there is no objective anything. everything invented by human in order to express thoughts and explanation. ie physics, math, languages. its all man made.
Objectively: a concrete point of view in which all forms of logic and belief, arrive to a singular outcome, possibilty, or truth which is therefore inarguable
When you don't know that Morality was put down in the 10 Commandments in stone & given to Moses by God. You end up with ignorant people who don't know what they don't know. That kid doesn't know that he is a narcissistic sociopath with no functional intelligence.
🤔He is a Sociopath because he is Souless.Talking to him was a waste of time.There was No chance Saving him.He is as stubborn as he is stupid. He made my stomach turn.
The right needs to go to college more. It’s a statistical fact that you will increase your wage on average and get into higher roles/positions. You also learn a lot, if you think you’re so easily manipulated that college can change your entire political view then that’s a problem. I went in with my views, and came out with my same views from a more educated perspective based on science, mathematics, engineering, philosophy, and many others. The reason the right is losing so much, is because they’re highly uneducated statistically speaking. There’s not many people on that political spectrum that are suitable for roles to gain influence. I really don’t understand why this isn’t talked about more and it’s my biggest pet peeve which Kirk, he panders to this idea that “college is a scam” knowing it’s not true statistically, he just knows his demographics.
@@firemonkey1015 Unless you're studying to be a doctor or a lawyer, you dont need college for shit. Go to a trade school instead and learn something you can actually use.
Because they're taught by people w/ a certain agenda or (those teachers) put their by higher people with a certain agenda. They aren't wanting to bring up free thinkers, who have moral values and a good head. They're wanting Brainwashed zombies (Think about blind loyalty and the rule over Nazi soldiers by Hitler, type deal. Their feelings didn't matter to him, Dictator he was.)
These kids don’t even understand their so called beliefs , constantly get caught in no win arguments only to contradict themselves then get angry and start calling people names as a defense
The irony is what Charlie is saying should be taught in colleges. The philosophy of good and to think about it. Not to just say "good and evil is arbitrary."
Good" and "Evil" are words used to describe movement or points on a reference standard or scale conceptualised by man that is based upon our shared goal with regards wellbeing and the values it incorporates like empathy altruism reciprocity equality, respect ect Whether an action is "Good" is entirely relative to the desired objective / goal one is trying to achieve, the specific situation our levels of information and understanding and the range of posible alternative actions and outcomes available. Whilst "God" is also a man made concept, the percieved whims of your "God" do not reflect these shared values and thus are irrelevant in any discussion of morality. Would you disagree ? What outcome do YOU think we are striving for when we use the the terms "good" or "Evil" if not human wellbeing ?
@@trumpbellend6717 Nice try, but "Good" is not relative. Just one example and there are many more, but murder is wrong and it doesn't matter if one or a million people think it is right. It is still wrong. I'll try to be respectful, but you're obviously confused and your word vomit is nonsensical.
@@jonniegrund3286 Lol oh really, then please define "morality" and "good" for us all...... does it relate to human wellbeing or suffering and how we treat each other ? Is it relative or absolute ? Objective or subjective, if objective then *NAME THE SPECIFIC STANDARD* ? What purpose does it serve ie what the goal of a moral system ? 🤔 If these basic questions are beyond you then please don't waste either my time or your own in further discussion
@@jonniegrund3286 Is the killing of babies and children ALWAYS objectively immoral *YES or NO* ? 🤔 If killing babies and children is alledgedly carried out or instructed by your subjective "God" is it moral *YES or NO* ? 🤔 If killing babies and children is alledgedly carried out or instructed by a different subjective God is it moral *YES or NO* ?? 🤔 Is your OPINION regarding the "correct" God who's allegedly the basis for morality a "SUBJECTIVE" one or a "OBJECTIVE" one ?? 🙄 Let the mental gymnastics ensue......
@@trumpbellend6717 Well, in this context, this definition would apply: possessing or displaying moral virtue: And you'll argue that morality is subjective, so it's pointless. Arguing something that has been plainly understood through all of human history to someone who wants to define his/her own reality is a waste of time.
You do know that there have been many studies to assess the religiosity of societies in comparison with their number of murders, "gr4pes", abortion, D use, single parents, even wealth and health don't you ? 🤔 America dispite being one of the most christian countries in the world has the HIGHEST prison population rate per capita anywhere in the world 🤔🤔🤔 It also has amongst the worst results in many of the above categories. Yet those we regard as the most atheistic secular ( the Scandinavian, Sweden ect) score much much better and are amongst the best in those same categories. Hmmm.🤔🤔🤔 For example one of many ........ *"Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies"*
The Perseverance, is a man that I really enjoy watching because he is always fair, honest and a person who, respectfully, listens to the people in the video. I don't always listen to the summation of the video given by each host after the video has concluded . However, I do listen to his most of the time because he is so wise, honest and fair, especially for someone his age.
This kid thinks he doesn't rely on something greater than himself, but he is wholly dependent on a government, or a despot to dictate what he can and cannot do.
Actually, that youth labeled narcissist, was more open to dialog and actual thinking a matter through than many quite older than he. Charlie is doing a very good work reaching out to him and the like, because that kind of mind and heart exercise FOR their good, is seldom if ever actually presented to them in the, "academic", circles. After all, IF those whom RULE IVER our schools turn out TRUE THINKERS, how then, would they KEEP CONTROL of our present and future societies?
@@qetoun Lol I take from your response that English is not your first language. Can you please get someone fluent in your particular dialect of gibberish to translate it, then repost it so I can respond.
The Parents of these young Adults didn't do THEIR JOB, They left it up to TEACHERS AND PROFESSORS WHO HAVE CORRUPTED A ENTIRE GENERATION, Morals and basic life skills are taught at a early age at HOME,And A GOOD CHURCH THAT TEACHES THE WORD OF GOD, Totally the PARENTS FAULT
thank you the perseverance. most of us know the real trust and seek out every potential reality. even the pain we are happy for it all because we know why we chose this,
"Do not kill Do not rape Do not steal These are principles of behavior that every man of every faith can embrace. THESE ARE NOT POLITE SUGGESTIONS" --The Boondock Saints
You simply ASSERT that we are a _"creation"_ and therefore have a _"creator"_ This is fallacious reasoning it's called begging the question. If your initial premise cannot be demonstrated then all that follows is nonsense. It's like saying _"the moon is made of cheese_ ........., _"therefore of course mice would like to eat it"_ 🤣😅
What that guy doesn't understand, is that, that person's twisted moral view where they think raping boys is okay...JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK SO, doesn't make that difference in moral view not Wrong and uncredible and shouldn't be taken into account. 😅 Just because IN THEIR HEAD, they don't believe it to be a big deal (that's a sick person btw, to even think that), doesn't change the Objective Truth and it's not to even be regarded as such.
These arguments and friendly conversation was truly a wonderful experience. Definitely makes me even more open minded and analytical. Thanks for the conversation, enjoyed!!!!
"there is a way" = an ideal exists and we should strive for it even if we keep falling short of it. "Do whatever you want" = do what thou wilt, a well known quote of Allister Crowley. I actually think the Crowley quote is what happens either way, u will do "what thou wilt" your whole lifetime, but " what thou wilt" should be striving for that ideal best way to live and not give in to every temptation u have in life.
Morality is rooted in empathy. It is the recognition and understanding of consciousness in others. Generally, good natured people avoid actions that hurt others because they wouldn't want that to happen to themselves. Laws preventing murder and theft etc. and society at large highlight the transactional nature of morality. The fact that any teachings of the Bible or any other religious scripture are rejected in modern society demonstrates that morality is developed independently. Furthermore, many would argue God as depicted in the Bible is immoral.
@@user-gg8zz4cy5i Yes. So, a part of your sense of morality can be transactional in nature, in the ways that you said. Natural instinct, mate protection, in-group bias, etc. etc. However, morality does not have to be defined by transaction only. Morality can come from a higher source from a religious text (e.g. Bible, Quran, Torah), morality can come from an individual’s subjective beliefs, or it can come from a secular state or government or organizations’ beliefs and systems. Many of these things go hand in hand with eachother. You mentioned how society will have laws outlawing certain things, but said things generally will exist as well as teachings within the holy books. Natural Law, particularly in the sense of what happens with nature, does line up with certain commandments or overall beliefs taught in these books or espoused in other structures. That’s not to argue for whether these religions are ultimately good or not, or right or wrong, but it is to say that they CAN and often DO line up morality-wise with the sort of self preservation and selfishness exhibited naturally and especially consciously by humans, and so do other parts of “Natural Law” or state imposed laws or a random persons’ subjective beliefs. I do think highly of a lot of what’s within certain holy books, but I also think lowly of some of them. It entirely depends on what it is. But I would not say that morality exists just based on transaction; I think that is more of just trying to make an argument
@@Jonathan-A.C. I agree with you. I don't think it's simply transactional, but society highlights that particular aspect of morality. Morality decides what is right and wrong- something that is completely subjective. I may not want to harm anyone, but there are people who would remorselessly harm me, even though they wouldn't want to be harmed. I don't really think there could be one "objective" morality. I do have a kind of deterministic viewpoint and view people as an ecosystem. My views wouldn't exist without my predestined genetic potential and the people, places, and experiences of my life so far. These genetics/people/places/experiences wouldn't exist if not for the unique mixture of genetics/people/places/experiences before them. My subjective view is that mankind has become more and more moral/ empathetic/ united throughout history. Through the lens of determinism this is super positive to me as it suggests a natural progression towards peace.
Ok I usually agree with Charlie, but not here. You don't need religion for morality. And the student was (partially) right - there is no objective morality. We made it up to make our lives better. We don't hunt and eat each other for lunch, because we as a society decided that cannibalism is wrong. We don't rape and kill each other because we decided that those things are wrong. Morality is a social construct and it can change over time. Religion surely contributed to establishing this construct, but it's not necessary for its existence
I agree with you here. There are many people who haven't been raised with social norms of morality. We learn from what we are taught. If you are taught to steal and assault, then you will think that is normal. I get what Charlie is saying, but it seems there is more to be said about this argument.
Charlie Kirk is an excellent logical debater, and his memory is far better than my own, there is no way that I could remember all of those important facts/people/statistics/publications etc. in the heat of the moment, he could wipe the floor with me, whether right or wrong. But his principles are based on christianity. As the popularity of christianity in the western world continues to fade what will be the basis of his argument when christianity all but disappears?
I wish Charlie would have conversation with educated people, even if he is wrong he will win the argument because he is talking with absolute idiots lol
@@hegemonycricket2182 yes. Majority of the people does not even understand the phylosofical problem. He has his own opinion and is able to say it in front of people. I think you wouldnot be able to speak like him. You judge quickly and think slowly. Wake up woke hater.
what did he say that was wrong? its literally just relativism. kind of stumped charlie i think, hitting the kid with extreme examples to make him look bad, no actual argument.
The German population at the time comprised approximately 93% Christians. Both they and the Jewish people held The Old Testament in common and it was only with regards jesus being the Messiah that differences occurred between these two groups and yet 6 million people were killed. One group did the dying and the other group the killing but which group do you think was which ? 🤔 A couple of simple questions for you... ( 1 ) Do you think in 194'0s Germany the killing of six million people because they rejected jesus was disgusting and immoral like I do *YES or No* ?? 🤔 ( 2 ) Do you regard a god and theology that deems those who reject jesus as deserving of eternal torment in a lake of fire upon their death to be disgusting and immoral like I do *YES or NO* ?? 🤔
Is it not you Christians that believes you are made on the image of a PERFECT omnipotent omniscient GOD ??? Dispite the latest studies revealing there are at least 2 trillion galaxies out there. With just our own galaxy alone contains upto 400 billion stars with who knows how many planets. Yet YOU think it was all created because a god wanted to have a relationship with little ol'e YOU. 😜 Now THATS what I call "NARSOCHISTIC"
Throughout life is food, shelter, work, and love. There's always struggle! Today struggle is a Marxists social game, at least in the Western world. We have such an easy experience today. The ease of day to day life is why this kid is so mislead. This generation will be in charge in 30 years.
I'm pretty sure that these people have no idea what "objectively" means.
there is no objective anything. everything invented by human in order to express thoughts and explanation. ie physics, math, languages. its all man made.
Objectively: a concrete point of view in which all forms of logic and belief, arrive to a singular outcome, possibilty, or truth which is therefore inarguable
3:24 "What is the objective?" 🙄🤦🏼♂️
Objectivity is a man made concept. We all experience the world subjectively.
@@user-gg8zz4cy5i there are things in this world that are objectively true. You're insane if you don't believe that.
I dont think he's narcissist. I think that student is a sociopath.
When you don't know that Morality was put down in the 10 Commandments in stone & given to Moses by God. You end up with ignorant people who don't know what they don't know. That kid doesn't know that he is a narcissistic sociopath with no functional intelligence.
its not that deep bro , he's just high and maybe not the smartest person in that group of people
@@avneeshluthra5803Not even maybe he's just not prepared and good at debates but I do agree.
My name is Hedwig: I have on red socksth'
He's on.... the..... moveeeeeeee.
I just eat a hotdog, ''Etcetera''
🤔He is a Sociopath because he is Souless.Talking to him was a waste of time.There was No chance Saving him.He is as stubborn as he is stupid. He made my stomach turn.
More then anything Charlie is awesome for standing up for Jesus. Even though he doesn't need back up but it's great.
When Charlie said “Copernicus” that ish went waaaaaaaayyyyyyy over this kid’s head 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Charlie is more educated by himself than any college indoctrinated student.
Well obviously he does this for a living lol
Well thats a low bar.
@@Octavian2
The right needs to go to college more. It’s a statistical fact that you will increase your wage on average and get into higher roles/positions. You also learn a lot, if you think you’re so easily manipulated that college can change your entire political view then that’s a problem. I went in with my views, and came out with my same views from a more educated perspective based on science, mathematics, engineering, philosophy, and many others. The reason the right is losing so much, is because they’re highly uneducated statistically speaking. There’s not many people on that political spectrum that are suitable for roles to gain influence. I really don’t understand why this isn’t talked about more and it’s my biggest pet peeve which Kirk, he panders to this idea that “college is a scam” knowing it’s not true statistically, he just knows his demographics.
@@firemonkey1015 Unless you're studying to be a doctor or a lawyer, you dont need college for shit. Go to a trade school instead and learn something you can actually use.
Students are in those faculties to learn but they’re not open to learn. The irony 😂
Because they're taught by people w/ a certain agenda or (those teachers) put their by higher people with a certain agenda. They aren't wanting to bring up free thinkers, who have moral values and a good head. They're wanting Brainwashed zombies (Think about blind loyalty and the rule over Nazi soldiers by Hitler, type deal. Their feelings didn't matter to him, Dictator he was.)
This kid is an excellent argument against drugs.
For parents to use birth control!
These kids don’t even understand their so called beliefs , constantly get caught in no win arguments only to contradict themselves then get angry and start calling people names as a defense
Oh really why don't you elaborate with some specifics dear, or is this the limit of your profound input? 🤭
@@trumpbellend6717there another video of his where the kid knew he was completely wrong and his only response was f*ck you you have a small face
The irony is what Charlie is saying should be taught in colleges. The philosophy of good and to think about it. Not to just say "good and evil is arbitrary."
Good" and "Evil" are words used to describe movement or points on a reference standard or scale conceptualised by man that is based upon our shared goal with regards wellbeing and the values it incorporates like empathy altruism reciprocity equality, respect ect
Whether an action is "Good" is entirely relative to the desired objective / goal one is trying to achieve, the specific situation our levels of information and understanding and the range of posible alternative actions and outcomes available. Whilst "God" is also a man made concept, the percieved whims of your "God" do not reflect these shared values and thus are irrelevant in any discussion of morality.
Would you disagree ? What outcome do YOU think we are striving for when we use the the terms "good" or "Evil" if not human wellbeing ?
@@trumpbellend6717 Nice try, but "Good" is not relative. Just one example and there are many more, but murder is wrong and it doesn't matter if one or a million people think it is right. It is still wrong. I'll try to be respectful, but you're obviously confused and your word vomit is nonsensical.
@@jonniegrund3286
Lol oh really, then please define "morality" and "good" for us all...... does it relate to human wellbeing or suffering and how we treat each other ? Is it relative or absolute ? Objective or subjective, if objective then *NAME THE SPECIFIC STANDARD* ? What purpose does it serve ie what the goal of a moral system ? 🤔
If these basic questions are beyond you then please don't waste either my time or your own in further discussion
@@jonniegrund3286
Is the killing of babies and children ALWAYS objectively immoral *YES or NO* ? 🤔
If killing babies and children is alledgedly carried out or instructed by your subjective "God" is it moral *YES or NO* ? 🤔
If killing babies and children is alledgedly carried out or instructed by a different subjective God is it moral *YES or NO* ?? 🤔
Is your OPINION regarding the "correct" God who's allegedly the basis for morality a "SUBJECTIVE" one or a "OBJECTIVE" one ?? 🙄
Let the mental gymnastics ensue......
@@trumpbellend6717 Well, in this context, this definition would apply:
possessing or displaying moral virtue:
And you'll argue that morality is subjective, so it's pointless. Arguing something that has been plainly understood through all of human history to someone who wants to define his/her own reality is a waste of time.
You go to college to learn something productive not become Stupid and brainwashed
Kirk was stupid and brainwashed before he got to the college dear 🤭😅🤣
You'd think so, but look up the 'Frankfurt School' and you'll see where American education ran off the rails....
@@chadiverson3796 Bingo!
This kid is sooooo close to seeing the light. If it’s meant to be for him, and he chooses it, he’ll have eternal clarity. Open your heart.
"I just think the standard is impossible to reach"
It's impossible to reach the standard of not killing and stealing?
95% of youth are nuts… and it’s down to lack of rules and punishment in there lives
Ty for your caring and eloquent speak on sound morality. May The Living God be with you always. ☺️🙌🌼
The student hit the nail on the head when he said…‘no we shouldn’t do what we want because there’d be CHAOS!!! And indeed there now is….
You do know that there have been many studies to assess the religiosity of societies in comparison with their number of murders, "gr4pes", abortion, D use, single parents, even wealth and health don't you ? 🤔
America dispite being one of the most christian countries in the world has the HIGHEST prison population rate per capita anywhere in the world 🤔🤔🤔 It also has amongst the worst results in many of the above categories.
Yet those we regard as the most atheistic secular ( the Scandinavian, Sweden ect) score much much better and are amongst the best in those same categories. Hmmm.🤔🤔🤔
For example one of many ........
*"Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies"*
No response as expected 🤫
Personally I think Charlie is brilliant!
The Perseverance, is a man that I really enjoy watching because he is always fair, honest and a person who, respectfully, listens to the people in the video. I don't always listen to the summation of the video given by each host after the video has concluded . However, I do listen to his most of the time because he is so wise, honest and fair, especially for someone his age.
There is no such thing AS YOUR TRUTH. You can your FEELINGS. You can have your OPINION but neither has anything to do with TRUTH.
These are college kids? Our future is fuck€d
Care to elaborate with some specifics dear or is this the limit of your profound input? 🤭
Charlie showed BOTH students up. Unfortunately the narcissist won't recognise it.
Yeah that sh*ts been drilled into his head. But hopefully he can dig his way out and have a glorious realization.
@@Kbinger06 if he learns to think for himself
"Christianity is dying?", it's still alive and well everywhere!
Christianity is exploding all over the muslin world as well.
It IS under attack everywhere.
@@kathyflorcruz552- under attack is not the same as dying.
@@kathyflorcruz552imagine believing it’s real
@@1Teymo-fv4sl Imagine believing Islam is "the Final Religion".
It scares me to know I walk an work with these deprived minds so lost an dangerous they are
This kid thinks he doesn't rely on something greater than himself, but he is wholly dependent on a government, or a despot to dictate what he can and cannot do.
As are you
Is this really the intellectual standard of so many university students?
Actually, that youth labeled narcissist, was more open to dialog and actual thinking a matter through than many quite older than he. Charlie is doing a very good work reaching out to him and the like, because that kind of mind and heart exercise FOR their good, is seldom if ever actually presented to them in the, "academic", circles. After all, IF those whom RULE IVER our schools turn out TRUE THINKERS, how then, would they KEEP CONTROL of our present and future societies?
Yes. Mary Ann
The sheer arrogance of these people is astounding
Yep most Christians are like that I find
@@trumpbellend6717 The would be the Atheists.
@@qetoun
Lol I take from your response that English is not your first language. Can you please get someone fluent in your particular dialect of gibberish to translate it, then repost it so I can respond.
Welcome to “ higher education”…
@@francopasta3704
I certainly think those that base morality on the perceived whims of a subjective invisible God need "higher education" dear.
I am from France and you can't imagine how far we are to speak this way in my country.
The parents of these kids are wasting their money on college. Their professors are destroying the common sense of these kids.
The Parents of these young Adults didn't do THEIR JOB, They left it up to TEACHERS AND PROFESSORS WHO HAVE CORRUPTED A ENTIRE GENERATION, Morals and basic life skills are taught at a early age at HOME,And A GOOD CHURCH THAT TEACHES THE WORD OF GOD, Totally the PARENTS FAULT
@@user-ty2tl8nd8x
The last place one should look to for a moral guide is a "church"
this kid is just trying to disagree with anything kirk says just to disagree
No, the kid is right. Morality is definitely subjective.
@@seldomn06 Okay groomer
@@derp8575 how does saying morality is different in every culture make me a groomer
@@seldomn06 Because you are?
@@derp8575 I'm not but alright. You saying this because you think morality is objective?
"Christianity has died many times. Thankfully, it follows a God who knows how to get out of the grave."
thank you the perseverance. most of us know the real trust and seek out every potential reality. even the pain we are happy for it all because we know why we chose this,
They really brought out the smart kid for this debate😅
"Do not kill
Do not rape
Do not steal
These are principles of behavior that every man of every faith can embrace.
THESE ARE NOT POLITE SUGGESTIONS"
--The Boondock Saints
This is what they teach in college and then want loan forgiveness for THEIR LOAN !
How the other student respond gives me hope that our universities are not hopeless.
This world is far to broken. No reasoning left.
This is the way
Just a naive kid who hasn’t had to think about morality in any objective sense.
ASU is falling way behind these days. I suppose that comes from being one of the biggest "party" schools in the country. Such a shame.
That guy will go back to his dorm and think hard about what Charlie said. Charlie is amazing
(Referring to Nietzsche)
CK: Have you read Beyond Good and Evil?
Some kid: I love that video game!
We are absolutely f@cked.
Problem with society is no morallity
And this kid is in college he needs to get his money back because he isn't learning anything lol
Wow this kid is a full blown sociopath.
the only thing that should frighten everyone is that these kids vote!!!!!
Knowledge is power.
The young boy has knowledge but doesn't have *"WISDOM"*
@@YukitoOnline Charlie doesn't either
@@bluekitty7838
Found the young boy.
@@YukitoOnline What?
I remember when the Saturday morning cartoons featured Greek Philosophy.
A confessed narcissist is trying to debate objective morality. You can’t make this up, people.
I like this guy he has answers for all their dumb questions.
I appreciate this mans belief to live by bible principles and standards. This in fact the bible was Gods personal letter to his creation mankind.
You simply ASSERT that we are a _"creation"_ and therefore have a _"creator"_ This is fallacious reasoning it's called begging the question. If your initial premise cannot be demonstrated then all that follows is nonsense.
It's like saying _"the moon is made of cheese_ ........., _"therefore of course mice would like to eat it"_ 🤣😅
He gave this clown way too much time
What that guy doesn't understand, is that, that person's twisted moral view where they think raping boys is okay...JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK SO, doesn't make that difference in moral view not Wrong and uncredible and shouldn't be taken into account. 😅 Just because IN THEIR HEAD, they don't believe it to be a big deal (that's a sick person btw, to even think that), doesn't change the Objective Truth and it's not to even be regarded as such.
Ugh. These kids in the beginning ugh. They are paying big money for this education too
I’d be embarrassed to be this kids parents…. Sounds like a complete fool.
Only in AZ can you see sweaters, flip flops, shorts, and sun glasses and not know what temperature it is.
We just call it comfortable. ❤🌵
These arguments and friendly conversation was truly a wonderful experience. Definitely makes me even more open minded and analytical. Thanks for the conversation, enjoyed!!!!
Charlie almost converted this guy.
This is outstanding.
That guy is a lost cause, Charlie tried 💯 facts
It's not Charlie kick it's Charlie Kirk😂
"there is a way" = an ideal exists and we should strive for it even if we keep falling short of it. "Do whatever you want" = do what thou wilt, a well known quote of Allister Crowley. I actually think the Crowley quote is what happens either way, u will do "what thou wilt" your whole lifetime, but " what thou wilt" should be striving for that ideal best way to live and not give in to every temptation u have in life.
Love your channel buddy keep it up!
Morality is rooted in empathy. It is the recognition and understanding of consciousness in others. Generally, good natured people avoid actions that hurt others because they wouldn't want that to happen to themselves. Laws preventing murder and theft etc. and society at large highlight the transactional nature of morality. The fact that any teachings of the Bible or any other religious scripture are rejected in modern society demonstrates that morality is developed independently. Furthermore, many would argue God as depicted in the Bible is immoral.
It can be simultaneously transactional and rooted in something higher, or also predicated on other factors
@@Jonathan-A.C. Could you elaborate? What do you mean by something higher? Thank you
@@user-gg8zz4cy5i
Yes.
So, a part of your sense of morality can be transactional in nature, in the ways that you said. Natural instinct, mate protection, in-group bias, etc. etc.
However, morality does not have to be defined by transaction only. Morality can come from a higher source from a religious text (e.g. Bible, Quran, Torah), morality can come from an individual’s subjective beliefs, or it can come from a secular state or government or organizations’ beliefs and systems. Many of these things go hand in hand with eachother.
You mentioned how society will have laws outlawing certain things, but said things generally will exist as well as teachings within the holy books. Natural Law, particularly in the sense of what happens with nature, does line up with certain commandments or overall beliefs taught in these books or espoused in other structures. That’s not to argue for whether these religions are ultimately good or not, or right or wrong, but it is to say that they CAN and often DO line up morality-wise with the sort of self preservation and selfishness exhibited naturally and especially consciously by humans, and so do other parts of “Natural Law” or state imposed laws or a random persons’ subjective beliefs. I do think highly of a lot of what’s within certain holy books, but I also think lowly of some of them. It entirely depends on what it is. But I would not say that morality exists just based on transaction; I think that is more of just trying to make an argument
@@Jonathan-A.C. I agree with you. I don't think it's simply transactional, but society highlights that particular aspect of morality. Morality decides what is right and wrong- something that is completely subjective. I may not want to harm anyone, but there are people who would remorselessly harm me, even though they wouldn't want to be harmed. I don't really think there could be one "objective" morality. I do have a kind of deterministic viewpoint and view people as an ecosystem. My views wouldn't exist without my predestined genetic potential and the people, places, and experiences of my life so far. These genetics/people/places/experiences wouldn't exist if not for the unique mixture of genetics/people/places/experiences before them. My subjective view is that mankind has become more and more moral/ empathetic/ united throughout history. Through the lens of determinism this is super positive to me as it suggests a natural progression towards peace.
@@user-gg8zz4cy5i
Fascinating
I usually agree with most of what he says, but did he just say if you don’t believe in something bigger than ourselves, then we can’t be good??
I dont think Charlie should entertain ignorance like this for long
Type of kid to go impersonate a cop lmao
Wow..."Are they changing fast, or are they staying the same faster?" That took me back a step. Prolific thought.
While charlie praises plato, socrates & aristotle what does he have to say about none of them being monotheists?
15:20 was homie bout to fall asleep LOL
Ok I usually agree with Charlie, but not here. You don't need religion for morality. And the student was (partially) right - there is no objective morality. We made it up to make our lives better. We don't hunt and eat each other for lunch, because we as a society decided that cannibalism is wrong. We don't rape and kill each other because we decided that those things are wrong. Morality is a social construct and it can change over time. Religion surely contributed to establishing this construct, but it's not necessary for its existence
I agree with you here. There are many people who haven't been raised with social norms of morality. We learn from what we are taught. If you are taught to steal and assault, then you will think that is normal. I get what Charlie is saying, but it seems there is more to be said about this argument.
By the way…the host of this podcast seems like a very nice and intelligent person…I enjoy the content
Charlie Kirk is an excellent logical debater, and his memory is far better than my own, there is no way that I could remember all of those important facts/people/statistics/publications etc. in the heat of the moment, he could wipe the floor with me, whether right or wrong. But his principles are based on christianity. As the popularity of christianity in the western world continues to fade what will be the basis of his argument when christianity all but disappears?
I wish Charlie would have conversation with educated people, even if he is wrong he will win the argument because he is talking with absolute idiots lol
He goes to colleges to expose people both to how colleges are and what the students think, and to share his ideas and platform
And I thought 💭🤔 I was the center of the universe 😮😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅!!
Have he ever read Albert Camus or Arthur Schopenhauer..Nah! Guess not..
I will be reading Nietzsche book. Not the smartest but these students have no common sense and makes me feel like im smarter than them 😅
Charlie was weak on this morality argument there are so many different ways to argue with the guys statement about it being up to you
Did charlie just say that c.s.lewis developed the Tao? I think i understand what he was getting at, but it was a wild statement to hear
Morality can’t be objective
I agree. Everything he said was correct in my eyes, but his expression of religion didn't feel right.
Is there purpose to morality? Most definitely .
I don't think the kid is a narcissist. If he was hs would have never admitted to it.
He is not a narcisist. He is intelligent but has a wrong opinion. He will change his mind. He is clever.
Clever? Intelligent?
Did we watch the same video?
@@hegemonycricket2182 yes. Majority of the people does not even understand the phylosofical problem. He has his own opinion and is able to say it in front of people. I think you wouldnot be able to speak like him. You judge quickly and think slowly. Wake up woke hater.
No cleverness on that boy not even a man
No, he just thinks he his, when he is not.. you know. a narcissist
This guy is a danger to everyone around him.
This guy is the epitome of someone who listened to TOOL and did Acid once and think's he's smart 😂🤡 Hope for his own sake he learnt something here.
Thank you
The funniest part is just to not prove Charlie, right. His responses basically break down to a bunch of weird vague open ended statements.
best advert for condoms or abstinence this boy.
what did he say that was wrong? its literally just relativism. kind of stumped charlie i think, hitting the kid with extreme examples to make him look bad, no actual argument.
You can’t help narcissists, but duct tape can muffle the sound.
Pathetic... People feel so weak that they think they need to believe in some made up book and made up religion just to be a good person.
is that Telly from the movie kids?
I was a leftist, then I became a father.... ....
I have noticed that Christianity is still going strong. But I also know people that fallow Norse Mythology and Native American Spirtitolisum
How? Idk I single actual Christian. No one believes the fairytales or lives by them.
Lol you do realise that there several religions older than Christianity that are still "going strong" truth is not a popularity contest dear
The stupidity...😮, and then he'll have a college degree and become society??????
Scary. Mary Ann
in summary modern society thinks morality is based off individual worldviews, opposed to actual truth in the world
The German population at the time comprised approximately 93% Christians. Both they and the Jewish people held The Old Testament in common and it was only with regards jesus being the Messiah that differences occurred between these two groups and yet 6 million people were killed.
One group did the dying and the other group the killing but which group do you think was which ? 🤔
A couple of simple questions for you...
( 1 ) Do you think in 194'0s Germany the killing of six million people because they rejected jesus was disgusting and immoral like I do *YES or No* ?? 🤔
( 2 ) Do you regard a god and theology that deems those who reject jesus as deserving of eternal torment in a lake of fire upon their death to be disgusting and immoral like I do *YES or NO* ?? 🤔
I,ve always thought laws today were based on the law of the land of yester years.
I don't need religion to want what religion wants. My morals are religious free. Sucks he proselytizes during his debates
What does religion want? Religion is evil.
That narcissistic student is off to a soulless start on life.
Is it not you Christians that believes you are made on the image of a PERFECT omnipotent omniscient GOD ??? Dispite the latest studies revealing there are at least 2 trillion galaxies out there. With just our own galaxy alone contains upto 400 billion stars with who knows how many planets. Yet YOU think it was all created because a god wanted to have a relationship with little ol'e YOU. 😜
Now THATS what I call "NARSOCHISTIC"
Throughout life is food, shelter, work, and love. There's always struggle! Today struggle is a Marxists social game, at least in the Western world. We have such an easy experience today. The ease of day to day life is why this kid is so mislead. This generation will be in charge in 30 years.
Over and over, I see that our Founding Fathers had God's hand upon this Country. That is WHY it was so successful for so long.
Where did you find the full video?
he's talking to a bunch of dullards.