Sorry, Snyder army. As a consolation prize, you can get Babbel for up to 60% off here: go.babbel.com/t?bsc=usa-influ-promo&btp=default&RUclips&Influencer..Feb-2024..USA-TATAM..1200m60-promo-yt-filmento-feb-2024
On one hand, we had palworld. On the other hand, we have shit starwars, and even more shit fake starwars. He should consider having the movie, and the extended lorebuilding be in different formats... Give movie goers a pamphelet or a book that comes with the premium ticket.
You can't expect the Snyder army to consider learning a new language, the same you you can't expect them to broaden their film and pop culture exposure outside of Snyder's movies.
There's a constant problem nowadays that so many movies think their job is to set up a sequel, when the actual purpose of a first movie in a series is to earn a sequel.
Funny enough - Snyder actually complained about this Problem himself despite having never made a fully standalone film since MOS. Then said some pretentious shit like he’d “outgrown” superhero movies
@@firstlast9846 thats because he originaly wanted to make the dark knight trilogy with superman, but aftet the sucess of the avengers and the MCU warner bross ask him to make it a "planed cinematic universe" and he also act like this was part of his "vision" even though it was never planed to be that way
A good film doesn't require a sequel or a prequel. A good film makes the viewer wish for those things (sometimes to their detriment) but should not demand it.
"No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough." A great movie makes you wish it was ten hours long while simultaneously knowing that it needs to be just this length.
So true! Watched Bullet Train yesterday, and thoroughly enjoyed myself. It's obviously a standalone, but it still made me want to spend more time with the characters. Not that I think it needs a sequel. It's great as it is. Just a stark difference of watching today Rebel Moon and hardly making it through the movie, asking myself why anyone would want the continuation of a story that basically isn't a cohesive story to begin with.
The big thing a lot of famous trilogies (that aren't based on previous media) do well is that their first movie stands out really well on its own. Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Wars, The Good The Bad The Ugy, etc. All of them have a complete and sufficient story told in the first movie and don't use their time to set up the next movie.
TGTBATU isn't the first movie in any trilogy and technically isn't even part of a real trilogy. The Dollars "Trilogy" is a loosely unconnected set of movies only linked by having the same Director and lead actor. And at that it's the third in the "series" anyway.
@@maximum9977 but if you point this out the Snyder fans will say you just didn't understand the movie or you gotta go watch the 4 hour cut or are just dumb 😂
Many people agree that studio interference is a problem. Me too, but I also think there can be an opposite problem, when an author gets lost in their own creative vision and makes a movie only they would enjoy. So there must be people who could tell them 'no'. Rebel Moon and Argyle are proofs of this.
WB pretty much told him “No” and everyone claims “studio interference” *which there was* - but when it’s Snyder I can understand a studio going “Wtf is he doing? Dial him back”
So many great creatives get lost up their own asses. Tarantino is another example. The most valuable person someone like that can have in their entourage is an old friend capable of calling them on their BS and saying to stop being so full of themselves. Unfortunately ego is the enemy of that, and Yes Men hold a powerful appeal.
Everyone wants to have their own MCU 🙄 They throw as many elements as they can calling it "lore" and "world building" thinking that's how people gets hooked on a new franchise. The MCU started with the story of a man in an iron suit, not with more than 40 characters on the screen.
also mcu got lucky in a time when the cinematic universe was a new and exciting concept.. the problems with a cinematic universe are more apparent in phase 4 and 5. you can have ips that work individually and can then team up, but you can't have multiple ips at the same time and develop all of their characters properly without it feeling like exposition dump. eternals, justice league, suicide squad all have failed because of this.
I don't think he meant to imitate Star Wars as such; he wanted to make Seven Samurai wearing the skin of Star Wars, the same way Star Wars was imitating The Hidden Fortress as a knock-off Flash Gordon. The problem is that Lucas understood what made The Hidden Fortress a good story (characters and intrigue) and Snyder didn't do the same for Seven Samurai (CHARACTERS AND INTRIGUE!)
You can imitate an imitation perfectly fine. It's when the second imitation misses the point of how imitations tend to work, when it fails. If a good story imitates star wars, which is itself an imitation, then nobody would care. Sure, people would see the resemblance, but that wouldn't matter if the overall experience was good. Rebel moon just seems like a waste of time for everybody. It has all the SUPERFICIAL elements of star wars without understanding what made that story stand out.
That's the advantage of having a really cool looking scene. People's brains switch off to admire the spectacle, and they don't notice that stuff. This is why a lot of people liked the Holdo maneuver scene in Ryan Johnston's The Last Jedi. They simply never thought about how dumb the entire thing was because it was visually pleasing.
They could have done the same scene on a hill or something for it to make more sense but Zack decided that the audience probably wouldn't notice that mistake because of the moment. Really bad call on his part.
+ the movie was absolutely formulaic: the asian person is ruled by honor and is the swordsman, the machine is the sentimental one (as a subversion), the gardener used to be the warrior, the indigenous person has the connection with animals, the ruined general looks for redemption. All the above have been explored somehow in some other movies and books, but these formulaic pieces are just smashed together and not explored, as you mentioned.
Look at my comment in context to the comment i'm replying and see if your reply makes sense. It doesn't. I was being ironic to show that his criticism of "this element has been done before" is absurd. There was no genuine concern in my comment, it was sarcasm
There's a lesson I remember from creative writing class: When coming up with your story, ask yourself two questions. 1) Is this the most important moment of the main character's life? 2) If not, why aren't you telling that story, instead?
@@PetyrC90 No, not really. They're just *_definitely_** not* the _only_ ones you'd want to ask. You might even have characters you don't ask them for, but still...
Lex Luthor has a line in BvS where he whispers to General Zod's dead body "You flew too close to the Sun. Now look at you" or something along those lines. I always thought that this one line translates perfectly Snyder's biggest sins, greed and pride. He aims for great heights and wants to tell several plot points and cover lots of ground, but most often than not falls short of his goals and loses ground of his surroundings. He flies too close to the Sun and his wings melt and he falls towards the ground. If only he would listen to his own characters and follow their advices he wouldn't be making so much crap with his movies. 🤷
*This is why I don’t blame WB for dropping him* he delivered two divisive films and couldn’t keep them under 2 hours 30 mins and had plans to adapt a story that’s even more divisive.. so I don’t blame them for dropping him. He squandered all his chances.
@TheSpawnfan - he wanted : a relationship between Lois and Bruce. Lois would’ve had Bruce’s child. Wonder Woman movie where she slept with every soldier in the barracks during wartime. Superman would be brought back - become evil - and get cucked. Bruce would die.. and he wanted Wonder Woman to be the descendant of Kryptonians.
I just thought of something: the bad guys show up to a random village on a planet. Why? They're not the capital or main village right? So even if they rebel and win whats stopping the bad guys calling for backup?
This is why trying to use Warhammer 40K world elements to make a botched copypasta of Seven Samurai is a stupid idea. Seven Samurai worked because it was a single village vs a single band of outlaws. Kill the outlaws and the problem is solved. A galactic empire is substantially larger than a band of outlaws, or even a single capital ship, so even if you discounted the world-destroying weapons they have, there's no reason to not expect they won't be back, and in larger numbers. Frankly, it's the same problem the Avatar movies have - humanity isn't going to stop after 1 or 2 setbacks, and they haven't even started to make proper war against the na'vi yet.
@@jackkain7141 Not only that, but it is hard to believe that an empire needs all of the food from a small village. Like it is one thing if there's a group on an important mission to, say, sneak in through a backdoor, that needs to live off the land, and therefore they take all of the power source from some place. Then it makes sense that is a smaller group that does belong to an empire, and why they'd target a relatively small village and take it all. They themselves are smaller, they need a certain degree of secrecy, it is fuel which is more cut and dry as to what happens when it runs out, and so on.
@@Axterix13 I read it as just the ship needing it, which at least makes some sense, but... it's a galactic empire ship in the middle of the galactic empire. It wouldn't threaten some rando village for supplies, it'd park over the nearest space port, conduct its business with the planet's traders, and then leave. Because that's both the expedient and logical thing to do. They don't have to threaten or steal, they just buy what they want because they're the government, and they're going to get it from people who deal in the volume they need, not go to some single village on the planet. It's like the US government rocking up with a full military convoy to some amish community out in the boonies and going "Give us your wheat or your lives".
@@jackkain7141 yeah! Plus the village has what, less than 50 people? How is that supposed to feed an entire battle ship with hundreds of soldiers and personnel?
@@Arcademan09 Producing enough food to feed a much larger amount of people than that required to grow it in the first place is kind of the whole point of agriculture. So the village being able to supply the ship isn't really out of the question. The dumb part is why have an empire ship threaten an empire village for the food instead of going to the space port next door and buying it with empire funds from the planet's traders. You know, the people whose job it is to pool the resources of multiple villages like the one being threatened from across the whole planet to supply people like the empire. There's no reason for the empire to threaten the village when they'd just buy the food from the people the villagers sell to anyway. It's like Snyder has no idea how a civilization beyond isolated tribes functions, let alone a galactic empire.
His only decent work is with remakes and well established stories. And he still butchered all what makes Watchmen comics unique, considering that's what's considered his best movie. He just has no idea how to tell a story.
That's what Filmento says at the end. The good work Snyder put out was as a director, only. As soon as he started to write and produce the movies it all went to he'll. Doing all this is way above his capabilities
A great example of trying to have it both ways is when ‘Tarzan’ has to tame the griffin and at first he approaches it softly and horse-whispers it into submission. Very cool, says a lot about that character than in a movie that is already so violent, he has the ability to peacefully… ah, never mind now the griffin freaked out and he has to manually break the animal just like the baddies were trying to do, why? We need that jumping scene, that’s why.
@@stepper997I saw another video talking about this and how Bloodaxe (or whatever his name was) ends up doing a big jump to get onto the ship, and that's not even the big jump guy!
I've never seen that film but the way you described it as someone who has worked on films before good and bad I could hear in my head producers and other people in the studio say we haven't had an action scene for x amount of time. We need to put it somewhere. Let's put it here!
Zack Snyder has reached the point where he is arguably the director with the greatest power to bring his vision of a film unaltered to the screen working today, and it has been clear for a long time that this is not a good thing. I just wish he'd play second fiddle on a production for once and work on using his genuine talent at creating remarkable visuals to express a story actually worth telling.
Exactly! Some people just aren't good at writing. And writing is the most important part of any movie. It doesn't matter how fantastic and cool the visuals are if the story is sh. And it doesn't matter how low budget a movie is if the writing is good. If you care about the characters, it will be fantastic and beloved. And I will never stop losing my mind that they insist on telling the most boring and terrible Star wars stories instead of just adapting the legends books. ITS RIGHT THERE BANE IS RIGHT THERE! 😭
“He has all these cool ideas and promises but they're always somewhere out there, just out of reach.” You’ve articulated the reason why there were people who were never fans of Snyder’s work. Consider that he started his career with a remake and then, outside of Sucker Punch, made nothing but adaptations for the next 17 years. It’s entirely probable that all the potential you see in him *may just be* because he is working with preexisting content that has rich and deep ideas for him to pull from.
@@AnnaMarianne And my point is that Snyder’s ability to “adapt somebody else’s story” may not exist and might be the audience conflating the quality of Zack Snyder’s output with the quality of the material he works with. I think it’s notable that whenever flaws in Snyder’s adaptations are called out, it’s near-always the parts that are significantly different from the source material. You could claim that to be fanboys mad about changes, but while it’s undeniably a factor I don’t think it’s just that.
It's no coincidence that the two movies Snyder gets praised for the most are the ones with the least amount of changes from the source material, those two films being 300 and Watchmen.
It's also pointing that none of the 'cool ideas' are actually original. He stole the setting from Star Wars (or 40K), the plot from Magnificent Seven (stretched so the movie only covers the recruitment montage rather than the training, preparation, camaraderie building, or the actual battle), monsters from Harry Potter, landscapes that look like they were taken from Dune, ship designs from Firefly, and bringing back the villain with lightning from Batman V Superman, his own movie (or Frankenstein which is probably where he got the idea from). Even when given total freedom, he just does what other people does. What are the odds the next movie has a skybeam?
I have a friend who is very much a Snyder fan (specifically of his DC movies). Judging from the memes he shows me, telling me they are from social media groups of dedicated Zach Snyder fans, they really do spend most of their time being fans of 'what could have been if X,Y,Z'. I personally think Snyder is an ok director when he doesn't write a story, but knows how to show it effectively - thus, his best outings are 300 and Watchmen. If he does make a story, he requires at least 5h of runtime for the story to be understood. If someone likes that, sure. But to me that just shows he doesn't know how to write stories...
At the height of when he was running the DCEU, Snyder would always emphasize what a comic book nerd he was and that his fans would say what genius he was and how deep his movies were. Something I'd point out to his fans was how Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton both admitted to not being comicbook fans growing up yet made better superhero films than Snyder did. Also they too worked with WB but notice how they were still able to make their visions of the films they were making which were all complete stories and didn't require a 3-4 hour long "true version" to come out after the fact
When snyderFans praise JL snyder cut, they always seem to ignore 2 things 1. Not every director gets to see a bad version of a movie, soak up all the criticism and then gets a second chance to make it again, making sure the same mistakes are not committed. 2. A recut would normally mean re editing existing footage to create a new narrative and structure as per the directors original vision. Snyder cut involved rewrites, reshoots and a giant budget that can fund a few low budget movies.
Zack Snyder is like M. Night Shyamalan in a way, they're both outstanding directors but subpar screenwriters. But I suspect the difference is that Shyamalan refuses to just tell other people's stories because of his ego (and probably taking away the wrong lessons from _The Last Airbender_ and _After Earth)_ meanwhile Snyder probably would be fine with just directing adaptations of novels, comicbooks and the like but knows that the best way to get the highest pays and the biggest budgets and the biggest creative freedoms is to be a brand, so he _needs_ to be an capital "A" Auteur like Christopher Nolan or Jordan Peele... Reneé Descartes once said that accepting our limitations shouldn't be seen as a faillure but as a freeing experience, that once we stop wasting energy on the puruse of things we will never archieve we can better focus on being the best at wa we CAN archieve, that's what Snyder and Shyamalan need
I totally agree with your point. He wants to be an "auteur" but he's not. He'a a bad writer and definitely needs at least a co writer that tells him "No". He's very good with visuals but when he's writing his movies tend to be mediocre and messy (Sucker Punch) or just plain crap (Army of the Dead).
And yet somehow I still couldn’t tell if it was the robot or the sympathetic soldier who killed the would-be r*pist soldier in that one scene when I actually watched it. Oddly enough, I think that kinda killed the movie for me early on without me even fully understanding why initially. Guess that’s just how weak the cinematography was without slo-mo.
@@latlatko Dune actually takes place in the 40K canon. All sci-fi is canon in 40K. Dune is actually Games Workshop's original IP and you're getting sued for copyright - which is also 40K canon...
I was more interested in that meme than the film… the concept of the film was so unoriginal it lost me the second I heard it. At least I was engaged with South Park.
And the funny thing is, he’s always had this problem; with the mess that was Batman v Superman, he tried to cram the dark Knight returns, injustice, and the death of Superman together instead of just picking a solid story. I tried to warn my peers years ago and they didn’t listen. lol
You have to wait for the Snyder Cut of his own movie or maybe the extended edition of that Synder Cut, that's how he makes his movies lmao. He's incapable of telling an appealling story without making it 4 hours long and also a sequel.
I put it differently. I see it as him being assigned a task that must be finished within the time allotted. Instead, he turns in a project nobody asked for, and it took him an extra two weeks to do it. That is how I see it. Basically, Zack Snyder is a degenerate filmmaker.
I think a lot of the problems with Rebel Moon is that he’s counting on the audience to get attracted to the spectacle. He probably has an idea for everything in the universe. Like the people in the red robes behind the main bad guy. They may not have any story to them now, but with the “lore” of this galaxy they are really important. They are there for a reason but will only be explained further if we the audience care. Similar to the way stories and comics were created in Star Wars ie. there’s a cool background character that people want to learn more about so they make a show or comic about them. But, another reviewer said it better than I, but the reason Star Wars was so successful was because despite being apart of a larger story in a far away galaxy, it stood alone as its own story. Rebel Moon seems it relies on things that don’t yet exist. He thinks he can make a show to, in his eyes, EXPAND, the universe when in actuality, there was never enough substance to warrant that said expansion.
Rebel moon is the buttering of bread, but there isn't enough butter and he's taking too long to butter it properly and he hasn't let the butter warm up to spread it evenly, so now you have torn bread with chunks of butter
I know a fan of Suckerpunch and she likes it specifically because she sees it as naked spectacle and lets the cringe fairy tale "excuse" of a story off the hook just to enjoy the girl-fronted action. I think it's important to remember how much of a style-over-substance director Snyder really is. He resents nerds and sees only that he's the one they're paying to make these movies, not the rafts of critics. To him, success is getting the deal to make the movie, not the result of a movie. Filmento's call out that he needs to be working in service of someone else's vision to get a fully realized story is spot-on. I think Warner Bros matches Synder's cynicism with regards to "serious films" the same way a Looney Tunes impulse matched the sarcasm of Matrix Reloaded and Barbie. With a sensitive, creative director that makes something cool, but Snyder is not sensitive.
This is what happened to M night Shamalan as well. A few dedades back he was being held up as "The next Spielberg" But then no one could tell him no and he became so obsessed with the idea of making every movie "his movie" he forced restrictions on them simply because he decided a certain trait was goign to be part of his style. Like he forced panning shots in all of his movies even when they didn't work because "All of my movies must have panning shots". He forced all movies to be 90 minutes even when he was able to make them longer because "All of my movies are 90 minutes". It had nothing to do with what the movie needed and was instead about making sure everyone knew his had his fingers all over every aspect of the movie. It was after this that his name became a complete joke. He got a bit of a resurgence once he got over himself and focused on making a good movie and not "his movie" like with split which was 2 hours. Just try to imagine Split if it had 30 minutes cut out because "this has to be 90 minutes" or if dramatic moments were ruined with uneeded panning shots.
The problem with Snyder is, he is a visual director, not a movie writer. He thinks the point of Batman is to look cool while killing everyone, when Batman is meant to be a detective who solves crime and beat others to near death. He thinks DC needs to be dark and moody when the best movies they made were bright and cheerful. He is, as a director, the best when he is not in control of his own projects, and only the visual aspects. We don't need a Snyderverse, but Snyder-assisted movie
Let's be honest, in a more "realistic" setting, the Empire would not even bother sending troops to pacify the village, they would just bomb it to make it an example. This "let's recruit warriors to protect a village" has already been done in better movies since Kurosawa's OG "Seven Samurai", and only works in very specific settings.
@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. I call this type solution, "Just Kill John Wick's Dog". Basically, it puts the hero into a bad event that'll never be undone. It also forces the hero outside of the comfort zone that was already destroyed. It gives the hero the drive and motivation to push himself and complete his goals.
Lord of the Rings by Zack Snyder: "Hey Sam, you're my friend. I'm glad that you chose to help me on my quest to take the One ring to mount Doom, and finally destroy Sauron's influence over the middle earth" "Yes, It will be a perilous journey far away from the comfortable life we have always known in the Shire, but our friendship will prevail against all obstacles!"
When I started watching this film, I thought that the biggest problem was that there was no Star Wars atmosphere, a mishmash of atmospheres, in other words. But when I watched Rebel moon to the end, I realized that the main problem is - all heroes and villains are the most stupid and illogical morons in both galaxies.
That's so interesting. I actually really liked Rebel Moon, 8.5/10 from me. OTOH, for the most part, I'm indifferent to Star Wars even when I really like sci-fi. What usually happens to me: Someone: What kind of movies you like? Me: Fantasy and Sci-fi. Someone: So you like watching movies like Star Wars? Me: Uhmm.. yes movies like Star Wars but not Star Wars itself. For comparison, Interstellar is my fav movie of all time 10/10. Star Wars (all of them) on the other hand for me feels like a non-scifi war movie with outer space as its background. The only major thing I disliked about Rebel Moon is the team recruitment part (recruiting team members one after another). It felt very repetitive and predictable.
@@senantiasa 1. I love sci-fi, but I never liked the Star Wars series. "Rogue one" is the only SW film, that I rated "above mediocre". 2. I'm a fan of WH40K literature (mostly), for me Star Wars as a war film is like cartoons for elementary school children before watching "Furry", or popsicles before a spiced pork steak. 3. I love "Interstellar" too. But I think the film is in a slightly different category. Sky-Fi without war, but more with psychology and cosmology😅 4. This isn't the only thing that looks bad in Rebel Moon. Take also this stupidity, that in the imperial army everyone is forced into love relationships. As if this is the only way to maintain military brotherhood! Next, it looks very stupid and unrealistic when an imperial ship with a crew of 1000+ people forces a farm to feed itself, although everything they see that it is not able to provide food for 50+ people. Or are they not capable of calculations, or do they have 30-50+ such farms under their control? why isn't this explained? Besides, why did Command leave farm under control of uncontrollable sociopaths, who turned everyone against themselves? there are more questions than answers.
@@ТарасМакаренко-ф3ш 1. Thanks, I'll remember that. I might give it a chance. 2. Hahahaha.. 3. Yeah, I was just giving a benchmark on what I consider the best. I mean at least Interstellar, Rebel Moon and Star Wars all took place in outer space. "The Tomorrow War" and "Edge of Tomorrow" are about war with aliens and time travel/loop, but they take place entirely on earth. "Ender's Game" is about war to the death in outer space with an alien species but the battle looks like video games (so is it a separate genre?). "Jupiter Ascending" is about war & space, but 50% of the movie is about the love between the two main characters (romance). I think if we rate movies based on categories that are too narrow, we wouldn't be able to compare much. 4. No, it says that in the academy the soldiers were encouraged (not forced) to be in a relationship with one another. 5/Next. Yes, when I was watching the movie, I assumed that the imperial force did the same thing to every single village they encounter. I didn't assume that that one special village will provide food for the entire imperial army. And I think it was explained. She said that she had done what the army is doing to her village countless times before when she was still in the army. In the movie, they weren't talking about feeding the entire imperial army, they were just talking about whether or not that particular village has surplus to spare as a way to serve the motherworld. Actually I think the "surplus" was a major contention in the first part of the movie, never about feeding the entire army. 6. "Besides, why did Command leave farm under control of uncontrollable sociopaths, who turned everyone against themselves?" >>> I don't know what you mean by this. What kind of people did you have in mind who would be left in charge? The main character girl did say that they are cruel, violent, etc, so I thought the soldiers represented that notion pretty well. One criticism I had during the movie was that I thought it wasn't believable that the spaceship owner already had a list of individuals who would be perfect to join her party, he knew all their locations and was enthusiastic about adding these individuals. I thought to myself, "Oh how convenient... " and "This thief/bounty hunter in such a short time cares about justice/resistance? That doesn't make sense". But then when he betrayed them all, it all made sense and his actions fit perfectly with his opportunistic character.
He wants everything to have some cool back story. He thinks of Star Wars and how boba fett is a clone and how Anakin actually had an apprentice, and it's all off-screen. But he doesn't get that when these characters were introduced, this stuff didn't exist. It was added as the IP became popular, and there was a demand for more detail and content. When Boba Fett was introduced, he was just a cool bounty hunter in armor, zero backstory. When the prequels were made, Asoka never existed until and animated series happened years later. You let your lore build. You don't force it.
Even that movie was average at best. Visually spectacular as you'd expect from a Snyder film. But the story and characters were wooden and simplistic, and completely uninteresting, despite Snyder's obvious attempts to display otherwise.
I understand the Star Wars comparison from a story perspective but can we appreciate the "can I copy your homework" attitude it has to Warhammer 40k, the comander of the Imperium's Militarum looking exactly like a commisar from the Imperium of Man's Astra Militarum. And that's not even mentioning the robot making Mechanicus, not to be confused with the servitor making Adeptus Mechanicus.
300 worked because Miller created the storyboard for snyder as well as the story. The moment Snyder creates the storyboard and story it all goes to hell in a handcart.
I love Snyder's early works that are based in existing IPs (300, Watchmen, JL) but allowing him to create from the ground up is always a bad idea. He is incoherent, unfocused and more concerned about sneaking more symbolism and story-beat set-up in his shots than making an engaging story. Army of the Dead was the final nail in the coffin for me, whereas Rebel Moon is the corpse defiling proof of his lack of story-telling talents.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu agree he is like Michael Bay, at least the later does not try to make his films more than it actually is and does not have a rabid fan base that declare him the greatest film maker ever.
@@mactocmo Michael Bay is probably the best in the English-speaking world at what he does, which is making live-action adaptations of Saturday morning action cartoons for ten-year-old boys.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu well his first Transformer movies worked despite Bay's lack of artistic merit because of the straining hand of Spielberg, and also Bay's movies produced by Jerry Brucheimer are some of the most fun popcorn movies.
It's as if Snyder cut "Star Wars: A New Hope" and "Battle Beyond the Stars" into a ton of pieces, then randomly assembled a bunch of them, with some sprinkling of Harry Potter (riding giant bird thing, giant spider monster). Honestly, this story is EXACTLY what an AI-written script feels like: OBVIOUSLY cut and pasted scenes from already-existing stories. You can only get away with that (kinda) in a PARODY or SATIRE.
There is a reason why George Lucas was persuaded not to start the movie on Tatooine with Luke on a farm. Steven Spielberg told him to start with the empire capturing Leia, because it shows the audience what the conflict is and who are the sides the hero must choose between.
You are absolutely correct about only foreshadowing and not focusing on what is on the present. One of the problems in BvS was, whatever is cool, its all in the future (The Justice League, Barry's time travel message, Darkseid's coming). Too many future thingy while what is happening in the present is not as interesting
"it's the studio's fault!" Well now this movie was 100% him and it's atrocious. *He has good visuals and a great eye for cinematography* I will fully admit it, 300 still looks amazing but he needs someone to smack him when he goes too far
I have the view of the back story is important then it is the story...... I think that the first film should have been her rise then her escape would make more sense have more emotion Indeed it is a very poor start wars if that is what he is trying to achieve
Depends. They can be utilized very effectively. Vikings for example makes fantastic use out of flashbacks. On the moviemaking side of things, Nolan has mastered flashbacks as well. They can be extremely effective and elicit a powerful reaction. They just have to be set up well and used to pack the full punch of the scene that it is used around.
They are often done poorly, but on occasion are used to great effect... Often when the flashback doesn't take you out of a story, but instead adds to it, providing motivations or ideas that are needed for the viewers, but are not needed for the character to ever explain in the present. I especially liked how they were used in Project Hail Mary, where the flashbacks were an integral part of the story in the present, where they have a reason to be there within the narrative beyond just filling us in on past events. Hoping they don't mess that one up when(/if) they make the movie.
This is a problem not enough people talk about. Movies like this or Mortal Kombat (2021) are chasing this level of storytelling that is much better suited for an 8-episode run.
Roger Corman made the exact same movie, Seven Samurai/ Star Wars rip-off, back in the early 80's. It's called "Battle Beyond the Stars", cost a fraction of the budget that Snyder has, was made with 1980's technology and it's waaaay better that the turd, that Snyder churned out. Then again, James Cameron & his later wife, Gale-Anne Hurd, worked on that, the pair that created Terminator, just a couple of years later.
I was really hoping you would’ve ended this video super abruptly to just really bring the point home. I would’ve anticipated a sequel to this “review” lol
I like it whenever you cover lesser known movies like this, and seventh son. Could you do a video on Pacific Rim Uprising, and how it failed at charector.
Zack Snyder is the Tech Bro of filmmaking. He's all about having big concepts that sound good on paper to fool investors into giving him money to make a thing that WILL EVENTUALLY be cool, but like, in the next quarter/phase/iteration/version of the thing, or the next one, or the next one...
1:22 Just to add to the list, it even takes the inspiration for star wars, with a new hope being based on Akira Kurosawa's "The hidden fortress" and this movie taking in his other film "Samurai Seven"
Kora's backstory would've made for a much better first movie in the franchise, and we'd already have the needed context for lore that Rebel Moon tried to force-feed us through its constant wiki-dumping.
The robot is used (stupidly) to conceal a twist. at the end, there were 6 of them who returned. then the robot is shown at the very end, which makes him the 7th member of their group(because they need their count to be seven just like in Seven Samurai/The Magnificent 7).
I watched this movie with a friend. Emotions that we get are somewhere between frustration and being bored. I had in mind that he is trying to do something like Mass Effect 2, when here gathering squad to face extreme challenges, but in Rebel Moon it does not work. Tarzan guy is just useless for story and useless for team, despite his beast control and acrobatic skills. Same with general guy. His setup that he is strong leader, but he indeed just shooting Pilot guy, is like traitor taxi driver. He deliver group from A to B and then says "I don't care about our journey. I'm traitor now!" Although, team and characters look cool, they don't do much. There some setups but no payoffs Movie feels like: exposition > action > exposition > action > exposition > action in too obvious and boring way. I don't want to start about logical issues in motives and and actions... If this movie was a music video it would work perfectly
In order to keep myself awake I started counting all the slow motion moments... This movie still convinced me about One thing: Zack wasn't around when they shot the warehouse scene in Batman vs Superman
This is the problem of attributing the entirety of a movie to one director. People start thinking that the director is the one who creates everything instead of just, you know, directing. And so producers and executives suddenly think it's a good idea to give directors full creative rein
This is exactly what I think when I saw the movie. They really should just make the flashback as entire movie. The story about Korra been adopted by the general after her planet been attacked, she joined the army and fell in love until the lover died in battlefield, she became the royal bodyguard for the royal family and create bond with the princess until her adopted father toppled the government and she went hiding in small village. All this is better movie than the whole recruiting plot.
His movies are always stunningly beautiful to look at, but composed of a series of beautiful still frames he seems to be trying to hit with everything between feeling like it is lazily phoned in to get to the next cool still shot. And yeah, the still frames are freaking immaculate, utterly amazing. But when there is no real connective tissue, it can just feel boring or nonsensical. How much of that stuff that people love his movies for is him though, and how much is Larry Fong (his usual cinematographer/director of photography)? Maybe he is giving Larry more room to work than other directors and thats what is making films that get thought of as Snyder films so quintessentially beautiful. But if you wrote down the responsibilities of each role and mapped that to what people like in the movies, it does not look favorably on Zach.
I’m reminded of the part at the end of that where Morty is pitching his Heist Movie script to Netflix and he realizes how stupid it sounds as he’s saying it because he watched it play out already. That’s what should have happened to Rebel Moon to be honest.
See, I'd agree, but his adaptations have ranged from solid (300, but I can do a whole rant on Frank Miller's problems) to poor (his DC stuff, Watchmen, Dawn of the Dead). His problem is that he doesn't seem to get the work he's adapting. And let's be fair, Paul Veerhoeven managed to make a compelling and nuanced counterpoint to Starship Troopers without reading it, but he's also a certified insane genius. Snyder is not that.
It's sad how this turned out. I was extremely excited to watch it. I watch the first 30 min and had to switch it off. The blurry background literally gave me a headache. I have a nice 4K tv and seeing all that blurriness wasn't good. I wish he would stop doing that. Basically Zack took A New Hope and The Magnificent Seven, left out the Hope and the Magnificent and left us with A New Seven.
Snyder made BvS and Justice League which are 2 of the worst CBMs I've ever seen, and they cost the WB over $500M to make them both. Hollywood has lost its mind and continue to throw insane amounts of money to talentless hacks.
Rebel Moon also borrow heavily many of Warhammer's naming and aestethic, not to the Full Gothic but you can spot the influence from the weapon and armor design.
Funny story: the original Star Wars was not billed as “Episode IV” during its original release, they just called it Star Wars. That’s because you have to earn that shit!
You’re right, the movie should have opened with rebels, destroying an empire, food manufacturing hub, or transport that was going directly to this military group.
I still remember getting out of the theatre after seeing "Sucker Punch" (which I mostly enjoyed), and being lost in thought about what I'd just seen. My wife looked at me and asked, "What's the matter? Something's bothering you. You didn't like the movie?" I remember replying, "I'm extremely frustrated by it. It keeps taking you out of its main story, which is actually a super-stylish escape movie, and presenting you with more interesting places and scenes that have nothing to do with that story. I get why he's doing it, that it's multifaceted symbolism and commentary on escapism and objectification, but I keep wanting him to focus on just *one thing* and make it good." I'm reminded of that with RM.
Snyder doesn't know how to tell stories. Period. The end. He's on the same level as the Wachowskis; made 1-2 good/great movies and nothing good after that.
To me it really feels like a serie that got condensed into a film. You jump from self-contained plot to self-contained plot with an overarching plot of forming the group, it's not that it's a sidequest in the main quest of the movie, it's just that it's a serial format twisted and forced into the movie format. A serie of banding the team together and then a movie about the band doing it's stuff would have been great.
Snyder is absolute masterclass when he's behind the camera. Not so much at writing scripts, ESPECIALLY original scripts. So to answer the question of "What movie should Znyder do?", my mind came up with the *Robotech* live-action movie that has been in development hell (but never cancelled, somehow) for almost two decades by now. Why? Not only because the original show was a recut of a pre-existing *action anime* from the 70's, but also because it'll give Snyder the possibility to go absolutely wild with the *cinematography* of the mecha action without having to worry too much about coming up with *compelling/dimensional characters* to boot, as the work for Rick Hunter, Roy Fokker and Lynn Minmay (among others) would be already cut up for him, thanks to the cartoon and the anime (Super Dimension Fortress Macross) that's based off. Should Snyder finally take advantage of his passion for the anime medium at last.
He's really hurt that "behind the camera" cred here recently. He served as DP for each of his last two films and both are BY FAR the worst looking movies he's ever made.
The snake things and the device is a perfect example: make them a shape shifter hot lady and now you have your weird sci-fi pleasure snakes and some eye-candy for the audience while also cutting down on the screentime since it's 1 scene instead of 2 and you prolly even cut out some of the CGI and prop stuff while also making it somewhat understandable like "why tf are there snake- oh hot lady got it". Literally took me like 30 seconds to think of that
This reminds me of a lesson my creative writing teacher taught me in high school, “is the story you’re writing the most interesting part of your character’s life? No? Then why the hell aren’t you writing THAT story?”
Zack Snyder should do what he did with Watchmen (extended). Take an already existing brilliant piece of work, adapt it faithfully except for very specific moments that would work better in cinema, and don't compromise his vision to release "cut" versions of his movie.
After I read Watchmen and then rewatched the film adaptation I dont think that Snyder really brought out its full potential. It felt really surface level and misses some of the subtext of the story but this gets overlooked because Snyder's film has good action and visuals
Even in Watchmen, he does kind of miss some of the point of the scenes in the novel. Particularly when making Rorschach not a dick, because he's a far right fascist totalitarian conspiracy nut. For example, when he apologizes to Dan, we should be left questioning whether he means it or whether it's manipulation to get what he wants. And glorifying the violence, weirdly enough, runs counter to the intentions of the novel. But Snyder, by all appearances, worships the Dark Age of Comics and keeps repeating the mistakes of that era. Missing the point of Watchmen in the same way that the Dark Age of Comics also missed the point.
Or at least he needs to find a damn good writer or editor who’s willing and able to manage him creatively. Even great creative filmmakers like George Lucas and Tarantino had excellent editors to make sure they kept the best bits of their ideas and removed the worst bits, whilst what made the Pirates Trilogy magnificent was the DUO of Verbinski and Bruckheimer. Rebel Moon does have some creative ideas sprinkled in, but it’s the lack of any congruent narrative tying it together. He could produce something original instead of purely an adaptation, but he needs someone to focus the creative direction so he can do what he does best instead of ruining his best qualities with his worst ones.
Rorschach was/is awesome. Lefty creeps hate him because they know what Rorschach would do to them if locked in a room. Same thing he did to the pdf file creep in the movie.@SageVallant
Snyder's career was over when Army Of The Dead was released. In this case, he built a story based on an existing IP's backstory and then tried to retrofit it as an 'original' property with ZERO backstory. He's the Ultimate example of Style over Substance.
It sort of feels like this should have been a series. The first couple episodes of season one would introduce Kora and set up the season. The middle episodes would each be dedicated to introducing and fleshing out one of the main team members, while ramping up the tension and conflict. And the final episodes would be them working together to make a plan to defend the village and end with the final showdown.
The main problem with Zack is that he likes to make a business cut and then his own cut. It kills the point of the first release, because he's hiding the actual movie 4hrs long that was supposed to be released.
What's wild is that, of all the cool ideas Snyder shoved in this movie, there's nothing for Honsou's character. I thought he was going to get into some gladiatorial combat, he just gets a shower and a stern talking-to.
''Strong female character who is 90 pounds soaking wet yet can beat up guys twice her size launches a rebellion against an all male empire dressed like its 1940s Germany.'' How many times have we seen this now? Quick lesson for anyone reading this who wants to be a script writer: the more generic your concept, the better your writing needs to be in order to stand out. If this film didn't have Snyder's name attached to it then it would have been immediately forgotten.
It’s sad because Sofia Boutella definitely has some kind of talent going for her as far as I can tell; I just hope she doesn’t fall into that same trap Milla Jovovich did where she keeps getting cast as, well, generic “strong female characters” who are simultaneously invincible, attractive, and lacking in actual personality. And yeah, the decision to make her into a super-strong bruiser is kinda odd when you take her actual talent set into account; if anything, making her a stealthy assassin who relies on agility like her character in that one Kingsman movie (admittedly haven’t really watched it, but you get the point) seems like it would inherently make more sense because that’s what she’s more built for.
I have been a Snyder fan since Sucker Punch and even that film suffers from Snyder's biggest problem as a filmmaker, which is too MANY ideas. In almost all of his films, he has so many ideas that are usually amazing, but so many that he doesn't get to explore. Due to the lack of quality control on his films, he tries to shove EVERYTHING in at once instead of focusing on the central idea and supporting elements. If Snyder learns to focus on the central idea (or surrounds himself with people that can rein him in from his worse tendencies), he could make truly amazing films.
Sorry, Snyder army. As a consolation prize, you can get Babbel for up to 60% off here:
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Hey, Fil. Any thoughts on Argyle movie? I guess it’s the same thing like was with Rebel Moon. Or not?
Please make vidio on Madame Web.
On one hand, we had palworld.
On the other hand, we have shit starwars, and even more shit fake starwars.
He should consider having the movie, and the extended lorebuilding be in different formats... Give movie goers a pamphelet or a book that comes with the premium ticket.
You can't expect the Snyder army to consider learning a new language, the same you you can't expect them to broaden their film and pop culture exposure outside of Snyder's movies.
I love that one critic once said that the main problem with Zack Snyder is that he focuses on Visuals first, rather than Story...
There's a constant problem nowadays that so many movies think their job is to set up a sequel, when the actual purpose of a first movie in a series is to earn a sequel.
Best Comment of this thread by FAR!!!
Funny enough - Snyder actually complained about this Problem himself despite having never made a fully standalone film since MOS. Then said some pretentious shit like he’d “outgrown” superhero movies
@@firstlast9846 thats because he originaly wanted to make the dark knight trilogy with superman, but aftet the sucess of the avengers and the MCU warner bross ask him to make it a "planed cinematic universe" and he also act like this was part of his "vision" even though it was never planed to be that way
You beat me to it. It's putting the cinematic universe cart before the horse. Networks want the big bucks before earning the audience to drive it.
*THIS*
Imagine making a movie about "getting the team together" *and none of them talk or interact with each other*
Snyderfan: BUT IS CLEVER BECAUSE THAT MAKE THEM MORE HUMAN AND NOT A BUNCH OF QUIPSTER!!!
@@motor4X4kombat nah more like: WAIT FOR THE 4H LONG VERSION IT WILL BE AMAZING!!1!!111!!
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I agree Mr. Gumball Face.
@@Alondro77 thank you Twilight Sparkle
A good film doesn't require a sequel or a prequel. A good film makes the viewer wish for those things (sometimes to their detriment) but should not demand it.
Well said
"No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough." A great movie makes you wish it was ten hours long while simultaneously knowing that it needs to be just this length.
@@UnreasonableOpinions basically Arcane (Ik it's not a movie but still)
You tell James Gunn that as well 😂
So true!
Watched Bullet Train yesterday, and thoroughly enjoyed myself. It's obviously a standalone, but it still made me want to spend more time with the characters. Not that I think it needs a sequel. It's great as it is.
Just a stark difference of watching today Rebel Moon and hardly making it through the movie, asking myself why anyone would want the continuation of a story that basically isn't a cohesive story to begin with.
The big thing a lot of famous trilogies (that aren't based on previous media) do well is that their first movie stands out really well on its own. Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Wars, The Good The Bad The Ugy, etc. All of them have a complete and sufficient story told in the first movie and don't use their time to set up the next movie.
TGTBATU isn't the first movie in any trilogy and technically isn't even part of a real trilogy. The Dollars "Trilogy" is a loosely unconnected set of movies only linked by having the same Director and lead actor. And at that it's the third in the "series" anyway.
@@cfssuperhero Yeah I know, I just know it's also the most well known of the three so used it
Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park and The Dark Knight Trilogy as well.
@@creedjeremyTransformers. That first movie was awesome!
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I'm pretty sure Anthony Hopkins only signs up for roles where he can record everything in one afternoon and then go home.
full respect in this case
lol why would you give it your all for the trash that’s coming out?
What about One Life? Hopkins is a main actor there.
I think it's more of he's not really interested in blockbusters these days
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Now yes, the father and his leading man movies being an exception
The way I always viewed Zack Snyder was if Michael Bay and his fanbase thought his films were more deep and well made than they actually were.
@@firstlast9846 yeah thats what I just said lmao
@Spongebrain97 my bad OG
That's insanely accurate 😂
Bay is a kid with action figures
Snyder is edgy teen with action figures
@@maximum9977 but if you point this out the Snyder fans will say you just didn't understand the movie or you gotta go watch the 4 hour cut or are just dumb 😂
Many people agree that studio interference is a problem. Me too, but I also think there can be an opposite problem, when an author gets lost in their own creative vision and makes a movie only they would enjoy. So there must be people who could tell them 'no'. Rebel Moon and Argyle are proofs of this.
WB pretty much told him “No” and everyone claims “studio interference” *which there was* - but when it’s Snyder I can understand a studio going “Wtf is he doing? Dial him back”
The Star Wars Prequels are the most famous examples of this
So many great creatives get lost up their own asses. Tarantino is another example. The most valuable person someone like that can have in their entourage is an old friend capable of calling them on their BS and saying to stop being so full of themselves. Unfortunately ego is the enemy of that, and Yes Men hold a powerful appeal.
@@firstlast9846 This time it's his own fault.
Oh no. Is Argyle not good? Haven't seen it yet.
The biggest issue is the announced Snyder Cut of Rebel Moon later on before Rebel Moon was even out.
Bro really said "hey, this movie I had full control over? Yeah, here's *my* version of it!"
@@ianbyrne465 Is part Netflix greed, part Snyder having no idea what his vision is until audience feedback to adjust it. Bottom line it's BS.
@@nickmoney It was his own fault, he learned the wrong lesson from JL Snyder Cut.
SERIOUSLY?!
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Everyone wants to have their own MCU 🙄 They throw as many elements as they can calling it "lore" and "world building" thinking that's how people gets hooked on a new franchise. The MCU started with the story of a man in an iron suit, not with more than 40 characters on the screen.
Rebel moon is more of a Star Wars for Netflix, milliarworld is Netflix’s mcu
@lastmonarchistproduction_253 A boy who wanted to save a princess. That was the story of star wars.
@@CyberLou that's mainly every story until women got their own heroic side
also mcu got lucky in a time when the cinematic universe was a new and exciting concept.. the problems with a cinematic universe are more apparent in phase 4 and 5. you can have ips that work individually and can then team up, but you can't have multiple ips at the same time and develop all of their characters properly without it feeling like exposition dump. eternals, justice league, suicide squad all have failed because of this.
Lucas: imitates one of the best (Kurosawa) to create one of the best space opera.
Snyder: imitates an imitation
I don't think he meant to imitate Star Wars as such; he wanted to make Seven Samurai wearing the skin of Star Wars, the same way Star Wars was imitating The Hidden Fortress as a knock-off Flash Gordon.
The problem is that Lucas understood what made The Hidden Fortress a good story (characters and intrigue) and Snyder didn't do the same for Seven Samurai (CHARACTERS AND INTRIGUE!)
Sounds like a very bad The Thing imitation. A failed experiment.
You can imitate an imitation perfectly fine.
It's when the second imitation misses the point of how imitations tend to work, when it fails.
If a good story imitates star wars, which is itself an imitation, then nobody would care. Sure, people would see the resemblance, but that wouldn't matter if the overall experience was good. Rebel moon just seems like a waste of time for everybody. It has all the SUPERFICIAL elements of star wars without understanding what made that story stand out.
I love the part where the lady has to plant the flag but she's standing on a solid rock so she just holds it up and tries to look cool 😂
That's the advantage of having a really cool looking scene. People's brains switch off to admire the spectacle, and they don't notice that stuff. This is why a lot of people liked the Holdo maneuver scene in Ryan Johnston's The Last Jedi. They simply never thought about how dumb the entire thing was because it was visually pleasing.
I agree, thats the 2nd most memorable scene in that dumpster fire!the 1st prize is... Leias Mary Poppins flight!@@FreakazoidRobots
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 and it's ripped straight from Warhammer 40k's 'Cadia Stands' art piece, the soldiers are even called the same thing.
They could have done the same scene on a hill or something for it to make more sense but Zack decided that the audience probably wouldn't notice that mistake because of the moment. Really bad call on his part.
@@FreakazoidRobots That's Fridge Logic in action!
Filmento you're breaking my heart, I thought we had an agreement that we'd quietly sweep this under the rug and not mention it.
Filmento is a man of duty
Sometimes, you must overcome something that you don't have the guts to do it. But put on a brave face and embrace the worst to come.
There is no more room under the rug.
+ the movie was absolutely formulaic: the asian person is ruled by honor and is the swordsman, the machine is the sentimental one (as a subversion), the gardener used to be the warrior, the indigenous person has the connection with animals, the ruined general looks for redemption. All the above have been explored somehow in some other movies and books, but these formulaic pieces are just smashed together and not explored, as you mentioned.
Yeah, its 7 Samurai.
Where does that cringe 90lbs woman fit in all this? Because that’s becoming a trope all its own.
Every single thing has been explored before. Guess in a 100 years storytelling will be over
@@elfascisto6549 well considering theirs only 7 stories humans tell, through all of time. I think we’ll be fine bud.
Look at my comment in context to the comment i'm replying and see if your reply makes sense. It doesn't.
I was being ironic to show that his criticism of "this element has been done before" is absurd. There was no genuine concern in my comment, it was sarcasm
There's a lesson I remember from creative writing class:
When coming up with your story, ask yourself two questions.
1) Is this the most important moment of the main character's life?
2) If not, why aren't you telling that story, instead?
'Cause that's Saved for the *Sequel* ❕
2) does have some acceptable answers, but they have to be well supported.
These are bad questions
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No, not really. They're just *_definitely_** not* the _only_ ones you'd want to ask. You might even have characters you don't ask them for, but still...
Lex Luthor has a line in BvS where he whispers to General Zod's dead body "You flew too close to the Sun. Now look at you" or something along those lines. I always thought that this one line translates perfectly Snyder's biggest sins, greed and pride. He aims for great heights and wants to tell several plot points and cover lots of ground, but most often than not falls short of his goals and loses ground of his surroundings. He flies too close to the Sun and his wings melt and he falls towards the ground. If only he would listen to his own characters and follow their advices he wouldn't be making so much crap with his movies. 🤷
*This is why I don’t blame WB for dropping him* he delivered two divisive films and couldn’t keep them under 2 hours 30 mins and had plans to adapt a story that’s even more divisive.. so I don’t blame them for dropping him. He squandered all his chances.
What story did he want to adapt that was so divisive?
And thats when they had him on a leash now netflix giving this man full control. When writing is not his strong suit
What about the movies he wasn't involved with, they all sucked big time
@TheSpawnfan - he wanted : a relationship between Lois and Bruce. Lois would’ve had Bruce’s child. Wonder Woman movie where she slept with every soldier in the barracks during wartime. Superman would be brought back - become evil - and get cucked. Bruce would die.. and he wanted Wonder Woman to be the descendant of Kryptonians.
I would tell you my opinion on the Justice League Snyder Cut, but i don't want to start anything.
I just thought of something: the bad guys show up to a random village on a planet. Why? They're not the capital or main village right? So even if they rebel and win whats stopping the bad guys calling for backup?
This is why trying to use Warhammer 40K world elements to make a botched copypasta of Seven Samurai is a stupid idea. Seven Samurai worked because it was a single village vs a single band of outlaws. Kill the outlaws and the problem is solved. A galactic empire is substantially larger than a band of outlaws, or even a single capital ship, so even if you discounted the world-destroying weapons they have, there's no reason to not expect they won't be back, and in larger numbers. Frankly, it's the same problem the Avatar movies have - humanity isn't going to stop after 1 or 2 setbacks, and they haven't even started to make proper war against the na'vi yet.
@@jackkain7141 Not only that, but it is hard to believe that an empire needs all of the food from a small village. Like it is one thing if there's a group on an important mission to, say, sneak in through a backdoor, that needs to live off the land, and therefore they take all of the power source from some place. Then it makes sense that is a smaller group that does belong to an empire, and why they'd target a relatively small village and take it all. They themselves are smaller, they need a certain degree of secrecy, it is fuel which is more cut and dry as to what happens when it runs out, and so on.
@@Axterix13 I read it as just the ship needing it, which at least makes some sense, but... it's a galactic empire ship in the middle of the galactic empire. It wouldn't threaten some rando village for supplies, it'd park over the nearest space port, conduct its business with the planet's traders, and then leave. Because that's both the expedient and logical thing to do. They don't have to threaten or steal, they just buy what they want because they're the government, and they're going to get it from people who deal in the volume they need, not go to some single village on the planet. It's like the US government rocking up with a full military convoy to some amish community out in the boonies and going "Give us your wheat or your lives".
@@jackkain7141 yeah! Plus the village has what, less than 50 people? How is that supposed to feed an entire battle ship with hundreds of soldiers and personnel?
@@Arcademan09 Producing enough food to feed a much larger amount of people than that required to grow it in the first place is kind of the whole point of agriculture. So the village being able to supply the ship isn't really out of the question.
The dumb part is why have an empire ship threaten an empire village for the food instead of going to the space port next door and buying it with empire funds from the planet's traders. You know, the people whose job it is to pool the resources of multiple villages like the one being threatened from across the whole planet to supply people like the empire.
There's no reason for the empire to threaten the village when they'd just buy the food from the people the villagers sell to anyway. It's like Snyder has no idea how a civilization beyond isolated tribes functions, let alone a galactic empire.
The issue I've found is when Snyder tackles a project that isn't a part of an existing property; he's worse when he creates stories from 'scratch'.
Even with Batman and Superman he couldn’t produce a good movie, that man is a hack
Didn’t Rebel Moon start as a Star Wars project… then later Snyder reworked it?
@@MarStoryTime If so, he didn't rework it enough.
His only decent work is with remakes and well established stories. And he still butchered all what makes Watchmen comics unique, considering that's what's considered his best movie.
He just has no idea how to tell a story.
That's what Filmento says at the end. The good work Snyder put out was as a director, only. As soon as he started to write and produce the movies it all went to he'll. Doing all this is way above his capabilities
A great example of trying to have it both ways is when ‘Tarzan’ has to tame the griffin and at first he approaches it softly and horse-whispers it into submission. Very cool, says a lot about that character than in a movie that is already so violent, he has the ability to peacefully… ah, never mind now the griffin freaked out and he has to manually break the animal just like the baddies were trying to do, why? We need that jumping scene, that’s why.
That jumping scene that was then referenced exactly zero times in the rest of the movie. Snyder thinks a payoff is when his check clears.
@@stepper997I saw another video talking about this and how Bloodaxe (or whatever his name was) ends up doing a big jump to get onto the ship, and that's not even the big jump guy!
lil off topic but i love that its just a griffin. like sure its a ooooh scifi alien but at the core its just like a regular fantasy griffin haha
Thats why i prefer Italian's Tarzan (if u know what i mean 😜)
I've never seen that film but the way you described it as someone who has worked on films before good and bad I could hear in my head producers and other people in the studio say we haven't had an action scene for x amount of time. We need to put it somewhere. Let's put it here!
Zack Snyder has reached the point where he is arguably the director with the greatest power to bring his vision of a film unaltered to the screen working today, and it has been clear for a long time that this is not a good thing. I just wish he'd play second fiddle on a production for once and work on using his genuine talent at creating remarkable visuals to express a story actually worth telling.
Exactly! Some people just aren't good at writing. And writing is the most important part of any movie. It doesn't matter how fantastic and cool the visuals are if the story is sh. And it doesn't matter how low budget a movie is if the writing is good. If you care about the characters, it will be fantastic and beloved. And I will never stop losing my mind that they insist on telling the most boring and terrible Star wars stories instead of just adapting the legends books. ITS RIGHT THERE BANE IS RIGHT THERE! 😭
“He has all these cool ideas and promises but they're always somewhere out there, just out of reach.” You’ve articulated the reason why there were people who were never fans of Snyder’s work. Consider that he started his career with a remake and then, outside of Sucker Punch, made nothing but adaptations for the next 17 years. It’s entirely probable that all the potential you see in him *may just be* because he is working with preexisting content that has rich and deep ideas for him to pull from.
He specifically said he likes Snyder as a director who adapts somebody else's stories, not as a writer who makes up their own stories.
@@AnnaMarianne And my point is that Snyder’s ability to “adapt somebody else’s story” may not exist and might be the audience conflating the quality of Zack Snyder’s output with the quality of the material he works with. I think it’s notable that whenever flaws in Snyder’s adaptations are called out, it’s near-always the parts that are significantly different from the source material. You could claim that to be fanboys mad about changes, but while it’s undeniably a factor I don’t think it’s just that.
I remember watching SuckerPunch and thinking it had all the ingredients to make a delicious cake but it ended up tasting like dogshit
It's no coincidence that the two movies Snyder gets praised for the most are the ones with the least amount of changes from the source material, those two films being 300 and Watchmen.
It's also pointing that none of the 'cool ideas' are actually original. He stole the setting from Star Wars (or 40K), the plot from Magnificent Seven (stretched so the movie only covers the recruitment montage rather than the training, preparation, camaraderie building, or the actual battle), monsters from Harry Potter, landscapes that look like they were taken from Dune, ship designs from Firefly, and bringing back the villain with lightning from Batman V Superman, his own movie (or Frankenstein which is probably where he got the idea from).
Even when given total freedom, he just does what other people does. What are the odds the next movie has a skybeam?
I have a friend who is very much a Snyder fan (specifically of his DC movies). Judging from the memes he shows me, telling me they are from social media groups of dedicated Zach Snyder fans, they really do spend most of their time being fans of 'what could have been if X,Y,Z'.
I personally think Snyder is an ok director when he doesn't write a story, but knows how to show it effectively - thus, his best outings are 300 and Watchmen. If he does make a story, he requires at least 5h of runtime for the story to be understood. If someone likes that, sure. But to me that just shows he doesn't know how to write stories...
At the height of when he was running the DCEU, Snyder would always emphasize what a comic book nerd he was and that his fans would say what genius he was and how deep his movies were.
Something I'd point out to his fans was how Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton both admitted to not being comicbook fans growing up yet made better superhero films than Snyder did. Also they too worked with WB but notice how they were still able to make their visions of the films they were making which were all complete stories and didn't require a 3-4 hour long "true version" to come out after the fact
When snyderFans praise JL snyder cut, they always seem to ignore 2 things
1. Not every director gets to see a bad version of a movie, soak up all the criticism and then gets a second chance to make it again, making sure the same mistakes are not committed.
2. A recut would normally mean re editing existing footage to create a new narrative and structure as per the directors original vision. Snyder cut involved rewrites, reshoots and a giant budget that can fund a few low budget movies.
Snyder had talks with Lucasfilm about his Star Wars pitch and they called him delusional lmfao.
Really?
Considering the questionable choices and Directions the Star Wars Film went... it Puts Snyder in a REALLY bad light
@@handsomesquidward5160Rebel Moon was Snyder's pitch to Lucasfilm or Disney for a Star Wars movie; It got rejected.
Even Kathleen Kennedy turned him down 😂 bro is absolutely horrendous
@@SALVI98yep.
Zack Snyder is like M. Night Shyamalan in a way, they're both outstanding directors but subpar screenwriters. But I suspect the difference is that Shyamalan refuses to just tell other people's stories because of his ego (and probably taking away the wrong lessons from _The Last Airbender_ and _After Earth)_ meanwhile Snyder probably would be fine with just directing adaptations of novels, comicbooks and the like but knows that the best way to get the highest pays and the biggest budgets and the biggest creative freedoms is to be a brand, so he _needs_ to be an capital "A" Auteur like Christopher Nolan or Jordan Peele... Reneé Descartes once said that accepting our limitations shouldn't be seen as a faillure but as a freeing experience, that once we stop wasting energy on the puruse of things we will never archieve we can better focus on being the best at wa we CAN archieve, that's what Snyder and Shyamalan need
I totally agree with your point.
He wants to be an "auteur" but he's not.
He'a a bad writer and definitely needs at least a co writer that tells him "No".
He's very good with visuals but when he's writing his movies tend to be mediocre and messy (Sucker Punch) or just plain crap (Army of the Dead).
I wouldn't advise having a drinking game on slow motion scenes, i got hospitalized just 5 minutes in
The extended version doesn't contain any new footage, it just has more slo-mo in existing scenes.
And yet somehow I still couldn’t tell if it was the robot or the sympathetic soldier who killed the would-be r*pist soldier in that one scene when I actually watched it. Oddly enough, I think that kinda killed the movie for me early on without me even fully understanding why initially. Guess that’s just how weak the cinematography was without slo-mo.
This movie is actually heavily inspired by the Warhammer 40k setting, however it fails to capture the things that make 40k so much fun
The first film that came to my mind was Dune, but instead of spices it's a crop harvest.
Yeah, give the empire boarding torpedoes, dammit
@@Xgil2Play40k was heavily inspired by dune in many ways, so that's not surprising
@@latlatko Dune actually takes place in the 40K canon. All sci-fi is canon in 40K. Dune is actually Games Workshop's original IP and you're getting sued for copyright - which is also 40K canon...
@@Xgil2Play honestly, its just 7 Samurai, which is Warhammer 40K canon.
he never did catch the dragon.....😔
Can't wait for future games like 'Fentanyl Zombies Ate My Neighbours', and 'Home Owners 9' 👍
I was more interested in that meme than the film… the concept of the film was so unoriginal it lost me the second I heard it.
At least I was engaged with South Park.
If you try REALLY hard you can touch the tail
@@62sy the episode name is Guitar Queer-O
You know you're a true Filmento fan when you can immediately tell when he starts the sponsor section 🧐
xD
Filmento is the one RUclips whose sponsor sections I always watch.
And the funny thing is, he’s always had this problem; with the mess that was Batman v Superman, he tried to cram the dark Knight returns, injustice, and the death of Superman together instead of just picking a solid story. I tried to warn my peers years ago and they didn’t listen. lol
Snyder just needs to accept that he can't write a screenplay and that you don't need to slo-mo every action scene.
You have to wait for the Snyder Cut of his own movie or maybe the extended edition of that Synder Cut, that's how he makes his movies lmao. He's incapable of telling an appealling story without making it 4 hours long and also a sequel.
im pretty sure he fails to make a compelling story regardless of the hours xD
@@metalface_villainhe’ll just rally his fans to riot about a magical directors cut the doesn’t really exist just to save his ego
"He's incapable of telling an appealling story". there, fixed that for you.
I put it differently. I see it as him being assigned a task that must be finished within the time allotted. Instead, he turns in a project nobody asked for, and it took him an extra two weeks to do it. That is how I see it. Basically, Zack Snyder is a degenerate filmmaker.
If Snyder can't tell a movie in 2 hours and need 4 hours to tell a movie, then he is just a bad director, simple as that.
I think a lot of the problems with Rebel Moon is that he’s counting on the audience to get attracted to the spectacle. He probably has an idea for everything in the universe.
Like the people in the red robes behind the main bad guy. They may not have any story to them now, but with the “lore” of this galaxy they are really important. They are there for a reason but will only be explained further if we the audience care. Similar to the way stories and comics were created in Star Wars ie. there’s a cool background character that people want to learn more about so they make a show or comic about them.
But, another reviewer said it better than I, but the reason Star Wars was so successful was because despite being apart of a larger story in a far away galaxy, it stood alone as its own story.
Rebel Moon seems it relies on things that don’t yet exist. He thinks he can make a show to, in his eyes, EXPAND, the universe when in actuality, there was never enough substance to warrant that said expansion.
I always think these red robe guys are knockoff techoriests.
Then he is free to do a TV series or something like this, not drop a 2 hour movie every three years or so...
Rebel moon is the buttering of bread, but there isn't enough butter and he's taking too long to butter it properly and he hasn't let the butter warm up to spread it evenly, so now you have torn bread with chunks of butter
I know a fan of Suckerpunch and she likes it specifically because she sees it as naked spectacle and lets the cringe fairy tale "excuse" of a story off the hook just to enjoy the girl-fronted action. I think it's important to remember how much of a style-over-substance director Snyder really is. He resents nerds and sees only that he's the one they're paying to make these movies, not the rafts of critics. To him, success is getting the deal to make the movie, not the result of a movie. Filmento's call out that he needs to be working in service of someone else's vision to get a fully realized story is spot-on. I think Warner Bros matches Synder's cynicism with regards to "serious films" the same way a Looney Tunes impulse matched the sarcasm of Matrix Reloaded and Barbie. With a sensitive, creative director that makes something cool, but Snyder is not sensitive.
i think you are giving him way too much credit. he is a one gimmick director like michael bay but without the self awareness.
This is what happened to M night Shamalan as well.
A few dedades back he was being held up as "The next Spielberg"
But then no one could tell him no and he became so obsessed with the idea of making every movie "his movie" he forced restrictions on them simply because he decided a certain trait was goign to be part of his style.
Like he forced panning shots in all of his movies even when they didn't work because "All of my movies must have panning shots".
He forced all movies to be 90 minutes even when he was able to make them longer because "All of my movies are 90 minutes".
It had nothing to do with what the movie needed and was instead about making sure everyone knew his had his fingers all over every aspect of the movie. It was after this that his name became a complete joke. He got a bit of a resurgence once he got over himself and focused on making a good movie and not "his movie" like with split which was 2 hours.
Just try to imagine Split if it had 30 minutes cut out because "this has to be 90 minutes" or if dramatic moments were ruined with uneeded panning shots.
The problem with Snyder is, he is a visual director, not a movie writer. He thinks the point of Batman is to look cool while killing everyone, when Batman is meant to be a detective who solves crime and beat others to near death. He thinks DC needs to be dark and moody when the best movies they made were bright and cheerful. He is, as a director, the best when he is not in control of his own projects, and only the visual aspects. We don't need a Snyderverse, but Snyder-assisted movie
Nah bro is just ass
Let's be honest, in a more "realistic" setting, the Empire would not even bother sending troops to pacify the village, they would just bomb it to make it an example.
This "let's recruit warriors to protect a village" has already been done in better movies since Kurosawa's OG "Seven Samurai", and only works in very specific settings.
The main character recruits warriors to take vengeance upon the empire for senselessly destroying her beloved village and friends.
There. I fixed it.
@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. I call this type solution, "Just Kill John Wick's Dog". Basically, it puts the hero into a bad event that'll never be undone. It also forces the hero outside of the comfort zone that was already destroyed. It gives the hero the drive and motivation to push himself and complete his goals.
Lord of the Rings by Zack Snyder:
"Hey Sam, you're my friend. I'm glad that you chose to help me on my quest to take the One ring to mount Doom, and finally destroy Sauron's influence over the middle earth"
"Yes, It will be a perilous journey far away from the comfortable life we have always known in the Shire, but our friendship will prevail against all obstacles!"
"I'm telling you this so you know who I am."
"It's a ring wraith! Dive behind a tree stylishly!" Slowmo happens.
Let us make the formation of the Fellowship our entire first film! The Ringwraithes can be faced in the next film.
See Also: The Hobbit Films
@@jordanwhite352 Aint true
in pre-production; this movie's working title was "Blue Harvest"
GOT 'EM!
I feel like we learned all this about Snyder back when he made Sucker Punch over a decade ago…
man i really move that movie.
When I started watching this film, I thought that the biggest problem was that there was no Star Wars atmosphere, a mishmash of atmospheres, in other words. But when I watched Rebel moon to the end, I realized that the main problem is - all heroes and villains are the most stupid and illogical morons in both galaxies.
That's so interesting. I actually really liked Rebel Moon, 8.5/10 from me. OTOH, for the most part, I'm indifferent to Star Wars even when I really like sci-fi. What usually happens to me:
Someone: What kind of movies you like?
Me: Fantasy and Sci-fi.
Someone: So you like watching movies like Star Wars?
Me: Uhmm.. yes movies like Star Wars but not Star Wars itself.
For comparison, Interstellar is my fav movie of all time 10/10. Star Wars (all of them) on the other hand for me feels like a non-scifi war movie with outer space as its background. The only major thing I disliked about Rebel Moon is the team recruitment part (recruiting team members one after another). It felt very repetitive and predictable.
@@senantiasa 1. I love sci-fi, but I never liked the Star Wars series. "Rogue one" is the only SW film, that I rated "above mediocre".
2. I'm a fan of WH40K literature (mostly), for me Star Wars as a war film is like cartoons for elementary school children before watching "Furry", or popsicles before a spiced pork steak.
3. I love "Interstellar" too. But I think the film is in a slightly different category. Sky-Fi without war, but more with psychology and cosmology😅
4. This isn't the only thing that looks bad in Rebel Moon. Take also this stupidity, that in the imperial army everyone is forced into love relationships. As if this is the only way to maintain military brotherhood!
Next, it looks very stupid and unrealistic when an imperial ship with a crew of 1000+ people forces a farm to feed itself, although everything
they see that it is not able to provide food for 50+ people. Or are they not capable of calculations, or do they have 30-50+ such farms under their control? why isn't this explained? Besides, why did Command leave farm under control of uncontrollable sociopaths, who turned everyone against themselves?
there are more questions than answers.
@@ТарасМакаренко-ф3ш
1. Thanks, I'll remember that. I might give it a chance.
2. Hahahaha..
3. Yeah, I was just giving a benchmark on what I consider the best. I mean at least Interstellar, Rebel Moon and Star Wars all took place in outer space. "The Tomorrow War" and "Edge of Tomorrow" are about war with aliens and time travel/loop, but they take place entirely on earth. "Ender's Game" is about war to the death in outer space with an alien species but the battle looks like video games (so is it a separate genre?). "Jupiter Ascending" is about war & space, but 50% of the movie is about the love between the two main characters (romance). I think if we rate movies based on categories that are too narrow, we wouldn't be able to compare much.
4. No, it says that in the academy the soldiers were encouraged (not forced) to be in a relationship with one another.
5/Next. Yes, when I was watching the movie, I assumed that the imperial force did the same thing to every single village they encounter. I didn't assume that that one special village will provide food for the entire imperial army. And I think it was explained. She said that she had done what the army is doing to her village countless times before when she was still in the army. In the movie, they weren't talking about feeding the entire imperial army, they were just talking about whether or not that particular village has surplus to spare as a way to serve the motherworld. Actually I think the "surplus" was a major contention in the first part of the movie, never about feeding the entire army.
6. "Besides, why did Command leave farm under control of uncontrollable sociopaths, who turned everyone against themselves?"
>>> I don't know what you mean by this. What kind of people did you have in mind who would be left in charge? The main character girl did say that they are cruel, violent, etc, so I thought the soldiers represented that notion pretty well.
One criticism I had during the movie was that I thought it wasn't believable that the spaceship owner already had a list of individuals who would be perfect to join her party, he knew all their locations and was enthusiastic about adding these individuals. I thought to myself, "Oh how convenient... " and "This thief/bounty hunter in such a short time cares about justice/resistance? That doesn't make sense". But then when he betrayed them all, it all made sense and his actions fit perfectly with his opportunistic character.
He wants everything to have some cool back story. He thinks of Star Wars and how boba fett is a clone and how Anakin actually had an apprentice, and it's all off-screen. But he doesn't get that when these characters were introduced, this stuff didn't exist. It was added as the IP became popular, and there was a demand for more detail and content. When Boba Fett was introduced, he was just a cool bounty hunter in armor, zero backstory. When the prequels were made, Asoka never existed until and animated series happened years later. You let your lore build. You don't force it.
The bad guy being Evil Lloyd Christmas was pretty funny though
Come on Zack, give in to the fans and give everyone what they've been crying out for...
The Owls of Ga'Hoole 2.
I swear that not even in the snyder fanbase, no one talks about that movie.
That was actually a pretty decent film.
Lowkey kind of wants someone else to write the sequel, though...
Even that movie was average at best. Visually spectacular as you'd expect from a Snyder film. But the story and characters were wooden and simplistic, and completely uninteresting, despite Snyder's obvious attempts to display otherwise.
I understand the Star Wars comparison from a story perspective but can we appreciate the "can I copy your homework" attitude it has to Warhammer 40k, the comander of the Imperium's Militarum looking exactly like a commisar from the Imperium of Man's Astra Militarum. And that's not even mentioning the robot making Mechanicus, not to be confused with the servitor making Adeptus Mechanicus.
It isnt just an attitude. Its his default setting. Did you you see Army of the Dead? It's literally beat for beat unapologetic carbon copy of Aliens.
The soldiers looked like Cadian Guardsmen
300 worked because Miller created the storyboard for snyder as well as the story. The moment Snyder creates the storyboard and story it all goes to hell in a handcart.
I like how this movie features Daario Naharis...both of them.
Who ?
@@matthieusaade3616 Game of Thrones (tv-show)
I love Snyder's early works that are based in existing IPs (300, Watchmen, JL) but allowing him to create from the ground up is always a bad idea. He is incoherent, unfocused and more concerned about sneaking more symbolism and story-beat set-up in his shots than making an engaging story.
Army of the Dead was the final nail in the coffin for me, whereas Rebel Moon is the corpse defiling proof of his lack of story-telling talents.
I was about to say that. He does a brilliant visual and technical job, but he can't tell a story and needs a short leash with a firm hand.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu agree he is like Michael Bay, at least the later does not try to make his films more than it actually is and does not have a rabid fan base that declare him the greatest film maker ever.
His JL vision isn't that good either. But. Oh well.
@@mactocmo Michael Bay is probably the best in the English-speaking world at what he does, which is making live-action adaptations of Saturday morning action cartoons for ten-year-old boys.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu well his first Transformer movies worked despite Bay's lack of artistic merit because of the straining hand of Spielberg, and also Bay's movies produced by Jerry Brucheimer are some of the most fun popcorn movies.
It's as if Snyder cut "Star Wars: A New Hope" and "Battle Beyond the Stars" into a ton of pieces, then randomly assembled a bunch of them, with some sprinkling of Harry Potter (riding giant bird thing, giant spider monster).
Honestly, this story is EXACTLY what an AI-written script feels like: OBVIOUSLY cut and pasted scenes from already-existing stories. You can only get away with that (kinda) in a PARODY or SATIRE.
actually AI would have made it much more Self aware than the previous source materials and they will keep looping it for most of the time.
There is a reason why George Lucas was persuaded not to start the movie on Tatooine with Luke on a farm. Steven Spielberg told him to start with the empire capturing Leia, because it shows the audience what the conflict is and who are the sides the hero must choose between.
That's kinda how the extended cut will start. With more about Noble.
You are absolutely correct about only foreshadowing and not focusing on what is on the present. One of the problems in BvS was, whatever is cool, its all in the future (The Justice League, Barry's time travel message, Darkseid's coming). Too many future thingy while what is happening in the present is not as interesting
Correct me if im wrong but the plot sounds very similar to A Bug's Life
Yes! Evil men are coming to take your food so you have to go to a bar to recruit warrior bugs…I mean, rebels to fight them!
And that's based on Seven Samurai.
"it's the studio's fault!" Well now this movie was 100% him and it's atrocious. *He has good visuals and a great eye for cinematography* I will fully admit it, 300 still looks amazing but he needs someone to smack him when he goes too far
or follow a script.
I find that flashbacks nearly always take me out of the story. Flashbacks should be the start of the story, movie, show, etc. isntead
I have the view of the back story is important then it is the story......
I think that the first film should have been her rise then her escape would make more sense have more emotion
Indeed it is a very poor start wars if that is what he is trying to achieve
Depends. They can be utilized very effectively. Vikings for example makes fantastic use out of flashbacks. On the moviemaking side of things, Nolan has mastered flashbacks as well.
They can be extremely effective and elicit a powerful reaction. They just have to be set up well and used to pack the full punch of the scene that it is used around.
@@alexman378 That's fair, however more often than not they are cliche, even Nolan's recent usage in Tenet was so
I really think this should have been the second movie in a trilogy, all the cool and interesting stuff happens in the past.
They are often done poorly, but on occasion are used to great effect... Often when the flashback doesn't take you out of a story, but instead adds to it, providing motivations or ideas that are needed for the viewers, but are not needed for the character to ever explain in the present. I especially liked how they were used in Project Hail Mary, where the flashbacks were an integral part of the story in the present, where they have a reason to be there within the narrative beyond just filling us in on past events. Hoping they don't mess that one up when(/if) they make the movie.
He should have made it into a series... could tell one cool story per episode... and take like 8 hours for the whole thing... nobody would bat an eye.
This is a problem not enough people talk about. Movies like this or Mortal Kombat (2021) are chasing this level of storytelling that is much better suited for an 8-episode run.
Roger Corman made the exact same movie, Seven Samurai/ Star Wars rip-off, back in the early 80's.
It's called "Battle Beyond the Stars", cost a fraction of the budget that Snyder has, was made with 1980's technology and it's waaaay better that the turd, that Snyder churned out.
Then again, James Cameron & his later wife, Gale-Anne Hurd, worked on that, the pair that created Terminator, just a couple of years later.
Yes. From the start I thought I was watching a less fun version of Battle Beyond the Stars.
I only like two of Zack Synders' films. 300 and Watchmen.
He didn't even created them visually, those were taken shot by shot from the comics
Same here.
And Three Hundred Spartans is a better movie than 300
Bro destroyed Watchmen original vision even coping stuff page by page. That's some hidden talent there.
@@PPrexor-qk9vq How did he destroy it?
I was really hoping you would’ve ended this video super abruptly to just really bring the point home. I would’ve anticipated a sequel to this “review” lol
I like it whenever you cover lesser known movies like this, and seventh son. Could you do a video on Pacific Rim Uprising, and how it failed at charector.
There's no movie of that name.
Pacific rim was a standalone film that deserved a sequel.
Too bad there is no sequel.
@@EchoesFromCornYeah, there is no sequel for Pacif Rim
Zack shows in moviemaking what is common knowledge in music: some bands need an employee producer, some bands need a boss producer.
Zack Snyder is the Tech Bro of filmmaking. He's all about having big concepts that sound good on paper to fool investors into giving him money to make a thing that WILL EVENTUALLY be cool, but like, in the next quarter/phase/iteration/version of the thing, or the next one, or the next one...
1:22 Just to add to the list, it even takes the inspiration for star wars, with a new hope being based on Akira Kurosawa's "The hidden fortress" and this movie taking in his other film "Samurai Seven"
Kora's backstory would've made for a much better first movie in the franchise, and we'd already have the needed context for lore that Rebel Moon tried to force-feed us through its constant wiki-dumping.
The robot is used (stupidly) to conceal a twist. at the end, there were 6 of them who returned. then the robot is shown at the very end, which makes him the 7th member of their group(because they need their count to be seven just like in Seven Samurai/The Magnificent 7).
I watched this movie with a friend. Emotions that we get are somewhere between frustration and being bored.
I had in mind that he is trying to do something like Mass Effect 2, when here gathering squad to face extreme challenges, but in Rebel Moon it does not work.
Tarzan guy is just useless for story and useless for team, despite his beast control and acrobatic skills.
Same with general guy. His setup that he is strong leader, but he indeed just shooting
Pilot guy, is like traitor taxi driver. He deliver group from A to B and then says "I don't care about our journey. I'm traitor now!"
Although, team and characters look cool, they don't do much. There some setups but no payoffs
Movie feels like: exposition > action > exposition > action > exposition > action in too obvious and boring way.
I don't want to start about logical issues in motives and and actions...
If this movie was a music video it would work perfectly
In order to keep myself awake I started counting all the slow motion moments...
This movie still convinced me about One thing: Zack wasn't around when they shot the warehouse scene in Batman vs Superman
This is the problem of attributing the entirety of a movie to one director. People start thinking that the director is the one who creates everything instead of just, you know, directing. And so producers and executives suddenly think it's a good idea to give directors full creative rein
This is exactly what I think when I saw the movie. They really should just make the flashback as entire movie. The story about Korra been adopted by the general after her planet been attacked, she joined the army and fell in love until the lover died in battlefield, she became the royal bodyguard for the royal family and create bond with the princess until her adopted father toppled the government and she went hiding in small village. All this is better movie than the whole recruiting plot.
His movies are always stunningly beautiful to look at, but composed of a series of beautiful still frames he seems to be trying to hit with everything between feeling like it is lazily phoned in to get to the next cool still shot. And yeah, the still frames are freaking immaculate, utterly amazing. But when there is no real connective tissue, it can just feel boring or nonsensical.
How much of that stuff that people love his movies for is him though, and how much is Larry Fong (his usual cinematographer/director of photography)? Maybe he is giving Larry more room to work than other directors and thats what is making films that get thought of as Snyder films so quintessentially beautiful. But if you wrote down the responsibilities of each role and mapped that to what people like in the movies, it does not look favorably on Zach.
There's a video on Batman V. Superman that talks about how Snyder doesn't care about themes or characters, he only cares about "moments".
Watching this movie reminded me of the scene in Rick and Morty when he's assembling his own heist crew (Ultimate Heist Crew)
I’m reminded of the part at the end of that where Morty is pitching his Heist Movie script to Netflix and he realizes how stupid it sounds as he’s saying it because he watched it play out already. That’s what should have happened to Rebel Moon to be honest.
Exactly. Zach Snyder should just be a director. Bringing other people's stories to life. That's what he's best at.
See, I'd agree, but his adaptations have ranged from solid (300, but I can do a whole rant on Frank Miller's problems) to poor (his DC stuff, Watchmen, Dawn of the Dead). His problem is that he doesn't seem to get the work he's adapting.
And let's be fair, Paul Veerhoeven managed to make a compelling and nuanced counterpoint to Starship Troopers without reading it, but he's also a certified insane genius. Snyder is not that.
It's sad how this turned out. I was extremely excited to watch it. I watch the first 30 min and had to switch it off. The blurry background literally gave me a headache. I have a nice 4K tv and seeing all that blurriness wasn't good. I wish he would stop doing that. Basically Zack took A New Hope and The Magnificent Seven, left out the Hope and the Magnificent and left us with A New Seven.
Snyder made BvS and Justice League which are 2 of the worst CBMs I've ever seen, and they cost the WB over $500M to make them both. Hollywood has lost its mind and continue to throw insane amounts of money to talentless hacks.
Rebel Moon also borrow heavily many of Warhammer's naming and aestethic, not to the Full Gothic but you can spot the influence from the weapon and armor design.
Funny story: the original Star Wars was not billed as “Episode IV” during its original release, they just called it Star Wars. That’s because you have to earn that shit!
And how originally there was no "To be continued" at the end of the first Back to the Future movie. That was added later
And George Lucas mostly wanted that name because he was making a homage to movie serials.
Last time I was this early, Snyder was still making good movies.
You’re right, the movie should have opened with rebels, destroying an empire, food manufacturing hub, or transport that was going directly to this military group.
I still remember getting out of the theatre after seeing "Sucker Punch" (which I mostly enjoyed), and being lost in thought about what I'd just seen. My wife looked at me and asked, "What's the matter? Something's bothering you. You didn't like the movie?"
I remember replying, "I'm extremely frustrated by it. It keeps taking you out of its main story, which is actually a super-stylish escape movie, and presenting you with more interesting places and scenes that have nothing to do with that story. I get why he's doing it, that it's multifaceted symbolism and commentary on escapism and objectification, but I keep wanting him to focus on just *one thing* and make it good." I'm reminded of that with RM.
People say Larry Fong is the key of Snyder's success. I'm starting to believe it
Who is Larry Fong? I've never heard that name before
@@alejandroreyes8878He’s the cinematographer behind 300, Watchmen, BvS. Incredible artist, but weirdly, he hasn’t worked with Snyder in about 8 years.
@@alejandroreyes8878he's the cinematographer for a lot of his old works like 300 and watchmen.
Disagree completely. Man of Steel is one of his best movies, Larry Fong was not a part of it.
@@juanprc10 More of an exception than the rule. Snyder's best movies - and that includes cinematography heralded by Fong - are BvS, 300 and Watchmen.
Rebel Moon… yet another L for Snyder. Come on bro, you made 300, Man of Steel and Justice League. Gotta keep it up
Those movies were fine at best - and even then - they were with characters he didn’t create.
@@firstlast9846and he didn’t write the scripts. Yeah, stick to your strengths Zach: directing slo-mo fight sequences.
@@firstlast9846also, 300 was great! Yeah, the rest of those were mediocre.
Man of Steel was mid tbh.
300 without the slow motion would have been like 20 minutes. Imagine them all fighting at normal speed, the whole time. Yeah.
Snyder doesn't know how to tell stories. Period. The end. He's on the same level as the Wachowskis; made 1-2 good/great movies and nothing good after that.
To me it really feels like a serie that got condensed into a film. You jump from self-contained plot to self-contained plot with an overarching plot of forming the group, it's not that it's a sidequest in the main quest of the movie, it's just that it's a serial format twisted and forced into the movie format. A serie of banding the team together and then a movie about the band doing it's stuff would have been great.
Dude the Bioshock Infinite objective sound at 11:56 scared me because that's my phone's notification sound 😂
Snyder is absolute masterclass when he's behind the camera. Not so much at writing scripts, ESPECIALLY original scripts.
So to answer the question of "What movie should Znyder do?", my mind came up with the *Robotech* live-action movie that has been in development hell (but never cancelled, somehow) for almost two decades by now.
Why? Not only because the original show was a recut of a pre-existing *action anime* from the 70's, but also because it'll give Snyder the possibility to go absolutely wild with the *cinematography* of the mecha action without having to worry too much about coming up with *compelling/dimensional characters* to boot, as the work for Rick Hunter, Roy Fokker and Lynn Minmay (among others) would be already cut up for him, thanks to the cartoon and the anime (Super Dimension Fortress Macross) that's based off. Should Snyder finally take advantage of his passion for the anime medium at last.
As long as he's not the director or photography or writing the story.
He's really hurt that "behind the camera" cred here recently. He served as DP for each of his last two films and both are BY FAR the worst looking movies he's ever made.
I'd rather we get an anime remake or something and let the Macross franchise flourish without licensing drama or unnecessary adaptations.
I don't understand how someone can copy elements so blatantly from 40k and think it wouldn't be pointed out.
The snake things and the device is a perfect example: make them a shape shifter hot lady and now you have your weird sci-fi pleasure snakes and some eye-candy for the audience while also cutting down on the screentime since it's 1 scene instead of 2 and you prolly even cut out some of the CGI and prop stuff while also making it somewhat understandable like "why tf are there snake- oh hot lady got it". Literally took me like 30 seconds to think of that
did you type this with one hand?
A space fareing empire needing a medieval style town's food must be the dumbest plot that has ever been filmed
This reminds me of a lesson my creative writing teacher taught me in high school, “is the story you’re writing the most interesting part of your character’s life? No? Then why the hell aren’t you writing THAT story?”
Ok, so I kinda zoned out at some point and realized the nice soldier wasn't in it anymore. What happened to him?
I somehow knew one day filmento would talk about "40k star wars".
Zack Snyder should do what he did with Watchmen (extended). Take an already existing brilliant piece of work, adapt it faithfully except for very specific moments that would work better in cinema, and don't compromise his vision to release "cut" versions of his movie.
After I read Watchmen and then rewatched the film adaptation I dont think that Snyder really brought out its full potential. It felt really surface level and misses some of the subtext of the story but this gets overlooked because Snyder's film has good action and visuals
Even in Watchmen, he does kind of miss some of the point of the scenes in the novel. Particularly when making Rorschach not a dick, because he's a far right fascist totalitarian conspiracy nut. For example, when he apologizes to Dan, we should be left questioning whether he means it or whether it's manipulation to get what he wants. And glorifying the violence, weirdly enough, runs counter to the intentions of the novel. But Snyder, by all appearances, worships the Dark Age of Comics and keeps repeating the mistakes of that era. Missing the point of Watchmen in the same way that the Dark Age of Comics also missed the point.
"Vision" 😂😂😂
Or at least he needs to find a damn good writer or editor who’s willing and able to manage him creatively. Even great creative filmmakers like George Lucas and Tarantino had excellent editors to make sure they kept the best bits of their ideas and removed the worst bits, whilst what made the Pirates Trilogy magnificent was the DUO of Verbinski and Bruckheimer. Rebel Moon does have some creative ideas sprinkled in, but it’s the lack of any congruent narrative tying it together. He could produce something original instead of purely an adaptation, but he needs someone to focus the creative direction so he can do what he does best instead of ruining his best qualities with his worst ones.
Rorschach was/is awesome. Lefty creeps hate him because they know what Rorschach would do to them if locked in a room. Same thing he did to the pdf file creep in the movie.@SageVallant
Its a rare thing to find such a poorly written and plotted film with such high production values . This really should have been a Star Wars movie.
Snyder's career was over when Army Of The Dead was released. In this case, he built a story based on an existing IP's backstory and then tried to retrofit it as an 'original' property with ZERO backstory. He's the Ultimate example of Style over Substance.
"Snyder, you need to stop thinking about making sequel, you need to think about making one movie"
It sort of feels like this should have been a series. The first couple episodes of season one would introduce Kora and set up the season. The middle episodes would each be dedicated to introducing and fleshing out one of the main team members, while ramping up the tension and conflict. And the final episodes would be them working together to make a plan to defend the village and end with the final showdown.
The main problem with Zack is that he likes to make a business cut and then his own cut. It kills the point of the first release, because he's hiding the actual movie 4hrs long that was supposed to be released.
This movie felt like Snyder had locked himself in a room with a gun to the editors head telling him to "add more slow-mo".
What's wild is that, of all the cool ideas Snyder shoved in this movie, there's nothing for Honsou's character. I thought he was going to get into some gladiatorial combat, he just gets a shower and a stern talking-to.
''Strong female character who is 90 pounds soaking wet yet can beat up guys twice her size launches a rebellion against an all male empire dressed like its 1940s Germany.''
How many times have we seen this now? Quick lesson for anyone reading this who wants to be a script writer: the more generic your concept, the better your writing needs to be in order to stand out. If this film didn't have Snyder's name attached to it then it would have been immediately forgotten.
It’s sad because Sofia Boutella definitely has some kind of talent going for her as far as I can tell; I just hope she doesn’t fall into that same trap Milla Jovovich did where she keeps getting cast as, well, generic “strong female characters” who are simultaneously invincible, attractive, and lacking in actual personality. And yeah, the decision to make her into a super-strong bruiser is kinda odd when you take her actual talent set into account; if anything, making her a stealthy assassin who relies on agility like her character in that one Kingsman movie (admittedly haven’t really watched it, but you get the point) seems like it would inherently make more sense because that’s what she’s more built for.
Maybe Synder has to change mediums. He should try tv series with how convoluted and roundabout he writes story lines a tv series might work?
That segue into the ad was just 10/10. Had me smiling from ear to ear.
I have been a Snyder fan since Sucker Punch and even that film suffers from Snyder's biggest problem as a filmmaker, which is too MANY ideas. In almost all of his films, he has so many ideas that are usually amazing, but so many that he doesn't get to explore. Due to the lack of quality control on his films, he tries to shove EVERYTHING in at once instead of focusing on the central idea and supporting elements.
If Snyder learns to focus on the central idea (or surrounds himself with people that can rein him in from his worse tendencies), he could make truly amazing films.