goes, Most of his moves are unsafe even at push block distance. Either bait attack then whiff punish or try to get him on start up which may be a bit more difficult. Don't get cornered and you should be fine.
thanks for video ill not opt to have rising sun as bnb, seen so many ppl screwing up the timing at tournaments, being nervous really screw that up imo, just get an assist for the otgs
Press H right after the second hit of the rising sun, and you will get the teleport. Right after the teleport, do your super jump, Vergil will super jump as soon as he is allowed to. Then continue with your M, H, S or whatever you're going in to.
left out ammy cold star as you can time a crossup after the first hit gets blocked...gogo hitting from bothsides. dante crystal assist isdamn near equal to weaselshot butit also gives you an OTG and lets you shain SCSS after already using your ground bounce, or SCSCSCS if you havent. Rising sun isnt bad with dante, you can teleport for a crossup then combo with jump S.vergils crouching heavy is actually his safest normal. Helm breaker is cancelable into S and specials...
Dude awesome tutorials. Just want to say you guys do awesome job :> Funny, I just learned that Dante's Weasel shot is a good assist for him. Makes since because I just seen IFC Yipes own with it agaisnt Fanatic
You prolly already know this but just making sure, i think dantes crystal assist is better that weasel shot cuz iv'e seen people use it at the end of a combo and after it hits they use lunar phase to extend it.
Im not sure if you pointed this out but just like Dante's Devil Trigger you gradually recover health in Vergil's Devil Trigger, and the healing rate stacks when on the sidelines.
Dark Angel does so much damn damage because it costs so much damn meter. You forgot to mention that you have to be in Devil Trigger, technically making it a Level 4 hyper.
Anybody got any tips for comboing with Rising Sun in to an air combo? I know people have posted before, but it is driving me crazy how much trouble getting the air combo afterwords. I can do Rising Sun, then teleport cancel with H to the ground, but I am having trouble with getting him to do the super jump to get high enough to pull off the air combo more consistently.
These guides are really helpful. I didn't really know that Vergil got that much from DT besides the air dash and the lv3. I hope that you guys decide to do these for the original cast as well. Look forward to seeing more vids.
Sorry if it sounds stupid but i cant do the J,H after the trick after the rising sun(combo#1), every time that i try to get the enemy in the air i fail because the jump doesn't reach... Can someone help me?
about vergil's rising sun assist, i actually found it to be handy for getting resets in the corner after dante's fireworks (i use viper's thunder knuckle assist in this fashion too). after the opponent air techs you can try for a reset by sending out rising sun and teleporting behind the opponent while it's active
is there a certian trick for combo from 3H to Dimension Slash? i can never get dimension slash to come out after i do 3H to pick up the opponent in the air even though i do the right inputs.
Aye, but then it's one of those assists that will only work in that circumstance, whilst rapid slash is one those assists that can be used in a hell a load of scenarios. Still I see your point.
thanx so much for this man! its really amped ma gamae. i play the vita version and though the controls are a bit harder its still fun. Im a fighter ranked player but i feel like i can take on a few lower lords liike 8th or 7th. I ran into a 5th lord during a player match. we went thru 4 matches. he beat me in all except the last one. the moment i beat him, he just disconnected. I really hate rage quitters :
Can you guys give me a hint on high to time the s. jump during the BnBs? I understand that I should do it but I'm having trouble deciding when. Is it like Dante's cancels where I have to space it out or can I just throw it out after the teleport. Thanks for all the Vergil info btw. I had no idea I could cancel like that in DT.
i don't like using assists at all are their any combos wit vergil that can go up to 80hts without an assist i like vergil alot but his beowolf kick combo iz hard to connect i use him on the ps3 i try to jump but it wont connect why
I was having problems, but I can do it 90% of the time now. I think the reason why I was having problems in the first place, were because I also use Dante. I had to change things up with his bold cancel combo to be able to do Vergils, since the timing and such are so similar :)
@masose8 You can actually cancel Helm Breaker in the air into one of his air specials if it's blocked. The most popular move to cancel into from HB is 236L+L because of it's invincibility frames and instant recovery on landing.
Aww yeah, I've been known to go there when things are looking bleak - and yes it does work. Your opponent won't believe you'll do it over and over and over and over again lolz
@fingercramp, Virgil's j.M, j.H, s.H and s.S can kill projectiles if they are well timed e.g. zero's fully charged buster shot, strider's formation B shot and Dr Doom's plasma beam. He can also cut through Nova's qcf+h gravimetric pulse H(even red life one) and ghost rider's B+H(heartless spire) for a nice bnb combo :)
Ok so I can do all of the setups with Vergil and begin combos but when it comes to things like teleporting but I can't seem to keep them going. I go to do a move and do something completely different. Also I can only do combos when I am on the left side with stick but I have to use the dpad when I am on the right. I am a tekken player moztly and this is a difficult transition for me. Any tips?
So a couple things I noticed that you didn't mention...Judgement cut assist becomes very good if you use a shin-ko/arthur type strategy by activating and then switching vergil out. It retains the massive size.
u didnt really miss this because it wasnt well known when this was made but rapid slash puts them into spin state no matter how long the combo scaling doesnt effect it also im not sure but i think u forgot the otg command normal (down forward hard)
So fingercramp i have one question i play fighting games alot i understand the terms and all that good stuff however i have never understood "frame traps" can you explain that to me please? :o
You should read sirlin's "playing to win." What if I were to claim that the way the game was "intended" to be played was without ever pressing the "h" button? It would be just as ridiculous as your claim that it was "intended" to be played without pressing "atk + atk, down" which is all that wavedashing is. If they meant for you to not be able to get a certain action by pressing a sequence of buttons, then why the heck did capcom even make fighting games to begin with?
Im having a lot of trouble cancelling vergils "high time" into his full screen super. The teleport is always too late. Same with his shoryuken move, and if i get the teleport and can jump i only land 2 normals before the combo is dropped.
@K66famous QCF is just as obnoxious as the number system to write, except the number system also let's us describe all motions simply save maybe Half circle, though I would just call it hadoken >_>. Honestly either way is fine based on how you learned the game, but I understand your frustration.
The criticism isn't applied to UMVC3 since the overall negativity towards wavedashing is attributed to the obnoxious elitism the competitive players display when trying to turn Super Smash Bros into something it's not.
@Vivaldi290 ur talking to a pro player here and one of his mains u really think he is gonna miss something as basic as that, thats for scrubs not people who want big damage
its not impossible just requires practice. right before he leaps up you quickly input down down special. when you master it TRUST me dantes possibilities=ENDLESS!!!!
@fingercramp Hey, I saw you play Trish in a tournament :D I was just wondering, what made you wanna pick her up? She's got pretty low damage and is totally underused... I'm interested because she's been on my main team since vanilla day one, when I didn't even know what a hypercombo was, just because she's a favourite of mine from Devil May Cry (one of my favourite franchises ever). Great fun against Weskers, too :D
+XxExtremeSamX Its basically Marvel vs Capcom 3 with more playable characters. They're not downloadble tho. If you want all the characters you need to buy UMvC3.
You didn't go into the details of inputs of each moves, how is this a tutorial on BnBs and such if you don't mention the inputs? At the bottom obviously we can see the directions, but the combos are crazy on UMVC3 that not everyone can keep up with what moves take what button inputs.
Joe Momma Are you? Commenting on something that was posted almost a full month ago and clearly didn't even watch the video yourself, also your name is "Joe Momma" clearly showing you're around the age of a 12 year old, fucking grow up internet warrior.
Anyone remember the last boss of DMC3? Vergil at 25% health spammed teleport into helm breaker. No wonder its so safe in this game.
good tutorial. pretty much a whole rundown of vergil
best tutorial yet
You seriously have the best, most approachable voice/style of explanation of anyone doing videos for the FGC. You're great at making things easy to digest without talking down to newbs or making everything too complex. Learned a lot watching this and your other vids. Thank you for your contribution to the game community. :)
I don't do the raising sun combo just because the super jump after the H teleport is really weird timing. I just do a SUPER simple:
L,M,H,->H,S,H,S,a.M,a.M,a.H.a.down H, df H, super. Does about 530-585k damage depending on screen positioning. Almost impossible to drop even in lag.
Def. suscribed bro
@soulreaperx7x it's because you must perform dimensional slash with M+H or L+M+H, if you do it with L+H the super never comes out, all of this because 3H only can be cancelled into the trick (H), when you do the M+H or L+M+H inputs you are actually "buffer" the super and it comes out inmediatly after the trick cancel.
To be fair, Street Fighter II's combo system was a glitch that paved the way for modern fighting games.
We use a blackmagic intensity shuttle.
As far as hulk goes, Most of his moves are unsafe even at push block distance.
Either bait attack then whiff punish or try to get him on start up which may be a bit more difficult. Don't get cornered and you should be fine.
@MarkusArx Thanks man. I'll go to the lab and try that.
thanks for video
ill not opt to have rising sun as bnb, seen so many ppl screwing up the timing at tournaments, being nervous really screw that up imo, just get an assist for the otgs
I'm just watching this because my Lil brother gets cocky with his Spam Dormammu Arrow thing.
Press H right after the second hit of the rising sun, and you will get the teleport.
Right after the teleport, do your super jump, Vergil will super jump as soon as he is allowed to. Then continue with your M, H, S or whatever you're going in to.
Oh ya, and the other thing is that Rapid Slash assist doesn't hit cross up like the normal move. It's a forward block making it way less tricky.
@MarkusArx so im canceling the teleport into dimension slash and not the 3H?
left out ammy cold star as you can time a crossup after the first hit gets blocked...gogo hitting from bothsides. dante crystal assist isdamn near equal to weaselshot butit also gives you an OTG and lets you shain SCSS after already using your ground bounce, or SCSCSCS if you havent. Rising sun isnt bad with dante, you can teleport for a crossup then combo with jump S.vergils crouching heavy is actually his safest normal. Helm breaker is cancelable into S and specials...
I'm having trouble doing a rapid slash into spiral swords. It seems when I try to set up the loops I go into devil trigger instead :((
Dude awesome tutorials. Just want to say you guys do awesome job :>
Funny, I just learned that Dante's Weasel shot is a good assist for him.
Makes since because I just seen IFC Yipes own with it agaisnt Fanatic
You prolly already know this but just making sure, i think dantes crystal assist is better that weasel shot cuz iv'e seen people use it at the end of a combo and after it hits they use lunar phase to extend it.
9:23 Man, I love me some Oreorobos for breakfast.
Im not sure if you pointed this out but just like Dante's Devil Trigger you gradually recover health in Vergil's Devil Trigger, and the healing rate stacks when on the sidelines.
pro tip: pause video to study
i want to know why serve-bot would rather play with snow and now fight....awesome guide bro...
Thank you dude :D
Dark Angel does so much damn damage because it costs so much damn meter. You forgot to mention that you have to be in Devil Trigger, technically making it a Level 4 hyper.
Anybody got any tips for comboing with Rising Sun in to an air combo? I know people have posted before, but it is driving me crazy how much trouble getting the air combo afterwords. I can do Rising Sun, then teleport cancel with H to the ground, but I am having trouble with getting him to do the super jump to get high enough to pull off the air combo more consistently.
These guides are really helpful. I didn't really know that Vergil got that much from DT besides the air dash and the lv3. I hope that you guys decide to do these for the original cast as well. Look forward to seeing more vids.
Sorry if it sounds stupid but i cant do the J,H after the trick after the rising sun(combo#1), every time that i try to get the enemy in the air i fail because the jump doesn't reach...
Can someone help me?
about vergil's rising sun assist, i actually found it to be handy for getting resets in the corner after dante's fireworks (i use viper's thunder knuckle assist in this fashion too). after the opponent air techs you can try for a reset by sending out rising sun and teleporting behind the opponent while it's active
is there a certian trick for combo from 3H to Dimension Slash? i can never get dimension slash to come out after i do 3H to pick up the opponent in the air even though i do the right inputs.
Hey, I have one simple qustion, how do you counter and attack Hulk in melee range? his armor just make it impossible and how you record your videos?
Can't wait to see you get bodied at Barfights!
Aye, but then it's one of those assists that will only work in that circumstance, whilst rapid slash is one those assists that can be used in a hell a load of scenarios.
Still I see your point.
@Shockeled You have to super jump.
thanx so much for this man! its really amped ma gamae. i play the vita version and though the controls are a bit harder its still fun. Im a fighter ranked player but i feel like i can take on a few lower lords liike 8th or 7th. I ran into a 5th lord during a player match. we went thru 4 matches. he beat me in all except the last one. the moment i beat him, he just disconnected. I really hate rage quitters :
why most of this move dont work for me???
I'm pretty sure this is still relevant even today
Can you guys give me a hint on high to time the s. jump during the BnBs? I understand that I should do it but I'm having trouble deciding when. Is it like Dante's cancels where I have to space it out or can I just throw it out after the teleport. Thanks for all the Vergil info btw. I had no idea I could cancel like that in DT.
4:55 lunar phase
So what do you press to tranform
Vergil can use his spiral sword qcf s to do a mix up thats very hard to block.
i don't like using assists at all are their any combos wit vergil that can go up to 80hts without an assist i like vergil alot but his beowolf kick combo iz hard to connect i use him on the ps3 i try to jump but it wont connect why
I was having problems, but I can do it 90% of the time now. I think the reason why I was having problems in the first place, were because I also use Dante. I had to change things up with his bold cancel combo to be able to do Vergils, since the timing and such are so similar :)
@masose8 You can actually cancel Helm Breaker in the air into one of his air specials if it's blocked. The most popular move to cancel into from HB is 236L+L because of it's invincibility frames and instant recovery on landing.
Aww yeah, I've been known to go there when things are looking bleak - and yes it does work. Your opponent won't believe you'll do it over and over and over and over again lolz
I'm having issues comboing Rising Sun into air H. Do you have to super jump to do it?
An updated guide would b great
Hey jago, why cant i cancel vergil normals when they miss? Am i missing something?
@fingercramp, Virgil's j.M, j.H, s.H and s.S can kill projectiles if they are well timed e.g. zero's fully charged buster shot, strider's formation B shot and Dr Doom's plasma beam. He can also cut through Nova's qcf+h gravimetric pulse H(even red life one) and ghost rider's B+H(heartless spire) for a nice bnb combo :)
you bold cancel and during the animation of bold cancel you teleport
What I can't do consistently is the Rising Sun into Killer Bee...any advice in getting the timing down?
The lunar move is called lunar phase
Ok so I can do all of the setups with Vergil and begin combos but when it comes to things like teleporting but I can't seem to keep them going. I go to do a move and do something completely different. Also I can only do combos when I am on the left side with stick but I have to use the dpad when I am on the right. I am a tekken player moztly and this is a difficult transition for me. Any tips?
Side note: Anybody, noticed that DT Vergil has Bram Stoker's Dracula's hear due? kinda cool!!!
it's for PS3. L M and H are the attacks
probably. he does good with lockdown assists.
So a couple things I noticed that you didn't mention...Judgement cut assist becomes very good if you use a shin-ko/arthur type strategy by activating and then switching vergil out. It retains the massive size.
u didnt really miss this because it wasnt well known when this was made but rapid slash puts them into spin state no matter how long the combo scaling doesnt effect it also im not sure but i think u forgot the otg command normal (down forward hard)
@MarkusArx dude, thank you so much thats exactly what i needed, i can finally do the combo, thanks again,
Does it require impossible input speeds, because every time I input special+atk then try to teleport, I will always do the leap, but no teleport.
@masose8 you can bold cancel when it hits the ground.
@Shockeled After DP+L mash H for trick and super jump
half circle back super
@jteenking He used the term "hurtbox" correctly. Maybe you should learn what it means before you blast his tutorial.
So fingercramp i have one question i play fighting games alot i understand the terms and all that good stuff however i have never understood "frame traps" can you explain that to me please? :o
Whats up with that team synergy vid?
@rykendawg pretty sure he uses team DMC.
You should read sirlin's "playing to win."
What if I were to claim that the way the game was "intended" to be played was without ever pressing the "h" button? It would be just as ridiculous as your claim that it was "intended" to be played without pressing "atk + atk, down" which is all that wavedashing is. If they meant for you to not be able to get a certain action by pressing a sequence of buttons, then why the heck did capcom even make fighting games to begin with?
but the bs (items) are turned off in tournament play. you can't win off randomness
Im having a lot of trouble cancelling vergils "high time" into his full screen super. The teleport is always too late. Same with his shoryuken move, and if i get the teleport and can jump i only land 2 normals before the combo is dropped.
Are you planning on making a Umvc3 tutorial for Trish since she is one of your mains?
Dang, how do you do Dante's teleport right after stinger?
How do I swipe up with the sword while someone's on the ground ?
what mean ATK? i know M S H L. please answer me this is my first day on this game. i cant figure it out. HELP :|
Not necessarily a glitch, because if it was a glitch dont you think it wouldve been patched. Long ago
Sorry im new to the game. What does ST. and CR. mean?
@K66famous QCF is just as obnoxious as the number system to write, except the number system also let's us describe all motions simply save maybe Half circle, though I would just call it hadoken >_>. Honestly either way is fine based on how you learned the game, but I understand your frustration.
It may be an exploit in SSBM but not in UMVC3.
The criticism isn't applied to UMVC3 since the overall negativity towards wavedashing is attributed to the obnoxious elitism the competitive players display when trying to turn Super Smash Bros into something it's not.
Akuma's tatsu and Frank's shopping cart also help Vergil
@Vivaldi290 ur talking to a pro player here and one of his mains u really think he is gonna miss something as basic as that, thats for scrubs not people who want big damage
@Uberboy07 Thank you for watching. Weasel shot and vergil is a problem. Enjoy!
finally
its not impossible just requires practice. right before he leaps up you quickly input down down special. when you master it TRUST me dantes possibilities=ENDLESS!!!!
@fingercramp Hey, I saw you play Trish in a tournament :D
I was just wondering, what made you wanna pick her up? She's got pretty low damage and is totally underused...
I'm interested because she's been on my main team since vanilla day one, when I didn't even know what a hypercombo was, just because she's a favourite of mine from Devil May Cry (one of my favourite franchises ever). Great fun against Weskers, too :D
Morrigan Vergil Doctor Doom
Love My Team *U*
@Kingcaleb100 well when you make your own tutorials, you can pronounce it correctly.until then hold that oryeobos
What's the music? I'm loving this!
@Kingcaleb100 that would be ouroboros ;p
Dude it's Helm Breaker...
yep, other than that one circumstance it's pretty useless
How do you memorize all of this...
Pro-tip: Pause video to study.
St means standing and Cr means crouching so if its cr. A/L do a crouching L
Devil Trigger also gains health.
Edit SCSCS not SCSS
You forgot to include how to do df.H into super, that's pretty important
amy cold star vergil rising sun and dante jam session
is umvc3 just mvc3 with all dlcs?
+XxExtremeSamX Its basically Marvel vs Capcom 3 with more playable characters. They're not downloadble tho. If you want all the characters you need to buy UMvC3.
Felipe Melo yeah i ended up getting umvc3 in feb haha
lol
You didn't go into the details of inputs of each moves, how is this a tutorial on BnBs and such if you don't mention the inputs? At the bottom obviously we can see the directions, but the combos are crazy on UMVC3 that not everyone can keep up with what moves take what button inputs.
ALSO you never explained the super jump technique after you do the light DP motion, all in all a trash tutorial.
Joe Momma Are you? Commenting on something that was posted almost a full month ago and clearly didn't even watch the video yourself, also your name is "Joe Momma" clearly showing you're around the age of a 12 year old, fucking grow up internet warrior.
Com- PleX yet you commmented on a video that was posted 5 years ago lmao I'm done
Com- PleX still proved my point lol it's ok
Com- PleX lol you tried way too hard to insult me. no need for me to reply anymore.