Base Kia EV9 Review & Longest Range Option! Light Long Range 70-MPH Highway Range Test
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- Опубликовано: 27 янв 2024
- Jordan takes the Light (RWD base model) EV9 with the large battery pack out to see how it compares to its EPA estimate. A huge thanks to them for loaning us this car... they have a few available so check out their site should a spec match what you're looking for: www.fortcollinskia.com/
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Traded in my Tesla 2017 MX 100D for the Kia EV9 GT Line two weeks ago (Kia gave me $5,500 more for trade vs what Tesla offered). New MX six seater would have been $26K more vs what I paid for EV9. After driving for two weeks, I'm very happy with my decision. I feel the EV9 GT is much quieter at all speeds, more comfortable (captain chairs are amazing, even second row passengers raved about the seat comfort), many more features, HA2 works great (does nothing wrong vs what I was experiencing for 6+ years with Tesla autopilot FSD), build quality inside and out is amazing for the price, and Ocean Blue exterior with Brown/Black interior makes for a stunning vehicle. I have already received many praises from curious onlookers. I think Kia is going to have a major hit with this vehicle. I know this vehicle made me a first time Kia customer.
curious but how does the range compare between the two? I mean your old X and new EV9 both have a 100kwh battery
Honestly, the EV9 looks so much better than the Mx. the falcon doors are Gimmicky. The look of the Kia is great. Love that theirs more competition for the EV suv market
The average range I was getting in MX freeway driving at 75mph on Autopilot was about 240 miles. Keep in mind that I have only had the EV9 GT for two weeks. I would say average should be about the same or maybe 250 - 260, again at 75mph using HA2. I would rate them the same in real world driving. I never got close to the Tesla range claims and my other vehicle, 2023 Genesis Electrified G80 has been getting over 300 miles over the last 14-months when it is rated at 282 miles.
Just adding: I went back to my Kia dealer a few days ago to pickup a cargo mat and cargo cover I ordered. While there I noticed they had four EV9s with five people looking at them, three of the four were driving Teslas. The EV9 is definitely getting attention from the buying public.
"Major hit"?? Will it outsell F 150 ?
23:50 I totally agree with that! Every 3 row suv should give you the option of how you want to spec the 2nd row. Nearly every one forces captain chairs on the top trims. As if they think captain chairs equals premium. Not everyone wants that though. Many people want/need the bench for people space but also want the top trim.
It depends on the market. In Europe, the six-seat interior is only an option for the top trim, and we also don't have any version with a small battery.
almost like the more money one has fewer children they have and a smaller family unit - that is my only guess why they make captain chairs only option for top trims in so many brands of vehicles including minivans!
@@gokarunaWhile in general this is true, I think Auto manufacturers forget that people/spouses/kids have friends. Effectively getting one extra seat more than a sedan is such a massive misuse of space.
I bet that this is market-driven. Sometimes, the edge cases really don’t matter in terms of revenue goals.
@@KentBuchla But it’s not an edge case to want/need a bench seat in a three row vehicle. I have two kids, if they invite a friend each from school that’s 5 of my 6 seats taken up including me. In-laws coming for the weekend? Half the seats gone.
Paying $20-$30k for effectively ONE extra seat and a bit of extra boot space over a sedan is asinine.
A big ol SUV being fully electric is truly a monumental step toward electrifying the US (specifically the US)
Totally agree, but I do wish Kia released the EV5/EV3 (smaller SUV's) here, as I don't need a 3rd row. EV4 (sedan) would also be a welcome addition and it would give the Model 3 some competition.
Infrastructure is the limiting factor. Not more SUV EV/s Once Solid State batteries become a thing and 0-80 in 15 minutes with 20-100K charging cycles then people will start to adopt right now to many people hate the EV idea.
I wish 360-camera would be standard on all trims.. that's I feature I really like.
I definitely want to see the range test on more base units. I know manufacturers want to sell the expensive stuff BUT most of us would want to see what the most affordable options can do.
the infotainment has been improving and will keep improving. I remember when I first got my EV6, it was useless and no route planning. Now its getting decent. We getting charging status and all because You do need Kia Access subscription plan to get Nav features. It will tell you what % you will be on those each charging stops. So yea, you need to pay to get those RRoute Planning stuff to show up.
I’ll wait for NACS compatibility on my next EV regardless of brand
Why? NACS Supercharger adapters are supposed to start shipping this week from Lectron.
Makes sense and maybe 7500 or 3750.
@@brhutchi kia is already discounting these 3750.jist look at CarGurus and search these cars. They are below msrp
EV9 full infotainment review and route planing would be a great video!
consider charging every 200 miles is more realistic instead of stretching to 0%. But these tests are great which show what exactly can be achieved
Great job Jordan.
I’d be really happy with that,cheers fella 👍😉💪
The other issue is that I believe the rear wheel drive does not come with a heat pump. I would not buy an EV without a heat pump.
Well done Jordan….thanks.
Nice video! H, watched it all! How is the acceleration on the LLR? (My wife is interested in the EV9, but we can't afford the higher trims with the two motors.)
I would like to see your road trip race idea between the small and big battery.
I agree... Ive noticed that ABetterRoutePlanner shows the GT LR needing more charging time than the LR RWD (base model) but the GT shows a quicker overall travel time?? ABRP does not show assumed speeds as far as I can tell, but implies its optimal to go faster in the GT?? Cant wait to see if a real world test proves this out!
7:53 it sounded like Jordan said “trash control” 😂
You need trash control heading into Cheyenne.
That's good for being in the 40s. I would guess 300+ would be no problem when it's warmed up some.
Hey Jordan, When you did the turn around was that regen that slowed you down or brake. You seemed to come in fast and slow fast. There seemed to be a lot of road noise driving around the 30% SOC?
That is plenty of range especially if it has decent charging when the chargers work properly.
Please!!! Do this with a Cadillac Lyriq!
I think the wheels did most of that extra 15miles. Equipping the GT Line with those same wheels and results are the same.
Wish I could get massaging seats and other features with the long range single motor with small tires. I hate how it’s only on the most expensive one but has way less range.
Does it have RUclips or Netflix? How about Prime or Hulu? Looks Great.
You have to have an active bluelink subscription to get the percentage of SOC remaining at the end of trip.
Also, of the HDA icons, the one on the right side that looks like lane markings is the indicator for the auto lane changing system. When it’s green, it’s on and able to lane change automatically.
If the review of this car is any indication, I can't wait for the EV3 or EV5 when those arrive hopefully about a year from now.
Totally agree that they should support the bench seat or captain's chairs in the middle row in all trims. And if they're really listening, it'd be great to spec the heat pump in the lower trims as well (even if we have to pay extra). Those of us in colder climates who want to maximize space and range, getting the Light Long Range with a bench seat and heat pump would be perfect!
It never hurts to have more options, but i don't think there are alot of people who really "need" 7 seats. I think the captains chairs and amenities for the passengers is way more important than piling up people in the truck like a passenger van... I love the consistency you guys apply to all of your test, and i love the fact you pass thru a few states when you test. I need to find a channel that does more testing in the city and/or suburbs.
Does Light trim include blindspot monitoring? An indicator light in the mirror maybe?
Any updates on the rivian max pack situation
Adding sections to the video would be much appreciated for us who just want to watch parts of it! Thank you for the great content
"It feels like the interior of a Ford Maverick."
That is such a specific reference that I can also 100% understand. 😂The Maverick interior is... special.
Kyle what is going to happen when the batteries have a capacity of 200 Kwh, how long will they take to charge a vehicle, will you be able to charge from home, how will the current charging grid handle these vehicles, where will the power come on.
The standard spec differences between the US and the UK are bizarre. For starters you get 7 seat as standard on all specs and can only get 6 seat as an option on the top spec (there are only 3 specs and you can only get the big battery). The 6 seats don’t have the recliner function in the second row but they do rotate. You don’t get the lights in the bumper on any spec but you do get ambient lighting and motorised folding / raising 3rd row on every spec. You get more colours on the bottom spec. There is less difference bottom to top spec, In fact apart from design the key differences are heads up display and sunroofs on the top spec only and RWD on the bottom.
Based on your experiences, how much better would these do in peak summer instead of 40 degrees?
Not sure I would drop AWD for that range. Maybe the AWD is just that efficient. Funny how it was closer to the GT line in range.
For the test loop they put the vehicle in ECO mode, and I believe that makes the EV9 go RWD only. Isn't that what he was talking about with Kyle 'keeping the front motor off."
What’s the word on when NACS integration is happening?
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Freezing Temps is perfect weather?
Battery capacities are usually stated as a max capacity/usable capacity, I believe to keep owners from overcharging and wearing out the cells faster. So him charging to 100% means charging to the USABLE capacity, not the max capacity of the cells.
No heat pump probably reduced range by 10% vs gt line? I think they are struggling to sell these. Too expensive vs the telluride.
The Light Long Range doesn't have a heat pump so some of the efficiency you gain from rear wheel drive only and lighter weight goes out the window in cold temps.
The Kia system has a nice breakout of how much energy has been used for what (drive, climate, battery heating, electronics). Would have been interesting to know what %age of energy had gone into heating the cabin. Would assume something in the range of 15-20% (with a heat pump that would have been 3-5%)
In my mixed driving my gt line is getting 344 miles on full charge.
No surround view camera system is a deal breaker for my family.
Most of the nation get this white stuff called snow. All wheel drive in a must in these locations. We currently have a Tesla model Y performance. After his paid off, we will be purchasing an EV nine as I have been very Impressed with it.
RWD with snow tires is much better than AWD without. I've run a RWD ID.4 in Upstate NY with no issues, AWD really isn't worth the money for most people that stay home when it snows anyways. A RWD EV9 is on our radar as an around-town hauler in the next year. With winter tires it should be a beast all year round.
I have never heard that a rear wheel drive in the snow is better than all-wheel-drive. I’m 55 years old and this is the first time I’ve ever heard that statement you could be right I’m just not certain.
@@dougholmes6631 He's saying RWD with SNOW TIRES is better in the snow. And he's right. AWD helps you accelerate in poor traction conditions, but does nothing for braking or turning. Snow / Winter tires, with their special compounds, retain suppleness in the cold and the sipes and tread block design give them grip on ice and in snow. Even a RWD car is transformed by them.
Have y’all tried a 10-80% preconditioned charge at a Magic Dock?
The 400v converter limits you to 85kw, unfortunately
Is Colton having a look at this cuz the paint was full of swirls.
You have plenty of power left, MEB limited me to a 4-5 mph crawl with about +20 miles indicated range after starting at about 0 degrees C.
0:20: 🚗 Review of the Kia EV9 long range option, including a range test at 70 mph.
5:00: 🚗 Review of base Kia EV9 model with longest range option, including highway range test.
9:31: 🚗 Highway range test of a base Kia EV9 with longest range option using OBD scanner app.
14:09: 🚗 Review of a base Kia EV9 model with long range option and highway range test.
19:12: 🚗 Impressive features, responsive software, and accurate range estimation during highway test.
24:22: 🚗 Comparison of range potential between different car models, considering factors like motor type and weather impact.
29:14: 🚗 Review of Kia EV9 features including phone as a key, start/stop button, and infotainment system exploration.
34:39: 🚗 Discussion of the potential range of the Kia EV9 on a highway road trip.
39:55: 🚗 The Kia EV9 performed well in a long-range highway test, covering 277.50 miles with a 1.5% battery remaining.
Recap by Tammy AI
16:45 so, we are just about to crash!😂
Of all the 7-seat EV SUVs out there, this would be very low on the shopping list for me. Pricing is about all that it has going for it. You get what you pay for.
“We are just about to crash”-Jordan 😂😂😂😂😂
Which EV onboard software do you like the best (besides that of Tesla)?
What’s the OBD scanner you use for these tests?
I don’t get range anxiety, I do get charger anxiety. The cars are great, charging infrastructure is lacking right now.
Does the EV9 support V2L, would love to see a video from Out of Spec demonstrating it
Yes and vehicle to grid. In the UK you can buy low at night (sometimes get paid to charge) and sell back at a profit in the day.
Interesting. Would like see 100km/h (62mpg) test as in Canada that's the max speed on most of our hwys. Bet you would get over 300miles.🤔
Just a suggestion… Bring Ryan back for more range tests plz
Most phones can't do more than 30 watts for charging. 25 watts is fine.
As much as I would like to get rid of my 2023 3 rows PHEV, that provides over 400 miles, a 300 miles EV SUV won't do it for $60,000. On the days I work from the office, the round trip is at least 140 miles. During the winter days, I will have to charge the vehicle no less than 3 days a week.
I have questions about the BMW XM that was in the background at the start of the video? Is that a test vehicle and if not, who in their right minds would buy that car?
281miles if you continue to push the battery. The AWD did 15miles less. The AWD version would be my favorite. Great numbers overall. One of the best EVs out there.
280 miles out of a stripped down RWD model is actually pretty bad. All of the competition got over 320 miles WITH AWD.
@@chrisak49 In cold, almost winter temperatures? No. The Model X was tested in summer. And it costs more and has less space inside.
I know Kyle had to drive much slower to get back to the charger, so I bet if you were too mimic those same speeds at the end you could have gotten more range.
This is a demonstration of why a heat pump should be mandatory for all new EVs
Giving up AWD and the GT-Line features for 15 extra miles is not worth it...
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Your test is not targeted to me because I very rarely drive at 70 mph. I usually drive at 65 mph to keep my position in the right lane. It definitely makes my trips more enjoyable! I discovered this after commercially driving for 15 years.
Cant beat bolt ev with 4.5 mi/kwh😅
40:20
Hmmm, notice how the GOM consistently gave lower total miles throughout the journey (from the get to) (Miles driven + miles left kept falling at a consistent rate).
Until the end when it went the other way.
So:
1. Why can't the algo figure out after a while how many miles is actually driven per percent on this drive and adjust?
2. It is said all over the internet that the korean cars have non-linear soc scales, dropping fast at the end. Here it was the opposite.
Some mountain west between the cheek & gum.
And to think the Chevy Blazer is $65k+ without a frunk, glass roof, or 3rd row😂.
A little too 'Star Wars' looking for me. Truly not much of a difference, budget permitting go for the GT line.
Yawn...drop the price by $20K and maybe I'll begin to be interested.
you need to drive at 60mph to get that EPA RANGE
Really appreciate the reviews, but you need to put the damned camera down while driving. Mount the cameras and stop holding it.
EVs from the 2021 through 2023 model years encountered nearly 80 per cent more problems than did vehicles propelled by internal combustion
wow, physical buttons on a EV dash? This must be a very expensive EV, not like those cheaply build Teslas where peasants have to scroll through menus in order to do anything in order for Musk to save money by not having buttons in the car.
For the Price that's very disappointing range this vehicle is a poor man's Tesla
Yup if there was a rwd model x would have done 350miles :// and that came out a decade ago
2024 the resale value of that EV SUV will be $5000
None of these Kia EV9s are showing up in my neighborhood yet, but the Tesla's are having lots of babies.
I just really hope I don’t buy an ev that has been tested like this. That is so much stress on the expensive battery. Worse than running a gas car till it runs out of gas.
What will you waste your thinking on when the EV market goes belly up in 2024 ?
Towing capacity makes this a non starter for this size of SUV. 2000-5000lbs depending on trim is not good.
280 miles is awful especially for RWD stripped down model. Model X with AWD got 331 miles in this same test.
The model x costs $20,000 more.
Test was in summer + Model X costs more + Model X has way less space inside
Did you really compare this with a summer test? Oh boy, not long in the EV space I suppose?
@@GAmbrose same price after Kia dealer mark ups and Tesla $7500 credit. Idiot
20k price difference tho
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Honestly this car seems VERY overrated as a roadtripper. It is a good vehicle provided you have a long range roadtripper (ex/ Lexus TX550h+)
NOPE. As a Kia owner, it’s too much money for a Kia-no matter how big it is. Just had a recall experience at a dealer which confirmed yet again why I’ll never own another Kia and don’t use dealerships for maintenance.
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The motors are not efficient if it did 2.8 miles/kwh. Tesla is about 3.5 miles/kwh
Yeah but Elon is a pos. Keep your Tesla. Egmp is superior anyway.
100% not in cold temperatures of 45°F
Aerodynamics...
2.8m/kWh is really poor. It’s a big car but still really disappointed with 2.8.
Kia do not cease to disappoint lately, they were on the up, and then questionable region managers tactics, dealership shaky tactics and quality problems and then this which look nothing like the concept pictures which is way more higher, angular and more boxy. Bigger wheels as well.
Sigh, another family EV with not enough range. Most families I see that want an EV are buying a smaller cheaper vehicle for around town driving and then keeping the ICE 3 row vehicle for the long trips. Take that 280 miles and real world road tripping you are charging from 10%-15% to 80%-90%. That means you will only get about 196 (70%) to 224 (80%) miles or range. Throw kids, electronics, luggage and lots of climate and I am betting barely 200 miles on the highway. Not even 3 hours. These manufacturers got to figure out the range problem.
R1s with max pack battery can probably get 400 range, but that will cost over 100k? I have a r1t and ix, for road trip I get minivan from enterprise😂
Kia should contact you, the genius expert on EVs, so they can accurately publish the range of EV9. 🙄
I used to do 10 hours south of England to middle of Scotland non stop or one stop, to see my daughter. Now I stop twice and the car charges pretty quick. My wife much prefers this!
News flash… most kids get restless or have to use the bathroom long before 200 miles or 3 hours, and they take forever to take to the bathroom and eat too, so you get more than enough time to charge. My car is only rated for 272 miles, but on the first leg of the journey, starting from 100%, I have literally never made it down to 10% because my kids always need to stop before then.
@@GraysonCarrexactly! Who drives over three hours non stop?!? No one sane. And if you have kids, forget about it. There is no range problem. Once we have infrastructure…..
Kia do not cease to disappoint lately, they were on the up, and then questionable region managers tactics, dealership shaky tactics and quality problems and then this which look nothing like the concept pictures or even auto shows model(less nicer then concept pics) everyone was excited about. But damm this final product is nothing like them and way more ugly.
I'm not a fan of 100% to zero (or beyond) range tests. People should not drain the batteries like that, and you ask for trouble arriving at a charging station at zero SOC. Most people don't want to go below 10%. Range tests should be 100-10%. Also remember that these guys do their testing at 5000+ feet above sea level. The air is noticeably thinner.
Don’t watch then
How do you know how many miles you have left when SOC is 10%. More data is better.
Everyone does the test this way to see what the absolute max distance is.
You should not use it this way, go 80-20-80 for normal use.
If you get offended by it, then don’t watch the video.
They do it so we can get a "Base line" of range under those driving Metrics. Your 100-10% would not make any difference because you could have 4 people in the car with baggage (aka more weight) elevation could be more uphill, More wind, Colder or much hotter weather. driving slower or faster, Air density etc, There are so many combinations that can change a range figure. I like the base line to "zero" test or below so i know if in a pinch what the car will do (when new) and from there i can adjust that.
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