Why The 455HP V60 Polestar is Struggling to Keep FAST Wagons Alive.
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- This is the 2024 Volvo V60 Polestar, or Recharge, depending who you ask. It is Volvo's definitive super wagon for now but soon it may be replaced with something less inviting for the driving enthusiast who's looking for the ultimate daily-driveable sensory experience with pistons under the hood. Enjoy!
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0:00 Intro
1:11 Lectron Sponsor
1:48 Powertrain and Drive Modes
6:11 Polestar Features - Interior
7:15 The Polestar Problem - Other features
11:06 Gearbox Behavior in Polestar Engineered Drive Mode
12:44 Ride Quality & Steering - Addressing your fears
14:14 The Competition
The Last Circuit. 
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As a yank living in Europe I can assure you that wagons are not dying here! Just look at what Audi BMW and Mercedes are producing.
still getting very slowly displaced by SUVs, obviously not comparable to North America but its a trend thats starting to
Sadly, Volvo are leading the charge. V series aren’t available in the UK anymore
dont forget the octavia vRS ;D
i mean even peugeot got a 450hp wagon
@@jra55417 but they aren't, it's the customers who are leading the change. In the UK the wagons accounted for less than 10% of sales, despite wagons being 35% of Volvos model lineup. Meanwhile the XC60 stood for over 40% of sales, so it's pretty obvious why it isn't economically worth for Volvo to keep selling the wagons there.
Gosh that thing is gorgeous
Couldn't agree more.
Just another v60
It really isn’t.
Would buy if it wasn't 70k. 10k too much.
I get mine Friday!! 43 year old with 2 kids, 2 dogs and don’t like SUV’s is who is buying these.
You'll love it. Rare breed indeed!
I’m exactly in the same position (minus a dog)! I’ve had mine for a year now. The car is practical, powerful and efficient. You’ll love it!
Same personal details but I own a 2015 v60 t6 rdesign.
Sleeper wagons are perfect for the discreet and discerning individual who wants quiet speed, luxury and space without all the flash and bloat of a showy ride.
I don’t have any kids or dogs but I’m still designing between this one and the s60 recharge ultimate black edition white crystal 2024 but I like the polestar that’s why I would go for this one and also I like to travel from Florida to Tennessee and I want a very comfortable drive
Dude I feel this completely! 38 myself same situation tho. I hate SUVs so much. Own a 19 v60 twin charged model myself. Looking to trade up this year or next before they stop sales of it in Canada.
Thanks for getting turbo part right. Most reviewer still think it is supercharged and turbocharged
This car is handsome AF and fits the bill and specs for me as an upgrade to my 10 year old S60 T6 Polestar. Keep sport-wagons alive!
You asked who buys these? I have had 5 Volvos. I traded my much-loved 2017 V90cc in for this vehicle. Criteria: I do NOT like SUV type vehicles; I did not want a sedan. I wanted a plug-in hybrid station wagon. I wanted something a little smaller than the V90cc. I believe I had two choices - this or a Porsche ($$). I already had the sound system, etc. included in this wagon. If Volvo had significantly increased gas mileage on its ice vehicles; if Volvo offered the phev V90 in North America I would have gone with one of the two. Their mild hybrid gave little to no increase in mpg than I was already getting. This was the only option available that fit my criteria and was affordable.
I have a 22.5 V60PSE and it’s the best vehicle I’ve ever owned; truthfully. It does everything so well and no issues whatsoever. A wonderful piece of engineering!
Had a 2021V60 Polestar and traded for More powerful longer range 2023 V60 Polestar. NEVER ONCE did I ever feel inclined to adjust the suspension from how it came. Not once. Handles fantastic. Ride is comfortable. And no one I know takes their car to the track. My V60 gets more looks and compliments than my friends do in their BMWs etc.And I get 40 miles all electric range. And then there is the perk that in USA, we get $7500 incentive (plus factory and state incentives). Love it!
What’s the incentive?
So here’s another profile of a buyer for this wagon. My wife is a track day junkie (like me) and runs a heavily modded E36 M3. Like others, she doesn’t like SUVs but wants a vehicle that handles well. Comfort was also a top criteria for her and these seats are some of the best we’ve ever tried. She has a 10 mile commute to work so she can go pure EV mode. We’ve had the car for 3 weeks and have not used any gas! The suspension adjustability is a weird, but the stock setup is good and if you know you are planning a mountain run, you could adjust before you leave. Besides, some people find joy in fiddling and don’t mind something that’s a little different. Agree on the lack of shift paddles but she nerve used them in her last car. So, I’ll admit that her profile is unique but reading the other comments, not that unique.
As a long time SAAB 9⁵ Sportcombi owner, I never thought anything could touch the seats comfort.
My 16 V60 Premier is like 99% of the way there. I was shocked how good Volvo interiors are. It is definitely more solid feeling.
Volvo seats have always been good. Comfortable and more importantly very safe, much like Saab that were at the forefront of excellent seat safety as well
fun fact- volvo seats *WERE* made using the same leather found in bentley, rolls royce etc. couldn't say about the modern cars though
these cars are gorgeous
Agreed
Used to own a 2019 v60. tight and agile wagon, which is surprisingly fun in the corners. Ended up swapping it for a BMW 530e sedan, and two years down the road i'm still questioning the decision. The v60 is way more sporty, but the comfort levels in the BMW is miles ahead.
underrated Volvo review
Getting a recharge and having to get the polestar engineered, depends on the market. In many markets There is a T6 recarge, a T8 recharge, and a Recharge “PE”. The T8 is actually same drive train as the PE, minus the yellow bits and the adaptive suspension (which most change once, free of charge, at the dealer, and never again - especially the rear that is a bitch to access!!). In some markets, like Holland , Volvo is actually discontinued the PE version as of Model year 2025 (price lists just came out for many markets as the model year 2024 is already sold out)…
I own the previous gen plug-in-hybrid V60 D6 which came with the 5 cylinder 2.4 diesel combined with the electric motor.
It has "only" 290 hp and 610 Nm but I do not think I would change it for this 2 liter 4 cylinder.
Been waiting for this vid since your ig story on this car. Really deserves more views on the videos!
Mine 😉 ruclips.net/video/_mf1Pc_HN4Q/видео.htmlsi=YU5kZxK9M1FCPWEm
Such a BEAUTIFUL wagon!
Super nice. I just ordered a polestar 3. 517 horsepower and 671 torque. But still imprr free see to see the power they can get out of that v60
Yeah, no more needed for a street car in 99% of scenarios but of course more torque is always fun to play with.
i heard those are new, would love an update on how the 3 is!
The 850 R has a lot to answer for !
Wagons are such great cars, love my saab 95
Own a 19 V60 in Canada myself. Planning to trade up to this beauty before they do cancel them all together.
In fact this IS a ZF 8HP Gearbox, i got a T8 myself and those ARE the same gearboxes in another housing and different mappings...
its easy to shut down speed limiter you should use rica tuning specially into volvos
Mine arrives in a couple weeks! Also in BC. Looking for recommendations for 3rd party wheels for a set of snow tires. OEM is $$$$ (naturally)
19” Niche Misano M117s with Michelin X-Ice rubber. 3 mil minimum spacers and TR412 “stubby” valve stems needed to clear front calipers. Stock bolts won’t work, would recommend extended ones as well to mitigate vibration.
Spacers, valve stems, and bolts all off Amazon. No need for TPMS sensors due to indirect monitoring system!
I have before and after pictures I can send as well; black wheels look killer with the Thunder Gray. Happy motoring!!!
@@rhodyman69420 Awesome thanks that is some great advice! I will check those out.
Hmmm , for its price.... one could take a 90'v70awd and put an electric motor on the rear diff... battery in the back where the nivomat suspension levels the car already, and end up with a 500hp car. 🤔
@@rhodyman69420would def like to see pics of that. Put nokian R5s on my PE but haven't bought wheels to change out yet.
Amazing car!!
Only in usa the PE is the only option for a plug in hybrid! In europe you can get the T6 recharge and T8 recharge which are not Polestar Engineered! In europe the PE is pretty rare!
Had one, tuned it, sold it and have an m340i.
Facts is the ohlins is what makes that car, the rest is not great at all. Leather is so thin it wears through. Pano roof leaks but the b&w stereo is crazy good.
The m340i is way more fun but has crap suspension in comparison. KW sort that out. Also not as good on fuel but i don’t have to buy car for mpg.
It’s the best Volvo I just wished it had a better engine and less weight.
i will buy this in 2 years
considered one (not the polestar tho) but Volvos are sooooo expensive in europe compared to german cars. im talking low mileage young second hand btw and sourced from germany. i like how theyre more discreet than big german names but no way im paying so much more for it.
I had a deposit on a V60 Recharge "Core"... which Volvo decided not to actually build for me (or anyone else). The Polestar is lovely, but more than I needed or wanted (not to mention the higher price means no EV tax incentives). The lack of decent wagon options means I may just suck it up and buy this one but maybe a year or two later as I try to squeeze the last value out of my existing previous generation V60.
Ahhh yeah this is what I'm talking about. I can imagine the frustration :/
I have a '23 S60 Recharge Plus Black and had a really hard time justifying the cost of the Polestar trim. I don't really feel like I'm missing the big brake kit, with the blended braking on all the T8's, it always have enough stopping power. The adjustable dampers aren't really a plus for me since it's manual adjustment. That's what keep me in a sedan, I can't justify the extra cost for the PS trim that is the only V60 option.
One of the best looking cars on the road currently! ❤
Imagine this engine a sports car
Dream car
love this soo mutch more then suv
small correction-i believe these motors are twin charged - turbo and supercharged. i could be wrong, but my friends father has a twin charged polestar v60
With the new hybrid system shoving a whole bunch of torque into your spine, Volvo decided the supercharger was excess fat and they got rid of it. I agree with them.
@@RoadsUntraveled i see, that makes sense. the twin charge powertrain was certainly interesting though!
If Volvo offered this car as a shorter in length vehicle and made it as a hot hatch, I think Americans would go crazy about it honestly. Even though hot hatches are dying in America, this vehicle would definitely make a very solid argument to be the best hot hatch for the niche that loves hot hatches.
they used to offer the c30, which was based on the mk2/3 ford focus
I need it
Me saving up and keeping the miles low on my trade in
It is my thirth Volvo.. I have had adjustable air suspension on my 3 cars… the manual adjustable of this car is a show stopper… air suspension is so good, you had weight in the car and the car stays the same! This V60 is high on my wish list… but not with this gimmick… I can imagine Volvo can add a small motor to turn the knob form the inside of the car…
Imagine calling Ohlins a gimmick... the shocks alone are worth more than my corvette.
Is this the vapor grey color?
Thunder Grey. You like it?
What happens to the HP once the battery range is depleted?
As far as I'm aware the battery is never completely depleted, maybe retaining 10-20% (that's a guess), even if the range says "0". The generator should be quick enough to charge the battery while driving hard to keep the power and torque at full or very close to it. AWD must always be able to function as well so that's another reason for this.
For what it's worth I didn't notice a power drop off with 0 battery left. I'm sure it's a little but tough to perceive.
the manually adjustable dampers are more of a "i think its a bit too soft for me, ill set it a bit stiffer" and forget thing
the original nivomat shocks in the volvos (and mag rides in audis) were a 2-3step system, either way too soft or too hard, setting ur car up urself is a bit more natural imo
on the other hand not having paddle shifters (even if they are the size of the audis) is a cardinal sin
I adjusted them twice in a week, and if the car belonged to someone who doesn't have a standard "same commute everyday" scenario, I'd imagine the adjustments would be made on a fairly regular basis, even if it's monthly, to differentiate the car between a family trip to the store and a backroad sunday drive. But of course, it all depends on the driver. I just don't see who is buying the V60 and also jacking the car up to adjust the rear suspension. I don't know who that buyer is. Perhaps I just haven't met them.
Agreed, paddles would transform the car.
@@RoadsUntraveled when I swapped to adjustable coilovers on my daily it took me like a month to find the sweetspot between too soft and harsh, that was for city/a/b road driving and it was acceptable in the city and enjoyable on a/b roads. Next time I touched them was when I took it to a track day. I agree, my girlfriend thought the car was a bit stiff, but I had stiffer since. Also it could have been better on a/b roads with stiffer suspension, but it was a compromise I was willing to have.
If I'd do driving for a living like you, yes I'd want the best setup for every surface, but as an above average driver I am okay with compromises. It would be the same if I'd have a family, I'd set up the car 1 tick under my stiffness preference and 1 tick above what they would say is comfortable.
As an above average driver I just want to enjoy driving, but if the original setup isn't good enough I'll meddle with the car until I will enjoy it or completely f it up.
I'd also like to add, that I am servicing/fixing my own cars, so I am not afraid of lifting the car up to do something on it, so I am still not an average "westerner (read:briton)" who gets to pay people to drill a hole in the wall or to change brake pads.
To be honest around us the roads are quite uniform(ly bad), so what works in city usually works outside the city as well:D
Been driving this car a year now, and I’ve actually settled on the Volvo “Performance” setting of 4. My partner and 2 kids don’t seem to mind.
A little tip: If you back one rear wheel on an elevated surface (diagonal to a ramp, for example), the opposite side will droop enough to allow access to the dampers in the wheel well. Yes, it still takes several minutes but there’s really no need to start jacking up the car.
@@RoadsUntraveled I had (or still my wife is driving it) 2020 V60 PE. I think it is absolutely excellent car. Big enough to be practical. Small enough to be nice to drive. Suspension is stiff but still very comfortable. Also very economical if you charge it 'all the time' (my consumption was 3.6 liters/100 km during about 50 000 km). And still you have plenty of power and it is pretty fast car and sporty (not still naturally a sports car). B&W is better than excellent. While being hybrid it has still tow capacity of 2000kg. Generally feels very solid and good quality.
While it is not a cheap car, I do not think there is anything else in the market to provide the same.
I adjusted suspension typically for summer and for winter (softer). And occasionally in between.
Forgot to mention that 2020 had paddle shifters, but transmission reacted those so slowly that they were kind of pointless.
Shame they stopped selling them in the UK. Dead market here.
Is it dead due to consumer choice though?I see lot of estates on UK roads and wonder if many people are being incentivised to buy SUVs, by manufacturers, rather than choosing them
All that performance and the top speed is 113mph!?!
It’s crazy. Mine 2020 is up to 250km/h at least and the car can make 300km/h
Volvo had set a short timeline for full electrification of their line. I wonder if they're backing off of that due to some consumer sentiment regarding E.V.'s
How can it be lacking exhaust tips….
Agree
Newer version miss those. MY19-21 still had them. But it is pretty much same with every car now. Even merc E-series have "fake" exhaust now. I guess you can get aftermarket ones from Heico (2 round pipes each side) at least you can with MY20-21.
Yeah them deleted them in 2022 looks terrible without. I am glad mine 2020 still have them. ruclips.net/video/_mf1Pc_HN4Q/видео.htmlsi=YU5kZxK9M1FCPWEm
Wagons can't die
They are produced with powerful engines, due to trunk and roof luggage roles
You passed V70 not another V60
no rear door sunblinds? that was a big mistake! They were available on the BMW wagons.
Who cares window tint looks better
Want it
13.39 thats a v70 not a v60 =)
Piston, come on, thats gone bro. Move on!
ehh volvos have some of the worst reliability compared to its peers.
Volvo needs Cross Country wagons in their plug-in line-up. I’d never buy a wagon with such low ground clearance…
Do you ever go off road?
@@zaarkeru3391most people want extra ground clearance to spare their backs.
@@Mr_Cool
People need to take better care of them themself...
Bmw 340i its the one that beats this one on engagment and fun
But BMW does not have option of all electric driving for 40 miles for around town driving. And dont forget that the BMWs blend in - They are everywhere. V60 more exclusive and attractive.
@@gr8weightThe v60 does not beat the bmw in any way.
You belong to a spoiled generation. The idea that you find a literal 10-second adjustment to be burdensome and onerous is embarrassing. Some of us enthusiast actually have a "weekend" set of wheels. Did you complain that the dealership did not set the radio to your favorite station when you took delivery?
This made me laugh
I thought it was spot on. Consider the gap between the technical capabilities of the driver and the reviewer and the engineers designing these vehicles who are producing near perfection. Rather than this being the last one this car could invigorate the market for people driving suv tanks that realize that being up high is not better for most things enthusiasts want
If you want new folowers, just quit the pistons!
Owned by and built in China?
Sorry PE is build in Gothenburg,Sweden
It looks outdated already. Very nice car though
Just buy a bmw m340i wagon. Thank me later.
I wish. BMW doesn't sell wagons in North America anymore.
@@RoadsUntraveled O no 🫣
What are you on about? Wagons may be dying in the land of the schoolshootings, but not in europe what a tosser statement to make lol