Rebel Moon 2 - When a Director Holds His Own Funeral | Anatomy of a Failure
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Rebel Moon Part 2: The Scargiver is here, and it's even worse than before. All the Zack Snyder issues discussed before in my last video (Rebel Moon - How a Director Became His Own Worst Enemy ) are once again on full display. And at this point it doesn't seem like he's getting better any time soon. So for one last time, let's see what's the problem with Zack Snyder and why it's time to say goodbye to him.
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REBEL MOON - PART TWO: THE SCARGIVER continues the epic saga of Kora and the surviving warriors as they prepare to sacrifice everything, fighting alongside the brave people of Veldt, to defend a once peaceful village, a newfound homeland for those who have lost their own in the fight against the Motherworld. On the eve of their battle the warriors must face the truths of their own pasts, each revealing why they fight. As the full force of the Realm bears down on the burgeoning rebellion, unbreakable bonds are forged, heroes emerge, rebel moon 2 honest trailer everything wrong with rebel moon 2 fight scene battle scene robot scene best moments action moments slow motion bad movie good movie rebel moon 3 explained ending reactionand legends are made. From Zack Snyder, the filmmaker behind 300, Man of Steel, and Army of the Dead, REBEL MOON is a 2-part movie event decades in the making. 
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What does it say about Snyder when his 1st movie, the remake of Dawn Of The Dead, was arguably his best movie?
Hey Fil, could you make a video about why Argylle fails where Fall Guy works or Arcane season 1?
I also think that your Alternate Cinema for BvS could use some good use for Arcane season 2. If it does, will you make video about it?
Could you do a writing advice video on tv shows? Like Arcane or Breaking Bad?
Please watch Challengers and The Fall Guy to wash off the bad movie stink you have right now!
also always passing your data to the Chinese government
One of Zack Snyder's biggest weaknesses is his lack of self awareness
Zack Snyder the kind of dude who thinks "show, don't tell" means literally no dialogue and lots of slow motion and CGI.
Insert clip of him saying he's not the slow motion guy here
Self awareness is a major weakness every creative struggles with, but Snyder doesn't even try. I think every creative team needs someone who can help others think outside their own boxes.
Brooooooooo 😂 @@MarvinPowell1
@@MarvinPowell1 More like "slow, don't tell". lol
@@MarvinPowell1not only, in this movie a few dialogues are still exposition... the very thing to avoid
Imagine if Luke was still on Tatooine by the end of Empire Strikes Back, and Darth Vader's ultimate plan was to steal the moisture he'd been farming.
Great analogy
Laughed at the vader line
And we spend a lot of Return watching him farm that moisture instead of them actually defending their farm
Don't forget like 40 minutes of Luke bottling water in slow motion
I think he's trying to copy Dune more than Star Wars. Instead of Spice, its grain
>MC kills the innocent child she was supposed to be protecting
>Refuses to kill the bad guy
>Kills random guards on her way out
Gee, I surely hope the 4+ hour director's cut make sense of that...
I haven't seen the movie, but that is almost always the case. Action heroes have no reservations about killing the minions (perhaps many of them just working joes in security that don't even know they are working for a "bad" guy), but when you get to the big bad it is always an ethical dilemma whether you kill him.
@@exhaustguy Yep. In this movie's case, it wouldn't have mattered anyways, since the evil empirr can outright resurrect people apparently.
That's even more reason to shoot the bad guy... But oh, well...
It won't. Actually it will be way more terrible.
Yeah like are we supposed to feel sorry for her? She only turned against the baddies when SHE was betrayed.
Is it going to a single director's cut, or a director's cut for both movies? 8-9 hours of a poorly written Sci-Fi Seven Samurai rip off ought to be a war crime.
Zack Snyder be like, "My movies are always polarizing" to deflect criticism.
His movies are polarizing because his fanboys are refusing to admit that they're bad.
Yes I am so polarized rn
And also "the studio forced me to cut 3 hours of scenes that would have made the movie better".
Can't be polarizing if they're universally all turd sandwiches
He meant half his movie runtime is comprised of Polaroids.
Want my advice, just watch "Seven Samurai" and "A Bug's Life" back to back.
Battle beyond the stars.
It's the magnificent seven in space, done by more competent filmmakers.
@@DonVigaDeFierro Yeah, I enjoyed it for what it was. The theme music is quite memorable.
Even better, just wach RRR, it's everything Snyder was supposed to shoot for before he got high on his own ego.
@@michaelriverside1139 What's RRR?
Better idea: Get an AI to combine the two premises of "Seven Samurai" and "A Bug's Life" and have it set in space.
It'll still literally be better than Rebel Moon.
Michael Bay knows his strengths and weaknesses, and he doesn’t try to masquerade his action movies as introspective thoughtpieces. Zack Snyder, does all of that and more. He thinks he can make the next Hitchcock or Kurosawa movie but doesn't have the skills to do so.
All of the flak people give him, Bay is extremely self-aware. His films are cool ads for toys for children and young teens so he gave them just that. People love to pretend Transformers is some Shakespeare level of writing even though the fan favorite and OG G1 is literally a toy commercial that has a plot in it
@@quakethedoombringeryou know a director is bad when he’s being unfavorably compared to Michael freakin’ Bay of all people. Just sayin’
I hate when ppl compare Zack Snyder with Michael Bay, because at least, Bay it's very consistent with his movies, we all know what we're going to get, and he's totally aware of that, doesn't try to be the next Hitchcock or make his movies pretentious. With Snyder, we don't know what's gonna happen, we either have a good movie, like Dawn of the Dead or whatever the hell Rebel Moon was
Let's not forget, those 5 transformer movies he made are still considered to be high grossing box office.
Yeah, true
The thing worser than this movie are all the Snyder cultists claiming it’s good
where can I find these cultists?
I am asking because I desire to troll some.
Yeah I really don't get those people. It really feeds his ego too
The thing that's even worse than that is that they say it's better than Dune Part 2.
I haven't seen a single Snyder fan talk about these ngl. They try to focus on the new superman to cope
Worser? Should've been more worserer
*And yet somehow* people want this man to direct and write for DC again 💀
He only bad at original work
But when he direct a movie that based on existing one
He is a best director
@@kathir4717wrong answer
Not anymore they don't.
@@kathir4717 His Dawn of the Dead remake and 300 are both garbage. Zack Snyder has always been a hack. Army of the Dead gives him the distinction of making two of the worst zombie movies ever made, but he still fails equally at making original works and adaptations.
@@kathir4717 Zack Snyder isn't good at writing anything, that's the problem. He should basically be relegated to a visual consultant and that's about it. Directing, writing and anything other that doesn't involve that much visuals should be relegated to people who actually know what they're doing.
Zack Snyder should be strapped down and forced to see the wonders of good lighting, good writing, and no slow mo.
No reason to remove slow mo when S.S. Rajamouli makes his recent movies look like a Tiktok Schoolyard brawl.
A Clockwork Orange style
@@michaelriverside1139Telugu movies are on a whole another level
Ehh you're wrong except the story part
He's an incredible cinematographer lmao, and a visual genius.
Hollywood see's that, which is why he gets the big movies.
But his stories need work, being a director writer is a hard gig, so far only Tarantino has consistently made memorable movies as a director writer.
He stretched himself out too thin, but it's understandable because he's passionate.
@@thewat668becos he’s passionate? He could just leave the writing and focus on the Directing why having to stretch yourself so thin only to flop
The thing I’m disappointed with the most is the set up at the end, a space warrior traveling the cosmos to find the princess she thought she’d killed: that’s a pretty kick ass sci-fi concept. But instead we focus on this random farming village.
That’s the problem, pretty much everything else we hear about in these films seems far cooler and more epic then the actual story we got.
“Everyone’s pushing small town rural. A farm book would just be white noise.”
-Miles Finch, Elf (2003)
Yeah. For a brief moment I was curious. A reaaallly brief moment. Missing magical sci fi space princess mystery? I could roll with that. Could even roll with her former bodyguard being the one to find her after betraying her. It's fine if they use overused tropes to telll a good story whatever
Also, what's going to happen to the village in the next part? They've gone from minor nuisance to proven threat at the end of this movie. Even by the movie's own lore, it's completely expected that the empire is going to respond by sending several capital ships in and just glassing the place from orbit.
She'll be searching in slow mo
Now I understand why Disney rejected this masterpiece
i dont .... .have you seen Disney lately ?
@@hakuunna3829 he was rejected even with today's Disney standards
@@hakuunna3829 i'd rather watch disney's recent films than rebel moon
Not like Rise of Skywalker was any good.
@@Dinosaurianationazation Dude, it was a joke. Relax man
Zack Snyder decided to remake 'Seven Samurai' but, in space.
He even split it into two movies and somehow forgot to give his character's backstories in either, hence the 'lets sit down and learn eachother's reasons to fight' scene right before Act III.
Zach really wanted that sitting arrangement to talk about backstories to be akin to 'the Last Supper'.
Which has already been done with the anime Samurai 7
He made it like somebody who was told the story of the 7 Samurai one time 30 years ago then tries to make a movie out of it from memory.
@@tjsogmc Now with even more....slow....mo.....grain....
And don't forget he crammed in Star Wars, the Matrix, Harry Potter, Warhammer 40K, Dune, a Bug's Life, IRobot, and a pre-industrial era farming documentary while failing to do any character work. Though that might be the reason why there was no real backstories. Too many "ideas."
He's become one of the biggest cautionary tales in film as to why form must follow function.
Fimento's critiques and Ryan George's pitch meeting have eliminated the need for me to watch 90% of the movies coming out. Thank you for your service 😂
Watching Filmento and Pitch Meeting instead of the actual movie is *tight!*
@@vsGoliath96 super easy, barely an inconvinience
I did watch both rebel moon movies... it's worse than what either pitch meeting or filmento could ever hope to show, even if they combined their skills together! It's really that bad!
Is it true that both Filmento and Ryan's moms are named Martha?
That is not 90% of the movies coming out.
Beside all your excellent points, the fact that the protagonist choose to kill the child in the past (but then didn't bother to kill the big baddy in the same scene) and killing the medics (and the unarmed coal shovelers) in the Dreadnought did not sit well with me.
I wonder just how bad Rebel Moon 2 was for even Snyder fanatics admit that it was terrible.
it has 30 min of slow mo farming, so..
thats the neat thing, some wont even admit that lol
The funny thing is, all the "Snyder bros" are just bots. ...Paid by Snyder himself.
It had a scene where the characters literally just sit in a circle and exposition dump their tragic backstories, one after another. It’s as cringy and awkward as it sounds.
@@captainuseless2120 they’re all the same story as well btw, the army killed my family and I want to avenge them
I as extremely disappointed that "Tarzan" didn't get to fight while riding a giant griffen creature.
What was the point? 🤦♂️
One supposedly cool establishing scene to represent the whole of his character and literally nothing else. Basically whatever one else seems to have gotten besides Kora and I guess the samurai lady who hilariously dies in her first major fight.
The point was “wow cool visuals”. What, was the filimmaker supposed to tell a story or something? Is that what people want from movies? Plot?? Character development?
THIS!
We spend the first movie, getting all these warriors together who supposedly have some amazing skills and they didn't do anything during the final battle!
Like the Asian chick, with the discount lightsabers. I was expecting her going full-on Rurouni Kenshin and busting out some awesome sword fighting moves and what not.
She had 1 lame, slow-motion fight against 4 enemy soldiers and just dies right afterwards.
Or Djimon Hounsou's character, who is hyped up as the greatest general in the galaxy.
I was expecting him to come up with some cool guerilla warfare tactics, right?
His whole strategy was: 'Put the sacks of flour as cover." and when that didn't work: "Do a frontal assault against a superior enemy force."
Sun Tzu, Alexander the Great and Napoleon have nothing on this guy, when it comes to battle strategies!
Maybe Zack should work on short stories, like an anthology. He seems to have ideas like a kitchen full of ingredients and tries to make a pizza with toppings from tomatos to grapes, adds garlic and potatos to the dough and sprinkles it with pepper and skittles. Maybe, just maybe, he should try separating pizza from salad from dessert.
It's like he throws all the raw ingredients into the pot at once instead of just focusing on the flour and making dough. Just all focus on superficial "creativity" with no attempt to leave any ideas for later. I feel like this is too common for people who make good things because they have good intuition instead of understanding the theory. You have a slight change in mindset and everything you do is suddenly shit
@@phobics9498 "Leaves no ideas for later."
Yet all of his ideas are relegated to flashbacks and statements of future intent. He both uses all his ideas, _and_ does nothing with any of them.
Now that would be a good idea
"It looks good and I understand it, but I just don't care" That perfectly sums up a lot of this movie.
It doesn't look good though, it's all so drab and brown. I get some moives have a desaturated look but this is ugly. Just watching the clips here and I've had enough.
@@101Mant i hate the overuse of slow-motion
Dear lord Snyder, not EVERYTHING needs to be explained in long boring monologues.
There are SO MANY of them in here.
“Show don’t tell” can be taken way too far, and it seems Snyder has become a particularly embarrassing example of that.
Nah, there's a lot of telling, literally there's 2 scenes where they talk about the characters back stories and one of them is a girl describing the characters
@@cesar6447 🤦🏻
@@cesar6447 Seems like he nailed the worst of both worlds.
I don't think Snyder understands what "show don't tell" is supposed to mean.
Here's an example: you want to convey that the Citadel in "Mad Max: Fury Road" uses water and the fact it can grow crops as its means of staying in power:
Tell: A random character talks about how the Citadel sits on a giant aquifer, and the use it to grow crops, before explaining that this is how the Citadel, and by extension, Immortan Joe, hold onto power. They also explain that he never gives the masses enough water, while making it look like he's being generous.
Snyder's take: A slow motion harvest of all the crops, including shirtless men hauling the water up, building the hydroponics room, and growing the crops, all while Immortan Joe lifts heavy objects and shouts at his slaves. One scene has him pull these massive, oversized levers, unleashing a slow-motion waterfall followed by a shot of slow motion people appearing to celebrate in the rain caused by the waterfall. And then, without prompting, the people dancing in the rain start fighting each other over getting cups under the water, with no explanation on why. Then we pan to Immortan Joe laughing. Cue more shots of the hydroponics bay, and people fighting with the rain now absent. This is all done with no context. He's not using the visuals to tell a story, he's just putting some cool images on the screen.
Showing (ie: what the movie actually did): Immortan Joe gives a speech and then opens the water floodgate. This is what everyone is waiting for, as they're all carrying bowls and cups, moving closer. He opens it, and shuts it, and it pans to people fighting over the puddles left from the waterfall. Then, a short scene of Immortain Joe walking through a hydroponics bay. The hydroponics bay isn't even the important part of the scene: it's just a room he's walking through.
2006: Audiences: "Wow, 300 kicked so much ass! What a manly movie!"
2009: Audiences: "Did you see Watchmen? That movie was amazing."
2011: Audiences: "Sucker Punch was alright visually, but I don't really remember what the plot was about."
2013: Audiences: "Okay, Man of Steel wasn't _that_ bad; just different."
2016: Audiences: "So that's not what I was expecting from a Batman vs Superman movie..."
2017: Audiences: "How do you even screw up the first movie team-up of the Justice League? Like, how?! That should be dummy-proof."
2021: Audiences: "Okay, that sucked _less_ than the first Justice League, but I don't think any real people were actually asking for this..."
2023: Audiences: "Rebel Moon was not a good movie, but at least Snyder is passionate about his work and tries his best..."
2024: Audiences: "This guy clearly has no storywriting or creative talent whatsoever."
2025: Audiences: "Episode X is literally the worst-anything from Star Wars ever made."
So only 2 out of 9 that Snyder movie is actually good
Dawn of the Dead was the best for me.
And those 2 were adaptations of award winning comics. So, you know, somebody had already written all the story for him.
@@StofenThe1st And as an adaptation Watchmen is disastrous, so he didn't even do that well.
Justice League 2.0 suck
I like It IS cool IS better BUT SIX FCKING HOURS TO TELL THE SAME AS THE MAIN MOVIE
You are a bad director i can tolerate 2,30 or 3 hours but the double IS bad work
I've said this on another videos, but it's something that really bugs me, THIS PLANET, THIS TINY VILLAGE, it's the only place on the galaxy that produces grain, on a galaxy where you can travel across one point to another with magic genitalia portals, there's no other way to feed an army, or produce food.
There are other places to get grain, the empire just likes fucking with this village for a laugh
From what I remember, this village was the only one in the sector that grew grain. Grain that the empire was willing to *buy* until one of them told the general they had sold their surplus to the rebels. I think the empire was even willing to buy it then, just leaving some soldiers behind to make sure the farmers didn't get any ideas about selling it again (I'm not 100% sure of the last bit, I refuse to watch it again but I do remember the 'willing to buy' thing.)
Same thing with Dune and the spice planet. But no one mentions that.
@@lacanam But on Dune, it's very specific that the Spice or the Melange, can only be found at Arrakis that's why it's important for the galaxy, that's even the slogan for the book/movie
General Noble was the leader of a expeditionary force at the frontier of the empire, his warriyng went too long, supplies dwindled, so he needs food and that village would make food... in 3 months... that wouldn't last to feed even his capital ship for a week ...that's explained at the start, minus the stupid illogical parts. That's what happens when you take the plot of an old japanese movie and shoe-horn it into a 'epic' galactic opera.
I have never grown to hate a director so much as Zack Snyder. He started out with such great promise and now all we do is make fun of him for slow-mo because that's all he does is slow motion. But that's all he's ever done, go back and watch 300.
He really doesn’t know shit about writing. He needs good writers to carry him. The “Dawn of the Dead” remake was his best film imo. Why? Because James Gunn wrote it.
He really is the one who's destroying his own pedigree. Not studios, HIM.
Much like Shyamalan, he made ONE good film and suddenly he believed his own legend. Everything he made after Sixth Sense is garbage, and he's unable to see that.
@@artbargra I mean shyamalan is at least more entertaining than him. Unbreakable and Split were enjoyable. I haven seen much of his other movies though.
Zack Snyder only create moments and stitches them with thin storyline.
This. Exactly. That's why trailers of his hilm are decent, unlike the movies themselves. I loved MoS teaser trailer, hated the movie.
The problem with Zack Snyder is if the thing he's working on hasn't already been pre-written or in the case of 300 or watchmen, completely laid out for you, he has no idea what to do. Everything he's made based on original material has been shit, everything he's made based off of someone else's material has either been pretty good or decent. You are 100% correct when you say this guy needs to go make commercials or tick toks and leave film alone
or just give up directing and writing to become a cinematographer and/or director of Photography. But could his Ego handle that.
@@gawkthimm6030 He can be a director. Just not a writer or the producer with the final word.
What really pisses me of, it's NOT HOW YOU USE FARMERMING FLAIL!! With minimal movement of your arms, you should move long part of the flail so it;s ending makes small circles. It's enough to make short part move fast in a circular motion. Wheat should be stacked high, so flail will have almost no resistance. With that setup and good technique, you can flail for hours without tiring.
You farm😎
This person knows their farming.
The Thor analogy is perfect. I wonder if this is gonna be a wake-up call for Zack or if his cultists will keep hyping him up no matter how bad his movies are.
Nah, in a few years we'll be asking "How did he make something worse than Rebel Moon"
Definitely the latter. Neither he nor they have any self-awareness, and I mean the actual irksome and sycophantic fanboys rather than someone who might just casually like a movie or two of his.
It amaze me how Netflix saw his Zombie movie outcome. Which was poor but still thought let's give him more money to rip off Seven Samurai.
Snyder-Führer good because Snyder-Führer good
We needed these movies so that everybody finally sees Zack Snyder's work in an objective light.
My guy is so tired of Shyder's shit he went full "Friendship ended with Mudasir"
I am convinced the only reason he got away with splitting his nothingburger of a movie into 2 movies is because Dune did the same thing and we didn't drag Villeneuve across the coals, so when he asked Netflix to do the same thing the idiots agreed cause they thought we just didn't mind this type of stuff. It seems very arrogant of Zack to think he can demand our attention for two movies worth of time when he gives us nothing of quality, it's like he thought we gave Dune so much of our time just because of the surface level coolness of the visuals and not because of what the visuals meant.
More like Netflix thought they had some IP that would lead to sequels, prequels, spinoff series, toys and other merc...Star Wars. It's like they didn't bother to watch any of his films to realize dude can't tell a story...
I'm convinced people don't have brain cells anymore.
At least Denis has the excuse of Dune being a long and slow adaptation material. Zach doesn't
Dune had meat too show. Clearly not his case, which was more like Hobbit.
@@NiRvAnA6890lmaooooooo
It's amazing to see Dune 2 and Rebel Moon 2 and their directors, both were dreaming to make those movies and even envision them since they were almost children, Dennis even made storyboards, while Zack simply had the idea (and ideas can birth scripts, but scripts can't be simply ideas).
And while Dennis struggle to advance and improve his career with limited budgets and even had to battle Warner so he could do Dune and not getting the 2nd part canned, Zack was given the keys to the kingdom since the beginning and Netflix gave him money to throw for Rebel Moon, also Dennis was never showered with praise, people simply said his work was "good", while Zach has always being showered with praise.
Now after the dust has settle, you can see that Dennis is aware he could made Dune 2 even better and he is trying to improve his art, Zach thinks his piece of shit is equal and above to Dune 2. One director was always hungry and fought for every inch, while the other never saw nothing else than a full plate and was given miles without deserving them.
Well, let's not go crazy and rewrite history.
Snyder's work has never really been heaped with praise. 300 is probably his biggest success, all around, but is probably a source work that best fits Snyder's style. Watchmen was divisive, though personally I like it. Sucker Punch... a bunch of video game cut-scenes stitched to a main narrative most people didn't get, because, well, Snyder isn't a good writer. Man of Steel is not popular with fans of Superman, as it shows a fundamental failure to understand the character. A man who doesn't believe a person can be good and do good just cause should not be in charge of anything Superman related. BvS, again, divisive. To me, it showed there was a movie he wanted to make that could have been good (mid-life crisis Batman) and one he clearly wasn't interested in (everything Superman related, including all the stuff leading to the JL). His overuse of slow-mo has been a meme for quite a while as well. But Snyder movies come in on budget and generally have made money. And that profitability is what's let him be promoted to the level of incompetence.
And Dennis is one of those critical darlings. His work gets heaped with praise, but he has a style, a slow paced one, with lots of wide angle shots and so on. He does not do action well. His movies, before Dune, have not done great numbers. He's not a director I would want in charge of most blockbusters, if I was a studio director. And while Dune is a success, personally, I'd rather have seen Lynch's version from back then have gotten the same multiple movie treatment. It has more flair to it, is more interesting, despite its flaws. Which isn't to say that another director at work right now would clearly do it better. He's passionate about it, he is doing a good job of it, and he is at least smart enough to arrange for a deal that didn't try to force a long, dense book into a single movie. Just that he too has weaknesses, and they are pretty big. But at least he has the sense, or at least not had the opportunity, to gain enough clout that he's allowed to do things he isn't good at. And I think he is also benefiting nicely from timing. We're in a time right now where so many big budget movies lack writing quality. When Deadpool movies have better writing/scripts than 90% of them, it says a lot about the state of things. So him directing a movie based on a well written story, without compressing it too much in adaptation, it's good timing.
The fact that snyder decided to make a directors cut of these movies before the first one even came out should tell you everything you need to know about this walking edgelord
Here’s my idea for a better version:
As a war rages between empire and rebels the empire sends a battle ship to a distant moon to destroy resources they believe are being given to the rebels. The ship manages to destroy most of the farms and production centers around the moon. Just before the empire ship can take out the last large farming community, the farmers manage to attack the ship with a hidden weapon the rebels left them.
The empire ship is critically damaged, and is now stuck there in low moon orbit. Communications are down, and the ship is in need of major repairs to be able to leave. May take months. Small transports are mostly damaged but they have a handful left. With such a large crew they quickly realize they will be out of food in a week or so, and It will take time to get empire help as resources are spread thin and space travel is slow. Their only option is to send the remaining transports down to the surviving farm community and collect any food they can by any means necessary.
The main character has to assemble the best surviving fighters from each culture around the moon to defend what food they have left and save the lives of the farmers until they can find a way to get rebel backup ships there before the empire sends more of their ships to investigate.
Just wrote this out quick. There’s probably mistakes and plot holes , but that’s just off the top of my head.
You just created a more interesting story than this garbage.
@@ptonpc thanks!
I'd watch your version.
Better than what we got
@@middlemanADyou in the industry?
I was interested in this movie after finding out Zack read Heavy Metal as a teen like i did. But after watching Part 1, I realized that he only looked at the pictures.
In the 1960 Magnificent Seven, there is that one hero (Charles Bronson) who ends up befriending the village kids, and he dies saving them. But why it works in that situation is when he first meets them he is is a tough cynical mercenary who has no interest in kids and certainly wouldn't go out of his way to protect them, but they slowly worm their way into his heart and by the end he has grown into the kind of man who would gladly die for them. RM2 has no such character arcs.
Imagine my disappointment in Rebel Moon 2 after seeing Dune 2.
I LOVE comparing them. A primary inspiration for Star Wars and sad Star Wars fanfiction? Sign me up. I want to make a whole series transplanting the stupidity of these derivative stories into the originals.
Transplant Divergent stupidity onto The Hunger Games. Surgically implant the nonsense of Justice League into The Avengers 2012.
Like, imagine Paul Muab'Dib thinking he could save the holy places of the Fremen by... Covering them in bags of spice. Or the entire conflict of the House being helpless and slaughtered is immediately undercut by having an easy spaceship off the planet in the very next movie.
Holy sht
Some people have described Rebel Moon as: Imagine if Star Wars, Dune and Seven Samurai had a child... With "special needs"...
I'm glad the whiplash did not snap your spine in half.
Went from driving a lamborgene to driving a boat on solid road
when a director becomes so big, even the studio can't give him the helps he needs (like separate people do those other important film creation jobs as well as providing collaborative advise, criticism, and counter balance). Oh, he's the most powerful child playing with toys just the way he wants. Well lets just put this rebel moon drawing on the other fridge in the basement.
I've seen the Rebel Moon movies referred to as "Zack Snyder's personal D&D horror story", and to here you break it down it sounds more like a DM more interested in their campaign's lore and what he has planned down the line than anything the PCs are doing or want to do.
I once did a lot of DM for a role-playing group and this is exactly like that, I did something just like that a lot at the beginning during prep for the sessions, concentrated on interesting 'to me' lore that the PC's never noticed unless I made a character monologue at them, so I changed my method of DM'ing.
So the two controversial directors (Michael Bay, Zack Snyder) who Filmento defends/backs up have both made a poor film (Transformers: The Last Knight, Rebel Moon) that cast Anthony Hopkins and wasted his potential as an actor? Coincidence?
If I had two coins for every movie made by a controversial directors who cast Anthony Hopkins and totally waste him, I would have two coins, wich it's not too much, but it's strange that happened twice
@@jonapilgrim13we know you’re talking about nickels, Dr. Doof.
Anthony Hopkins was at least funny in Transformers
Spoilers
It was funny seeing him die while barely knowing what's going on
If farming was ever as cool as Zack Snyder thinks it is, then the Second Industrial Revolution wouldn't have happened.
There's so much slow motion in this movie you walk out dazzled, everything moves too fast xd
Yes
The core problem with 'Rebel Moon' is that Snyder, clearly and by his own admission, wanted to make a big space opera and yet for some unexplained reason decided to build it around the plot of 'Seven Samurai' a story that's inherently and purposefully small scale. He very obviously has no actual interest in the 'Seven Samurai' story and that's why he constantly flashes back or cuts away to more epic and interesting snippets.
Like no one stopped to ask him why an intergalagtic empire would be THIS interested in the grain production of a single small village on one random planet. That'd be like if the 'Seven Samurai' were asked to fight the Shogun's entire army or the 'Magnificent Seven' were hired to fight the entire Mexican army. It's absurd on its face.
this seems like it should be a spin off standalone film in a bigger universe akin to rouge one where they have characters disconnected from the main plot but build upon the depth of the universe
If the badguy was space pirate then it will make more sense
@@kasyfulahmadfadlillah9840That's almost certainly what was the case in the original star wars pitch. I'm 100% sure that this was supposed to be a story in the outer rim with one of the Empire Star Destroyer captains after the emperor is killed. In Star Wars lore, there were a lot of "Pirate Warlords" who came about in that environment.
In that concept, it's a Star destroyer that basically has no access to supplies now that the empire has fallen, and they really need food, so they're bullying a small village. The rebels are a small group that this ship was originally sent to hunt before the empire fell.
That's why the film doesn't make any sense. It's basically just the original Star Wars pitch, kicked out of its setting, and then rearranged into something that doesn't actually make any sense.
8:15 "bro jumped (what the heeeeeeeeeeell)" caught me off guard lmao
Farming Simulator: The Movie sure sounds fun!
12:19 the villains recognise they can't fire on the village buildings because the grain is tacked there, but later the spider-tanks start blowing the buildings to kingdom come anyway, then WAY later the bad guy gives the order to blast the village, and his 2nd in command reminds him about the wheat ... ??
Wait, was the ground squad, and spider-tanks, blasting the shit outta the wheat, defying previous orders to protect the wheat, or what the fuck was going on ??
Fun fact, I haven't seen Rebel Moon, but I have seen several hours worth of videos tearing it a new one, totally worth it 😅
The Top Gear clip used when the barely adequate space Samurai woman dies was perfect. It's very sad when, after nearly 4 hours of screen time, I don't remember the character's name - or any of the other characters. An unfortunate waste of time and money by many talented people, and Zack Snyder.
Rebel Moon is one of those things that feels like it's trying to do too much too fast. It's like everything just got jumbled together on a cutting room floor and couldn't be bothered to fix it.
What does it say about Snyder when his 1st movie, the remake of Dawn Of The Dead, was arguably his best movie?
That he had James Gunn as the writer. That is the message to take from it. Gunn is actually a good writer and director. Snyder needs a writer.
What’s worse is Zack was essentially a director for hire on that film. It was essentially James Gunns baby from the jump.
Hopefully Gunn can save DC. Dude is a legit talent.
Snyder's 'interpretation' of Netflix viewer numbers for the first RM and stating, that it would have been a box office hit comparable to Barbie if released theatrically, is beyond self delusion. And I don't dislike him, he seems like a very friendly and engaging person. But please hire good writers for your future projects.
What's funny is there was a storyline in a mobile game that I think is what Snyder tried to tell. Nikke The Lost Kingdom. A handful, specifically two called Crown and Chime of the Super Solders, AKA NIkkes, have made a home on the enemy filled barren surface in a castle that seems useless, but they defend it tooth an nail for a reason later revealed to be a Super Food that they are defending as a branch of humanity's mission of taking back the surface.
Once humanity prevails in taking back the surface they'll use these seeds to feed everyone. And the enemies don't care because they don't need it. They just want to take the castle and destroy the seeds because it's a beacon of hope. And the best part is it was a task taken on by happenstance by Crown who found the seeds. She just knew this is what she needed to do after her original squad died.
Also I love Crown so much. After Crown's right hand woman, Chime, who is more a strategist then a fighter like the rest of the Nikkes, tried to get intel on the enemy and ends up captured. Then they sever Chime's head and give it back to Crown. The other Nikke's are stunned by it but because they're hardier then humans they can save her if they just get the rest of her body back and reattach her head. Crown rides off on her robot horse, don't worry about it, and stampedes through the enemy forces, headlong at the enemy leader. Said leader is about to monologue about how angry Crown must be to have found Chime's head but she just takes Crown's spear to the gut and its swatted away. Doesn't even care about what she's saying.
The "director's vision" being somewhat considered the sole facilitator of a movie or story era has to end
If you give *too* much control to a director you get Michael Bay, and Zack Snyder
Also this idea that when a movie bomb it's always the studio's fault but when it succeeds it's always the director that get all the credit.
But that's not true though. There ee countless directors who are said to have full control. The problem to me seems to lie in how much they're commited to telling a good story and leaving fluff out of it
Zack Snyder has never done films. He just films scenes that he thinks are cool, then puts them one after another. Glad to see most people are starting to realize that.
Exactly, his films are like if someone gave you millions of dollars to film the random daydreams you have in the shower and stitch them together into a film, in fact I think thats actually how Sucker Punch came into being
Zack Snyder once gave an interview on why Superman and Batman should fight each other and it was literally like a 6 year old smashing together their action figures thinking "it's just cool." This man gets paid tens of millions of dollars in Hollywood...
Exactly. Zack Snyder's directing and writing capabilities in a nutshell: "Man, this would look so cool."
He just do a movie that only looks good in trailer. If Roger Ebert is still alive, he probably compared him with Michael Bay
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Zack said him and Netflix agreed to make a crappy movie so he can have tons of directors cuts. If true I bet they just want his fans to start another restore the Snyder movement. Netflix just wants the hype of his cult and hope it gets folks interested in them again. It's all stupid
I love how you keep talking sense to a industry that has absolutely no intention into creating great pieces of art.
Dune 2, Poor Things, Across the SpiderVerse - all enter the building.
"Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole" was a great movie, I wish Snyder would do more animated movies.
And with this movie, Battle Beyond the Stars is suddenly not the worse sci-fi adaptation of 7 Samurai.
It needed more grain harvesting slow-mo!
I feel like after he lost his daughter, he really lost his soul. That's why everything is so hollow now. It's sad.
Eh. His film-making was always this shallow and hollow, as seen with _Man of Steel_ and especially _Batman v. Superman_ since those were both finished before his daughter died. Granted, I doubt her death helped him in any way, and he does seem to have gotten notably worse with abusing slow-motion for whatever reason, but that could be unrelated.
When people started hyping him as a "genius", it went to his head. He was always eye candy and nothing else.
Doesn't surprise me if his mind unconsciously substitutes his late daughter's love with his fan near devotion level of invalidation. He is trying to fill that void with something so toxic that it blinds all of his sense
Baby, wake up... Filmento is doing a thing...
How could Snyder be this bad? His older movies were way better. Did he just have intelligent people around him stopping him from being terrible?
Simply put, he's a good director, one with a good eye for shots. He's not a good writer, nor good at characterization. Older projects, he had less say, so others did the writing. Newer projects, he has say, and hence why we get Sucker Punch, the DCEU, and the RMs.
And for anyone thinking the DCEU stuff is actually decent, just consider that pretty much everyone thinks the Martha scene is about Batman seeing Superman as human, rather than it being about him realizing he himself (Batman) is the actual monster. That it is the climatic moment in a Batman mid-life crisis plot.
It is genuine a shame that Snyder thought he was making his Star Wars, only to end up making his Prequels. They even suffer from similar problems: An imaginative director who has SOME real talents, but who is also suffering from a serious lack of teammates who are both capable enough and willing to step up and compensate for his also notable weaknesses. Star Wars was saved by having some supporting writers on deck who were willing to tell Lucas when dialogue just wasn't working and help him fix things, and an editor who was willing to keep tinkering with the project (even throwing out big chunks of completed footage) until it all finally flowed well. Empire was even better because Lucas actually learned from this experience and built another good team to help him. The prequels suffered because everyone hero-worshipped Lucas into being the primary leader, instead of a key team player. Snyder really needs to step back and study that history before doing another of these. That's assuming it's not already too late and studios are tired of throwing money at someone who's just not learning how to improve, which, again, really would be a shame.
The thing is, the studios don't care if he's not learning or improving. They care if he's meeting their objectives. People mock most Adam Sandler movies. Netflix still made a deal with him. People pointed out that Snyder doesn't get Superman back when he first directed a Superman movie. They still put him in charge of the DCEU. Added to that, Snyder is also good at the organizational side of things. He makes his films on budget (though those budgets could probably be quite a bit lower if the script was tighter, so no 4 hour movies).
They might not let him run rampant anymore. Which they shouldn't anyway. Like J.J. Abrams, Snyder needs to be paired with a good writer. But he'll most likely continue to get offers to direct... though whether or not he'd be willing to reduce his role back to his area of competence...
That's not really fair. The prequels had a plot, a bad guy whose plan made a surprising amount of sense, and characters who develop from one movie to another.
@@paulgibbon5991 Excellent points. I should probably clarify that I actually quite like the prequels and think they have a lot of good in them. Unfortunately, they do still have some notable weak areas that a lot of people struggled to tolerate enough to appreciate their stronger areas. I haven't had the chance to bite off watching the Rebel Moon set, yet, so I may well find things I like and appreciate there, too. I do definitely like the aesthetics, at least. It does still seem to be suffering from a similar set of weak areas that people are struggling to look past, though, which is again unfortunate, but worth examining to learn from.
Heh, it just hit me you might have been being sarcastic. In which case, couldn't have put it better. Those always have been the precise struggle points for Snyder.
@@222LoneWolf I already watch Rebel Moon and I'd rather watch Star Wars Prequels 100 times, at least Star Wars Prequels have many genuinely good things and quotable dialogues
I didn't watch either movie, but your review is better than both of them.
Snyder May have all of these negative qualities. But who keeps giving him money to make movies? Who Greenlit this thing? They certainly deserve part of the blame.
3:27 that made me so happy, thats my favorite song ever
Linkin Park and Michael Bay, truly the iconic duo of all time.
Honestly didn't know there was a part 2, or even that they'd make one, until this video.
One? More like, 4 more
Good on ya for getting through both of these. I still haven't made it past the forty minute mark of part one.
Out of all of the RUclipsrs I watch, Filmento does the best flow into advertisements. They're integrated into the content instead of coming to a full stop like a commercial break.
I've known since 300 that he was never good at story telling. That's why Watchmen is his best movie and its a classic. And Man of Steel (the first half) is really good.
Kong and Suko sharing a meal speaks so much louder than Snydets Table Exposition
1:39 this meme ruled India during facebook days🤣
That was easily the smoothest ad transition I've ever seen. 10/10
...no. It was incredibly obvious what he was trying to do.
I completely forgot about Army of the Dead until you mentioned it. 🤣
This is a natural progression from what Zack Snyder did in “Sucker Punch”, the first movie he developed from concepts and ideas of his own and not an existing IP he could build off of.
Oh dear Filmento, sweet summer child! THE GRAIN IS THE MAIN CHARACTER, YOU FOOL! HAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAAH
The Grain extends life. The Grain expands consciousness. The Grain allows the folding of space. The Grain makes interstellar travel possible. Whoever controls the Grain, controls the universe...
@@DonVigaDeFierro Stilgar: "Grain, what do you foresee for us?"
Grain: "Green Paradise bozo."
Stilgar: "Lisan-al Gaib!"
I knew Hack Snyder was a joke when he made Man of Steele and he muted the colors. HE MUTED THE COLORS TO A SUPERMAN MOVIE! This is a CLEAR indication that he knows NOTHING about the character of Superman or that he does NOT CARE. The DCEU was dead as soon as it started.
You always catch me off guard with the cut away gags. Bro Jumped Tiktok has me choking 🤣
Filmeme-tos are on a whole new level in this video. I struggled at times to focus on the video's narrative because the memes were so funny.
I was waiting for Filmento to give this movie the Guillotine.
10:47 I disagree Filmento; you can have it be implied but even then a simple scene to fix this would be a flash back scene showing something similar with her own kid, you can use show as an effective tool.
It's always an effective tool when the "show" part has narrative. That's what "show, don't tell" means. A flashback is better than expositional dialogue. But here we get neither, leaving it all pretty ambiguous. That might work for something arthousy where audiences can read their own meaning and story into scenes but in a basic space opera that just doesn't work. Just a "I had a son once..." muttered somewhere would have been enough to ground those scenes in some emotional realism.
I get the feeling that Snyder expects us to just fill in the gaps in detail for the story at large. Thinking the audience’s imagination will enrich the film for him. But that’s just how I’m trying to make sense of this garbage.
I just laugh at the idea of Zack Snyder walking in to LucasFilm to present this idea, and Kathleen Kennedy going, "Whoa there Zack, I may be responsible for the sequel trilogy, but even i've got SOME standards."
One day, Snydercultist will have to accept he is one of the worst directors in the industry
The worst thing aboout Snyder is his fanbase
Your essays are the best
he tried to retell the Original The Magnificent Seven in Space and failed, I absolutely agree with you.
The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy is better than Rebel Moon Part 1 and 2
If they're better than rebel moon 1 and 2 there's something wrong with zack seriously 😐😐
OUCH!
You're not lying, though. The sequel trilogy was slop, but at least it wasn't slop moving in constant slow motion.
@@mememanbehindtheshadows546all the marvel movies are better than Zack Snyder
It's more like Rebel Moon is worse than the Sequel Trilogy.
The (purposeful) irony of Star Wars being inspired by Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress and this being a mangled version of Kurosawa's Seven Samurai.
And it was already done in Battle Beyond The Stars. Probably better.
This video is soooo informative, this is how everyone feels about this movie, but how this video describes and breaks down it's flaws is truly amazing hopefully Zach Snyder watches this and LEARNS from his mistakes
The line between one's perceived talent and the actual impact/image you deliver, is a very fine one.
This movie is so bad I regained all the weight I lost last year.
At this point I’m certain a fanfic writer can do better. In fact I think someone might have tried to rewrite this to at least something decent. Seriously someone go check I really wanna know.
This guys editing is AMAZING
I lost my mind with the Thor clips 😂
Snyder is a man of massive talent and potential, if only he was humble enough to admit to himself that others are better at drawing out that talent and potential than himself.
Rebel Moon 1 & 2 truly…top 5 worst films I’ve ever seen. Second one i could only last 15min…utterly terrible! Zack needs to get back to his best asap.
Minus one video PLEASE
The grain must flow
It honestly feels less like a movie and more like someone running their first dnd game