ELAC Uni-Fi 2.0 UB52 vs Original UB5. IS IT WORTH IT?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- ELAC Uni-Fi 2.0
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@Bill Crane Are you saying instead of using my affiliate links? Lots of times, the products sold on Amazon are from dealers looking for an online outlet. Also, if my video convinces someone to make the purchase, I don't see why I shouldn't get any affiliate income from that. It does take a while to review a product and make these videos. I hope you don't mean they should watch my video and buy from a dealer just because right?
@@joentell ELAC sells on Amazon and prohibits independent dealers from selling on-line. It is also interesting that three respected YT reviewers came out with UB52 reviews on the same day. I have never seen two within a week before.
ELAC sells on Amazon and prohibits independent dealers from selling on-line. It is also interesting that three respected YT reviewers came out with UB52 reviews on the same day. I have never seen two within a week before.
I got my speakers about a week or two prior. So maybe a coincidence. I don't watch other reviews until I release my review so it doesn't skew my opinion. Sometimes I do after to see if we came to similar conclusions.
I just think I deserve to make the "sale" if I'm the one who did the work to help a person decide. Many dealers are now getting smart and starting their own youtube channels. They're also realizing how difficult it is to make a good video. I know because I have relationships with some of them and they ask me for advice.
Just don't think that we reviewers are not deserving of providing for our families as well. We work hard. Part of our income comes from affiliate sales. Some try to hide that fact, but I'm honest with my viewers. I hope you can understand that.
I don't know about ELAC not allowing other online dealers selling online. I don't think that's true. I know some big dealers and small dealers who sell ELAC products online here in the US.
Great in-depth review and comparison! I have the Debut 2.0 6” and the UB5’s and wow, just great speakers. Elac is doing great things!
I'm just happy to have you comment!
Is there a big difference between the two? can you describe the audio differences between the debut 2.0 and ub5's? Thanks
it’s cool to know you’re also into 2-channel audio! love your channel
Well done review Joe. The pros/cons are unique among reviewers and that adds something to the assessment. Also like that you comment on the center speaker since most (??) of us use system for HT as well as music. You answered many of my questions about new Uni-Fi and how they compare to other models/brands. Thanks !!!
Thanks CJ!
Nice inclusion of Erin's +/- 3 db listening window.
Great review as always!!! I must say that in my case the "upgrade" from UB5 to UB5 2.0 would be a $343 difference (paid $256 dent and scratch with absolutely no dent or scratch!!!). I have them paired to a Yamaha RX-V2600 Pure Direct mode and they sound amazing. Btw, your Marantz looks BEAUTIFUL!!!
That Marantz 2220b was caught in a storage fire a few months back. I will eventually but another. Maybe a more powerful one.
Joe N Tell 😭😭😭
I just found a pair of the Uni-fi 2.0 with Kanto stands for $500, A pair of the UB5's for $390, the DBR62 Reference for $450, and just missed a pair of Emotiva Airmotive speakers for $200! All this right after I bought an Elac 1010 Sub, pair of Neumi's and a Sony STRDH-190 for my garage within the month. The "The Nines" I ordered to replace The Fives just came today! Why does stuff happen like that?! The more I watch you and Erin's channel, the more of an addict I am becoming. You guys have a dream job. I've been a car guy all my life and just wanted to buy a good garage system. I start watching video's to help me make my choices. Now I'm binge watching reviews like this, and wanting to experience all this goodness for myself.
Man, you guys should see the box my Nines came in today. UPS destroyed it! The UPS guy stood by while I unboxed them in my foyer. Not what I had in mind! I thought they made it, but found a ding/dent after he left. Still probably keeping them, but will talk to them tomorrow. In all my 53 years, I have never seen a box this badly damaged! Just had to happen to something this nice and valuable. 🙈
Joe, this is a barrel of laughs, and the info is all there. Great delivery in all counts. Fun, informed and informative. A+ !
I bought the ub5 last year on sale for $270! I really like them so I'm not looking to upgrade them yet. I power them with an old Krell amp that gives them plenty of juice. I only use them for music. Having said that; great video, lot's of good info as always.
Love your table comparing different gears, the humor and your personal comments. Thanks so much.
Appreciate you watching and commenting @apisak
Good review Joe. Especially with the comparison with the old and the frequency response chart. Eyeing these for a possible future purchase and this helps a lot. 👍
I love this review w/ all three characters Joe did a great job, so much more entertaining and still got the point across. keep doing this style
Thanks Graham Cole!
I have to say, it's very hard not to give these a shot but your honesty has given me pause. I loved the original UB5's but decided it was time to move on a few months back. I like some of the new features of the UB52's but I'm ultimately going to hold off for a bit on these. I'm not a huge fan of front ports myself and I think the UB52's have also taken a hit in the looks department because of the new grill. As always, thanks for the great review.!
Yeah for sure! My goal is to give you more info to make a good decision for yourself. I want you to love whichever speakers you end up with.
I like the finish and the look of the uB5 but the ub52 does perform a bit better.
Now that's how you start the weekend on the right note😀😃
I bought 40USD Google Music Chromecast to stream spotify to the Unify UB5 and the trable and Bass can be adjusted in the settings. Sounds amazing for a fraction of the price of all competitors out there. Also a cheap equalizer can do wonder and a person can adjust many frequencies.
There it is. Tone controls can do a lot because they are low-Q filters. They change a wide band of frequencies (typically hinging on 1khz) together instead of trying to fix a narrow band which can cause issues.
Your reviews are always helpful and enjoyable! Thanks, Joe!!
Thanks for that Taehee Yoon
Dude! You gotta introduce me to the professor. That dude is awesome! LOL.
Great review as usual Joe!
For sure. You're the professor's professor.
Oh dang. I hadn’t even gotten to the shout-out. Very cool of you to shout out a little guy like me. I appreciate it, man!
Haha love the review Joe and the cast of characters! Great to see a comparison to the old UB5's and the Debut Reference! Are you able to comment how the Debut 2.0's compare? Do they hold up as a more budget option?
I was never the hugest fan of the Debut 2.0 personally. I could appreciate the value for the price, but I didn't love the highs. I like a smooth top end. I didn't find them smooth.
@@joentell Thanks Joe. Does the professor have any measurements on the Debut 2.0?
I think maybe on the ELAC Debut F5.2
I think the UB5's are more of a sophisticated audiophile 4ohm speaker with a rich lush high-end full of properly balanced detail. (But requiring proper placement and power) The UB5.2's seem to be designed as an answer to complaints about high-end softness, placement and power requirements... I think Andrew came to Elac originally with the intention of impressing with true musical audiophile sound. Something he is well-practiced and very good at doing. But now seems to be more focused on bringing good quality sound to those more interested in high-end response and movie watching. (Somewhat at the expense of 'sweet' music listening.) - If you are an audiophile focused on music and can appreciate the sophistication built into the UB5's (and you can power and place them properly) then I feel that they are still the better choice for silky smooth detail rich and engaging music listening.
I don't know...I would think the extended top-end would be more "audiophile." The UB5's are more for that person listen to highly compressed music, in a reflective room, using a class D amp. It just smooths out all the highs.
@@joentell Hi Joe. Thanks for your comment! ... Ya, maybe so... I'm using Dirac so the high-end is a bit restored in my UB-5's. Absolutely amazing correction and balance created by Dirac. Maybe that's the answer. Let good room correction correct the speakers too. (As long as the speaker is designed well and can be worked with).
Yeah...I can get with that mindset. It can just use a low Q filter to boost the treble
I'm looking a bookshelf that's great for female vocals,what's opinion
It’s a matter of economics. If it’s going to take a $1500 amplifier to drive as the UB5 , you should buy a higher end speaker. The Unfi better balance the amplifier and speaker cost.
Thanks for the video. I love my old ub5. I really like them in rear with my JBL studio 580 and matching center in front. I think they complement each other very well. Using Denon x3500h receiver with audyssey room correction.
Re: your leaderboard the Denton 85th are warm and Elac UB52 neutral, so isn’t this ranking heavily biased towards your preferences? Objectively couldn’t these speakers be best in class for their price point and character, which would be a tie for top spot?
Love the thorough review Of these Elac series Joe. Thank you
The B6.2 and UB5 are same price in Amazon . Which would you recommend?
Please tell me you got the ub5
Very informative and fun to watch . That measurement with ears .. scene.. you nailed it 😂
I was wondering when someone would mention that 🤣🤣🤣
12:05
19:48 The professor's glasses fogging up a bit for those buxom vintage Dentons.
Yes exactly!
Good video thanks for doing this so quickly. Have to ask how did you compare female vocal clarity between Elac unifi 2.0 Vs Denton 85th ?
Overall, I like the smoothness of the Denton better. The Denton sounded clear, but never siblant.
The UB5s looked to be marked down to 299 on crutchfield. If you were buying your first pair, would you say the 2.0s are worth the $300 price difference?
It's your call. $299 is quite a steal. You just have to think if the change in sound signature is worth it to you.
Great video! Thanks. I understand the UB52 extend low however do you find the bass tight, speedy, musical? I just ordered these speakers and hope I didn’t jump in too soon.
How do you make the speakers look so big? I own the Elac uni-Fi UB5 and they are not big as I see in your photos, wuzzup? Camera?Angle? Talk to me Bro?
Lol. Take a photo of the them from eye level or below. Also a wide lens helps.
Of course. Shoot from below and wide angle. Everyone knows that. 🤣
I wish you had a review on the older JBL L880’s. I got em for penny’s recently and they’ve been amazing for less then $200/pair.
I think it's just me, but I like the look of the original version.
All good. I can see why you might too.
I thought these were two different people, the comedian and the audio scientist... until the end of the video. Funny! Good review!
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IMO- Your judgement, perspective and ratings of speakers are more realistic and complete than another youtube reviewer that gets excited over Harbeth and REL. (And admitted in a candid video that he didn't even tell the truth in a number of reviews.)
IMO: Elac are good for the money, but just lack treble energy. I've had it with the laid back "safe".voicing. zzzz. I had to help my DBR62 with a .1uf bypass cap, but still- that tweeter didn't have the output for true resolve or realism. I'm glad they addressed that. MY former dbr62 just can't pass the "cymbal test". for crisp/realism.
I'm not sure which reviewer you're talking about, but I'm glad you find my reviews useful. I do prioritize integrity over everything. I refuse to say something I knows is untrue. Glad it shows. I find that others with similar values pick up on that. Some who don't....don't. 😁
@@joentell I didn't use his name on purpose. If you have seen his videos and his "statement of fact" attitude about his reviews, you'd immediately know who I was referring to.
IE: he says really stupid things like "SVS uses a class A circuit in a class D sub amp to give it a flavor of class A." Uh....(forehead slap). And "Class D amps aren't there yet". and then does a favorable review of the crown drivecore 2 amp.... he does a favorable review of Klipsch, then in his "candid" video he slams them. But, enough about him. I blocked his channel for continuing lack of integrity and knowledge.
Yeah for sure. I also block reviewers who I believe to have zero integrity so I wouldn't know the references. That's a waste of time for me. I have so much to work on to improve my channel, I don't have time to watch too many others. It would just be adding to an already long list of things I should do better.
you’re awesome! love this. great info very helpful
joe, with the original unifi5 being 300 bucks right now, would you say the improvement of the new ones is worth the extra 300 bucks? tricky question
$300 is a steal. That's what I'm saying ...that's a tough call. Just because these are technically better doesn't mean the previous version wasn't awesome. I was happy to buy it at $499!
How come that the UC52 has less bass than the UB52 even thought it has a bigger cabinet and one 5” bass driver more ?
Nice review, Joe. Hey one thing I thought of in regards to the elevated treble you seem to be hearing, how much toe-in are you using? It's been noted that Andrew Jones voiced these speakers 15 degrees off axis which is not much toe-in at all when you figure that out (almost straight ahead to be honest). So, if you are still pointing them right at you like you were with the originals you might want to toe them out more. In fact, do the math and get them so your ears are exactly 15 degrees off axis of the drivers and I think you will hear a much more balanced tonality in the treble like the originals and the soundstage should widen but still retain excellent imaging. I know you know how to do that but in case others are reading this, it doesn't mean you toe the speakers in 15 degrees rather you toe the speakers inward so that your ears are 15 degrees off the perfect, straight-on axis of the drivers. Just do the math.
Good point. Yes, I do experiment. If you notice from the sound demo I do, I move towards and away from the speakers changing the off-axis response. I almost always listen to Andrew Jones designed speakers off-axis because I know he optimizes for that. He mentioned that in the hour-long interview I did with him a while back.
Thorough and good work! Thanks
Joe are you hinting to me to modify the FS52s ? 😆 NicE review Joe lol I'd like to try them out !
You could....it might sound different, but better is subjective
Great comparison as always... I love my pioneer AJs, but at some point I will upgrade just not sure with what yet... I want something with a similar sound signature but with a little bit larger sound and oomph. I wouldn’t mind a little more in the highs but I don’t want harsh speakers either. I love the warm smooth sound they have... I just wonder what brand or where to go next. I want something with larger drivers for sure at least 6” or 7” to move more air in my home theater. I listen to lots of music too, I noticed orchestral music is when the pioneer AJs tend to show their weaknesses... but for their price I can’t complain. Any brands of where you think I should look next? Basically I’m looking for more of that buttery smoothness but improved audio all around.
If you haven't tried the FS52 floor standers, I think those are excellent. I think you can look at Wharfedale also. The Linton and Denton sound excellent to me.
Joe N Tell ahh yes actually in my 5.2.4 set up I have FS52s all around as my bed channel fronts and sides... I ceiling mounted the BS52s for my heights... I’m not opposed to spending 5k or so for my front sound stage to start. I guess this is the rabbit hole we all go down when getting into this hobby. I guess I wonder what would be a significant enough upgrade without getting to far away from that warm sound these have? I’m sure there’s a gazillion ways I can go but if there’s something in mind that you have tried in the higher end that you think is in ways similar I’m all ears!
As long as you're having fun. I really think you gotta check out the Wharfedale offerings. Similar warmth a bit more highs.
Joe N Tell awesome
, thanks for the advice I will check those out for sure!! You, Youthman and techno dad are some of my favorite audio and home theater channels to watch! Love seeing you guys doing your live streams together as well. You all seem to be having good fun. Thanks for your time.
A step up from those FS52's might be the inexpensive Wharfedale Crystal 4.3's.
Im looking at the 2.0 for a system.. My new budget might agree with these. Thoughts?
Basically they try to correct everything Danny at GR research take apart and corrected with the old uni-fi when he took it apart through in new components on the crossover and Added sound deadening to the cabinet.
Not really. They changed out driver components and adjusted the crossover values to accommodate those drivers...not to copy Danny's crossover values. That would be silly.
Damn Joe, the “Gun Show” 💪🏽 came out when you were lifting up the speaker in your black t-shirt! You been lifting that iron bro? 😎 Break-in is real in some speakers, I guess, huh? The new UBs sound like they are worth a try.... one of your most thorough reviews! Thanks bro! 😎
Lol! I wish I could hit the gym again. I'll wait till this COVID stuff is over though.
ELAC's are consistently good.
My ub5 throw an image at least 5’ on the side & fwd of the speaker, I use a stereophile cd
2 tracks on the cd, first track on the cd is a dog barking center left & right, the dog barking on the left & right is at least 5’ on the side of the speakers & fwd, the second track a piano solo, at the end of the piece someone says well done on the left speaker , the image on the speaker is well fwd & 5’ on the side of the speaker. The speakers have to be set up correctly. My ceiling is 10 feet high, I have a couch on each side of the speakers. I read a reviews & he said the speakers had no sound outside of the speakers. The ub5 image is holographic.
I haven't watched speaker reviews in a while and those measurements @12:03 got me dying. 10/10
Does the increase in treble sound harsh to the ears with voices while watching TV or movies? I know your alter ego hinted to that
Maybe can sound sibilant on S sounds. The sound would have to be there first. It won't put something there that wasn't already there.
I don't like the poor sensitivity at 85db/watt.
The frequency response shows that the treble response above 1khz averages 2db down, and that in the important presence zone, 3khz is an extra 2db down.
The low sensitivity is the sacrifice you have to make if you want a small enclosure with deeper bass. 3khz is the most sensitive hearing region so there's often a dip there. I'm not saying it's correct. +-3dB is very good and +-1.5dB is excellent
Hey Joe, how would you say these speakers would fair as a nearfield/desktop solution? I am heavily considering these and the Triangle BR03's for my desk at work. I have a decent sized office (16x16) and will be pairing the speakers with a Vista Audio Spark and Topping E30 DAC. Would appreciate your thoughts!
The Triangles at nice looking, but I rated these higher. More accurate response.
Dear (potential) Elac-Owners and dear @Joe N Tell,
has anyone had the experience to compare the Elac Uni-Fi CC U5 against a single BS U5 (the ones from the series with the satin finish)? What can I expect from the additional low end driver? Could the composition of the CC U5 drivers cause problems in a vertical position?
I was considering moving my two BS U5s to another room, buy three CC U5 and set them up horizontally and vertically for a left-center-right configuration. Any objections as to why this could go wrong?
Eagerly awaiting your input. TY.
Hey Joe, (Not the song, ) good video. Question : Should I mix these new Elacs Uni-Fi 2.0 with my current speakers - Elacs Debut 2.0 . I am setting up 4 speakers to my Stereo system in the basement sound "stage". I play music while I work in the Basement Office and also use this "studio' as a place to play my drums to My Music. I'm 69 years old..... So the folks out there should know what I mean by My Music.
I always recommend the same speakers for LCR, for rears, you can mix and match
a little confused about which direction to go if buying ELAC? This is clearly better than the duller/original version, but what about the DEBUT 62? I know you show the graphs, but in your opinion, how do they compare?
I think you might want to research the advantage of a concentric design. Also note that this is 3-way speaker which also has advantages. See if those things are important to you or not.
Nice review and comparison! Thanks, Joe :)
May I ask you what you think of them with respect to the B&W 606 s2 anniversary?
I think I had the B&W 606 s2's when I was comparing them to the original UB5's. I ended up returning the 606's. They sounded a bit bright for my taste. I like the 3-way concentric also.
@@joentell thanks for your reply! I will keep it in mind while choosing my speakers
Well, these are now on my Amazon wish list. I'd prefer the response advantages of this design vs the good looks of the reference. They'd mostly be doing home theater duty for me.
I think that's a smart choice!
In a dark room, every speaker is beautiful.
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I would need to put them upside down, because this is the only way for me to to have the tweeter level with ears. By doing so, am I compromising anything like imaging or Soundstage or else? Good objective review
It should be ok. These are less probe to issues with vertical off-axis response.
Hi, how would you compare it to the Evo 4.1 for Music? Thanks
Please review the Elac BS-312!
Which ones sound clearer and have a better soundstage wharfedale diamond 12.1s? Or elac unifi 2.0 ub 52? I’m asking with the diamond 12.1s because I know you did a review with them but I’m deciding between wharfedale diamond 12.2s or unifi 2.0 b52
I like the Diamonds more
are these speakers good sounding at low volume vs the prime svs?
Hi Joe! It would be pretty cool if you could compare the Elacs to the KEF Q Series. Concentric vs Concentric essentially...
I have a pair of KEF Q300 and don't know if the UB52 would be an upgrade. What do you think?
I haven't tried the KEF
I have Elac's but I don't use them. Not revealing like other speakers.
Got my UF52s and setting them up now. Wondering if you're aware of any tiny plugs that go into the 6 cover holes..preferably same black ash color?
I don't, but that's a good idea you have there. How do you like them?
Big Jay likes fresh hater Jay! Great concept! I literally burst out laughing after the green cone comment!🤗😝😝😉😇 and by the way everything he says is true look at those binding posts!🤪🤪🤯🤯🤓
I predicted that they would go to a front port but I also thought they would go to a 6.5" woofer.
I hope these sound better after break in because they are harsh and hurt my ears at the moment and I don’t play loud music. My amp is a Nad d3045 which plays on the warm side. In fact so far they’re brighter than my RP600m. I’ll give them another week and see if there is an improvement.
Other reviewers said they need a break in of some 4 days, otherwise you will be disappointed. So I let them break in for 4 days in my office, then I will take the time to listen and compare.
@@MarijkeWillemsen990 There definitely is a break in period. I just left them on at hardly any volume. I would change the CD daily. Speakers are great now. I did this for over a week. Can’t recall how many days but the speakers are excellent.
@@j.craigh.3480 Thank you for your answer! They will arrive today!
I don't know why, but i cant find anyone with "Dali" and "Mordaunt Short"... are they against sending speakers for review or they just don't care?.
They don't seem to have a big presence here in the US and they're not really in communication with us video reviewers.
So should I go with the Debut Ref or UB52? They're the same price.
At the end, I compare the two and when you should buy what. Reference has better build and looks. Uni-Fi 2.0 is a 3-way concentric with better imaging and soundstage.
Great informative review.I prefer the original ub5s (for music) because i don't like much treble,fatiguing for me and for many others.Andrew Jones is adding more and more treble to all of his speakers......No thanks i want my ears. As i like more the original elac debut b6 than the dbr.I like soft mids and highs and strong bass."Clearness" is overrated vs long time listening.Home cinema is another thing!
Dear Professor :) , can you do the S2000MKIII please? They have Klippel tuned bass/mid drivers.
I think you're to nice to try and be a hater/mean in your critique. lol
I like to say, I'm good person...and sometimes nice. 😉
Choosing between the ELAC UB52s and the Wharfedale diamond 12.1. Please advise.
What conclusion did you come to after watching both videos? I placed the Wharfedale higher on my Leaderboard. Http://bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard
@@joentell I ordered the ELACs today after listening to the New Record Day sound demo. I have 60 days to test them out. Thank you
How this ub52 compare to KEF Q350?
Haha, Fresh Hater Jay knows how to do measurements 12:04
Highly accurate and scientific. 🤣
Hi Joe, what mic are you using for room mesurament? Thank you
UMIK-1
Hey Joe. I was just wandering if it would make sence to use the center speakers as mains?
It would make more sense to use your mains as a center so they would all be the same. I'm not sure how it sound using center channels for all of them, but you might run into issues with the dispersion pattern when using the center for left and right. I guess that would depend on the speaker and how you have it oriented.
@@joentell Ok. I was looking for speakers sized between bookshelf and floorstanding, and there arent that many out there. But there are tons of center speakers in that size.
I think it would be an interresting video, to see what the experience would be like.
@@justinbennitt835 Hey man. Thanks for sharing your info. I looked into it myself as well, and found out that the main problem is, that the center speakers doesn't go as low. UC52 only goes to 55hz and the UB52 goes to 46hz
The first version was not good - I heard it here at home - too less treble
But UB 5 are that Slim?
Fresh hater Jay 🤣😂😂😂👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼 He hit a lot of important points for real! Awesome vids as always bro 👍🏼👌🏼
Have you ever reviewed ZVOX speakers?
can you compare this to the svs prime bookshelf? which is better?
Check my speaker leaderboard on a computer to see where it ranks. bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard
Marantz of the 70s isn't the Marantz of the 2000s.
Correct.
How would a down firing port work as compare to back ported or front
Similar. It's more about location of the port relative to a nearby wall than it is about where it's pointing. It could be upward firing, but stuff might go into the port. This is not taking into account things like Polk's Power Port technology which aims to reduce turbulence.
Badges? They ain't got no badges? They don't need no badges.
Joe, you still using the Yamaha 501? If so, that would be a constant through the Wharfedale, the UB52, and the Debut Reference, right?
Good vid.
I am still using the Yamaha. I don't hear huge differences in good amps...only going from bad to good.
I think you meant to say, "We don't need no stinkin' badges!" 🤣
@@joentell
By the way, I owned a Marantz 2220 for years. Bought it new in about 1975. Good stuff.
I miss that thing. Burned in a storage fire
@@joentell
That sucks. Obviously.
Seems like a ELAC Uni-Fi Reference is coming next lol
I sure hope so! If they do, I hope they make them as awesome looking as the Debut Reference.
Have you reviewed the Elac Vela BS 403?
I have not
How come no reviewer has mentioned how cheap the new ones look compared to the old version. They got rid of the magnetic grills and wrapped them in what looks to be the same lower quality wood grain vinyl used on the Debut 2.0 series. For a speaker in this price range appearance does matter and they really sacrificed aesthetics to make the sonic improvements.
Yes, they look much worse than the UB5, which is too bad.
If you’re judging a speaker based on its looks you’re missing the point. Entirely.
How can we see your leaderboard
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I do actually feel like I got tricked into buying the b6.2. Won't happen again. I think ELAC doesn't really sell speakers, they sell Andrew Jones.
Which is also selling speakers. He knows how to make good speakers and I agree with most of the sacrifices he makes to design an inexpensive speaker. There are other great designers out there, but they're not playing within this price range unfortunately. I wish they would.
The thing that makes AJ different is he's an engineer and also good on camera/personable. That's a tough combo to find sometimes.
i went from fs52s to rp 600ms from watching your reviews
Very different sound huh! Both have their merits
Love you but this video is about 15 minutes longer than needed. Cant finish it.
Hi Joe, do u consider the UB5.2 an entry level audiophile speaker? What about Debut2 0?
You can see on my Speaker Leaderboard where they're placed. You may also find other speakers in that price range you like as well. Http://bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard
Lol fresh hater love that 🤣🤣 keep doing that pls in next videos too
🙏 I'll invite him when "necessary" 🤣
Who keeps giving Elac feedback that dark-ish/mellow speakers are necessarily a bad thing? I realize that brighter speakers may sound better in the showroom, but they also tend to cause fatigue. Perhaps better for home theater, but for 2 channel music I could easily argue that +3db in range you showed might not necessarily be as good as we're told it is.
And they are killing me with the front ports. Understand on the entry-level Debut's but on a more audiophile speaker like the Uni-fi, leave the ports on the back as no one wants to hear port noise and no one is slamming them against the wall either. Fortunately the towers retain the back ports.
And I don't like how the hardware/finish has been cheapened. Maybe we'll get a Uni-Fi 2.0 reference with a bit more attractive finish and design?
I have not heard any chuffing on these ports. That's pretty easy to calculate and avoid with the proper port dimensions and flare.
No port noise on these at all, and no fatigue to these at all. I listen to music for hours on end and I can honestly listen to these for longer periods with more enjoyment than the original UB5's.
Speaker break-in is real whether you believe in it or not.
Andrew Jones says otherwise an interview he did earlier this year. It depends if you're talking about a few minutes max for brand new drivers vs hours and hours like some claim. I believe in the first type and not the second. I've also done my own test and made a video using measurements.
"Here's the port. No need to look back there. Don't look back there." lmao
Fresh Hater Jay is great.
I have the UB5 and think they are terrible for their price - dull and no dynamic or details.
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Not worth it especially when the previous ub5 is $300 now. measurements to tell you something what is every audiophile knows it doesn't tell you that something's better than the other necessarily. I mean just think about it. We are talking about Andrew Jones. Do you think when he created the ub5 he said to himself, I'm just going to make a speaker that's pretty good and then I'm going to make something after it that's way better. That's not the way the guy operates.
" I mean just think about it. We are talking about Andrew Jones. Do you think when he created the ub5 he said to himself, I'm just going to make a speaker that's pretty good and then I'm going to make something after it that's way better. That's not the way the guy operates." Material costs change. Allowance for profits change. Brand exposure is one aspect. Numerous variables. To take your thought, one could say "dude, think about it. Why would Andrew Jones simply reinvent the wheel only to have the previous version drop in price by half while everyone knows it's better and they'll just buy that".
@@ErinsAudioCorner the two versions of speakers are really not that different. So the whole material cost is pretty much so irrelevant. All three drivers are aluminum. The crossover Network in the old series was pretty exceptional it's not like he's going to have some $5,000 crossover Network in the new pair. There simply is not going to be that much of a difference. Companies of course have to come out with a newer supposedly better version but it's not really that much better it's all marketing and sales.
@@ryanschipp8513 the cone material and design is different on the woofers. Do you know what each cost? The cabinet (apparently) has at least a different construction and (assumedly) additional bracing/damping which adds to the cost to the manufacturer. So, there may have been trade offs in the materials themselves ... or not. We don't know. Furthermore, the two units are completely different above 4kHz by about 3dB, which is not trivial at all. Again, Joe's measurements show this. My main question is if the concentric has changed and if the crossover network has changed.
Crossover points have changed. All the drivers are visibly different. Midrange and tweeter are visibly different with different surrounds and shapes. The woofer may just be a different cone than the original or built to extremely similar specifications.
@@joentell I never implied or said at that things weren't different. I'm clear on that. All I'm saying is the old set can be had for $300 now the new set is double the price. I don't care what anyone says about a different driver different crossover different surround or a tiny bit different cabinet that it's not going to sound it twice as good. That's my point. The better value hands down is the old set as of right now. That's a fact whether someone that is supporting elac wants to hear that or not.