@KeenanBask Seeing as the Baldwin's Lament ending is canon, we can assume that everyone was mostly separated at the time of their assassination attempts. There are 5 confirmed deaths so far, all of which are assumed to have come from a gas leak. If this area is a social commons, then I'm willing to bet that this explosion either took place at - Houston's underground bar in Mexico - Bonnie's bar in Glasgow - Duke's museum in NYC I'm willing to bet that it's likely Duke who was targeted in the gas leak since the paper revealing the information about the explosion is with the gang in New York. We can't say for sure if any of these heisters were assassinated. All we know is that the explosion in the paper killed 5.
I would suggest a slight alteration to the 3rd scenario: During the prep work for the Payday Gang hit, 47 and/or Diana find out that they're going to commit a bank heist soon, and decide this will be the best time to take them all out at once before they scatter to the 4 winds. Diana will call in an anonymous tip to the police using a secure untraceable method, making sure that the cops arrive just AFTER the guns come out and the masks go on, making sure that the heisters can't just walk away as civilians. After that, 47 could quietly subdue/replace a police sniper called into the standoff by the SWAT team, and then it just becomes a Sniper Assassin level where you can't shoot any civilians in order to maintain your cover. The gang's weaponry is heavily specialized towards close-range combat and semi-automatic/full-auto rifles, so taking down a highly-trained sniper like 47 from a very long range would prove very difficult, especially if 47 used subsonic ammo and suppressors to minimize his audio profile while initially focusing on taking out any of the gang equipped with longer-range weaponry.
Well, the early police arrival isn't something that Payday gang can't handle, as in Reservoir Dogs heist they survived an actual high profile ambush, and they didn't know it was coming until the very moment. With the sniper part, okay, I get what you mean. The only catch is, that I think the gang would immediately know where the shot came from, given the bullet impact zone, regardless if it misses or not. Also, some skills like Inspire Aced (Dallas has it) and Messiah Aced (Hoxton has it) can make situation worse for 47, as the target he shot and presumably killed, stands back up and given how the gang rarely splits into one, this would cause problems for Agent. Also, this is Milton-Flitzpatrick Bank - there are only a few possible sniper nests 47 can take, since this is a massive bank with the vault below ground. As soon as they get there, which I think they would do as soon as alarm is raised, sniping them from a far automatically stops being an option, unless they come out, to for example obtain equipment to get the vault open. And on top of that, Payday gang has their own handler, that signalizes objectives, informs about any hostiles in the heist area, or if one of the crew goes down. While I see how this could work, these are the issues 47 would have to deal with, if he wanted to remain unseen.
Alternative scenario: 47 uses the sewers to get under the gangs getaway vehicles and places an explosive device. He just waits for them to make their getaway and blows them up. There have been missions in iirc Silent Assassin where he kills by blowing up vehicles this way. He would never even have to enter the bank, he would just see this is an opportunity to kill the lot of them in the same place.
To be fair, the Payday gang has taken out several police snipers before; while I get the point of he's more trained, he's still a sniper, and the Payday gang has still killed thousands of snipers.
Payday and Hitman are practically embodiments of crime. They have everything: bank heisting, drug dealing, assassination, even classified info gathering and even escaping the law. These games are literally the perfect games too go against each other.
Looking back into the video and its comments, I'm feeling like people didn't actually watch the video, not even halfway. The gang has equipment, skills and their own handler, that all counter some of 47's tactics. 47 tries to garotte Wolf? One of the sentries Wolf set up automatically acquires a lock on 47's head. 47 successfully downs Hoxton? He makes a quick shot at a nearby enemy and stands up. 47 eliminates and disguises himself as Dallas? The rest of the crew doesn't buy his shit. 47 down someone by dropping a chandlier? They immediately stand up thanks to Inspire Aced, which Dallas has. For the last point, if it's Dallas then he the crew would immediately rush to him, and if multiple are downed in an accident kill, then the rest of the gang would know.
He also forgot that if someone gets hit in the face with a bullet proof mask on, (with anything bigger than idk 45 ACP it will penetrate and even if it doesn’t it will knock them out immediately, also back face deformation
god what i would give for a hitman crossover heist that has agent 47 + diana as your contractors guiding you through and it's an assassination heist where you get to use very hitman-esque methods such as using disguises
My idea of a crossover would be the Payday crew targeting a facility or bank to lure out a high level executive that 47 needs to take out the following day. Both games can use the same map as well.
Honestly, I rather see it as more like a "role swap" idea - Shade and Diana would have had a long lasting friendship that split and went forgotten after both went separate paths, and they only re-established contact after decades. Also, what about both 47 and Diana supplying the gang with all remaining ICA weapons that are still left long after the Agency's shutdown? Diana would guide the Payday gang through locations from the Hitman trillogy, while Shade - guide 47 in a location Payday gang already went to. Perhaps that could be exploited in the future in a similar manner that Payday 2 plot went ahead with. As for Agent 47's purpose in game, I rather see him as a favor usage, which you can utilize. Just an additional bot teammate alike, but with more functionality like giving him kill orders or tell what to do, otherwise he would act like an ordinary bot heister, but with a Silverballer in his hand instead of an Assault Rifle.
@@JaNieWie Or he could be similar to Ilija, just faster, more efficient, and you can have him target certain targets like medics or dozers. Maybe even have the option to have him cover certain AOEs
i honestly have had random thoughts of a crossover event for both games, it'd be amazing. like imagine a heist in payday that's also in hitman as a contract with the payday gang as the distraction for 47, with him on the comms and stuff. my dopamine would go through the roof because i love both series a ton.
I imagined it like this: A few locations from the World Of Assassination trillogy are repurposed for heisting experience in Payday 3. My bets are: - Milton-Flitzpatrick Bank in New York, - Militia's Outpost (transfered ownership under a new organization) in Colorado, - Yates' Mansion (under a new owner) in Mendoza, - Ark Society's Headquarters on Isle Of Sgail, - Museum in Paris, where Sanguine Fashion Show took place (now as a Museum), - GAMA Hospital in Hokkaido. Meanwhile Hitman would get a contract from a Payday location. My suggestion would be FBI headquarters in Washington, DC.
Disagree, 47 has already taken high security or targets that can already defend themselves. Not to mention he is extremely creative in kills, so don’t underestimate him.
@@haengeltheknight1212 well I did, kill everyone just takes good path and luck, but death sentence also doesn't really take skill when you can find an OP build. I'd say that this is a shit comparison, Payday (2 atleast) is optimized for overkill difficulty, so payday gang in lore is prob fighting "overkill cops". At the same time hitman is not killing everyone, since he is an assassin not a terrorist. Those are just 2 extreme challenges set by players. If you really want to compare these 2 games, then we must act as if Hitman can kill anyone and doesn't have any weaknesses (SPOILER: other than Diana), and Payday gang has shit ton of armor, weapons ranging from ancient crossbows to flamethrowers and few tricks up their sleeve (SPOILER: some of their contracts are probably immortal, they can change bodies...). If someone wanted to kill payday gang, he would peobably not live long enough to give contract to Hitman, if payday gang was tasked with killing hitman, they are probably smart enough to not even try. If they both wanted yo kill each other(according to lore it doesn't make sense but whatever) Payday gang would kill Diana or anyone that could help hitman find them and hitman would never be able to find them, but if payday gang was stupid enough to try and kill hitman, they probably wouldn't (even if they are invincible or something, because if he doesn't make mistakes, he will br able to kill them no matter what)
Even if he picks them off one by one, the payday gang are cannocialy time traveling eldritch gods (yes really) and they cannot be killed unless it is by a “pure of heart (Again, really) or if their watcher (Bain) is killed first-
I wouldn't say that The old masks are, from my interpretation, reference to the world resetting whenever the dentist winds [such as in the non-canon ending]. Technically the 3 kings are the eldritch gods. Bain wasn't their watcher. In the heisting world he was their handler/watched over them but in terms of the kings and watcher Bain was a watcher for either Elephant or Vlad. Dentist's watcher was Kento [son of Kiro]. The watchers have to be chosen by one of the 3 kings in service and none of the Payday Gang are or were kings since they didn't know anything about the whole thing. If they were, Bain wouldn't have needed Duke because the specialty knowledge could just come from a pre-existing gang member. On the topic of Duke, he also isn't a timetraveller. No Mercy is canonically a flashback hiest - being the same one as the level in Payday: The Heist. This means that only Dallas, Hoxton, Chains and Wolf coulda been there. His voice line saying he's not supposed to be there is a non-canon easter egg at best [Really hope this doesn't come across as rude, trying my best. Hyperfixated on PD2 a while back and my stupid ass decided to almost memorise the story rather than studying]
people are forgetting he is going easy on hitman by only using the 6 heisters that are in payday 3 and there canon skills remember how many people were in payday 2 and they were diverse in all there skills and power i.e jacket and Scarface since not even bane/the gang themselves know who they are only who they claim to be and john wick since he would sill be under the high table at that time would find out if anyone had a price on his head/the gangs
I was carefully thinking about a match up until I realized that every playerable character in payday 2 (and someday perhaps 3) can carry a mini gun and rpg while wearing high blastic armour. Even without all the nonsense, Chains has proven himself to do just fine in his private life looking at the life action clips.
So, in conclusion: the Payday gang wins in the two scenarios that Agent 47 won't let happen, and in the scenario that would actually happen, Agent 47 makes French Toast out of them.
The number of targets are similar to berlin as well as the ability to detect 47. But i would say from a story stand point, 47 would either pick them off 1 at a time in different places or 2 at a time for the standard hitman level layout. Or maybe killing 1 member and sabotaging the funeral of that member to kill the rest.
agent 47, in the hitman movie after assassinating the russian president and got his ass chased down by the russian army; when he was at the hotel HE LITERALLY MASSACRED RUSSIAN SPECIAL OPS WITH 2 SILVERBALLERS
That's the movie and it's not canon to the Hitman plotline. While yes, I think 47 is an excellent gunslinger, he prefers quiet approaches whenever possible.
We can’t forget if the payday gang have each other it seems fair 47 has Diana she herself is extremely skilled as well as having information on the entire world she would have no problem tracking down the payday crew
Scenario 3: 47 uses the cover of the bank heist to infiltrate the sewers, come up under the gangs getaway vehicle (which is conveniently parked over a manhole) and places an explosive device on their vehicle, killing all targets in a single blow. He has used them method to kill in levels in Silent Assassin.
as a Hitman expert and knows a lot about Hitman I do understand that he is outmatched with the bulletproof vests and masks that the payday gang has a gunfight will likely lead to 47 retreat or death the only way like you said is sniper or get up and close but only after they retired that's the catch
I mean in the Crematorium segment of Absolution mission 47 had three targets, the Praetorians Carey Scutum, Jack Aegis and John Hoplon. All three carry assault rifles similar to the gang but just -3 persons. And they where aware that 17 was coming. And also if he was AP rounds when he was sniping that would be instantly game over for payday gang so I think it would be tie at least.
You didn't account for the music that would back up each scenario. I feel like a hit on the safehouse would have the nightmare track from Payday 2, "Death Row".
I do agree with how the scenario would end up with the Payday group beating 47. However, I disagree that they would know who 47 is. The only reason the people in Mumbai get suspicious of him is because they are looking for non-tourists and non-locals (and the one in Paris is still a bug). However, this doesn't change scenario 2 or 3 enough for it to change much.
in scenraio 3 with set up time for 47 he can just sit at the boss office and snipe the gang on entry if he ignores SA the druzhina 34 can penetrate walls and armor that is equal to paydays dozer
i mean you forgot one thing, 47 can disguise as anyone whos close to the target so if he kills a member steals their outfit well its game over for the payday crew
That could work, if the gang didn't know that someone is impersonating one of theirs, and given how their handler informs about each crew member down, the crew would be disguise enforcers towards 47 wearing one of their outfits.
@@bogdanalacek6791 if he would be disguised as a cop, then the gang wouldn't hesitate with gunning him down. If as civilain, it was already said in the video.
I argue that in the second scenario 47 would have a good shot. In the first mission of hitman 2, 47 infiltrates a house filled with many security guards, and it is trivial. In scenario 2, there are less guards, and even though they are more skilled, it should still be easy. I think we can compare this to the assassins in freelancer. So, it would be like the first mission of hitman 2 except there are only 6 people in the building and they are all assassins. I think it would be easy, because stealth could be possible. 47 could disguise himself as one of the gang and it is shown that his voice acting skills are very real. 47 could then gather them all to a "Meeting" where he would put an explosive under the seats, or some other easy assassination method. Also scenario 3 is just unfair.
You also should remember that the payday gang infiltrates the white house and pulls off a reincarnation ritual while fighting spirits [reskinned cloakers] right after fighting off hellfire from the mercenaries and going through the white house's security systems.. without any losses
scenario 3 isnt thought through if we allow 47 time to plan as suggested he would know the layout of the bank and the payday gang quickly get to the boss office knock out the guards and set himself up with a sniper at the big ass window overlooking the entrance which can be done in under a minute take the druzhina 34 in stealth headsoht hoxton who prob wouldnt wear a mask as the gang enters heists without them in most cases to scoop out the place then quickly take down the others after that causes them to go loud even with their masks on the druzhina 34 can penetrate walls and the biggest armor in Hitman which would be equal to a dozer in payday it would be silent assasin as the heist going loud would make the kiss seem to be from guards (we already saw shooting kills not being attributet to 47 for example in mendoza) then he can either disguise himself as an employee and claim he hid upstairs as the shooting began (normal police shouldnt see through him as they are local and dont deal with international stuff) or take the boss exist which can lead him past the police or even the hidden stock market exist which would also misslead the police
In the house infiltration mission you're talking about, 47 got inside when nobody was even here to begin with, giving him plenty of room and time to prepare himself in best position possible. Also, he only had to execute one person.
@@Zanta100getting to Savalas' office with a sniper rifle would be impossible without a proper disguise, and even considering that he would have to pass a few frisk checkpoints to continue (and no, we're not counting dropping the briefcase before the frisk), since a sniper rifle is an automatic illegal item in hands of a security guard, and I don't know if I should count every possible starting point that the bank has (even with 47 undercover in a specific disguise). Also, I don't think the gang needs laser pointers on snipers' weapon to lure out whee he could be - bullet impact zone can reveal 47's position on its own. Also, the crew got skills and even a handler, that all can counter this approach, as Shade would inform the gang when one of theirs goes down, and Inspire with Messiah Aced (skills which Dallas and Hoxton have respectfully) would make things more challenging for Agent 47. So, while possible to take them out like this, it's not 100% sure that 47 can win like this.
47 is not winning in a gunfight. Period. It just is not possible in any real situation. His only possible rout is to try to get stealth kills, but even then with the revenant tree, (which you gave to Hoxton.) even that is inconsistent. Feign death alone means that he has a 45% chance to survive any assassination attempt thrown at him which will immediately escalate into a gunfight that 47 simply cannot win. 47 might be able to pick off one or two members if he is lucky, but the rest will be alerted and hunt him down in a simply unwinable scenario for him.
@@AhhPig The Absolution Cinematic instantly makes the gang look like ants. ruclips.net/video/3j5a1MRNETY/видео.htmlsi=JYNnKcgT8oZr3duZ 47 Literally solos an entire 8-man army, 3 of them being completely silent. They didn’t even know they were getting picked off until after 47 pulled out the dual ballers. 47 probably couldn’t win in a active heist situation, but he car completely come out on top if they were to attack him first. The second part of the cinematic proves ten-folds that 47 would win in a safe house break in scenario. Stuff like poisoning their food and using doors and props for takeouts are completely on the table for him.
@@sandwitchy0 and then the payday gang use inspire or some stupid ass shit pulled out of their ass because they're the payday gang!!! it's complete nonsense how they work and i love it
@@sandwitchy0the thing is: comparing The Saints and the Payday Gang is straight up unfair, since not only the Payday gang has their own handler that will tell which objectives to follow, if any hostiles entered the heist area, or if someone from the crew goes down, they also have equipment and skills that can counter some of 47's tactics. Not only that, but the gang always moves in a squad and if one goes down, they immediately know. 47 tries to garotte Wolf? One of the sentries Wolf set up automatically acquires a lock on 47's head. 47 successfully downs Hoxton? He makes a quick shot at a nearby enemy and stands up. 47 eliminates and disguises himself as Dallas? The rest of the crew doesn't buy his shit. 47 tries dropping a chandlier on Chains? Chains realizes what's going on and backs off, or if he's caught in it, he immediately stands up thanks to Dallas' Inspire Aced skill line (that one I think may be dumb, but I needed something to round it out, so yeah). The easiest of the crew to take down is definitely going to be Pearl, since she has no signature equipment or skills that could prove useful in direct confrontation with 47. Clover... I think too. Meanwhile Joy can at the very best worsen 47's connection strength with Diana thanks to ECM Jammers, leaving just him in combat with no assistance from outside for a while, but nothing 47 can't deal with. As of the safehouse, this really depends on how it goes. The gang members could grow suspicion with each member mysteriously disappearing. What I'm trying to say, is that The Saints came unprepared. So many people underestimate 47's strengths, but if the gang already knew who 47 is, that would significantly boost their chances in winning, since unlike The Saints - they are more armed to the teeth than them. That's just my take, okay?
47 IS a genetically modified clone built for assassinations, it'd be like superman versus batman at that point, whoever finds who first (47 fitting in with crowds and being a human chameleon would give him an advantage)
This video literally ignited my interest in Hitman, must admit. I decided to watch the entire WOA trilogy walkthrough and see how the story of that particular series plays out to better understand it, and I'm clear to say that Agent 47 is nothing without Diana Burnwood (it's sort of same as who Bain/Locke/Shade is to Payday gang). While I was imaginating how could the third scenario play out, I suddenly thought, that Diana and Shade would actually make sure, that such confrontation never happens and instead they find a peaceful way of solving it, but that's my take.
With prep time? Could be close. Hitman could take them on one by one and especially if he hits Bain first the Payday comms suffer. Ultimatey the gang gets together and win. In a "fair fight"? Payday Gang stomps. They're able to take out whole armies by themselves.
Yeah but literally no one in the world knows Bain do they until one of the missions and either way Bain is never with the crew, hes always by himself He's more of a ghost than 47 in a way due to 47 working with the ICA and knowing 47's identity
So 1st: Theoretically you can get to Bain. It was done in P2 so if anyone could do it it would be 47. 2nd: Payday crew does not play by the "realistic" logic that Hitman uses for their murders. Just by injecting a stim they can become impervious to headshots, rockets, explosions, and any sort of damage. And IF you down them, they can revive each other just as easily. If Bain is not discovered and taken out first the gang has ICA levels of intel. Just Agent 47 vs John Wick would be a fun spectacle, and Wick is around 5% of the gang's strength. 47 is stealthy and professional, but as displayed by Hitman WoA he can be taken out by a couple of normal security guards with low calibre weapons, let alone the firepower the gang often carries.
I think 47 wins. And he doesn't even need to come near them. Remember on every games 47 always have an intel on where his target would be. Besides in underwolrd where full of crimes, a rumor of future massive heist would not just stay on one place. There's always a snitch that would give information for a price. And remember he is always two steps-ahead. He could already plan a future accidents that's going to happen before his target get into their places. One example is on a HITMAN Comics where his target is riding on a train. And just before the train got out of a tunnel he already planted a bomb near a pipe and then pipe inside the tunnel exploded hitting his target the pipe entering and exiting from his ears and all of that happened while the train is moving. And when it comes to open area gunfight 47 is an expert. He can literally massacre a whole building that's full of Professional HITMAN, killers, Assasin and Officials.
as for 47 being "unknown", the highest criminals and shady organization rich people know of 47 as a myth, "the bald killer clone", absolutely i think the payday gang would know of him hell bain probably has hired him if they shared a universe edit: the only chance i think the gang has is in payday 2 under the protection of bain from the ica, otherwise i completely think he could kill all 20
i disagree with the thrid scenario if we really take that bank and with setup time then he would hide in the boss office overlooking the entrance after taking the guards down to be alone use a high powered sniper like the druzhina 34 which also comes as silenced weapon and shoot all 6 members quickly with their sniper first before discarding/hiding the weapon and taking either the boss card only exit or the hidden stock market exit in an employee disguise if police finds him he can easily talk his way out by saying he hid hmself as the heist started as it happens during a heist SA/SO is either impossible already given the Paydays crew action or his kills would be seen as SA because people would assume someone from the bank managed to do it the office has perfect view of the only entrance the crew could realisticly take and the only place they could hide is the couter isle but they wont be able to run from that or get a chandelier to their body killing them anyway c
Paydays is a great game but as of Dianna Burnwood he would let agent 47 know that they have Armor on and other skill and stay mindful in colorado Mission briefing ICA
Okay, both Agent 47 and Payday gang have overpowered abilities and skills. However, it's tactics that are the most important here. For example, I don't think that a gang would ever split into one, or react to a simple coin (or something that makes noise) being thrown just a few meters away from them, if during a heist.
welllll.... technically since their is payday 2 skills. that means theirs a dodge build. that also means, tank build, also stealth build. if i can dodge 20+ bullets from cops, the payday gang can most def dodge them. also, they would have inspire. so even if one goes down... well not for long. agent 47 would run out of bullets, or items long before the payday crew
I cloud not disagree more 47 would absolutely distroy the payday gang. He took out 5 or 10 targest in berlin depending on how you play the mission keep in mind that these where al extremely well trained ICA Assassin's, its also revealed that they are top of the class even in the ICA. 47 would win there is now question about it
Well it depends who is the player character with gameplay mechanics like save game and mission restart. Payday gang can restart mission even if they fail . 47 can save scum until he perfectly executes them all. So it's up to the player. I agree payday gang wins in gunfight scenario. They have way more offensive tools than 47. He did have body armor and drugs for heals in blood money but that's no enough.
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Dude I just remembered that PAYDAY 3 started because someone tried to assassinate all the members of the gang. And the assassin failed. >:)
There were several assassins pulling of simultaneous kills on most of the members
They didn’t all really fail cuz most of the gang are “missing”
@KeenanBask Seeing as the Baldwin's Lament ending is canon, we can assume that everyone was mostly separated at the time of their assassination attempts. There are 5 confirmed deaths so far, all of which are assumed to have come from a gas leak. If this area is a social commons, then I'm willing to bet that this explosion either took place at
- Houston's underground bar in Mexico
- Bonnie's bar in Glasgow
- Duke's museum in NYC
I'm willing to bet that it's likely Duke who was targeted in the gas leak since the paper revealing the information about the explosion is with the gang in New York. We can't say for sure if any of these heisters were assassinated. All we know is that the explosion in the paper killed 5.
you have to remember that 47 isnt just a normal assassin, he kills assassins in Freelancer like its nothing.
@@lotuseater2184 i bet john wick isnt dead
I would suggest a slight alteration to the 3rd scenario:
During the prep work for the Payday Gang hit, 47 and/or Diana find out that they're going to commit a bank heist soon, and decide this will be the best time to take them all out at once before they scatter to the 4 winds.
Diana will call in an anonymous tip to the police using a secure untraceable method, making sure that the cops arrive just AFTER the guns come out and the masks go on, making sure that the heisters can't just walk away as civilians. After that, 47 could quietly subdue/replace a police sniper called into the standoff by the SWAT team, and then it just becomes a Sniper Assassin level where you can't shoot any civilians in order to maintain your cover.
The gang's weaponry is heavily specialized towards close-range combat and semi-automatic/full-auto rifles, so taking down a highly-trained sniper like 47 from a very long range would prove very difficult, especially if 47 used subsonic ammo and suppressors to minimize his audio profile while initially focusing on taking out any of the gang equipped with longer-range weaponry.
Well, the early police arrival isn't something that Payday gang can't handle, as in Reservoir Dogs heist they survived an actual high profile ambush, and they didn't know it was coming until the very moment.
With the sniper part, okay, I get what you mean. The only catch is, that I think the gang would immediately know where the shot came from, given the bullet impact zone, regardless if it misses or not. Also, some skills like Inspire Aced (Dallas has it) and Messiah Aced (Hoxton has it) can make situation worse for 47, as the target he shot and presumably killed, stands back up and given how the gang rarely splits into one, this would cause problems for Agent.
Also, this is Milton-Flitzpatrick Bank - there are only a few possible sniper nests 47 can take, since this is a massive bank with the vault below ground. As soon as they get there, which I think they would do as soon as alarm is raised, sniping them from a far automatically stops being an option, unless they come out, to for example obtain equipment to get the vault open.
And on top of that, Payday gang has their own handler, that signalizes objectives, informs about any hostiles in the heist area, or if one of the crew goes down.
While I see how this could work, these are the issues 47 would have to deal with, if he wanted to remain unseen.
Alternative scenario: 47 uses the sewers to get under the gangs getaway vehicles and places an explosive device. He just waits for them to make their getaway and blows them up. There have been missions in iirc Silent Assassin where he kills by blowing up vehicles this way. He would never even have to enter the bank, he would just see this is an opportunity to kill the lot of them in the same place.
To be fair, the Payday gang has taken out several police snipers before; while I get the point of he's more trained, he's still a sniper, and the Payday gang has still killed thousands of snipers.
Payday and Hitman are practically embodiments of crime. They have everything: bank heisting, drug dealing, assassination, even classified info gathering and even escaping the law. These games are literally the perfect games too go against each other.
Looking back into the video and its comments, I'm feeling like people didn't actually watch the video, not even halfway. The gang has equipment, skills and their own handler, that all counter some of 47's tactics.
47 tries to garotte Wolf? One of the sentries Wolf set up automatically acquires a lock on 47's head.
47 successfully downs Hoxton? He makes a quick shot at a nearby enemy and stands up.
47 eliminates and disguises himself as Dallas? The rest of the crew doesn't buy his shit.
47 down someone by dropping a chandlier? They immediately stand up thanks to Inspire Aced, which Dallas has.
For the last point, if it's Dallas then he the crew would immediately rush to him, and if multiple are downed in an accident kill, then the rest of the gang would know.
You forgot he out smarted some killer nuns
He also forgot that if someone gets hit in the face with a bullet proof mask on, (with anything bigger than idk 45 ACP it will penetrate and even if it doesn’t it will knock them out immediately, also back face deformation
god what i would give for a hitman crossover heist that has agent 47 + diana as your contractors guiding you through and it's an assassination heist where you get to use very hitman-esque methods such as using disguises
My idea of a crossover would be the Payday crew targeting a facility or bank to lure out a high level executive that 47 needs to take out the following day. Both games can use the same map as well.
Honestly, I rather see it as more like a "role swap" idea - Shade and Diana would have had a long lasting friendship that split and went forgotten after both went separate paths, and they only re-established contact after decades. Also, what about both 47 and Diana supplying the gang with all remaining ICA weapons that are still left long after the Agency's shutdown?
Diana would guide the Payday gang through locations from the Hitman trillogy, while Shade - guide 47 in a location Payday gang already went to. Perhaps that could be exploited in the future in a similar manner that Payday 2 plot went ahead with.
As for Agent 47's purpose in game, I rather see him as a favor usage, which you can utilize. Just an additional bot teammate alike, but with more functionality like giving him kill orders or tell what to do, otherwise he would act like an ordinary bot heister, but with a Silverballer in his hand instead of an Assault Rifle.
@@JaNieWie Or he could be similar to Ilija, just faster, more efficient, and you can have him target certain targets like medics or dozers. Maybe even have the option to have him cover certain AOEs
i honestly have had random thoughts of a crossover event for both games, it'd be amazing. like imagine a heist in payday that's also in hitman as a contract with the payday gang as the distraction for 47, with him on the comms and stuff. my dopamine would go through the roof because i love both series a ton.
I imagined it like this:
A few locations from the World Of Assassination trillogy are repurposed for heisting experience in Payday 3. My bets are:
- Milton-Flitzpatrick Bank in New York,
- Militia's Outpost (transfered ownership under a new organization) in Colorado,
- Yates' Mansion (under a new owner) in Mendoza,
- Ark Society's Headquarters on Isle Of Sgail,
- Museum in Paris, where Sanguine Fashion Show took place (now as a Museum),
- GAMA Hospital in Hokkaido.
Meanwhile Hitman would get a contract from a Payday location. My suggestion would be FBI headquarters in Washington, DC.
Cool video man the only thing I remember is in codename 47 he killed all The other clones who were also genetically modified
Disagree, 47 has already taken high security or targets that can already defend themselves. Not to mention he is extremely creative in kills, so don’t underestimate him.
Nah did you play payday 2 on death sentence or one Down 😂 ı bet you didnt
@@tramvast5968 did you play kill everyone challenge in Colorado in master difficulty?
@@haengeltheknight1212 well I did, kill everyone just takes good path and luck, but death sentence also doesn't really take skill when you can find an OP build. I'd say that this is a shit comparison, Payday (2 atleast) is optimized for overkill difficulty, so payday gang in lore is prob fighting "overkill cops". At the same time hitman is not killing everyone, since he is an assassin not a terrorist. Those are just 2 extreme challenges set by players.
If you really want to compare these 2 games, then we must act as if Hitman can kill anyone and doesn't have any weaknesses (SPOILER: other than Diana), and Payday gang has shit ton of armor, weapons ranging from ancient crossbows to flamethrowers and few tricks up their sleeve (SPOILER: some of their contracts are probably immortal, they can change bodies...).
If someone wanted to kill payday gang, he would peobably not live long enough to give contract to Hitman, if payday gang was tasked with killing hitman, they are probably smart enough to not even try. If they both wanted yo kill each other(according to lore it doesn't make sense but whatever) Payday gang would kill Diana or anyone that could help hitman find them and hitman would never be able to find them, but if payday gang was stupid enough to try and kill hitman, they probably wouldn't (even if they are invincible or something, because if he doesn't make mistakes, he will br able to kill them no matter what)
Even if he picks them off one by one, the payday gang are cannocialy time traveling eldritch gods (yes really) and they cannot be killed unless it is by a “pure of heart (Again, really) or if their watcher (Bain) is killed first-
Well, bains dead
@@l2_linksklix(not really)
@@l2_linksklix he's the president as of the cannon ending in payday 2
@@LukasQueen the non cannon ending
I wouldn't say that
The old masks are, from my interpretation, reference to the world resetting whenever the dentist winds [such as in the non-canon ending]. Technically the 3 kings are the eldritch gods.
Bain wasn't their watcher. In the heisting world he was their handler/watched over them but in terms of the kings and watcher Bain was a watcher for either Elephant or Vlad. Dentist's watcher was Kento [son of Kiro]. The watchers have to be chosen by one of the 3 kings in service and none of the Payday Gang are or were kings since they didn't know anything about the whole thing. If they were, Bain wouldn't have needed Duke because the specialty knowledge could just come from a pre-existing gang member.
On the topic of Duke, he also isn't a timetraveller. No Mercy is canonically a flashback hiest - being the same one as the level in Payday: The Heist. This means that only Dallas, Hoxton, Chains and Wolf coulda been there. His voice line saying he's not supposed to be there is a non-canon easter egg at best
[Really hope this doesn't come across as rude, trying my best. Hyperfixated on PD2 a while back and my stupid ass decided to almost memorise the story rather than studying]
Overall Point: Never underestimate the skills of bald men
people are forgetting he is going easy on hitman by only using the 6 heisters that are in payday 3 and there canon skills remember how many people were in payday 2 and they were diverse in all there skills and power i.e jacket and Scarface since not even bane/the gang themselves know who they are only who they claim to be and john wick since he would sill be under the high table at that time would find out if anyone had a price on his head/the gangs
I was carefully thinking about a match up until I realized that every playerable character in payday 2 (and someday perhaps 3) can carry a mini gun and rpg while wearing high blastic armour. Even without all the nonsense, Chains has proven himself to do just fine in his private life looking at the life action clips.
Literally had a ton of explosives planted inside his house
So, in conclusion: the Payday gang wins in the two scenarios that Agent 47 won't let happen, and in the scenario that would actually happen, Agent 47 makes French Toast out of them.
The number of targets are similar to berlin as well as the ability to detect 47.
But i would say from a story stand point, 47 would either pick them off 1 at a time in different places or 2 at a time for the standard hitman level layout. Or maybe killing 1 member and sabotaging the funeral of that member to kill the rest.
All fun and games until the true killing machine comes:
The cloaker
true
lol
agent 47, in the hitman movie after assassinating the russian president and got his ass chased down by the russian army; when he was at the hotel HE LITERALLY MASSACRED RUSSIAN SPECIAL OPS WITH 2 SILVERBALLERS
That's the movie and it's not canon to the Hitman plotline.
While yes, I think 47 is an excellent gunslinger, he prefers quiet approaches whenever possible.
U forgot chains being the gains pickle
We can’t forget if the payday gang have each other it seems fair 47 has Diana she herself is extremely skilled as well as having information on the entire world she would have no problem tracking down the payday crew
Safehouse would be always in the Payday gang's favour due to all members of Payday being there and having equal skill
Scenario 3: 47 uses the cover of the bank heist to infiltrate the sewers, come up under the gangs getaway vehicle (which is conveniently parked over a manhole) and places an explosive device on their vehicle, killing all targets in a single blow. He has used them method to kill in levels in Silent Assassin.
My two favorite games
as a Hitman expert and knows a lot about Hitman I do understand that he is outmatched with the bulletproof vests and masks that the payday gang has a gunfight will likely lead to 47 retreat or death the only way like you said is sniper or get up and close but only after they retired that's the catch
I like Swan Song or Bulletstorm Aced + Commando Rocket Launcher.
worlds greatest assassin vs the worlds insanest criminals
Why it always have to be violence
I’d reckon they’d be good mates
I mean in the Crematorium segment of Absolution mission 47 had three targets, the Praetorians Carey Scutum, Jack Aegis and John Hoplon. All three carry assault rifles similar to the gang but just -3 persons. And they where aware that 17 was coming. And also if he was AP rounds when he was sniping that would be instantly game over for payday gang so I think it would be tie at least.
This would be the best damn dlc to ever exist
Edit: also watching that go down was hilarious
You didn't account for the music that would back up each scenario. I feel like a hit on the safehouse would have the nightmare track from Payday 2, "Death Row".
hitman and payday 2 are my 2 most favorate games the twitter beef is a very weird coincidence
I do agree with how the scenario would end up with the Payday group beating 47. However, I disagree that they would know who 47 is. The only reason the people in Mumbai get suspicious of him is because they are looking for non-tourists and non-locals (and the one in Paris is still a bug). However, this doesn't change scenario 2 or 3 enough for it to change much.
I mean, that barcode at the back of his head already gives out, that something's not right with him, so yeah.
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@@Literally___Me Yeah, fair enough
in scenraio 3 with set up time for 47 he can just sit at the boss office and snipe the gang on entry if he ignores SA
the druzhina 34 can penetrate walls and armor that is equal to paydays dozer
This is a well made video and scenarios you really did your research nicely man
i mean you forgot one thing, 47 can disguise as anyone whos close to the target so if he kills a member steals their outfit well its game over for the payday crew
That could work, if the gang didn't know that someone is impersonating one of theirs, and given how their handler informs about each crew member down, the crew would be disguise enforcers towards 47 wearing one of their outfits.
@@JaNieWie But what if he's disguised as a cop or a civilian?
@@bogdanalacek6791 if he would be disguised as a cop, then the gang wouldn't hesitate with gunning him down.
If as civilain, it was already said in the video.
I argue that in the second scenario 47 would have a good shot. In the first mission of hitman 2, 47 infiltrates a house filled with many security guards, and it is trivial.
In scenario 2, there are less guards, and even though they are more skilled, it should still be easy. I think we can compare this to the assassins in freelancer. So, it would be like the first mission of hitman 2 except there are only 6 people in the building and they are all assassins. I think it would be easy, because stealth could be possible.
47 could disguise himself as one of the gang and it is shown that his voice acting skills are very real. 47 could then gather them all to a "Meeting" where he would put an explosive under the seats, or some other easy assassination method.
Also scenario 3 is just unfair.
You also should remember that the payday gang infiltrates the white house and pulls off a reincarnation ritual while fighting spirits [reskinned cloakers] right after fighting off hellfire from the mercenaries and going through the white house's security systems.. without any losses
scenario 3 isnt thought through
if we allow 47 time to plan as suggested he would know the layout of the bank and the payday gang
quickly get to the boss office knock out the guards and set himself up with a sniper at the big ass window overlooking the entrance
which can be done in under a minute
take the druzhina 34 in stealth
headsoht hoxton who prob wouldnt wear a mask as the gang enters heists without them in most cases to scoop out the place
then quickly take down the others after that causes them to go loud
even with their masks on the druzhina 34 can penetrate walls and the biggest armor in Hitman which would be equal to a dozer in payday
it would be silent assasin as the heist going loud would make the kiss seem to be from guards (we already saw shooting kills not being attributet to 47 for example in mendoza)
then he can either disguise himself as an employee and claim he hid upstairs as the shooting began (normal police shouldnt see through him as they are local and dont deal with international stuff) or take the boss exist which can lead him past the police
or even the hidden stock market exist which would also misslead the police
In the house infiltration mission you're talking about, 47 got inside when nobody was even here to begin with, giving him plenty of room and time to prepare himself in best position possible. Also, he only had to execute one person.
@@Zanta100getting to Savalas' office with a sniper rifle would be impossible without a proper disguise, and even considering that he would have to pass a few frisk checkpoints to continue (and no, we're not counting dropping the briefcase before the frisk), since a sniper rifle is an automatic illegal item in hands of a security guard, and I don't know if I should count every possible starting point that the bank has (even with 47 undercover in a specific disguise).
Also, I don't think the gang needs laser pointers on snipers' weapon to lure out whee he could be - bullet impact zone can reveal 47's position on its own. Also, the crew got skills and even a handler, that all can counter this approach, as Shade would inform the gang when one of theirs goes down, and Inspire with Messiah Aced (skills which Dallas and Hoxton have respectfully) would make things more challenging for Agent 47.
So, while possible to take them out like this, it's not 100% sure that 47 can win like this.
@@JaNieWie fair
47 is not winning in a gunfight. Period. It just is not possible in any real situation. His only possible rout is to try to get stealth kills, but even then with the revenant tree, (which you gave to Hoxton.) even that is inconsistent. Feign death alone means that he has a 45% chance to survive any assassination attempt thrown at him which will immediately escalate into a gunfight that 47 simply cannot win. 47 might be able to pick off one or two members if he is lucky, but the rest will be alerted and hunt him down in a simply unwinable scenario for him.
47 without a doubt not even fair
You realize the payday gang has tanked live bombs, taken 40 cops shooting at them at once with ease. You are just lucky they ain't got perk decks
@@AhhPig The Absolution Cinematic instantly makes the gang look like ants.
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47 Literally solos an entire 8-man army, 3 of them being completely silent. They didn’t even know they were getting picked off until after 47 pulled out the dual ballers. 47 probably couldn’t win in a active heist situation, but he car completely come out on top if they were to attack him first.
The second part of the cinematic proves ten-folds that 47 would win in a safe house break in scenario. Stuff like poisoning their food and using doors and props for takeouts are completely on the table for him.
@@sandwitchy0 and then the payday gang use inspire or some stupid ass shit pulled out of their ass because they're the payday gang!!! it's complete nonsense how they work and i love it
@@sandwitchy0the thing is: comparing The Saints and the Payday Gang is straight up unfair, since not only the Payday gang has their own handler that will tell which objectives to follow, if any hostiles entered the heist area, or if someone from the crew goes down, they also have equipment and skills that can counter some of 47's tactics. Not only that, but the gang always moves in a squad and if one goes down, they immediately know.
47 tries to garotte Wolf? One of the sentries Wolf set up automatically acquires a lock on 47's head.
47 successfully downs Hoxton? He makes a quick shot at a nearby enemy and stands up.
47 eliminates and disguises himself as Dallas? The rest of the crew doesn't buy his shit.
47 tries dropping a chandlier on Chains? Chains realizes what's going on and backs off, or if he's caught in it, he immediately stands up thanks to Dallas' Inspire Aced skill line (that one I think may be dumb, but I needed something to round it out, so yeah).
The easiest of the crew to take down is definitely going to be Pearl, since she has no signature equipment or skills that could prove useful in direct confrontation with 47. Clover... I think too. Meanwhile Joy can at the very best worsen 47's connection strength with Diana thanks to ECM Jammers, leaving just him in combat with no assistance from outside for a while, but nothing 47 can't deal with.
As of the safehouse, this really depends on how it goes. The gang members could grow suspicion with each member mysteriously disappearing.
What I'm trying to say, is that The Saints came unprepared. So many people underestimate 47's strengths, but if the gang already knew who 47 is, that would significantly boost their chances in winning, since unlike The Saints - they are more armed to the teeth than them.
That's just my take, okay?
This is such a cool video! You should have way more subscribers!
The gang would likely recruit Agent 47.
I think 47 can call in more logistical support and numbers, if he has to.
He would canonically have to kill john whick to do it...
47 IS a genetically modified clone built for assassinations, it'd be like superman versus batman at that point, whoever finds who first (47 fitting in with crowds and being a human chameleon would give him an advantage)
@@burningfrozenheartache ok... I hear you... But hear me out... John wick is John wick.
And all the Jimmy's
@@Azrael178fair
no he wouldnt and he definitely could
Funny fact? The lore of payday 3 talk about a person want kill all payday gang and fail lol
16:02 you cannot tell me this is not supposed to be a Payday 2 reference
What about a stealth robbery scenario?
I will not stand for the Houston erasure in this video
Houston bad
He replaced Hoxton before update 44 got released so me no like him
@@Protog3n_pd2 it wasn't his fault that hoxton ate shit and got arrested
Also without him as wouldn't have hoxton breakout the best heist,hoxton revenge,or the fugitive skill tree.
Houston got dusted on his 37 birthday. Hoxtons present to him really "blew."
@@Verified_Freak dusted is he a undertale monster or some shit
This video literally ignited my interest in Hitman, must admit. I decided to watch the entire WOA trilogy walkthrough and see how the story of that particular series plays out to better understand it, and I'm clear to say that Agent 47 is nothing without Diana Burnwood (it's sort of same as who Bain/Locke/Shade is to Payday gang).
While I was imaginating how could the third scenario play out, I suddenly thought, that Diana and Shade would actually make sure, that such confrontation never happens and instead they find a peaceful way of solving it, but that's my take.
Nathan "Dallas" Steele vs Neil McCauley.
My dodge build would CRIPPLE Agent 47
for,the bank match I wonder if 47 planned b4 they came and put remote explosives ans sedatives to maybe chip out some of the members b4 he goes direct
With prep time? Could be close. Hitman could take them on one by one and especially if he hits Bain first the Payday comms suffer. Ultimatey the gang gets together and win.
In a "fair fight"? Payday Gang stomps. They're able to take out whole armies by themselves.
Yeah but literally no one in the world knows Bain do they until one of the missions and either way Bain is never with the crew, hes always by himself
He's more of a ghost than 47 in a way due to 47 working with the ICA and knowing 47's identity
47 is the perfect killing machine, payday gang die in tragic accidents before they even see his bald head
And fym, 47 can kill entire armies by himself
HELL, he killed an entire army OF HIMSELF by himself
So 1st: Theoretically you can get to Bain. It was done in P2 so if anyone could do it it would be 47.
2nd: Payday crew does not play by the "realistic" logic that Hitman uses for their murders. Just by injecting a stim they can become impervious to headshots, rockets, explosions, and any sort of damage. And IF you down them, they can revive each other just as easily. If Bain is not discovered and taken out first the gang has ICA levels of intel.
Just Agent 47 vs John Wick would be a fun spectacle, and Wick is around 5% of the gang's strength.
47 is stealthy and professional, but as displayed by Hitman WoA he can be taken out by a couple of normal security guards with low calibre weapons, let alone the firepower the gang often carries.
I think 47 wins. And he doesn't even need to come near them. Remember on every games 47 always have an intel on where his target would be. Besides in underwolrd where full of crimes, a rumor of future massive heist would not just stay on one place. There's always a snitch that would give information for a price. And remember he is always two steps-ahead. He could already plan a future accidents that's going to happen before his target get into their places. One example is on a HITMAN Comics where his target is riding on a train. And just before the train got out of a tunnel he already planted a bomb near a pipe and then pipe inside the tunnel exploded hitting his target the pipe entering and exiting from his ears and all of that happened while the train is moving.
And when it comes to open area gunfight 47 is an expert. He can literally massacre a whole building that's full of Professional HITMAN, killers, Assasin and Officials.
as for 47 being "unknown", the highest criminals and shady organization rich people know of 47 as a myth, "the bald killer clone", absolutely i think the payday gang would know of him hell bain probably has hired him if they shared a universe
edit: the only chance i think the gang has is in payday 2 under the protection of bain from the ica, otherwise i completely think he could kill all 20
also 47 would probably break wolfs neck and take his mask, very cool video btw :D
Payday gang clears Im afraid. The payday gang are walking tanks
U should do a gta gang vs payday gang a battle of the robbers
is this the concept of a clown car?
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You are comparing a man that can resist 1000 shots and shoot infinite RPGs (Payday 2)
Pretty cool concept
You could do rainbow six team vs payday gang
Umm, hey I got a request for imposter vs the payday gang
i disagree with the thrid scenario
if we really take that bank and with setup time then he would hide in the boss office overlooking the entrance after taking the guards down to be alone
use a high powered sniper like the druzhina 34 which also comes as silenced weapon and shoot all 6 members quickly with their sniper first before discarding/hiding the weapon and taking either the boss card only exit or the hidden stock market exit in an employee disguise
if police finds him he can easily talk his way out by saying he hid hmself as the heist started
as it happens during a heist SA/SO is either impossible already given the Paydays crew action or his kills would be seen as SA because people would assume someone from the bank managed to do it
the office has perfect view of the only entrance the crew could realisticly take and the only place they could hide is the couter isle but they wont be able to run from that or get a chandelier to their body killing them anyway
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1 game has asinine dumb buying scheme and 1 game is shoved full of DLCs.
oh wait this is a character battle-- my condolences
nice
Paydays is a great game but as of Dianna Burnwood he would let agent 47 know that they have Armor on and other skill and stay mindful in colorado Mission briefing ICA
Coughing gang vs hydrogen 47
depends is it in lore hitman or someone playing as him
As someone who has played 700 hours of the hitman trilogy and about 2 hours of Payday 2 I can say that I am not at all biased
Am sorry to say but this is such a stupid question
47 who literally has superpowers and has aimbot vs Bank robbers like bro
NO hate.
You haven't played payday 2, right?
does agent 47 have swan song aced and bulletstorm aced? yeah no, the payday gang takes this
Also inspire
have you played payday?
Okay, both Agent 47 and Payday gang have overpowered abilities and skills. However, it's tactics that are the most important here. For example, I don't think that a gang would ever split into one, or react to a simple coin (or something that makes noise) being thrown just a few meters away from them, if during a heist.
Clean sweep for agent 47.
stoic...
These games aren't even comparable
47 Win more powerful,IQ in more
If we’re talking about the entire payday gang with dlc characters and stuff, payday for sure
Edit: keep in mind the be dlc characters are canon
47 would 100% win🗿
didnt the payday crew also fight genetically modified humans? IIRC?
welllll.... technically since their is payday 2 skills. that means theirs a dodge build. that also means, tank build, also stealth build. if i can dodge 20+ bullets from cops, the payday gang can most def dodge them. also, they would have inspire. so even if one goes down... well not for long. agent 47 would run out of bullets, or items long before the payday crew
I cloud not disagree more 47 would absolutely distroy the payday gang. He took out 5 or 10 targest in berlin depending on how you play the mission keep in mind that these where al extremely well trained ICA Assassin's, its also revealed that they are top of the class even in the ICA. 47 would win there is now question about it
Well it depends who is the player character with gameplay mechanics like save game and mission restart. Payday gang can restart mission even if they fail . 47 can save scum until he perfectly executes them all. So it's up to the player. I agree payday gang wins in gunfight scenario. They have way more offensive tools than 47. He did have body armor and drugs for heals in blood money but that's no enough.
alright, instant dislike, you used footage from payday 3