Damn I had no idea. Usually when you get a custom by a maker, they make it. Of course Italian dude is the one being shady. I agree with dude doing this video. I think if he is not the one making it, it should just be a microtech
Great discussion. For me if I go to the few basic ideas of collecting…it’s all really excessive. I don’t need most of the knives I collect. I enjoy and use them and they bring me joy I value that immensely at the moment. If financially or interest shift my perspective on my collection will change as well. So value is a fluid concept for me. As of this moment I own more knives than I ever have. Hope to keep em all but rarely is that a reality.
I agree with u 100% I own 3 different Stitches all different finishes and like you said I perfer quality over quantity Those knives are absolutely beautiful! I understand how u feel I bought a beautiful Lile bowie knife for a ton of $ after I ordered it I said to myself " did I just do that ?" But in the end it's whatever makes u happy 😊
I can’t justify getting the combat troodon with the hell hound blade maybe my wife will get it for me for Christmas or something but I got a standard ultratech 😅
I'm sry but I personally can't see the value in Marfione Custom knives. There's many other knives out there that I personally find to be much better looking and come in much better materials that costs much less. I can get 2 full dressed (black timascus handles with damasteel/damacore blades) Herman knives for the price of 1 Custom Marfione/Borka Stitch. Now, I could see $6k for a custom Stitch if it came with black timascus handles and a damasteel or damacore star grind blade. Not $6k for just frag milled titanium handles and a star ground mirrored M390 (actually not sure what steel is used) blade along with a DLC coating and 6 small tritium inserts. Don't get me wrong. I think all of the Marfione Customs I've seen are gorgeous, and I'd love to own one (preferably a Stitch), but I just can't see the high cost of them.
I hear that. That's why you see such a drop in price on the secondary dary market with them. The marf stitches don't pop up too often on secondary however
What I’ve learned in my 45 years of existence is that in the U.S.A marketing can be misleading. In China marketing is usually a direct lie when sold to the West. Unless the Chinese company is reputable then it is only misleading like most. I wish we had Global marketing honesty laws, but then we all would live in a less free society even though it is more honest. It seems like the debate of free will rests on the choice to be dishonest.
The finish on the scales is probably a surface grinder running around 120 grit...that's really the only way I would do it to keep the lines clean...a wire brush would wash out the lines...as far as blade finishes, I'm not sure if it's completely manual finishes like I do...maybe...would be nice to think so for the premium price tag
So if a custom is not made by the actual artist then what do they call a custom that is? Designer custom? I’m sure there has to be some out there actually made by him right? How would you even know the difference if he signs them all the same?! I’m glad you made this video I thought he made them personally..
@@edged_mindsetFrom some of the behind the scenes videos art Microtech, he does more than Les Baer does on his 1911s by doing odd jobs in the shop wherever it's needed, but he doesn't build one knife from start to finish. He might do prototypes, but not ones that are sold to customers.
After owning serveral Microtechs over the years I woudl say they had the same price to value raitio of Strider. That isn't a good thing. Their best feature in the old days was their precise machining. Any company that could do that was instantly A tier. The same sort of knife can be produced now for no more than 300 bucks. If you are a collector and enjoy looking at individual hand brush strokes on your American titanium then the value will be there. If you are a user who uses their knives and does not treat them as safe queens the value will NOT be there for you. Simple. Ever since the ZT 777 debarcle in the early 2010's I have given Microtech massive side eye. BTW those custom body scews always gave me the shits. If you have to buy proprietary bits to maintain your gear you are getting a bad bad deal. Not impressed at all.
I just started collecting about 3 years ago and in that short amount of time I have put together a nice collection of folders in my opinion. I'm fan of ZT knives. one of my grail knives is the 777 vanax and Damascus blade. I have only seen it once for sale and it was way out my league, and even if I could afford it at that time, it sold in a blink of an eye. But I was able to get the M390 version in the stonewash blade. I read about the ZT and Microtech beef a while back, one company says the other company ripped them off. I need to find that articular and read it again. What really was going on with that, if you don't mind me asking? I'm a fan of both so I want to hear this from an unbiased viewpoint. lol . This was like when I got my 1st ZT 0562 before I ever finally got my hands on an XM-18. I know this isn't the same thing going on with zt and microtech.
If you watch the video, released 3 years ago (2 years before this video), from Microtech's RUclips page they do not hide and give the information that the Marfione customs are not made by Tony himself
they didn't even clock the fasteners. really seams like they did the bare minimum and they left the 'going over the top' to the lowest bar of just colorful/shiny... not something worth 3x the price. at most it's worth the extra cost of polish and fasteners, not 3x.
It depends on what you plan on getting out of your product after you buy it. It also depends on when you buy the product. If you never carry the knife and only take it out to take photographs than it may retain most of its value. It also depends on what’s available in the market. Supply and demand have the most to do with whether or not your item is going to be worth more money than you paid for it. I believe the more customs that are made the less money they will be worth. It seems like these costumes are all over the place now. I think that drives the value down. There are other ones available somewhere else. The more that are made the lies important yours is at the end of the day. Is it truly a costume if everyone else owns one? I believe after so long it’s just day production with higher quality parts. Maybe? I believe Microtech manipulates the market. Otherwise we would have more halos available. What I mean is, why don’t they make them if they know they are in such high demand?
As for other Microtechs, Axial quality is at least, if not better than Mictotech. You pay a lot for a “brand”. This is changing rapidly in the OTF space.
That's hard to say but I will say 1300 is a great deal on one for bnib. Now if it's a more desirable blade like bowie or interceptor and finish like mirror it will be harder to find a one at that price and you would be closer to 1500.
@@edged_mindset Oh, I thought you had spent like 12 13 grand on them. Because I see them going for $3500 to $4500. And you said you paid full retail for a couple of them if I am not mistaken.
@@mosab643 The base model customs are 2k retail. If they have damascus blades or Inlays they are more. I paid full retail for two, and below for the third. So around 5k for all, but I have since sold them ND recouped that money. Fun to own for a bit
@XIUXIU1313 don't get me wrong tho marfione knifes are art pieces but if I were to buy one I'm not going to just admire its beauty and let it sit around knifes are meant to be used, they are going to be with me 24/7 as a secondary weapon.
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Damn I had no idea. Usually when you get a custom by a maker, they make it. Of course Italian dude is the one being shady. I agree with dude doing this video. I think if he is not the one making it, it should just be a microtech
Great discussion. For me if I go to the few basic ideas of collecting…it’s all really excessive. I don’t need most of the knives I collect. I enjoy and use them and they bring me joy I value that immensely at the moment. If financially or interest shift my perspective on my collection will change as well. So value is a fluid concept for me. As of this moment I own more knives than I ever have. Hope to keep em all but rarely is that a reality.
thats crazy, I had no idea. The fact that they're not even made by him makes the prices of them EVEN MORE INSULTING.
I agree with u 100% I own 3 different Stitches all different finishes and like you said I perfer quality over quantity Those knives are absolutely beautiful! I understand how u feel I bought a beautiful Lile bowie knife for a ton of $ after I ordered it I said to myself " did I just do that ?" But in the end it's whatever makes u happy 😊
Wow that is 3 gorgeous knives right there.
I can’t justify getting the combat troodon with the hell hound blade maybe my wife will get it for me for Christmas or something but I got a standard ultratech 😅
I'm sry but I personally can't see the value in Marfione Custom knives. There's many other knives out there that I personally find to be much better looking and come in much better materials that costs much less. I can get 2 full dressed (black timascus handles with damasteel/damacore blades) Herman knives for the price of 1 Custom Marfione/Borka Stitch. Now, I could see $6k for a custom Stitch if it came with black timascus handles and a damasteel or damacore star grind blade. Not $6k for just frag milled titanium handles and a star ground mirrored M390 (actually not sure what steel is used) blade along with a DLC coating and 6 small tritium inserts. Don't get me wrong. I think all of the Marfione Customs I've seen are gorgeous, and I'd love to own one (preferably a Stitch), but I just can't see the high cost of them.
I hear that. That's why you see such a drop in price on the secondary dary market with them. The marf stitches don't pop up too often on secondary however
What I’ve learned in my 45 years of existence is that in the U.S.A marketing can be misleading. In China marketing is usually a direct lie when sold to the West. Unless
the Chinese company is reputable then it is only misleading like most. I wish we had Global marketing honesty laws, but then we all would live in a less free society even though it is more honest. It seems like the debate of free will rests on the choice to be dishonest.
The finish on the scales is probably a surface grinder running around 120 grit...that's really the only way I would do it to keep the lines clean...a wire brush would wash out the lines...as far as blade finishes, I'm not sure if it's completely manual finishes like I do...maybe...would be nice to think so for the premium price tag
Great point!
So if a custom is not made by the actual artist then what do they call a custom that is? Designer custom? I’m sure there has to be some out there actually made by him right? How would you even know the difference if he signs them all the same?! I’m glad you made this video I thought he made them personally..
He does not make knives himself anymore that I am aware of.
@@edged_mindsetFrom some of the behind the scenes videos art Microtech, he does more than Les Baer does on his 1911s by doing odd jobs in the shop wherever it's needed, but he doesn't build one knife from start to finish. He might do prototypes, but not ones that are sold to customers.
After owning serveral Microtechs over the years I woudl say they had the same price to value raitio of Strider. That isn't a good thing. Their best feature in the old days was their precise machining. Any company that could do that was instantly A tier. The same sort of knife can be produced now for no more than 300 bucks. If you are a collector and enjoy looking at individual hand brush strokes on your American titanium then the value will be there. If you are a user who uses their knives and does not treat them as safe queens the value will NOT be there for you. Simple. Ever since the ZT 777 debarcle in the early 2010's I have given Microtech massive side eye. BTW those custom body scews always gave me the shits. If you have to buy proprietary bits to maintain your gear you are getting a bad bad deal. Not impressed at all.
Thank your for your comment and your well thought out response!
I just started collecting about 3 years ago and in that short amount of time I have put together a nice collection of folders in my opinion. I'm fan of ZT knives. one of my grail knives is the 777 vanax and Damascus blade. I have only seen it once for sale and it was way out my league, and even if I could afford it at that time, it sold in a blink of an eye. But I was able to get the M390 version in the stonewash blade. I read about the ZT and Microtech beef a while back, one company says the other company ripped them off. I need to find that articular and read it again. What really was going on with that, if you don't mind me asking? I'm a fan of both so I want to hear this from an unbiased viewpoint. lol .
This was like when I got my 1st ZT 0562 before I ever finally got my hands on an XM-18. I know this isn't the same thing going on with zt and microtech.
For what these cost I bought a deadlock for 1000.00
Agreed. I’d even put out more cash for the new all Ti Model C.
If you watch the video, released 3 years ago (2 years before this video), from Microtech's RUclips page they do not hide and give the information that the Marfione customs are not made by Tony himself
It looks like he does work along side the rest of the custom shop team though. I have seen recent vids of him grinding blades.
they didn't even clock the fasteners.
really seams like they did the bare minimum and they left the 'going over the top' to the lowest bar of just colorful/shiny... not something worth 3x the price.
at most it's worth the extra cost of polish and fasteners, not 3x.
It depends on what you plan on getting out of your product after you buy it. It also depends on when you buy the product. If you never carry the knife and only take it out to take photographs than it may retain most of its value. It also depends on what’s available in the market. Supply and demand have the most to do with whether or not your item is going to be worth more money than you paid for it. I believe the more customs that are made the less money they will be worth. It seems like these costumes are all over the place now. I think that drives the value down. There are other ones available somewhere else. The more that are made the lies important yours is at the end of the day. Is it truly a costume if everyone else owns one? I believe after so long it’s just day production with higher quality parts. Maybe? I believe Microtech manipulates the market. Otherwise we would have more halos available. What I mean is, why don’t they make them if they know they are in such high demand?
As for other Microtechs, Axial quality is at least, if not better than Mictotech. You pay a lot for a “brand”. This is changing rapidly in the OTF space.
Axial are ugly and boring.
Does this apply to the folders as well?
The folders have materials that align better with the prices IMO
Do the sliders on the Marfione Customs still tear up your thumbs?
yes
@@edged_mindset I'd pay them extra to delete that "feature."
What would be the maximum price that you would recommend spending on a marfione that retails for around 2 or 2.5k?
That's hard to say but I will say 1300 is a great deal on one for bnib. Now if it's a more desirable blade like bowie or interceptor and finish like mirror it will be harder to find a one at that price and you would be closer to 1500.
@@edged_mindset thx for response! Have a nice day!
@@andrew0138 you too!
How do I store an otf knife for years do I have to loosen the blade so somewhere against bounce so the blade or do I have to separate the spring?
No, there is no tension on the spring in the open or closed position.
How often does microtech release custom interceptor otf's? I wish I could find one at the end of the year for my bd, but it seems impossible lol
Maybe every 3 years
Meh, I can wait for it. Thank you for answering
A 4k hand built 1911 or a knife for the same price? Lemme think😂
In all seriousness they are worth it. I have a custom scarab 2 like yours just regular d/e and regrettably sold my custom CT
How the hell do you have three of them? Are you realty rich or something? Those are like worth a nice used car.
can you get a nice used car for 6k ?
@@edged_mindset Oh, I thought you had spent like 12 13 grand on them. Because I see them going for $3500 to $4500. And you said you paid full retail for a couple of them if I am not mistaken.
@@mosab643 The base model customs are 2k retail. If they have damascus blades or Inlays they are more. I paid full retail for two, and below for the third. So around 5k for all, but I have since sold them ND recouped that money. Fun to own for a bit
@@edged_mindset I don't know how you let those babies go though.
I wish you would babble so much and get on with the review
Okay. I will work on that
I thought you were done bro
I ain't ever done
Here's the deal, are the nice ? Sure! Do they justify the price tag? No! If you really want protection, save your 4000 dollars and buy a pistol !
Ain't nobody protecting themselves with these
@XIUXIU1313 well be my guest buy em and don't use em, either way they still don't justify the price tag.
@XIUXIU1313 don't get me wrong tho marfione knifes are art pieces but if I were to buy one I'm not going to just admire its beauty and let it sit around knifes are meant to be used, they are going to be with me 24/7 as a secondary weapon.
If you've got the money for these, you likely have other blades and guns. You don't buy a Ferrari as your only car.