DIY or SOL?? Steering slop FIX on our OBS!
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Get a box wrench and an allen wrench, whatever size it is on your steering box on the top. Take the box wrench and crack the nut and take your allen wrench and turn the worm gear a quarter turn and tighten the lock nut back. Start it up and see if the slop got any better. If it did but it's still too loose repeat in quarter turn increments. Just don't make the steering box too tight because you can accidentally do that, then it will wear out.
This is the right thing to do to get the slop out of your steering
@@tony92368 I was pretty sure there was a way to adjust that SB...like you said...I was gona comment it myself...ya beatme2it...:)
Hello Aaron and Emily to get the slop out of the OBS just the worm gear at the top of the steering box
This. but New is always a good alternative lol
Do guys do carburetor rebuilds
Hey, it looked like there was some play where the steering knuckle attached to the steering box spline. Maybe just a camera angle? Great episode!
I saw that too looked like the joint was still loose !
Definitely
@@4Truth4All I agree
I thought so too…
Tighten the clamp on the shaft at the steering box..you can see it move inside the coupler
Just had to have my local shop do an HPOP on my 96 F250 7.3 powerstroke last week. Fortunately they are a GR8 shop and I completely trust their work on my rig. I used to do a vast majority of my own work on her, but a stroke took that ability away! Love seeing ya all keeping the old rigs runnin!!!
Just a reminder of how good it is to see Aaron's arms working and fixing his rig. And its always good to see the OBS! I love that truck.
Aaron...there is an adjustment on the box to take up slop. On top is a nut with a stud that takes either a slotted screw driver or an Allen wrench. Loosen nut, adjust stud and test as you go for slack. Don’t over tighten as it will wear out the box. Get to no slack position and tighten the nut. Easy fix but be careful with the tightness of adjustment screw. Have fun and stay safe. Nice hair this week Emily.
If you need to adjust it......its already worn out.......
That is not correct. While it might be shot, I would believe the remanufactured unit was within rebuild tolerances except for adjustment of gear. If it never needed to be adjusted, it would not have been made with adjustment screw. Adjust the newly installed box after you look at the video where it seems to show slop at the splines. It that case crank the bolts on the mating collar and squeeze the shaft. Maybe Emily can help with that ! You don’t want any play at the connection. See if I am right before you drive that thing on a highway. Last thing you want is to lose steering at road speed and in traffic. Stay safe guys. Aaron, the get Emily to help goes along with your floppy disc. You two are my favorites. See you next video.
@@kevinflynn9204 or their parts store rebuild wasnt set up correctly............
I did an apprenticeship as a HGV Fitter nearly 4 decades ago. Since then I've owned various cars, motorbikes, mountain bikes and nitro RC trucks. "Fine! I'll fix it myself!" has become more or less a way of life for me.
It's great that Aaron doesn't give up easily.
Aaron's large... brain. Giggle giggle. 5 seconds in and already with the innuendo. 😂 smh. That's just like when you were working on the camper trailer with a floppy disc. 😂
Yep, I enjoyed watch you showed us. Always do.
BTW a few weeks ago I came across Little Grip Garage. It is so good watching Little Grip work on things. He a wrench from the same tool box. Good and funny.
My 1st year of marriage, one day the wife came home all upset cause her car didnt pass inspection. I asked why and she said the garage told her she needed breaks done and quoted her some thing like $600 "sorry was 33ish years ago". My dad was a master mechanic in the airforce so you bttr believe!! I had done a few up to that point in my life. So for lees that $100 I swept away her tears...and it passed inspection....I took it that time.
3-4 uggaduggas and 2-3 bbrrrtttss and there's your torque!! 😂
YOU SIR are a great husband
It is really difficult to find a good shop these days. I had one for many years but he retired and the new owners have a different mind set on things. Good for you guys!
Blue top steering box will eliminate that play. They’re spendy but well worth the cost.
I worked at a Ford Dealership back in the late 70s and even new trucks the steering was sloppy. And some of the things that the dealer had us do I didnt agree with.
I own a '93 Volvo 940 ( don't judge me) and I live in rural Australia where there are NO Volvo mechanics.
I am also getting used to saying "fine I'll fix it myself". I do search for knowledgable resources before I decide what to do. But just occasionally I'd like to have someone say, "I know what's wrong" and have them fix it.
Segue to another comment. I love the way you two are down to earth. Your work in the shop doesn't need glossy production values. Just give us the straight story, no BS. And you do. Thanks.
Emily thanks for wearing the Cummins t-shirt. They are a new partner of ours championing future techs. That being said we also appreciate Ford who has been a long time partner. We are facilitating over $2 million dollars in scholarships to future techs for Ford.🎉 Techs Rock and so do you and Aaron.
Isnt that a recirculating bearing steering box????? Kind of typical for that vintage... There is an adjustment nut on top that will take the play (clearance) on the recirculating bearings and make the box tighter... It was done to compensate for wear back in those years.. You can try adjusting the nut to take more clearance out but remember too tight will destroy the spiral race or bearings....
Yes I have been screwed many times but I can’t do my own work because of back injury.
You could see it wasn’t the shaft by looking at it when rocking the wheel back and forth. Could see it was in the box
Aaron has a great sense of humour 😂. Love you guys and girls ❤
Ok, dumb question, what the heck is OBS?
Totaly enjoy watching you and Emily fixing vehicles
I have had great success with CenterForce Dual Friction clutches and pressure plates in all of my trucks over the years. Nice and smooth engagement
That was a great line Aaron!!!
@@mikemullay5622 he’s so clever 🤓
I don't know if it was me or just an optical conclusion on my part, But the connection on the spline shaft on the steering box seemed to be rocking on the spline teeth ever so slight. The nut which tightens the lock collar may need a few more Uggaa Duggaa's to close up that gap.. Hopefully it's at least a grade 5 bolt, but please don't snap it.. Love you videos guys!
Look into Redhead steering gear boxes. They are a refurbished OEM boxes that are remilled and added better bearings and gears and everything. I put one in my 07 Cummins and it fixed my steering issues! Been running it for over 8 years now and still cannot complain.
Retweet! Just put one in our excursion and was very impressed
My eyes might be playing tricks on me but it really appears like the knurled spline is not moving with the steering shaft…it looks loose on the shaft. 🤔 rewatch your coverage and look at the shaft before the steering shaft replacement and then look at the footage from after the steering box and steering shaft.
That’s what I was seeing also.
It's a good day when you save a rubber
😂ha ha ha ha
Look at minute 14:22 I can see the solp with the graebox and the steering shaft. Love the two of you. Good luck.
Flip flops are good enough for Friebuger.
Shops not doing the job properly is what got me into working on cars. It definitely comes in handy knowing how to fix most things.
There used to be an adjustment grub/nut on old steering boxes. One of those "insert screwdriver - Loosen nut - tighten screwdriver/grub a bit, and while holding the grub , tighten nut, done!
I agree with you. I hate sloppy steering, it's just I. Replaced the one on my truck. Mine had originally manual steering. I switched it to power and then I had to switch it again when I went to 4 wheel drive. It was so much fun. And the best part is they try to rip you off and say oh, you're steering box costs more. Because it's a different steering wheel. A different box because yeah, you're your 4 wheel drive box cost Moyes rip-off. Because we just went through it all.
They basically take the same box from 2 wheel drive off of one ton all the way up to 87 or so for my truck. For full will drive. With a slight modification for the Lines
3am in the uk and I just got in from work. Quick snack and FSG before bed. Perfect 👌
watched the knuckle, on the splinned shaft, knuckle was moving, splins where delayed in their movement?
This will piss you off but there should be an adjustment on the steering box to take up that slop. Usually looks like a stud with a nut on it, its kinda like adjusting valve lash, loosen the nut and turn the stud a small amount (half a turn might do it), you should be able to get that slop out, just don't bind it up. Hope this helps.
Looks like the steering shaft coupler is moving on the gearbox stub shaft. Tighten the pinch bolt.
I am mechanic, but only back yard mechanic, but also mechanically inclined
My subi Forester lost its steering last week..Back in the day, I would have put it up on jackstands and replaced the wheel bearing and speed sensors, etc..50 years on, I took it to the only shop I trust in the region and he quoted me parts and labor..I looked at the quote and said" get it on !!" He is also hanging a timing belt and servicing the 4EAT transmission..Yaaa!!!!
NICE! Yes been there done that! That’s why I work on everything myself! From the car to the house! Everything’s! Don’t trust other people!
so good to see you about the you tube world-You should start a relation with the LORD JESUS CHRIST t give you strength and healing.blessings.
Your working on Ford why are you using metric wrenches and sockets ??????
Rag joint always has a little and it gets worse. Put a borgesn on it. Adjust the worm set screw like other on here said to. If you get a hard spot in the steering you went too far. Have my 77 f150 since high school. 4 boxes later and they wear out and you keep adjusting down. Best thing is to find a complete new not refurbish one with all new internals. Broken secter shafts are common too with heavy 7.3 or a 460 and 35s. Watch for cracks to pop up around the gear also. Had a 94 150 do that.
Now you know how I learned about vehicles ❤LoveJim J&R mobile service and God Bless y'all and your critters
Ford trucks have always had loose steering.It's their nature
Yes, I've been a mechanic for almost 40 years. I am that mechanic. I do my own work.
Even when I'm disabled, it sucks. I'm restoring my old truck. It's 53 years old. It sucks some things I need a hand with.
But I know what's done when It's done right?
when you are looking down at that box and you see that kind of slop...its 99% of the time the box......
Y'all probably done have a box but I would highly suggest a redhead box I don't think you'll find a tighter box out there
I completely emphasize with you about taking my vehicles to a shop. Took my boat in for a tune up, cost me $2K for carb rebuilds (6 carbs on a Johnson 150). Result, the boat runs worse than it did before I took it in. Took it back and he didn't touch it for two weeks with numerous promises and excuses. After Hours Marine in Summerville, SC did nothing to fix the issue. I doing all of the work now.
I had a 97 ford f 250 that must be a f 350 because mine was the broke axle front dif. Fords independent front susp. It did okay and I liked it. But had a Dodge Cummins I liked better.
IF that pickup is a 4wd with a Dana front axle and Ford's Frame is no stronger than a Dodge, The frame may be flexing at the steering box. I had to buy and install a stiffner kit on Gransons 92 W250 Dodge with a Cummins. The oversize front tires also put more stress on the frame. Next check the ball joints on the dana axle if so equipped. There are instructional vids that show how to adjust a steering box. I think adjustments need to be made with a dry (no fluid) box. Upper adjustment under the rag joint. Sector shaft should have lock nut on adjuster screw. Main thing check for frame flex or Drag link bowing with the strain from the big tires
That’s true fix it ourselves because dealers want to much money ???
Hey guys, At 14.22, the spline is not grabbing the knuckle properly. There are a few others who noticed this in the comments.
I'm sure you tightened the clamp and all is fine. We care about you and wanted to let you know if you missed it.
Love watching ya'll from little ole' New Zealand. Lookin forward to your camping trip!
It's the middle of winter down here
Well done kids. Pretty much the way all OBS thru 7.3's drive.
Hey Aaron the work in flip-flops has already been done, think Sleeperdude has a patent on that LOL. Nice job on figuring it out, and moving forward when presented with an obstacle. And Emily are you sure you stopped filming because the hammer blows were repetitive or was it because Aaron used some rather blue language with the hammer blows wondering why the blank, blank,blankity ,blank won’t you come out. Because I’ve been there on a few occasions, my wife would vouch for that. Anyway once again good job on the repair you guys
10 years ago driving across the country with my truck my wife two little kids and everything we owned on a trailer I kept having intermittent power loss. Normally I do all my own work but all my tools were packed deep in the trailer. I wound up having to stop at an unnamed chain exhaust/garage in Nebraska to have the truck looked at. This was an OBD 1 truck so electronic diagnostics were troublesome for those who weren't familiar with old junk (no after cat O2). Due to a rattle, massive carbon buildup on the tailpipe, a couple other things, plus the 1500 miles of driving to think about it I was sure the cat was failing. After I told them what I believed it was the garage did everything they could think of that wasn't the cat. Spark plugs, fuel filter, a cat back exhaust and none of it really fixed the issue plus we lost 2 days travel time in the process. I wound up just having to cannonball and limp the next 1500 miles getting horrible mileage and 45-50mph top speed. As soon as my tools were unpacked I unbolted the 4 bolts holding in the cat and sure enough the catalyst had broken up and turned sideways rattling all over the place. I was not amused.
I’ve spent time underneath dash’s and reaching around front wheels. I’m betting this episode was short because of spicy language 😂. Sucks the mechanic you paid hard earned money to couldn’t fix it.
About 20-21 yrs ago, took my 97 Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo to the dealership in Appleton,WI to have the heck engine codes ran. Can back, they said it will be $40 for code reading. Paid and asked what the codes were. They said, oh we couldn't read them, there was an issue with our machine. I made a scene, to say the least , I think they had my picture on the wall till the day they closed. Last time I will ever take my car to a stealership.
Those steering shaft rag joints are notorious for play/slop even new. Boregson makes a replacement ujoint style kit you should check out. Just did this job on my 1972 k10! Thanks for the great content
Great video, love watching you two, keep up the great work. And as usual Emily is so so beautiful. Lots of love from pa ❤❤
Hey guys I have a obs power stroke what kind of intercooler do you have in the obs mine is a 96 F350
I had been chasing after my steering play for a number of years. I have had my mechanics shop change the steering box three times with remanufactured units. Every one of them did not take out the slop. There remained at least 3/4 inch play at the steering wheel. Finally I sprung for a brand new OEM steering box. It took out the steering play after making the sector gear adjustment. The final play I have left is about a quarter inch steering play. I could chance adjusting the sector gear a little bit more but worry that I would over adjust so I left it be.
Yes, DIY everything. I'm like you Aaron I don't trust anyone working on my vehicle. It's not theirs, they really don't care. Plus the new mechanics are really just parts replacers. There's no diagnostic abilities. Just like the parts counter guy who asks if it's an automatic or stick when you're asking for windshield wipers. Obnoxious..
It's called a "wall job". That's when they park it up against the wall and when you come back it's either still parked there or they put it back after "fixing" it. But even after two weeks or two months, it's still broke despite a substantial bill. Too many shops are ran either by crooks or idiots or both. I used to DIY always, but after messing up my back and getting much older I have to depend on a mechanic somewhere. Finding a good one is hitting the lottery.
It's very good that you're teaching your daughter how to work on her own vehicle. That way, when she flies the coup, she will not get rip of. I would highly recommend she would take couple semesters of auto mechanics so she would have her own electronic test for reading codes. Just think if she took it to a repair shop and told what to fix, and came back said there was another $250.00 in repair and says that she is a master mechanic and her code reader. And say just fix the problem I told you to fix.
Some times you have to do it yourself I agree with you Aaron and Emily I hate paying people to work on my vehicle I h n I can do it myself
Hi! Guys. On top of the steering box there is an allen screw with a nut. Loosen the nut holding the allen screw so it doesn't move. Then turn the allen screw just a 1/4 turn clockwise. Once you do that drive it around for a couple of day to see if there is any improvement. Very important do not go over a 1/4 turn increment on the allen screw. I hope this help you out. P.D. Change that mechanic.
TRY adjusting your steering box first! Our 2000 super duty was sloppy steering too, the solution we found was to adjust the steering box backlash, its got a little screw and lock nut, you adjust it. Little goes a long way and you want to do a full lock to lock after every adjustment to be sure its not binding at the extremes where its not so worn. I got mine from about 6" of play down to 1.5" or so. do it with the front end jacked up and the engine off so you can feel if you have binding. its easy and free to try.
I can hardcore relate to the whole deal about garages incorrectly diagnosing issues and costing time and money. Most recent episode was getting new tires on my Camaro. Somehow a wheel that ran perfect before, suddenly was “bent”, took 9oz and ended up shaking like crazy. Went thru the trouble of having the wheel checked by an alloy wheel repair outfit, the wheel was perfectly fine. Took this wheel to a completely different shop, it took 3/4 of an ounce and balanced perfectly. And of course the other front wheel was way out of whack also and needed corrected. Such a run around! 🤣
I've had 50/50 experiences with shops, and try to do as much as I can on my own now. Plus, if I wanted it done wrong, that's my specialty and I charge a lot less.
AARON- question you may have already answered. Are you going to try to get your medical back. If so, what is the time frame before you can do so. I know it can often take years. Just wondering as an aviation enthusiast. Would hate for you to be unable fly for the long term.
you're right about the Pitman Arm, but they call the frame mount side the Idler Arm
My sons is also super hard to push. It was with the stock clutch and also with the new clutch. Put in South Bend hydraulics, and that didn't work either. Hopefully, you figure this out.
look for an adjustment screw, kinda looks like a valve rocker adjustment center screw with a lock nut. tighten just enough to remove slack, you'll know pretty quick if you got it
Very long story short. The worst experience I ever had was an over heating brake, front passenger. We were going out of town, and I was short on time, so I took it to a recommended shop. $500 later, still have the issue, and they had broken several things under the hood (dash was lit up like a Christmas tree). Got back home, and looked for myself. Vents in the rotor were dirty, 5 minutes, and the brake problem was fixed. Spent the next several days replacing broken lines under the hood to clear the codes. Good news - I have shop now that is incredible. So when I'm short on time, tools, or talent - they are there.
The is a adjustment on the gear box
That was my thought too
What he said!!!
I I’m curious about you swing shackle swap. Jeep runs the swing on the very front of the frame and the very back of the frame. In order to create a smoother ride, we swap the front shackle to the rear of the spring. Makes a big difference in both on and off road driving….just my 2 sense;-)
Hey guys love your videos . One quick question how do I find information on Power Tour thank you and have a great 4th of July
My husband and I watched the video it was awesome you and Aaron Crack me up ❤❤❤
Tighten the steering shaft bolt on the new steering box “ It’s LOOSE !” 2:36
Precisely how I started to work on Cars Took a car to 3 mechanics for a driveline vibration issue Told them i think its the driveshaft all 3 said nope its something else, In desperation i said "how hard can it be" and replaced the drive shaft "Fixed it myself" Unfortunately common sense aint common with many of these shops.
I agree with you, I do not take a mechanics word as gospel, I will research myself.
Ever since I’ve been in my wheelchair I’ve had it happen more than once. I really miss being able to work on my own junk.
It is frustrating when a shop doesn't just do what you need. Chances are either you have an older truck because you know how to work on it or it is you can afford. Either way, shops should recognize that. They could have proven you right or wrong in 20 minutes if they respected your opinion in the first place.
Happens to me all the time. Every single time I pay someone to do a job it takes far, far longer than promised and/or isn't done properly. People are always saying I do too much myself but it's not by choice. Got to the stage now where people want me to do jobs for them.
Excellent Video, Thanks and have a Safe 4th of July.. I am already at the lake.
Many of these gear boxes have an adjustment for play. Not sure when they changed from having to disassemble and easy adjustment from top. Look at the type of gearbox you have and see if there is a screw coming out that has a lock nut on it. The screw will have a spot for a flat blade driver. Loosen the nut and turn the flat blade clockwise 1/4 turn,. lock it back down and should be better. If it had a cover plat that needs removed you will have to research that. My dad was good at it but i never learned how to adjust those.
I had a friend who worked for a large auto parts store. I’m not gonna say who they are but their initials were PP you guys can figure out who they were. He worked for the service department. They basically told him that rip people off he told me I told my ex-girlfriend never to take your car there and it was a car I bought for her. What did she do because she was going on a trip I told her to wait and I would change the oil but she was impatient, she took the car there. All of a sudden the car was leaking oil and it came up with a bunch of other problems. And it wind up costing us about a $1500 repair because she didn’t listen to me she learned her lesson and it cost me money.
There used to be an adjustment on steering boxes. A screwdriver headed bolt with a locking nut around it. Maybe they did away with those.
I know you two want to look good on camera, but if you wear overalls they protect you from accidentally cutting yourselfs on the metalwork associated with working on vehicles which is a definite certainty.
I bought one of the first year S-10 pickups and at about 60K miles started having problems with it intermittently running bad. I took it to two different shops and spent about 400 dollars and still had the same problem. I bought a book that explained the electronic ignition system on it, diagnosed it to a module in the distributor, took that module to my local autoparts store where they tested it bad and told me what my symptoms were. I put that 6 dollar part in and went away happy.
Richardgabet133 is right , there is a nut with a screw on top of gearbox for adjusting play ,just back off the nut and screw the the screw down till it bottoms out and then back it off a quarter turn and tighten the nut
I thought you could tighten the steering box. Should be a bolt on top you can tighten.
18 wheeler steering boxes are heavy! I know from my parts warehouse years. 😊
I think I saw movement in the splines where you tighten the bolts down to the box??? around 14:22
Time 14:28 into the video when you were moving the steering wheel checking for slop Maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me, but it appeared the steering linkage at the gear box the splines were not seated, and I could see a small amount of play in the gearbox splines and linkage splines. Please go back and take a look for yourself. To me that would be a safety issue for you guys.
Hey guys, double check all the things that were mentioned. Just to be sure. Be safe.
My friend was a Ford master mechanic and hated rebuilt parts he’d say that he didn’t want parts rebuilt by minimum wage people so he take everything a part measure and rebuild himself and sometimes bring me parts for machining.
My steering did the same thing,02 power stroke. Dealer tightened 3 bolts on column under the dash. They told me it happens alot
Most times the gearbox don't ware out because of play. You need to adjust the worm gear on top and you have to test it with the engine running because of the pressure from the power steering pump. Only adjust the worm gear in 1/4 turns at a time because if you go to far the steering will lock up all ways turn it from stop to stop