What the average makeup of what the Patented Elite/RX design traps is 70% water and acids, 23% raw fuel (this dilutes the engine oil if not removed as soon as it enters) and 7% is oil saturated with abrasive particulate matter. The less effective designs mainly trap oil as being a thicker substance does not "pull through" and still be ingested, but you can also see a good amount of oil passes through to still be ingested as well.
Woulda been nice if you could've let the oil/water mixture from the EE can settle so you can see how much of it was oil vs water. Great comparison nonetheless thanks man!
I have a cheap Amazon catch can on my eaton blown 4.6, over 4K it sucks oil into the intake. Would the MM or ultra can orient this? Running about 12psi boost?
The Amazon ones really are not very good. You can can tell a lot about the catch can by the way it is designed inside. I did a video on design. ruclips.net/video/bQE1qEtP8dQ/видео.html Also I did a comparison of the MM vs the regular elite ex-2 on my blown corvette. Video speaks for itself. ruclips.net/video/JTU6FWYVMXQ/видео.html
You are right, the Elite Ultra will not fit. It is a big can. I’m going to keep running it in my truck now that the test is done. Thanks for the comment :)
Cool test. It would have been interesting to total the volumes collected at each test interval and place a percentage collected with each can, in each configuration. It's interesting to think - was the condensation captured in the second test due just to ambient temperature, or is there something about the design of the Mighty Mouse catch can that is introducing some moisture into the PCV system? This is something that would only be easily noticed in your second configuration, where the Elite ran second, and showed the moisture present. The Mighty Mouse is unlike the Elite and is a vent pressure to atmosphere design, and may be returning some atmosphere into the PCV system as a by-product when under vacuum. Something to consider, and maybe test more in the future - maybe draw a vacuum on each can to see what occurs.
Very good comment. This weekend I'm releasing another vid that will address the condensation. The test vehicle is a C7 Z06 and I bought it new, I ran about 500kms or 300miles with each can and checked under the blower lid, and then cleaned any remaining oil. There would be no condensation, as any would have burned off. As no catch can is 100% I didn't want to run to many miles or it may just look the same (maybe) so by running just a few miles we can see whats left. With the Elite what I did was just put a one way valve on the can so it would vent just like the MM if there was any pressure.
Keep in mind, when run in series, your coalescing efficiency is changed. I'm not sure if it's designed or not, but water vapor is a good thing generally for an intake. It helps to cool the air, as well as exhibits a bit of a steam clean on the valves. Would be a pretty neat truck to capture the oil but allow the moisture.
@OscyJack- I think a lot of the moisture just goes through. If you figure the amount of air that actually flows through the engine the moisture created/captured by the catch can is a small amount.
Yes it will, I assume you are talking about the LT4 engine. If you are doing a high horsepower build I would hook up the Elite like the MM is hooked up, but instead of using the 3rd line on the elite for the secondary vacuum I would put a high flow one way valve on the can so it will vent just like the MM does. This way the Elite will have just two hoses like the MM and the other port in the can will be used to vent like the MM. I actually do that in one of my other vids.
I’m not associated with either company so I just posted what I found and the Elite did catch more. The difference between the MM mild and Wild is where it pulls the dirty air from. The can is the same. The mild pulls from the valley plate under the blower (which does have a factory separator in it) and the wild pulls from the valvecover. I think by pulling from the valvecover you are bypassing a great factory feature. It’s not 100% because if it was you would not need a catch can, but it helps, and if you can use it, why not ? Don’t forget to get your throttle body connectors so you don’t have to cut your factory line at the throttle body.
The Elite E2-X Ultra actually uses two separate evacuation vacuum sources so pressure should never build to begin with as suction is always pulled on the crankcase. One of the beautiful things about it being a true "crankcase evacuation" system vs a "catchcan". That prevents seal leaks and failures as well as aids in piston ring seal and stability eliminating most "ring flutter" issues FI engines have and that in itself reduces blow-by. The MM will allow pressure to build and then vent, which is undesirable. The E2-X Also comes with the billet clean side separator that addresses the fresh/clean side of the PCV system. Above 1000 hp the best system is a true vacuum pump like GZ offers. That will allow for a certain amount of vacuum to maintained at all times using an adjustable vacuum relief valve. Ideal that level is 14-15" of vacuum for max benefit and no oiling issues. Pulling full time suction aids in the oil returning to the crankcase as well with less accumulating in the upper reaches of the engine. And finally, it keeps the engine oil clean far longer as it flushes and removes most of the wear causing combustion byproducts as soon as they enter. That's why the Venturi Vacuum generating valve should always be used with the second outlet on the main separator for added suction when needed most avoiding crankcase pressure altogether.
@@tracylewisperformance1328 Excellent and thorough answer, I think that some people are concerned with the LT4 as they have had the front crank seal pop out on a highly boosted engine. The secondary line is an awesome feature, and some people do not understand it. Thanks for the great answer
Elite is the clear winner there, but why does the MM have a "breather" on top? Surely it is not vented to the atmosphere, that would be a large vacuum leak.
I'm thinking you should weigh the cans before and after, that would be more accurate. I think there may have been a lot of residue on the steel wool filter in the mighty mouse.
You are 100% correct, and although I thought my comparisons were pretty accurate, I did do another test which I believe was better. ruclips.net/video/JTU6FWYVMXQ/видео.html
Sorry to hear that. I'm not affiliated with either company, just posting what I found. If you got a bad one it would be interesting to see the centre section how well its welded together. They are hand made so if the centre section is not welded tight it will leak (internally), and not be as efficient. Some people like the MM as it vents and only requires two lines, but with the Elite Engineering you could always add a one way valve as an outlet to the third port on the can and it would essentially function the same way. Thanks for the comment, I do appreciate it :)
Hey there and thanks for the comment, any brake cleaner that I used would have evaporated prior to the next test, that stuff evaporates fast and the catch can gets very hot.
I own a 2021 Camaro ZL1, 2021 6.2L Silverado with a Whipple Supercharger and a 2015 Corvette and I have a Mighty Mouse catch can on all 3 of my vehicles. The quality of the Mighty Mouse can is the best I've ever seen and their customer service is even better. Mighty Mouse solutions is the best catch can on the market in my opinion. I trust them with the $200,000+ I have invested in my vehicles.
You are right, the quality of the can is awesome !! The machining is really good. It’s a solid unit for sure. I do own one :) customer service is excellent as well. Thanks for the comment and hope you enjoy your day :)
Thanks for doing this, looking forward to the next one!
For sure, and thanks for the comment !!!!
Love the fast forward clips
Tried a different strategy, glad you liked !!!
Great video man! :D I run the EE Ultra can as well, def a tight squeeze in the ZL1. It catches a pretty solid amount of oil.
Thanks for the great comment, appreciate it !!! The Elite Ultra is a beast !!! The EE cans are solid performers for sure. Thanks again :)
@@GarageKing yeah, for sure! I emptied my can out recently and it collected a pretty solid amount of oil. Def happy with the performance.
What the average makeup of what the Patented Elite/RX design traps is 70% water and acids, 23% raw fuel (this dilutes the engine oil if not removed as soon as it enters) and 7% is oil saturated with abrasive particulate matter. The less effective designs mainly trap oil as being a thicker substance does not "pull through" and still be ingested, but you can also see a good amount of oil passes through to still be ingested as well.
Tracy!
This is amazing and super interesting to watch! Here learning! Keep up the great work GK 👍🏽❤️
Thanks soo much !!! It was a cool comparison between the two, as they are both pretty popular catch cans.
@@GarageKing yea very interesting 👍🏽🥰
Woulda been nice if you could've let the oil/water mixture from the EE can settle so you can see how much of it was oil vs water. Great comparison nonetheless thanks man!
You do raise a very good point, thanks for that. Appreciate the comment !!
On the way to 5K!
You bet !!!!
Now that’s a true mechanic measurement, 1 KFC spoon.
Right !!!
I have a cheap Amazon catch can on my eaton blown 4.6, over 4K it sucks oil into the intake. Would the MM or ultra can orient this? Running about 12psi boost?
The Amazon ones really are not very good. You can can tell a lot about the catch can by the way it is designed inside. I did a video on design. ruclips.net/video/bQE1qEtP8dQ/видео.html Also I did a comparison of the MM vs the regular elite ex-2 on my blown corvette. Video speaks for itself. ruclips.net/video/JTU6FWYVMXQ/видео.html
Great work GK! Love the blue truck.."The Mighty Mouse"
The blue truck rocks!!! It’s my daily driver. Gotta love the Toyota !!!
@@GarageKing Toyotas are the best
@@karlinladeramusic they do rock !!!!
What year and engine for the truck?
2016 Toyota Tacoma 3.5L
Great sharing
Thank you !!!!
Good video and interesting. I am installing the MM can now in my Z06 there would be no room for that large Elite can for sure.
You are right, the Elite Ultra will not fit. It is a big can. I’m going to keep running it in my truck now that the test is done. Thanks for the comment :)
Elite makes other cans as well. See if they have a kit for you.
@@JayyBird93 you are right, they do have smaller cans, excellent comment !!!
The E2-X series from Elite has a standard size and the Ultra size. If space is an issue, the standard size should fit fine.
Cool test. It would have been interesting to total the volumes collected at each test interval and place a percentage collected with each can, in each configuration.
It's interesting to think - was the condensation captured in the second test due just to ambient temperature, or is there something about the design of the Mighty Mouse catch can that is introducing some moisture into the PCV system? This is something that would only be easily noticed in your second configuration, where the Elite ran second, and showed the moisture present. The Mighty Mouse is unlike the Elite and is a vent pressure to atmosphere design, and may be returning some atmosphere into the PCV system as a by-product when under vacuum. Something to consider, and maybe test more in the future - maybe draw a vacuum on each can to see what occurs.
Very good comment. This weekend I'm releasing another vid that will address the condensation. The test vehicle is a C7 Z06 and I bought it new, I ran about 500kms or 300miles with each can and checked under the blower lid, and then cleaned any remaining oil. There would be no condensation, as any would have burned off. As no catch can is 100% I didn't want to run to many miles or it may just look the same (maybe) so by running just a few miles we can see whats left. With the Elite what I did was just put a one way valve on the can so it would vent just like the MM if there was any pressure.
Keep in mind, when run in series, your coalescing efficiency is changed.
I'm not sure if it's designed or not, but water vapor is a good thing generally for an intake. It helps to cool the air, as well as exhibits a bit of a steam clean on the valves.
Would be a pretty neat truck to capture the oil but allow the moisture.
@OscyJack- I think a lot of the moisture just goes through. If you figure the amount of air that actually flows through the engine the moisture created/captured by the catch can is a small amount.
Hi Will the elite ultra prevent seal blow out on high horsepower builds
Yes it will, I assume you are talking about the LT4 engine. If you are doing a high horsepower build I would hook up the Elite like the MM is hooked up, but instead of using the 3rd line on the elite for the secondary vacuum I would put a high flow one way valve on the can so it will vent just like the MM does. This way the Elite will have just two hoses like the MM and the other port in the can will be used to vent like the MM. I actually do that in one of my other vids.
@@GarageKing Oh okay and yes for 2018 ZL1 would you say the mm wild catch can be a better choice for my set up or the elite ultra
I’m not associated with either company so I just posted what I found and the Elite did catch more. The difference between the MM mild and Wild is where it pulls the dirty air from. The can is the same. The mild pulls from the valley plate under the blower (which does have a factory separator in it) and the wild pulls from the valvecover. I think by pulling from the valvecover you are bypassing a great factory feature. It’s not 100% because if it was you would not need a catch can, but it helps, and if you can use it, why not ? Don’t forget to get your throttle body connectors so you don’t have to cut your factory line at the throttle body.
The Elite E2-X Ultra actually uses two separate evacuation vacuum sources so pressure should never build to begin with as suction is always pulled on the crankcase. One of the beautiful things about it being a true "crankcase evacuation" system vs a "catchcan". That prevents seal leaks and failures as well as aids in piston ring seal and stability eliminating most "ring flutter" issues FI engines have and that in itself reduces blow-by. The MM will allow pressure to build and then vent, which is undesirable. The E2-X Also comes with the billet clean side separator that addresses the fresh/clean side of the PCV system. Above 1000 hp the best system is a true vacuum pump like GZ offers. That will allow for a certain amount of vacuum to maintained at all times using an adjustable vacuum relief valve. Ideal that level is 14-15" of vacuum for max benefit and no oiling issues. Pulling full time suction aids in the oil returning to the crankcase as well with less accumulating in the upper reaches of the engine. And finally, it keeps the engine oil clean far longer as it flushes and removes most of the wear causing combustion byproducts as soon as they enter. That's why the Venturi Vacuum generating valve should always be used with the second outlet on the main separator for added suction when needed most avoiding crankcase pressure altogether.
@@tracylewisperformance1328 Excellent and thorough answer, I think that some people are concerned with the LT4 as they have had the front crank seal pop out on a highly boosted engine. The secondary line is an awesome feature, and some people do not understand it. Thanks for the great answer
Elite is the clear winner there, but why does the MM have a "breather" on top? Surely it is not vented to the atmosphere, that would be a large vacuum leak.
The MM has a one way valve under the breather so it only vents when the crankcase is under pressure.
That's why there is less condensation in the mn
I'm thinking you should weigh the cans before and after, that would be more accurate. I think there may have been a lot of residue on the steel wool filter in the mighty mouse.
You are 100% correct, and although I thought my comparisons were pretty accurate, I did do another test which I believe was better. ruclips.net/video/JTU6FWYVMXQ/видео.html
Nice Video - Very informative. Were did you get the quick disconnect adapters you have on the hoses (male)?
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Where can i get a set of those quick connect fittings
Send me an email garagekingcanada@gmail.com
i've had bad luck with the EE, but it's not that one. I mean it catches oil but passed a lot too
Sorry to hear that. I'm not affiliated with either company, just posting what I found. If you got a bad one it would be interesting to see the centre section how well its welded together. They are hand made so if the centre section is not welded tight it will leak (internally), and not be as efficient. Some people like the MM as it vents and only requires two lines, but with the Elite Engineering you could always add a one way valve as an outlet to the third port on the can and it would essentially function the same way. Thanks for the comment, I do appreciate it :)
The original EE can is really only proper for a mild port injection engine. The E2-X is for GDI and the Ultra for the boosted big power build.
@@tracylewisperformance1328 Excellent information, thank you :)
Probably was the brake cleaner you used
Hey there and thanks for the comment, any brake cleaner that I used would have evaporated prior to the next test, that stuff evaporates fast and the catch can gets very hot.
I own a 2021 Camaro ZL1, 2021 6.2L Silverado with a Whipple Supercharger and a 2015 Corvette and I have a Mighty Mouse catch can on all 3 of my vehicles. The quality of the Mighty Mouse can is the best I've ever seen and their customer service is even better. Mighty Mouse solutions is the best catch can on the market in my opinion. I trust them with the $200,000+ I have invested in my vehicles.
You are right, the quality of the can is awesome !! The machining is really good. It’s a solid unit for sure. I do own one :) customer service is excellent as well. Thanks for the comment and hope you enjoy your day :)