It's not Green Day's fault. Everytime I perform at a festival with more than 30000 people, I have no idea what's going on on the main or other stage as we stay far away in backstage areas or sometimes even in a hotel not far. As for the organisation of the festival, they are not wrong or right, the just have to decide what to do with the police depending on different factors. On this case, it's a situation where you can't win anyway. Either way, somebody will be angry
Why did he shoot the dog? There's was no reason to shoot it, it was walking up to him slowly, if he was that scared he should've just went back over the fence immediately. That was cruel and unnecessary.
How about you don't jump the fence trespassing someone's property and then shooting someone's dog who was by the way, in the right place for absolutely no reason. Hell the jumping the fence part I can even understand but why couldn't he just jump back out instead of shooting the two dogs who were doing absolutely nothing wrong? I'm not against cops but trigger happy cops like these are just something else.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the video. Why not just jump back over the fence if you're afraid. Hell, why didn't he look over the fence to see two dogs in the yard?
Wow, that cop is certainly a coward and is not fit to possess a firearm; there is no excuse. If they aren't held accountable, our justice system is truly flawed.
Don't american cops have pepper-spray/mace anymore? Mace can stop a freaking bear. There was no reason to shoot the dogs. As you said, truly a cowardly thing to do!
Yes, they have an assortment of nonlethal weapons. Tasers, pepper spray/mace, and even clips that attach to the barrel of their handguns that dramatically lower the bullet velocity are all standard issue from where I'm from. I normally like to give the benefit of the doubt to police, but that video made my stomach turn. There was no cause for entry, the dogs weren't even threatening the officer, and he jumped straight to lethal force firing repeatedly. This officer was either never trained, or is so easily startled that he must be scared of his own shadow. Either way, I wouldn't feel safe with officers like this on patrol.
Hate to be *that person* but how many times have we had this argument for innocent murdered black bodies at the hands of cops? I'm glad the puppies survived, sincerely, but how many people, black/brown or otherwise, have never made it so far as to survive? This is a deep argument about the cowardice and power hunger of police in this country.
"Oh no I just hopped the fence into someone's backyard and their dog is wagging its tail at me, I guess I have to shoot it." Makes no sense to me at all.
And even if the dogs charged at him he has no right to shoot him since they were breaking a entering and had no permission to enter the house or less jump the fence
even tho its basic human knowledge to know that when a dog wags its tail its because its happy, NOT angry, one cannot assume the dog is dangerous just because of its breed. there is no excuse for this tragedy.
That dog was perfectly calm and in all probability going to check on an intruder to their home, that Police Officer was highly volatile and shot for no reason, literally none, he deserves at least suspension and to pay for the medical bills
idk maybe he was traumatized by dogs as a kid. It is not a visible reason doesn't mean it isn't. Altho that would 100% be his fault but you made a stupid argument and should be corrected
If you are in any way traumatised and can't handle a situation due to that, then you shouldn't be a police officer. If you're stressed or have depression or anxiety or anything else doing with your mental health, and you can't control yourself and stop yourself from pulling out your gun, you shouldn't be a police officer. Plain and simple.
Jonh Smith Even if he was traumatized as a child, he has no right to open gunfire on a calm animal, who was keeping it's distance and they entered without knocking effectively making them intruders to the dog yet it was peace, are you saying you trigger happy policemen are ok as long as they have reasons ( that you're imagining, without any real evidence) like trauma in childhood?
Everything he did was legal. Legally, when an alarm is set off (by a criminal or unintentional) officers will investigate (without needing to ring the doorbell). Legally (sadly but totally legal) shooting a threat is what officers are taught...even if the threat is a guy holding a wallet, guy on the ground with hands up, guy in a hood, or a dog doing what dogs do. It's all totally (and sadly) legal.
As someone who actually lives on Madrid i kinda understand why the organization acted like that. On 2012 we had an incident on which 5 girls died cause a similar music event on Halloween night was overcrowded. It shocked the entire country and caused organizers to improve security measures at this kinds of events. Did they do the right thing to ensure the attendees security by not canceling and evicting the whole event? Yes. Was it a douchebag move to not say anything to the artist or the crowd so they could offer a moment of respect for the deceased? Also yes
Quite honestly, I think Green Day has definitely done nothing wrong. They have always put the safety of the fans, security, and those helping backstage before anything. Even earlier this year, not too long ago, they cancelled a show because of possible safety issues that could have had potential danger to the audience. They obviously did not know that this occurred or else they wouldn't have gone off stage. If slight possible injuries cancelled a show, why wouldn't a death? They aren't monsters, they're human.
Indeed, even if they did know, if they addressed it, held a minute of silence and paid their respect and condolences to the dead and his family it would have been alright.
That man who shot the dog was disgusting. He was just walking up to him like "Oh hey, never seen you before, let's see if he's nice...?" and then the police officer just opened fire for no reason! And he didn't even check if there WAS an intruder in the house, he just hopped the fence. That dog could've been killed, and to shoot the poor thing was completely unjustified! He should be fired, pay the medical bills, and apologize. What a terrible person and cop.
Max Maggio well bc you can clearly see the dogs tail wagging and his trigger happy ass had more than enough time to sprint back to the fence and climb over. If that were my dog that got shot lord knows I'd be in jail right now for beating that mans ass.
Naked Baby Productions It pisses me off so much because the dog WAS WAGGING HIS TAIL AND THE DOG BARELY APPROACHED THE FUCKING OFFICER, THE OFFICER HAD NO RIGHT TO SHOOT THAT POOR DOG! I can only imagine the pain those innocent dogs went through.
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IF YOU CAN'T TELL WHEN A HUMAN OR ANIMAL IS AN ACTUAL THREAT, YOU SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN A GUN AND THAT OFFICER NEEDS TO PAY FOR THOSE DOGS MEDICAL EXPENSES IF THE GOFUNDME DOESN'T COVER IT ALL. Why the FUCK aren't cops actually fucking trained???
As someone who lived in China for an extended period of time (and happens to be a homosexual): those in China who want to see this content will absolutely find a way (VPN) and will remain relatively unaffected by it. Chinese citizens distance themselves from their governments actions constantly, this new "ban" will not be any different. I wish everyone could visit China to see what life is really like there, it's nothing like western media makes it out to be.
A friend of mine who lived there always says the same thing. And I mean, props to the Chinese people, but it's still inherently wrong from the government and isn't excused by the populace not all going with it. I agree Western media tends to over dramatize stuff in Chinese / Russian's governments, but they make it really hard not to sometimes...
CoqPwner I mean of course it's not right for the Chinese government to view homosexuality in this way, but phils point about 20% of the world being cut off from it is just totally not accurate at all. (I also lived in a very liberal city, so I acknowledge that people in the north of China can be uneducated about a lot of social issues and my experience does not necessarily reflect everyone else's)
I actually did visit China. I was pleasantly surprised to hear that the majority of the young people got around the censorship. I remember that around the time of my visit they had just banned The Big Bang Theory and many were upset because it was a really popular show there but my local friend said it just means he'll have to use sketchier websites to watch it now.
melojordans23 I lived in China proper, I did visit Hong Kong a few times, I agree they're pretty different. I actually liked my city in China more than HK
I've always been a huge Green Day fan and I have tickets to see them in September. That taken into accout, I've been following the band for years and it's clear to see how much love they have for their fans/audience. I obviously don't know the band on a personal level, but from all of the interviews, live performances, ect. they care so much about people and their community. Green Day would have no reason to lie about anything. I believe that are telling the truth and handled the situation the best they possibly could.
Sidney Smith yeah I agree celebs really don't have any control over their shows which sounds so dumb but it's true i've been back stage before and it is insane how little control they have and how little they actually know
Animals like dogs are inherently curious, just because the animal was walking up to you does not mean you have any right to shoot it in the face. Secondly, standard procedure for a call like that is to drive to the residence, knock on the door, make your presence known, and if you hear screaming, shooting, shouting, glass breaking, etc. then and only then are you allowed to make entry
Even someone like me who really does not have a tone of knowledge about animals and how they act can tell that the dog was not threatening at all. The biggest problem that led to such is the ignoring of procedures, they're there for a reason.. Thankfully things didn't become as bad as they possibly could in such a situation. Sad the dogs got hurt, but glad they'll live and be able to get the needed care.
I love Facebook law scholars. No, you don't have to hear "breaking glass" etc.. Probable cause is all that is required, something I have not liked since I came of age....because that could be literally ANYTHING. They could say they THOUGHT they heard something (thus the TV cop trope "Didn't you just hear a woman scream?" before they slyly smile and kick open the door), they could say someone told them they hadn't seen you for weeks and they were doing a welfare checkup. It could be literally ANY reason, and you better bet your ass that the cop is covered and if you fight back, you're either going to die or end up in prison. Welcome to the police state that a DEMOCRAT set up DECADES ago. Secondly, cops are not bound by law to play Russian Roulette with your pets. Sorry. If the dog comes at the officer in a manner THEY take as aggressive, your pet's getting shot. This ridiculous standard the public has for law enforcement gets dumber everyday. First, it's "cops should have to wait until the gun is pointed at their face to draw their weapons!"......or, you could just not reach behind you/in your pockets when told repeatedly not to and you could teach your children to act as though EVERY gun is lethal and EVERY gun is loaded.....you know....common fucking sense. Now, it's "The cop should have to wait until my dog has his jugular vein halfway out of his neck to shoot my dog!", as if your mutt's life is more important to everyone else than a human being. Again, it's a shitty thing that happened here, and I wouldn't have dealt with it in that manner, but the cop was well within his rights to pop the dog. Period. I know people don't want to hear that, but THAT is reality, not your pseudo intellectual rantings about "the law" that have no basis in reality.
I'm so sick of rogue cops. this son of a bitch hopped a fenced in backyard and shot their animals. the fuck? And I'm disgusted at the people justifying this. my brother was SWAT. how bout pound on the front door and identify yourself as a police officer. problem solved. that cop needs to be fired. he clearly is trigger happy and doesn't care to follow police procedure. cuz what if the homeowner sees someone in the backyard and grabs his gun and the cop shoots him? a lot of these cops are just not psychologically sane enough to be on the force.
While the Mad Cool story was a little fucked up, but I agree with them. I've heard horror stories about mass exodus from concerts and people being trampled to death. Large groups of people, when under pressure, can cause tragedy, even if there is not intention of doing so.
Im from the Minneapolis area, local news is reporting this officer is still on duty. Not only were these dogs friendly they were service dogs for the families children as their child suffered from frequent seizures. The fact that an officer who can become so frightened by a dog wagging its tail that he will discharge his weapon and shoot the animals is still on duty and not suspended is ridiculous, If that makes him discharge his weapon what happens when he handles a human who isnt compliant?
Spaz2086 not a stretch at all, people who can harm animals show psycopathic signs. Psycopaths can easily hurt humans as they can disconnect emotions and have no empathy.
I dont think Green Day was in the wrong at all. They had no reason to believe anything was out of the ordinary. The coordinators or security of the festival probably would have received backlash if they HAD cancelled the festival as well. They had to make a choice. While it may have been in poor taste to continue with the festival, I don't think its necessary to be lashing out at the band or the security. Now is a time for sorrow, not anger.
samistrying Frankly, if so many people were supposedly disgusted, why didn't everyone leave? No, they CHOSE to stay. Clearly, people still wanted the concert. Also, give the band some credit. Clearly had they seen what happened, it would only be reasonable to say something about it. Instead of thinking "Hm, maybe they weren't made aware of it", people were quick to jump to the conclusion, "They're heartless monsters who OF COURSE knew a man died and they said nothing about it and continued to perform! I hate Green Day now!" Fuck, people, could you use that thing in your skull once in a while, please?
also.... there is the phrase "the show must go on".... like did the coordinators probably didn't know how severe the injuries were. plus i think telling 40 - 45,000 people that the show is cancelled would probably go south real quick
Neither Mad Cool nor Green Day are in the wrong. If Green Day really didn't know, they couldn't have done anything. And I agree with Mad Cool, letting out 45k people including 30k shocked people and 25k angry people would have just been stupid on a security level. The only people in the wrong are the people criticizing Mad Cool and or Green Day when they don't have all the information.
My issue with Mad Cool is they could have only canceled that stage. They could've taken a little more time to disperse the crowd to other stages. At the very least give the bands a heads up. Like "Hey, this is what's going down what do you want to do?" and leave it up to them to do a speech or NOT GO ON WITH "MAMA JUST KILLED A MAN"
Monseigneur, I agree that the safety reasoning is totally reasonable. Maybe I'm heartless, but I never really understood why events would totally cancel if a person died (unless it's the cause like a rollar coaster) because that always has the potential to cause chaos (unless it's a small event). And in a way it is a double tragedy that people are then denied the activity that caused them to turn out in the first place. (Yes, I'm aware that is not anywhere close to the same level as someone dying.) But I also totally agree with Sonya, in that Green Day should have been informed so that they could tastefully address the situation and create a respectful buffer between the death of a man and their music, along with being mindful of song choices.
I lived in Singapore for about 8 years, where they also censor homosexuality - if a movie showing in the cinema has a scene that is at all homosexual its taken out and usually we don't know cause its edited well, for example the whole bachelor party was taken out of wolf of wall street, and the maybe lesbian couple in finding dory was removed. The main thing is we just have no idea that anything is taken out, homosexuality is illegal in Singapore still and its infuriating especially cause protest or anything against the government is illegal, theres no pride theres a small picnic, and this year non-citizens were banned from attending. While we still have Facebook and youtube you can readily feel the rampant censorship and whats worse is a lot of Singaporeans don't even know it happens
Delays are just a part of a performers life. Green Day had absolutely no reason to think anything was seriously wrong and should take no blame whatsoever. Make the argument about the festival management, not the band.
I think that police officer shot those dogs just because they were pitbulls. Too many people believe that pitbulls are just aggressive and will attack at any moment, but they're usually very sweet and energetic dogs.
Mellow Adesoji how is there irony in her comment? She's right, I too, believe the police officers shot the dogs just because of it's breed. That police officer had no business jumping the fence to go behind the house when he could just as simply knock on the front door, ask what happened, and get out.
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Well of course the second dog is going be somewhat worrying towards the officer if he established a threat! He shot the accompanying dog! What do you expect a dog to do? Even so the second dog may have been running to catch up with the other, they do that out of excitement dogs are happy editable creatures, new people can be seen as great fun! On another point, his first action/"reaction" was to shoot a calm and friendly dog- that doesn't give him reason to use the argument of defence on the grounds of it causing a threat to the officer because that first dog was clearly not a threat itself to begin with.
My issue with the Lele Pons story is that, regardless of if she found out before or after the picture was posted that she couldn't donate her hair, she didn't comment on the situation until she was called out. Had she not been would she have kept quiet? I guess we'll never know, but the way this played out makes me think she would've let people go on believing.
Tomoblob Who cares. Whether or not she screwed up this time or not, sometimes people screw up. Something so trivial like this should be categorized under "move on".
I think the point I'm making is if you screw up, own up to it. Don't keep quiet and hope not to be called out. Subject may be trivial but the discussion could reach a larger conclusion. Not gonna lose any sleep over it, just thought it was worth commenting on :)
Disgusting about the dog shooting btw, that dog was CLEARLY in a happy state of mind so the police force need to start rejecting applications from those who are frightened of pets.
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In 1999 Owen Hart died during a WWF payperview, he had also fallen to his death performing a entrance from the stadiums rafters and falling. The show was held for 20-30 minutes with the camera pulled away from the scene as medics and staff quickly rushed Owen out of the building to the hospital. while viewers at home were very informed by announcer Jim Ross that the fall was not part of the show the audience was stunned and confused. The show continued I believe for the same reason that music festival claimed, to sway panic and give the good people the show they paid for. It was about a hour later that Jim Ross announced to the viewers at home Owen had passed away and only after the show was the audience informed. I don't have exact quotes from the wrestlers who performed after the fall but the Hart family was/is highly respected so I'm sure it was difficult to just go on with the show to ease the crowed. Slightly different than Green Days situation but keeping the crowds mind clear of the situation was a good call.
So, is NO ONE gonna talk about the fact, that after unjustifiably shooting those poor dogs, just hopped the fence and didn't even go inside to see if their was an intruder? You know, the REASON HE WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Ugh. Disgusting person.
Dogs are considered property. The policeman entered the backyard without a warrant. The officer drew his weapon with intent to destroy property which he was not allowed on. With that video I'm confident justice will be served. (Even with the history of policemen getting off scott free
No I can understand what Sarcastic Squash meant. Its painful to know your life is worth less than a dog's in the eyes of the law. I honestly wish people had the same amount of rage and emotion as they did when they heard a dog got shot by a cop when they hear an innocent black person is shot by a cop.
Shouldn't cops be held to a higher standard than regular citizens? They are given the responsibility to protect us, yet are all too often abusing their power without consequence. Why isn't the issue of cops being impervious to the law more of a poignant issue?
The police needs to have an independent body of control that's based on a tribunal made of independent, hidden peers that are randomly selected. They, should be judge, jury, and executioner. Oh, boy, after a few cut hands, i'm willing to bet that the police familia would go down hard.
of course green day was not in the wrong...i mean they weren't told about the incident there is no way they could have known...You can't really blame them on any grounds because they just didn't know...so the question that were they in the wrong is quite invalid
RosscoAW exactly he should have to pay those bills at the very least and should not have a gun if a friendly dog make him shoot what would any high stress situation do to him
brook didway we didn't see all that much in the video, at least in my city I know that the police department pays for any unjustifiable damage their officers cause, I think the case just has to be evaluated first...
i didn't know police were hiring people with next to no backbone and paranoia. :/ .that cop should be fired and be put in a mental hospital in all honesty. no sane human being sneaks and jumps over a fence and shoots a dog being playful...
I have paranoia and wouldn't shoot a dog! The issue here is the officer being stupid, and not knowing the difference between a dog being passive and happy and aggressive.
doggydog490 yeah and you wonder all there cop shootings are happening, this is basically how they all go down. "i don't know what to do, let me draw my gun and fire". drawing a gun should be the last resort. also if that was now the owners dogs and the robers for whatever reason dont you think it would be a good idea to use the most quiet form of subduction as possible in order to catch the actual purp
at least they are alive and the www.gofundme.com/43u375s is doing well almost 25K with 802 people those type of stories affects me the most because where I'm from we do have a law stating domestic animals are not consider like furniture but sentient beings with emotions but unfortunately we have some bad people that hurts people's dog because of the race issue with the pit bulls even if the dog in question is not and also police officer with easy on the trigger to shot and kill a none threatening dog. I am glad we have human beings that still has a heart and care for all living creatures. I would be tormented if something like that happen to my to girls just because people are afraid for no valid reason.
I agree with the authority's decision to continue the show, when they said that the crowds may rally up in disappointment that the festival was cancelled. 45,000 is a lot of people. Makes sense.
There was a concert with Metallica and Guns N Roses in the early 90's. James Hetfield almost got killed during the first song. Guns N Roses didn't go on and there was a riot and people died. I completely understand the concert people wanting Greenday to play.
It was in Montreal and Guns n Roses did actually go on. Duff and Slash once they heard the news about James and Metallica wanted to go on right away/early and play a long set (mentioned in their autobiographies) but Axl wasn't present at the venue. They actually started later than their slot time which was normal of Axl at that point in his career. They were 15 minutes in to their set when they decided to cancel the show due to technical difficulties. That's when the riot irrupted. So they did play, it just wasn't a long set and after not getting a full show by Metallica, the people were infuriated. That being said, I think the circumstances here are different so it may have produced a different outcome. Although James Hetfield was injured, according to Jason Newsted, the audience was calm about the situation. Its only after Axl was approximately an hour late and Guns only played 15 minutes of their set, that got people upset. I think if the show was cancelled due to a death they would be more respectful, like they were when Metallica initially left to the hospital.
I really wanted to see Phil talk about all the fires in British Columbia, Canada. There are currently over 150 forest fires burning. 14,000 people have been evacuated already and the entire province is on a warning for evacuation. Highway 97 has a road block south of the Cariboo. Idk, I thought it was big enough to warrant a mention by Phil but that might just be because I'm smack dab in the middle of it all so it seems more important to me than it is to an American.
Risa Lynn I think that is definitely horrifying sad and news worthy but I don't think it's anything against Phil. but his show is really about the conversation and there's not too much to argue about that. It still could have been mentioned and I'm not saying it's right but that may explain why.
Courtney Andrade I am not holding it against him or blaming him in any way. I know he has to pick and choose what he talks about very carefully and I understand that he doesn't have the time to talk about everything. It just something that hits so close to home for me so I'm a little more emotionally invested in the story. And who knows? He might talk about it sometime throughout the week as everything progresses. Even if it's just a 30 sec mention to inform people about it but if he doesn't I certainly won't hold it against him if he doesn't.
Risa Lynn to be fair such things are not abnormal for us. fires like this do happen alot and the fire season starting this early is not that unusual and considering our election didn't even make it into the show despite it being so unusual. I'm not really going to hold my breath.....or maybe I should considering the smoke.........
Oh please, Lele has been called out by so many people over the years, and they all say the same thing: all she cares about is her fame and popularity. She posted photos from the actual cut on her Instagram story, the hair was in a giant ball, not even cut in the way it needs to be for donation. She even at one point claimed they picked up scraps off the floor for donation, which doesn't happen. It's pretty obvious from all the evidence that keeps popping up that she cut her hair, then later decided to pretend she donated hair to gain popularity, and now that she's been caught, she can't even do the right thing and admit the truth.
SMH at all these highly uneducated policemen. How are you going to shoot a dog multiple times when it is obvious that it has no intention on attacking you. First off, the officer came into the proximity of the dogs, the dogs simply then waltzed over to see what is going on, and then to shoot them when you're not even supposed to be there. That's the equivalence of a robber who trespassed into your territory shooting you because you came up to him to investigate what is going on
Agreed im all for supporting cops that are doing their jobs, being a cop is difficult but that was a disgusting use of excessive force that dog was very clearly not being aggressive that cop has no business being a cop.
i really want a update to this story when it happens , things cant just die off like that ,"the vicious dog attacked the police officer and he was defending himself", and what happens next time when the officer is under stress with a human walking over to him to see whats up
Green Day was not at fault whatsoever. They were simply following instructions that were normal to them. The festival should have made them aware of what happened however. But I also think that stopping the whole festival would have been dangerous trying to get that amount of people out of one small place.
I don't think that Green Day was at fault they weren't informed about the incident at all before hand and so it's Mad Cool's fault for not informing them about the incident before hand and letting them continue the concert
As heartless as it may seem, not cancelling the show assured that 45K people didn't all head for the exit at the same time. It especially assured that 45K people weren't booing, throwing things, and getting aggressive. We were sure to see injuries, assaults, and possibly additional lives lost if such a commotion was started. Sucks, but it makes sense to keep things moving.
I definitely think the festival was wrong for not letting Green Day know why they had to wait to go on. How can Green Day expect to handle the situation correctly when they don't know the gravity of what the audience just saw?
I'm sick and tired of people using any story involving the lgbt community to comment on how we're impure and unnatural let's have an actual conversation like real people please.
there have been too many unfortunate events of cops being scared and firing a gun. cops need to have better training of what to do in stressful situations.
As an animal lover the story about the officer shooting this family's dogs really upset me. I wanted more of a reaction/opinion from you Phil, how is that officer not being charged or sued? Dogs, and pets in general, are usually treated like family, how could he do that when he shouldn't have jumped their fence in the first place?
I do not think "Trespassing" will hold because chances are they were responding to the alarm and if the message that the alarm was nothing did not reach them for whatever reason it won't hold.
If you look up the numbers, like 20 dogs a day get killed by American police. Most cases are like this, most courts let them off. Police are trained to be trigger happy, any time they feel threatened even slightly they shoot. Dog or person.
Gazi it's fucked up when a defenceless being gets killed regardless of what it is. Animals are generally treated as people too in most families. I know if someone shot my dog, I'd flip shit...
GABERBIT I don't necessarily disagree with you, but considering the story that was shown in the video and all the other similar stories of police being a tad overzealous with their guns, I'd say the "restraint" they get taught is not enough.
I think that's just an unfortunate situation for MadCool. I always come back to Tommy Lee Jones' quote from MIB... "A person is smart, people are dumb". so A PERSON could totally understand if he is told that the show is cancelled because someone just died here. But the same can't be guaranteed for a large crowd pissed off that they could not see Green Day on stage. I think they went for the safest route even though it sucks.
As a Brit I love that Phil used the phrase Tory, instead of Conservative MP. FYI its actually sort of an insult that non supporters of the party used that became common use. Its not remotely official. Tories were an old party so the joke is implying the conservatives are old fashioned.
The Conservatives was founded from the Tory Party, it's hardly an insult and plenty of Conservatives/supporters have used 'Tories'. Then again you don't see other partys getting referred to as Whigs but I suppose that's more complex than Tory -> Conserv
People need to stop criticizing bands and show organizers for continuing shows like that. When 45000 people are in the same place for the same thing and that thing gets cancelled, they riot every single time. Not everyone in that place is gonna know what happened or why. Drunken mob mentality takes over and then they start tearing the place and each other apart. Show organizers are well aware of this and make this decision every time in order to prevent possible further tragedies. Does it suck and feel insensitive? Yes. But it's absolutely necessary.
I agree with what you said, I agree with Green Day, and I agree with "Mad Cool", it's fucking tragic that this dude died, hugely, but telling 45000 people to fuck off? That's a riot waiting to happen, telling them what happened, also potentially a riot, telling Green Day would then suggest to them to stand down, riot, telling them and then requiring them to play on regardless, shames them. The people in the know did the best they could with what they had to deal with. respect.
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those officers should have to pay every single cent of those dogs medical bills. that officer had no right to be in that yard AND those dogs were CLEARLY not a threat. seriously anyone with a brain who knew the first things about dogs, you know LIKE A COP SHOULD, could see they were not a threat
The shooting the dogs story absolutly broke my heart. I'm literally sitting here finding myself in tears. That police man needs punishment for such a thoughtless, horrible thing.
Regarding the issue for the police officer shooting at the 2 dogs, it is disgusting to see someone shooting an innocent dog that was just waiving is tail playful. If he was afraid of the dog he should have just jump back the fence and get out or a better solution NOT TO GO IN THE BACKWARD if you can't what's in there. There is a front door for that!!!
GT QcNumber1 it should be protocol to make as much noise as possible if you're going to jump a fence.. jumping into anyone's property will most likely be met with a dog encounter. It's not rare for people to have dogs in their back yard smh
Not to mention it's illegal for an officer to start searching private property without a warrant. Another fine example of why I fear and distrust ALL police officers. I'm willing to bet literally anything this officer will face zero punishment.
There actually is protocol which he did not follow. The main rule when entering property is to "Make yourself known". Officers HAVE to announce their presence, otherwise they face possible litigation.
Green day sounds totally innocent, I blame Madcool for not organizing a better hand off, Im sure they were just trying to find the quickest/easiest way to make sure things run smoothly but I dont think it was handled well. I think it was disrespectful to the man who died
I understand that but there needs to be some kind of buffer. Greenday should have been given a heads up or else, some kind of a host should have been on stage in between performances to acknowledge what happened and explain that the show will go on
Jessica George You can't, that's the thing. If that information caused Green Day not to perform, same result; frenzy. Even a venue can't force performers if they don't want to. Not everyone in the crowd would have known or cared what happened, people possibly on drugs or intoxicated, a lot of unknown unstable variables, it's a riot waiting to happen. It was the safest move to keep everyone calm and protect he performers, staff, and crowd. The only reason people can talk about disrespectful mess now, is because the possibility of a rampant mob was avoided completely. You can't really deal with a situation like that until everyone is gone.
Jesus Christ pitbulls are not naturally aggressive. They are a nanny breed. They are big babies. I'm sick and tired of people bashing this beautiful breed. It's the owners that make them "AGRESSIVE" not the breed. I have a pitbull lab she's a toddler basically and sleeps and plays. Pitbulls are in the catergory just like Rottweilers and German Shepards as AGRESSIVE breeds and are even BANNED from cities and towns even apartments and homes which isn't correct at all. A little tipper can be more crazy and more mean than a big dog
I have a blue nose pitbull she's a sweetie and all she wants is pets and loves. And I love her. If someone hurt her I'd be heart broken. She grew up with my youngest son and she always lays with him and cuddles with him.
I don't think Green Day can be faulted, because the likelihood was that they were not informed of the incident. They have their schedule, they get into the mindset of performing, and go when told. As far as the festival continuing, it's unusual that they wouldn't inform the performers. Obviously the scene was upsetting, and those who wanted to leave probably did. But the performers could have turned it into a positive experience for those who remained instead of this PR bullshit.
Have to agree with Mad Cool, their decision prevented the risk of human health (large crowds of people are seriously scary) and whilst it may be unsavory it prevented financial damage. There was nothing else to be done for Pedro at that time. Greenday started with a Queen song so it seems appropriate to quote them here "The show must go on"
That cop better not get out of what he did with a petite fine or a slap on the wrist. He wasn't in any threat by any dog in that yard. The most dangerous person was that cop, would of hated to see what would of happened if someone walked into the yard if he would of shot them as well.
The police force needs to pay for the dog's medical care. (The money already donated could go to helping other dogs shot by the police for no damned reason.)
heres the great thing about america . If the people almost unanimously wish for a revolt it can be done however the majority of people are torn or disagree with each others so there would be minimal support . Personally I am indifferent on this whole dog - cop thing . Like it didnt seem to pose a threat in hindsight but thats 20/20 and in the cops position im sure he was scared and just overreacted . Its nothing to revolt over , the dogs are fine l
Regarding the Green Day/Mad Cool issue: there is a common saying in show business: The show must go on. I've continued shows after fellow cast members have broken a leg, been run to a hospital for stitches, and have performed myself despite food poisoning. It's considered part and parcel of being a professional performer. Even if Green Day knew about Pedro had been killed, I would have respected their decision to perform anyway, and I respect Mad Cool for following the ultimate rule of performance. The show must and did go on.
In all seriousness, that officer went into someone's garden after hopping the fence, shot two dogs who were shown not to be aggressive and then fled. Not only is that one of the most cowardly acts I've seen recorded, it's also a straight-up crime. Imagine if he went into someone's garden and shot a couple of people that got up and were investigating why a random stranger was in their garden, He'd be in jail for attempted murder. Doesn't deserve to be allowed to continue his job, deserves time in jail and to be looked at to try and figure why he was so quick to shoot.
House Resolution 257 and Senate Resolution 118 will ban free speech in our everyday lives, not just on RUclips. If these resolutions become bills, we will be subject to investigation and imprisonment through a new federally funded agency which will investigate anyone who is critical of Islam! Please report on this before it is too late. Please call your representative's DC offices to letr them know you won't allow Shariah law in the US!
Way to distract from the issues, Mo. As long as you make it about race, no police reform is ever going to happen. SJWs are a cancer. They only harm the people they think they are helping. Police abuse is about police culture, class and money, not melanin, you God damned fool.
OMFG, the police/city needs to pay for the medical care for those dogs. The body language of the dog on camera shows no aggression. That officer really needs training on how to interact with dogs.
Imagine this for a second: You're a police officer. You have been trained with dogs to use them and to know they can be dangerous. You get called to a home, where the alarm has tripped. You see a dog, a dangerous dog breed. Knowing that there could be someone equally as dangerous, You have to make a split second decision. You open fire for your safety. It's no different then shooting a man with a bb gun look alike. Sure there may not be any real lethal danger, but why take the chance when your life is at stake for doing your job.
Oh look, you know how to copy and paste the same comment over and over @SirThePickle. There is no scenario where that particular officer was in the right. Stop trying to justify it.
The fact that you state that the police officer trains with dogs disproves your point, because if he had trained with dogs he should know that that dog had no intention of attacking.
Hey Phil, my first time commenting, but been watching for a year now! I love ya man for two reasons, you stick to your principles and you cite you're sources!!! Let me tell you, that is rare these days. As a conservative who's sick of news sites on both sides of the the spectrum (I'm looking at you fox and CNN), it is refreshing to be able to turn on my RUclips app and watch an informed update on the state of our nation and the world. As for the China thing, this just seems like another reason why America, though flawed, is the greatest country in the world because we are the most free. Countries like Canada and Britain are outlawing things like insults and criticism (hatespeech). Before you peg me as some national exceptionalist, I realize that we are inferior in many categories, but it boggles my mind that people still don't realize that being able to say, print, worship, and carry what we want is truly truly great. Hopefully people like you Phil keep vocally defending these rights.
Hey, Phil, on the Lele story I honestly believe she's probably misinformed about donating her hair. My stepmom is a hairdresser and you'd be surprised how many hairdressers don't even know anything about donating except for the required length. And as a side note: Don't donate to Locks of Love because they take donations to make wigs that they make the families of children with cancer pay up to hundreds of dollars for the wigs. Wigs for Kids is a much better charity and has a better reputation.
Green day should not be scrutinized if they truly did not know. it was the responsibility of the event organisers to inform them, and they ultimately failed to do their job. Allowing the show to continue at all was a mistake, and very few people would be mad at the event for cancelling the event in this situation. How could they not see the potential bad press a mile off?
A former viner being FAKE??? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo shit.
a lot of companies now take color treated hair! i'm a hairdresser and have sent hair out thats been colored... also if anyone reads this and wants to donate please avoid locks of love, they charge the people that need the wigs. meh
Savvy Marion To me, it's still pretty clear that the hair in the photo wasn't what she cut because if you ever have seen any of her videos, she has scraggly, damaged hair, and the hair in that photo looked quite healthy. I think she's lying in any case.
Police officers, firefighters, doctors, etc. should not be hired if they're scared of every little incident. If you're a policeman who's scared of dogs, downgrade to a mall cop.
Chris Fodor What a bad fucking cop, sees a dog wag his tail sniffing stuff in the backyard and shoots him. Also you've clearly never owned a pet that you have actually loved
"Just a dog" that now needs "just $18,000+" for surgery. A dog isn't going to kill you. Its "just a dog" so why shoot it. Just fucking get out of their yard coward. Hope you don't own animals Chris.
honestly i dont see a problem with what green day did i understand it is completely possible that the convention didnt tell them about the incident but i dont think they should have had them go on that was a bit wrong
I'm more curious about how the audience behaved when Greed Day took the stage. Did they cheer and enjoy the music as if nothing bad happened, before complaining later? Or did they boo the shit out of them and Green Day just didn't care for some reason?
I actually agree with the decision to keep the festival going. I've been to a few rather small concerts, after which the audiences left NOT in a panic, and it was still absolute chaos. Something with that large of an audience ending suddenly is guaranteed to spread fear, which is almost invariably going to get people hurt or killed. It may seem silly, but keeping the festival going and letting it end as scheduled was the smart move.
Kibby 123 people saying they are are fucking morons. No way they could stop it. If anything it would be on the venue, not the artist. Even then its stupid to blame them
Thanks Phil for providing light on this subject. There has been a lot of stories coming out lately of cops shooting non-aggressive dogs on their own properties. Most of the times the dogs are killed.
if the cop was this trigger happy he would shoot a dog coming slowly at him looking to be pet. can you imagine what would have happened if he went inside and came across the older kid
How the hell does China think that 3 people can find all homosexuality-related content on the internet. Seriously, do they not understand how giant the internet is?
Darkfire Blast They already have a pretty good grip on Internet censorship, it's not a stretch of the imagination for them to introduce further restrictions.
The idea is for PLATFORMS to hire the three censors, this is as if RUclips, Vimeo, Twitter, Facebook ( I know these are banned in China) had to each hire three censors.
Luis Salazar I understand that but any platform can't have only 3 (no company will hire more if they don't have to) people control everything being posted from a website.
Hey Phil, at least one of the hair donation programs you linked is a FOR-PROFIT. I've donated my hair multiple times and I personally choose children with hair loss. It uses 100% of hair to make wigs for kids (and some adults) with cancer AND stuff like alopecia. They are awesome. They also take dyed hair and grey hair as long as there is not too much damage. So if Lele's hair isn't too damaged by the bleach, she could still donate to a great organization. Just my 2 cents.
Seriously, guys? We're getting upset at Green Day? If you think they're the type of people to be comfortable playing a show after the death of a fellow musician, I honestly don't know what to tell you. All this anger at them and the festival itself is distracting from the true tragedy: Pedro's death. How about we focus on what truly should garner our attention and sorrow rather than add to the emotional shit storm with hate and finger pointing?
ya....not really mad at them still preforming...... "the show must go on"......must be, a forgotten saying.... however..... fuck green day as a band..... they made 1 or 2 decent albums..... then went all 5 writes, 8 producers, 10 studios.....while talking shit about pop music.... they ARE pop music...
Green Day was not in the wrong in any way. it really sucks that it happened before they went on. but like billie joe stated they were just following instructions and didnt know the reason behind the delay
I completely agree, If you have ever been to one of these big concerts you realize that the bands are often herded around like sheep. Even if they did see the paramedics it wouldn't be that weird because people get hurt at these events a lot and the rule of thumb is to keep going. It is not typical for people to die in that manner but it is very likely from their perspective that everything was normal.
I feel like they could have asked what the problem was, but that doesn't make them at fault. They obviously see that kind of reaction often to a lot of smaller things and had no reason to suspect anything like that was the cause this time. I do think that the festival employee should have told them sooner about it though
THANK YOU SO MUCH for talking about the censorship bullshit going on in China. I grew up there and only recently moved elsewhere so its hard to find other people to relate to about it. Also, it's not quite so "out there" as most Americans think, because there are so many Asian-Americans who are/were affected and outraged by the censorship.
Happy Monday, you Beautiful Bastards! :) What do you think about today's stories? LET ME KNOW!
Philip DeFranco I love your face phil
I was waiting for the entire weekend for this.
Philip DeFranco china story is insane
Philip DeFranco still watching sorry
internet control is going crazy
It's not Green Day's fault. Everytime I perform at a festival with more than 30000 people, I have no idea what's going on on the main or other stage as we stay far away in backstage areas or sometimes even in a hotel not far.
As for the organisation of the festival, they are not wrong or right, the just have to decide what to do with the police depending on different factors. On this case, it's a situation where you can't win anyway. Either way, somebody will be angry
Kaysha nice to see some insight from another artist
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Why did he shoot the dog? There's was no reason to shoot it, it was walking up to him slowly, if he was that scared he should've just went back over the fence immediately. That was cruel and unnecessary.
You can put bombs in dogs. Still that was really stupid why should someone breaking in somewhere bring bomb dogs.
Fuck dogs that's why
F YOU Zoggy, you'll end the same you giant dumb ass.
He obviously didn't expect the homeowners to have security cameras. That Murderer.
How about you don't jump the fence trespassing someone's property and then shooting someone's dog who was by the way, in the right place for absolutely no reason. Hell the jumping the fence part I can even understand but why couldn't he just jump back out instead of shooting the two dogs who were doing absolutely nothing wrong? I'm not against cops but trigger happy cops like these are just something else.
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the video. Why not just jump back over the fence if you're afraid. Hell, why didn't he look over the fence to see two dogs in the yard?
Not keller Pretty much...but first you gotta just not have police.. you dont get em and then tell how to do.
The officer should've been charged for idiocy.
Fuck those pigs.
Not keller I don't hate cops, but stuff like this is obviously why people hate cops.
Wow, that cop is certainly a coward and is not fit to possess a firearm; there is no excuse. If they aren't held accountable, our justice system is truly flawed.
Nick Pigott should be no different than if I jumped my neighbors back wall and shot his dogs with my gun. no different.
Don't american cops have pepper-spray/mace anymore? Mace can stop a freaking bear. There was no reason to shoot the dogs. As you said, truly a cowardly thing to do!
Yes, they have an assortment of nonlethal weapons. Tasers, pepper spray/mace, and even clips that attach to the barrel of their handguns that dramatically lower the bullet velocity are all standard issue from where I'm from. I normally like to give the benefit of the doubt to police, but that video made my stomach turn. There was no cause for entry, the dogs weren't even threatening the officer, and he jumped straight to lethal force firing repeatedly. This officer was either never trained, or is so easily startled that he must be scared of his own shadow. Either way, I wouldn't feel safe with officers like this on patrol.
Nick Pigott dude whether they are held accountable or not in this instance, the law system is already hugely flawed
Hate to be *that person* but how many times have we had this argument for innocent murdered black bodies at the hands of cops? I'm glad the puppies survived, sincerely, but how many people, black/brown or otherwise, have never made it so far as to survive? This is a deep argument about the cowardice and power hunger of police in this country.
"Oh no I just hopped the fence into someone's backyard and their dog is wagging its tail at me, I guess I have to shoot it."
Makes no sense to me at all.
Brynley Louise Police seem to be very jumpy and paranoid these days. It's pretty reckless.
Brynley Louise seems like the kind of cop to shoot a black kid for looking suspicious, trigger happy pussy of a cop
Trespassing is bad enough
And even if the dogs charged at him he has no right to shoot him since they were breaking a entering and had no permission to enter the house or less jump the fence
even tho its basic human knowledge to know that when a dog wags its tail its because its happy, NOT angry, one cannot assume the dog is dangerous just because of its breed.
there is no excuse for this tragedy.
Are dogs guilty of being dogs now?
Woof.
That dog was perfectly calm and in all probability going to check on an intruder to their home, that Police Officer was highly volatile and shot for no reason, literally none, he deserves at least suspension and to pay for the medical bills
ill be ok if he was fired from his job AND payed medical bills plus some.
idk maybe he was traumatized by dogs as a kid. It is not a visible reason doesn't mean it isn't. Altho that would 100% be his fault but you made a stupid argument and should be corrected
If you are in any way traumatised and can't handle a situation due to that, then you shouldn't be a police officer. If you're stressed or have depression or anxiety or anything else doing with your mental health, and you can't control yourself and stop yourself from pulling out your gun, you shouldn't be a police officer. Plain and simple.
Jonh Smith Even if he was traumatized as a child, he has no right to open gunfire on a calm animal, who was keeping it's distance and they entered without knocking effectively making them intruders to the dog yet it was peace, are you saying you trigger happy policemen are ok as long as they have reasons ( that you're imagining, without any real evidence) like trauma in childhood?
Everything he did was legal. Legally, when an alarm is set off (by a criminal or unintentional) officers will investigate (without needing to ring the doorbell). Legally (sadly but totally legal) shooting a threat is what officers are taught...even if the threat is a guy holding a wallet, guy on the ground with hands up, guy in a hood, or a dog doing what dogs do.
It's all totally (and sadly) legal.
As someone who actually lives on Madrid i kinda understand why the organization acted like that. On 2012 we had an incident on which 5 girls died cause a similar music event on Halloween night was overcrowded. It shocked the entire country and caused organizers to improve security measures at this kinds of events. Did they do the right thing to ensure the attendees security by not canceling and evicting the whole event? Yes. Was it a douchebag move to not say anything to the artist or the crowd so they could offer a moment of respect for the deceased? Also yes
Quite honestly, I think Green Day has definitely done nothing wrong. They have always put the safety of the fans, security, and those helping backstage before anything. Even earlier this year, not too long ago, they cancelled a show because of possible safety issues that could have had potential danger to the audience. They obviously did not know that this occurred or else they wouldn't have gone off stage. If slight possible injuries cancelled a show, why wouldn't a death? They aren't monsters, they're human.
Indeed, even if they did know, if they addressed it, held a minute of silence and paid their respect and condolences to the dead and his family it would have been alright.
That man who shot the dog was disgusting. He was just walking up to him like "Oh hey, never seen you before, let's see if he's nice...?" and then the police officer just opened fire for no reason! And he didn't even check if there WAS an intruder in the house, he just hopped the fence. That dog could've been killed, and to shoot the poor thing was completely unjustified!
He should be fired, pay the medical bills, and apologize. What a terrible person and cop.
Max Maggio well bc you can clearly see the dogs tail wagging and his trigger happy ass had more than enough time to sprint back to the fence and climb over. If that were my dog that got shot lord knows I'd be in jail right now for beating that mans ass.
Cole Beane I would too. He's a terrible person. This dog literally just walked up to him and got shot.
That's what POC had to live everyday
Naked Baby Productions It pisses me off so much because the dog WAS WAGGING HIS TAIL AND THE DOG BARELY APPROACHED THE FUCKING OFFICER, THE OFFICER HAD NO RIGHT TO SHOOT THAT POOR DOG! I can only imagine the pain those innocent dogs went through.
That man wouldn't be alive if those were my dogs tbh
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IF YOU CAN'T TELL WHEN A HUMAN OR ANIMAL IS AN ACTUAL THREAT, YOU SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN A GUN AND THAT OFFICER NEEDS TO PAY FOR THOSE DOGS MEDICAL EXPENSES IF THE GOFUNDME DOESN'T COVER IT ALL. Why the FUCK aren't cops actually fucking trained???
They're trained, I just think they need to go to therapy cause of they probably feel threatened all the time.
compared to the training cops have to go through in some European countries , American cops get like no training it all. It is sickening.
As someone who lived in China for an extended period of time (and happens to be a homosexual): those in China who want to see this content will absolutely find a way (VPN) and will remain relatively unaffected by it. Chinese citizens distance themselves from their governments actions constantly, this new "ban" will not be any different. I wish everyone could visit China to see what life is really like there, it's nothing like western media makes it out to be.
A friend of mine who lived there always says the same thing. And I mean, props to the Chinese people, but it's still inherently wrong from the government and isn't excused by the populace not all going with it. I agree Western media tends to over dramatize stuff in Chinese / Russian's governments, but they make it really hard not to sometimes...
CoqPwner I mean of course it's not right for the Chinese government to view homosexuality in this way, but phils point about 20% of the world being cut off from it is just totally not accurate at all. (I also lived in a very liberal city, so I acknowledge that people in the north of China can be uneducated about a lot of social issues and my experience does not necessarily reflect everyone else's)
I actually did visit China. I was pleasantly surprised to hear that the majority of the young people got around the censorship. I remember that around the time of my visit they had just banned The Big Bang Theory and many were upset because it was a really popular show there but my local friend said it just means he'll have to use sketchier websites to watch it now.
kayleighisacat we talking china or Hong Kong which is vastly different
melojordans23 I lived in China proper, I did visit Hong Kong a few times, I agree they're pretty different. I actually liked my city in China more than HK
I've always been a huge Green Day fan and I have tickets to see them in September. That taken into accout, I've been following the band for years and it's clear to see how much love they have for their fans/audience. I obviously don't know the band on a personal level, but from all of the interviews, live performances, ect. they care so much about people and their community. Green Day would have no reason to lie about anything. I believe that are telling the truth and handled the situation the best they possibly could.
Sidney Smith I have tickets to see them in September too. I don't think they new about the man's death.
do you have an extra ticket
BoneM If I did it would be all yours man
ayy i have tickets in september!
Sidney Smith yeah I agree celebs really don't have any control over their shows which sounds so dumb but it's true i've been back stage before and it is insane how little control they have and how little they actually know
Animals like dogs are inherently curious, just because the animal was walking up to you does not mean you have any right to shoot it in the face. Secondly, standard procedure for a call like that is to drive to the residence, knock on the door, make your presence known, and if you hear screaming, shooting, shouting, glass breaking, etc. then and only then are you allowed to make entry
nolan welfl Fucking thank you. I still see stupid people commenting that the dogs were pit bulls and we're already dangerous to begin with.
Even someone like me who really does not have a tone of knowledge about animals and how they act can tell that the dog was not threatening at all. The biggest problem that led to such is the ignoring of procedures, they're there for a reason.. Thankfully things didn't become as bad as they possibly could in such a situation. Sad the dogs got hurt, but glad they'll live and be able to get the needed care.
The first dog had no intention of hurting the guy. You can even see that it briefly lost focus before approaching him. Smh poor pooches.
I love Facebook law scholars. No, you don't have to hear "breaking glass" etc.. Probable cause is all that is required, something I have not liked since I came of age....because that could be literally ANYTHING. They could say they THOUGHT they heard something (thus the TV cop trope "Didn't you just hear a woman scream?" before they slyly smile and kick open the door), they could say someone told them they hadn't seen you for weeks and they were doing a welfare checkup. It could be literally ANY reason, and you better bet your ass that the cop is covered and if you fight back, you're either going to die or end up in prison. Welcome to the police state that a DEMOCRAT set up DECADES ago.
Secondly, cops are not bound by law to play Russian Roulette with your pets. Sorry. If the dog comes at the officer in a manner THEY take as aggressive, your pet's getting shot. This ridiculous standard the public has for law enforcement gets dumber everyday. First, it's "cops should have to wait until the gun is pointed at their face to draw their weapons!"......or, you could just not reach behind you/in your pockets when told repeatedly not to and you could teach your children to act as though EVERY gun is lethal and EVERY gun is loaded.....you know....common fucking sense. Now, it's "The cop should have to wait until my dog has his jugular vein halfway out of his neck to shoot my dog!", as if your mutt's life is more important to everyone else than a human being. Again, it's a shitty thing that happened here, and I wouldn't have dealt with it in that manner, but the cop was well within his rights to pop the dog. Period. I know people don't want to hear that, but THAT is reality, not your pseudo intellectual rantings about "the law" that have no basis in reality.
I'm so sick of rogue cops. this son of a bitch hopped a fenced in backyard and shot their animals. the fuck? And I'm disgusted at the people justifying this. my brother was SWAT. how bout pound on the front door and identify yourself as a police officer. problem solved. that cop needs to be fired. he clearly is trigger happy and doesn't care to follow police procedure. cuz what if the homeowner sees someone in the backyard and grabs his gun and the cop shoots him? a lot of these cops are just not psychologically sane enough to be on the force.
While the Mad Cool story was a little fucked up, but I agree with them. I've heard horror stories about mass exodus from concerts and people being trampled to death. Large groups of people, when under pressure, can cause tragedy, even if there is not intention of doing so.
Fire the cops, pay the vet bills, apologise. Only route for police to maybe get some respect back.
Im from the Minneapolis area, local news is reporting this officer is still on duty. Not only were these dogs friendly they were service dogs for the families children as their child suffered from frequent seizures. The fact that an officer who can become so frightened by a dog wagging its tail that he will discharge his weapon and shoot the animals is still on duty and not suspended is ridiculous, If that makes him discharge his weapon what happens when he handles a human who isnt compliant?
Source is from the local Fox9 news affiliate and Star Tribune
Andrew Biernat Seems like there needs to be training reform on all fronts
Not saying you're wrong about the suspension but insinuating that because he shot an animal he would shoot a human is a stretch.
Spaz2086 a dog wagging its tail scared him to the point he shot it... he is too jumpy to be trusted with a gun
Spaz2086 not a stretch at all, people who can harm animals show psycopathic signs. Psycopaths can easily hurt humans as they can disconnect emotions and have no empathy.
so no game of thones for china then...
Barba lmao
why do you think its the most pirated show ever?
chinese torrenters.
Barba that was literally the first thing i thought when he mentioned that lmao
Tripple banned!
Well it's over now anyway
That Lele thing is such a weird thing to lie about...
Giant Douche she a fake, watch Amanda Cerny video about her
Virtue signaling gone wrong
+TN I remember jessi smiles also talking about her in a video, sounds like she just wants fame
yall need a fuckin life. potentially fake shit news when REAL world problems are everywere...about as reliable for information as CNN lmfao
Kiera Sands wth really? Wow
I dont think Green Day was in the wrong at all. They had no reason to believe anything was out of the ordinary. The coordinators or security of the festival probably would have received backlash if they HAD cancelled the festival as well. They had to make a choice. While it may have been in poor taste to continue with the festival, I don't think its necessary to be lashing out at the band or the security. Now is a time for sorrow, not anger.
samistrying Frankly, if so many people were supposedly disgusted, why didn't everyone leave? No, they CHOSE to stay. Clearly, people still wanted the concert. Also, give the band some credit. Clearly had they seen what happened, it would only be reasonable to say something about it. Instead of thinking "Hm, maybe they weren't made aware of it", people were quick to jump to the conclusion, "They're heartless monsters who OF COURSE knew a man died and they said nothing about it and continued to perform! I hate Green Day now!"
Fuck, people, could you use that thing in your skull once in a while, please?
also.... there is the phrase "the show must go on".... like did the coordinators probably didn't know how severe the injuries were. plus i think telling 40 - 45,000 people that the show is cancelled would probably go south real quick
Neither Mad Cool nor Green Day are in the wrong. If Green Day really didn't know, they couldn't have done anything. And I agree with Mad Cool, letting out 45k people including 30k shocked people and 25k angry people would have just been stupid on a security level. The only people in the wrong are the people criticizing Mad Cool and or Green Day when they don't have all the information.
Monseigneur RektibouCaribou very much agreed. i was there when it happened but never saw it happened. probaly bc how many people were there
the people who were wrong are the ones who saw the man die then stayed for a concert
brandy w. bruv it is a music fest. there are so many people and it was also said that the medics said he was in critical condition and not dead
My issue with Mad Cool is they could have only canceled that stage. They could've taken a little more time to disperse the crowd to other stages. At the very least give the bands a heads up. Like "Hey, this is what's going down what do you want to do?" and leave it up to them to do a speech or NOT GO ON WITH "MAMA JUST KILLED A MAN"
Monseigneur, I agree that the safety reasoning is totally reasonable. Maybe I'm heartless, but I never really understood why events would totally cancel if a person died (unless it's the cause like a rollar coaster) because that always has the potential to cause chaos (unless it's a small event). And in a way it is a double tragedy that people are then denied the activity that caused them to turn out in the first place. (Yes, I'm aware that is not anywhere close to the same level as someone dying.)
But I also totally agree with Sonya, in that Green Day should have been informed so that they could tastefully address the situation and create a respectful buffer between the death of a man and their music, along with being mindful of song choices.
I lived in Singapore for about 8 years, where they also censor homosexuality - if a movie showing in the cinema has a scene that is at all homosexual its taken out and usually we don't know cause its edited well, for example the whole bachelor party was taken out of wolf of wall street, and the maybe lesbian couple in finding dory was removed. The main thing is we just have no idea that anything is taken out, homosexuality is illegal in Singapore still and its infuriating especially cause protest or anything against the government is illegal, theres no pride theres a small picnic, and this year non-citizens were banned from attending. While we still have Facebook and youtube you can readily feel the rampant censorship and whats worse is a lot of Singaporeans don't even know it happens
Delays are just a part of a performers life. Green Day had absolutely no reason to think anything was seriously wrong and should take no blame whatsoever.
Make the argument about the festival management, not the band.
I think that police officer shot those dogs just because they were pitbulls. Too many people believe that pitbulls are just aggressive and will attack at any moment, but they're usually very sweet and energetic dogs.
Magicalfuntime There is so much irony in this comment
Mellow Adesoji how is there irony in her comment? She's right, I too, believe the police officers shot the dogs just because of it's breed. That police officer had no business jumping the fence to go behind the house when he could just as simply knock on the front door, ask what happened, and get out.
Police officers go behind the house because you can run out of your back door genius.
I don't disagree that the policeman was trigger happy cuz pitbulls, but I have to point out that pitbulls have this reputation for a reason.
They look more like Staffies to me.
My wife (then girlfriend) started growing her hair for our wedding because she said she wanted options for hairstyles but it was about 5 years from our engagement till we got married. She ended up donating her hair after the wedding to make wigs for children with cancer. It's for reasons like that an a million more that I married her. :)
Omg you guys seems so cute together! Hope you guys live a very happy life together.
Well of course the second dog is going be somewhat worrying towards the officer if he established a threat! He shot the accompanying dog! What do you expect a dog to do? Even so the second dog may have been running to catch up with the other, they do that out of excitement dogs are happy editable creatures, new people can be seen as great fun!
On another point, his first action/"reaction" was to shoot a calm and friendly dog- that doesn't give him reason to use the argument of defence on the grounds of it causing a threat to the officer because that first dog was clearly not a threat itself to begin with.
My issue with the Lele Pons story is that, regardless of if she found out before or after the picture was posted that she couldn't donate her hair, she didn't comment on the situation until she was called out. Had she not been would she have kept quiet? I guess we'll never know, but the way this played out makes me think she would've let people go on believing.
Tomoblob Exactly, when she got exposed she responded, if she knew before she would've explained earlier.
Tomoblob Who cares. Whether or not she screwed up this time or not, sometimes people screw up. Something so trivial like this should be categorized under "move on".
I think the point I'm making is if you screw up, own up to it. Don't keep quiet and hope not to be called out. Subject may be trivial but the discussion could reach a larger conclusion. Not gonna lose any sleep over it, just thought it was worth commenting on :)
It's Lele,she's known for causing fake issues or faking something nice to make herself look better. But she's a dumbass so it always backfires.
Kelsey Bordeaux I'd honestly never heard of her, if this is the case it's hilarious, unfortunately doesn't seem to sent her following!
Disgusting about the dog shooting btw, that dog was CLEARLY in a happy state of mind so the police force need to start rejecting applications from those who are frightened of pets.
I can't understand why he would hop the fence, just knock on the front door
Not hating but am I the only one that doesn't get Lele's humor?
Vanessa Blanco ur not alone
Vanessa Blanco It's garbage
It is absolute shit
Vanessa Blanco she's the loud girl from every high school who thinks she and her friends are funny.
Can't understand why she has so many followers.
I just about a month ago cut my hair short and donated to a professional wig maker. When I first decided that I was going to donate it, I looked up all the necessary stuff, like 1. How much you have to cut (minimum) 2. What kind of hair they accept. And 3. If you should wash it or do something to it before turning the hair in.
It's different from wig maker to wig maker how long you have to cut minimum, but it's usually around 25 to 30 cm. I knew very clearly as stated from almost every wig maker I could find that they usually don't accept, bleached, dyed or coloured hair.
That was one of the first things that I found. So I think that she didn't look through all of the "instructions" before cutting and just did it without a second warning. Or she cut it at a hair dresser that didn't know.
(Sorry if my grammar is wrong, My first language is Swedish not English so...)
Good on Greenday for performing. The show must go on. I'm only disappointed that staff declined to inform the artist what had transpired.
In 1999 Owen Hart died during a WWF payperview, he had also fallen to his death performing a entrance from the stadiums rafters and falling. The show was held for 20-30 minutes with the camera pulled away from the scene as medics and staff quickly rushed Owen out of the building to the hospital. while viewers at home were very informed by announcer Jim Ross that the fall was not part of the show the audience was stunned and confused.
The show continued I believe for the same reason that music festival claimed, to sway panic and give the good people the show they paid for. It was about a hour later that Jim Ross announced to the viewers at home Owen had passed away and only after the show was the audience informed.
I don't have exact quotes from the wrestlers who performed after the fall but the Hart family was/is highly respected so I'm sure it was difficult to just go on with the show to ease the crowed.
Slightly different than Green Days situation but keeping the crowds mind clear of the situation was a good call.
i love wrestling so much
So, is NO ONE gonna talk about the fact, that after unjustifiably shooting those poor dogs, just hopped the fence and didn't even go inside to see if their was an intruder? You know, the REASON HE WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Ugh. Disgusting person.
Dogs are considered property. The policeman entered the backyard without a warrant. The officer drew his weapon with intent to destroy property which he was not allowed on. With that video I'm confident justice will be served. (Even with the history of policemen getting off scott free
William Dowling I want them to not get charged cuz if they get in trouble for shooting dogs but not for fucking killing people I'm gonna be so pissed
Sarcastic Squash that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
Sarcastic Squash what you want no justice for past lack of justice ???? That's some backwards logic
No I can understand what Sarcastic Squash meant. Its painful to know your life is worth less than a dog's in the eyes of the law. I honestly wish people had the same amount of rage and emotion as they did when they heard a dog got shot by a cop when they hear an innocent black person is shot by a cop.
William Dowling because America has a problem with placing the value of animal lives over black lives.
Shouldn't cops be held to a higher standard than regular citizens? They are given the responsibility to protect us, yet are all too often abusing their power without consequence. Why isn't the issue of cops being impervious to the law more of a poignant issue?
Crazelord91 I totally agree with you! police should have higher charges since they're supposed to protect us!
The police needs to have an independent body of control that's based on a tribunal made of independent, hidden peers that are randomly selected. They, should be judge, jury, and executioner. Oh, boy, after a few cut hands, i'm willing to bet that the police familia would go down hard.
Crazelord91
But then that requires new laws...
And that requires congress and petitions....
It could happen but would take a looonnng time.
Crazelord91 Because more than half of America's population hates capitalism and the police union period.
aserta but the police union is technically independent...
of course green day was not in the wrong...i mean they weren't told about the incident there is no way they could have known...You can't really blame them on any grounds because they just didn't know...so the question that were they in the wrong is quite invalid
you know you're unqualified to be a cop, when you shoot a dog that is standing still, while it is on property that it is suppose to be on.
"A GoFund me has been setup for the medical bills--" HOLD IT. That cop isn't footing the bill? ARE YOU SERIOUS?! *resumes watching video*
RosscoAW exactly he should have to pay those bills at the very least and should not have a gun if a friendly dog make him shoot what would any high stress situation do to him
brook didway we didn't see all that much in the video, at least in my city I know that the police department pays for any unjustifiable damage their officers cause, I think the case just has to be evaluated first...
i didn't know police were hiring people with next to no backbone and paranoia. :/ .that cop should be fired and be put in a mental hospital in all honesty. no sane human being sneaks and jumps over a fence and shoots a dog being playful...
I have paranoia and wouldn't shoot a dog! The issue here is the officer being stupid, and not knowing the difference between a dog being passive and happy and aggressive.
doggydog490 hes a street cop. Street cops are usually dumb simple dudes with not much brain.
doggydog490 yeah and you wonder all there cop shootings are happening, this is basically how they all go down. "i don't know what to do, let me draw my gun and fire". drawing a gun should be the last resort. also if that was now the owners dogs and the robers for whatever reason dont you think it would be a good idea to use the most quiet form of subduction as possible in order to catch the actual purp
If those were pit bulls, the cop was probably scared just because of the poor public image of the dog breed. Still doesn't justify his stupid decision
Nooooo those poor dogs!! The first one wasn't even doing anything.
657Tasha657 yeah and the second one was probably just seeing if there friend was alright
at least they are alive and the www.gofundme.com/43u375s is doing well almost 25K with 802 people
those type of stories affects me the most because where I'm from we do have a law stating domestic animals are not consider like furniture but sentient beings with emotions but unfortunately we have some bad people that hurts people's dog because of the race issue with the pit bulls even if the dog in question is not and also police officer with easy on the trigger to shot and kill a none threatening dog.
I am glad we have human beings that still has a heart and care for all living creatures. I would be tormented if something like that happen to my to girls just because people are afraid for no valid reason.
I agree with the authority's decision to continue the show, when they said that the crowds may rally up in disappointment that the festival was cancelled. 45,000 is a lot of people. Makes sense.
I think the police officer should have to pay for the surgery
Same here he is the one that almost killed the dog so he should be the one to that pays its medical bills
he's black so no ones going to riot for him to answer to his actions.
Zee Man I think he should be charged with trespassing and animal crulety.
The police officer, or at least the local police department or something.
Zee Man or at least had a good kick in the whimmy wham wham wozzle
There was a concert with Metallica and Guns N Roses in the early 90's. James Hetfield almost got killed during the first song. Guns N Roses didn't go on and there was a riot and people died. I completely understand the concert people wanting Greenday to play.
It was in Montreal and Guns n Roses did actually go on. Duff and Slash once they heard the news about James and Metallica wanted to go on right away/early and play a long set (mentioned in their autobiographies) but Axl wasn't present at the venue. They actually started later than their slot time which was normal of Axl at that point in his career. They were 15 minutes in to their set when they decided to cancel the show due to technical difficulties. That's when the riot irrupted. So they did play, it just wasn't a long set and after not getting a full show by Metallica, the people were infuriated.
That being said, I think the circumstances here are different so it may have produced a different outcome. Although James Hetfield was injured, according to Jason Newsted, the audience was calm about the situation. Its only after Axl was approximately an hour late and Guns only played 15 minutes of their set, that got people upset. I think if the show was cancelled due to a death they would be more respectful, like they were when Metallica initially left to the hospital.
ashante that riot started due to Axl's diva complex and his actions
I really wanted to see Phil talk about all the fires in British Columbia, Canada. There are currently over 150 forest fires burning. 14,000 people have been evacuated already and the entire province is on a warning for evacuation. Highway 97 has a road block south of the Cariboo. Idk, I thought it was big enough to warrant a mention by Phil but that might just be because I'm smack dab in the middle of it all so it seems more important to me than it is to an American.
Risa Lynn I think that is definitely horrifying sad and news worthy but I don't think it's anything against Phil. but his show is really about the conversation and there's not too much to argue about that. It still could have been mentioned and I'm not saying it's right but that may explain why.
Risa Lynn hey from penticton sucks that we have an air quailty advisory out don't it? I feel sorry for those folks out in princeton
There are a bunch of fires here in CA, where he lives. I'm sure he hasn't heard anything about this
Courtney Andrade I am not holding it against him or blaming him in any way. I know he has to pick and choose what he talks about very carefully and I understand that he doesn't have the time to talk about everything. It just something that hits so close to home for me so I'm a little more emotionally invested in the story. And who knows? He might talk about it sometime throughout the week as everything progresses. Even if it's just a 30 sec mention to inform people about it but if he doesn't I certainly won't hold it against him if he doesn't.
Risa Lynn to be fair such things are not abnormal for us. fires like this do happen alot and the fire season starting this early is not that unusual and considering our election didn't even make it into the show despite it being so unusual. I'm not really going to hold my breath.....or maybe I should considering the smoke.........
Oh please, Lele has been called out by so many people over the years, and they all say the same thing: all she cares about is her fame and popularity. She posted photos from the actual cut on her Instagram story, the hair was in a giant ball, not even cut in the way it needs to be for donation. She even at one point claimed they picked up scraps off the floor for donation, which doesn't happen. It's pretty obvious from all the evidence that keeps popping up that she cut her hair, then later decided to pretend she donated hair to gain popularity, and now that she's been caught, she can't even do the right thing and admit the truth.
SMH at all these highly uneducated policemen. How are you going to shoot a dog multiple times when it is obvious that it has no intention on attacking you. First off, the officer came into the proximity of the dogs, the dogs simply then waltzed over to see what is going on, and then to shoot them when you're not even supposed to be there. That's the equivalence of a robber who trespassed into your territory shooting you because you came up to him to investigate what is going on
Agreed im all for supporting cops that are doing their jobs, being a cop is difficult but that was a disgusting use of excessive force that dog was very clearly not being aggressive that cop has no business being a cop.
i really want a update to this story when it happens , things cant just die off like that ,"the vicious dog attacked the police officer and he was defending himself", and what happens next time when the officer is under stress with a human walking over to him to see whats up
Green Day was not at fault whatsoever. They were simply following instructions that were normal to them. The festival should have made them aware of what happened however. But I also think that stopping the whole festival would have been dangerous trying to get that amount of people out of one small place.
I don't think that Green Day was at fault they weren't informed about the incident at all before hand and so it's Mad Cool's fault for not informing them about the incident before hand and letting them continue the concert
Trinity Joseph yes they should have informed them about death but I can see why they chose to keep festival going.
karsaka sdasfa still wouldve left wether someone died or not. Green day sucks both live and in the studio. It's 2017 not 2004
karsaka sdasfa yeah I know they did it to keep everyone safe but they kinda already failed at that considering someone already died
karsaka sdasfa I agree keep the show going
Christian Castellanos wrong
As heartless as it may seem, not cancelling the show assured that 45K people didn't all head for the exit at the same time. It especially assured that 45K people weren't booing, throwing things, and getting aggressive. We were sure to see injuries, assaults, and possibly additional lives lost if such a commotion was started. Sucks, but it makes sense to keep things moving.
THEY'LL NEVER TAKE MY PORN!
Xaine's World OR GUNS
I definitely think the festival was wrong for not letting Green Day know why they had to wait to go on. How can Green Day expect to handle the situation correctly when they don't know the gravity of what the audience just saw?
If i was there i would be pissed that I didn't get to hear green day play because some dude died
dan819999 either way you would have people pissed can't please everyone
huh that seems like a dumb thing to do anyway lol
climbing around in a box all high in the air I mean
She cut the tops off her extensions for that second photo. Tricky but not tricky enough.
#Exposed
I'm sick and tired of people using any story involving the lgbt community to comment on how we're impure and unnatural let's have an actual conversation like real people please.
What topic would you like to be covered?
there have been too many unfortunate events of cops being scared and firing a gun. cops need to have better training of what to do in stressful situations.
Jessica Mills luckily Phoenix PD seems to be doing a good job:)
No, they just need to hire cops that are not fucking pussies.
Cops need to be taught martial arts or some sort of unarmed close combat so that they don't rely on their guns 24/7
Jessica Mills They need to not reflexively use guns first. The police in Britain manage, given that the majority don't carry guns.
seriously do cops in American not have fucking non lethal weapons...every fucking thing has to be dealt with by a gun.
As an animal lover the story about the officer shooting this family's dogs really upset me. I wanted more of a reaction/opinion from you Phil, how is that officer not being charged or sued? Dogs, and pets in general, are usually treated like family, how could he do that when he shouldn't have jumped their fence in the first place?
probably not enough information. They should be sued since thats trespassing
I do not think "Trespassing" will hold because chances are they were responding to the alarm and if the message that the alarm was nothing did not reach them for whatever reason it won't hold.
If you look up the numbers, like 20 dogs a day get killed by American police. Most cases are like this, most courts let them off. Police are trained to be trigger happy, any time they feel threatened even slightly they shoot. Dog or person.
Gazi it's fucked up when a defenceless being gets killed regardless of what it is. Animals are generally treated as people too in most families. I know if someone shot my dog, I'd flip shit...
GABERBIT I don't necessarily disagree with you, but considering the story that was shown in the video and all the other similar stories of police being a tad overzealous with their guns, I'd say the "restraint" they get taught is not enough.
I think that's just an unfortunate situation for MadCool. I always come back to Tommy Lee Jones' quote from MIB... "A person is smart, people are dumb". so A PERSON could totally understand if he is told that the show is cancelled because someone just died here. But the same can't be guaranteed for a large crowd pissed off that they could not see Green Day on stage. I think they went for the safest route even though it sucks.
I think that's an excellent point.
Completely agree.
That dog was literally just like "hey who are you, whats up man"
There was 0% threat in that dogs face
As a Brit I love that Phil used the phrase Tory, instead of Conservative MP. FYI its actually sort of an insult that non supporters of the party used that became common use. Its not remotely official. Tories were an old party so the joke is implying the conservatives are old fashioned.
Robert Clarke Its not really an insult, tory MPs have used the term themselves.
yeah its super common which is why i said "sort of insult". It was just funny Phil saying it as a non-Brit like it's official terminology.
Yeah, It could also lead to confusion, seeing as conservative is also a common term in american politics.
The Conservatives was founded from the Tory Party, it's hardly an insult and plenty of Conservatives/supporters have used 'Tories'. Then again you don't see other partys getting referred to as Whigs but I suppose that's more complex than Tory -> Conserv
People need to stop criticizing bands and show organizers for continuing shows like that. When 45000 people are in the same place for the same thing and that thing gets cancelled, they riot every single time. Not everyone in that place is gonna know what happened or why. Drunken mob mentality takes over and then they start tearing the place and each other apart. Show organizers are well aware of this and make this decision every time in order to prevent possible further tragedies. Does it suck and feel insensitive? Yes. But it's absolutely necessary.
Nathan F good point, but they should at least have mentioned it to the other performers.
I agree with what you said, I agree with Green Day, and I agree with "Mad Cool", it's fucking tragic that this dude died, hugely, but telling 45000 people to fuck off? That's a riot waiting to happen, telling them what happened, also potentially a riot, telling Green Day would then suggest to them to stand down, riot, telling them and then requiring them to play on regardless, shames them. The people in the know did the best they could with what they had to deal with. respect.
"That's a weird pause"
"But yes, China"
"But yes, China..."
Now I'm not sure if that double edit was intentional or not :p
I thought it just glitches for me
I can't think of anything to comment, so here's a cinnamon roll recipe:
Ingredients
For the Dough:
1 cup whole milk
one 1/4-ounce packet active dry yeast (2 1/2 teaspoons)
1/4 cup plus 1/4 teaspoon granulated sugar
4 tablespoons unsalted butter, melted, plus more for the bowl
1 large egg yolk
1 1/2 teaspoons vanilla extract
2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour, plus more if needed
3/4 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
For the Filling:
All-purpose flour, for dusting
12 tablespoons unsalted butter, softened, plus more for the pan
1/2 cup granulated sugar
3 tablespoons ground cinnamon
For the Glaze:
2 cups confectioners' sugar
1/3 cup heavy cream
4 tablespoons unsalted butter, melted
Directions
Make the dough: Warm the milk in a medium saucepan over low heat until it reaches about 100. Remove from the heat and sprinkle in the yeast and 1/4 teaspoon sugar (don't stir). Set aside until foamy, 5 minutes. Whisk in the melted butter, egg yolk and vanilla.
Whisk the flour, the remaining 1/4 cup sugar, the salt and nutmeg in the bowl of a stand mixer. Make a well in the center and pour in the yeast mixture. Mix on low speed with the dough hook until thick and slightly sticky. Knead on medium speed until the dough gathers around the hook, 6 minutes. (Add up to 2 more tablespoons flour if necessary.)
Remove the dough and shape into a ball. Butter the mixer bowl and return the dough to the bowl, turning to coat with butter. Cover with plastic wrap and let rise until doubled, 1 hour 15 minutes.
Roll out the dough, fill and cut into buns (see instructions below). Butter a 9-by-13-inch baking pan; place the buns cut-side down in the pan, leaving space between each. Cover with plastic wrap and let rise until doubled, 40 minutes. Preheat the oven to 325.
Bake the buns until golden brown, about 35 minutes. Cool in the pan 15 minutes. Meanwhile, make the glaze: Sift the confectioners' sugar into a bowl, then whisk in the cream and melted butter. Transfer the buns to a rack and spoon the glaze on top while still warm.
How to Form Cinnamon Buns
1. On a lightly floured surface, roll the dough into a 12-by-14-inch rectangle with the longer side facing you.
2. Spread with the softened butter, leaving a 1/2-inch border on the far long edge. Mix the sugar and cinnamon; sprinkle over the butter.
3. Brush the unbuttered far edge with water. Roll the dough away from you into a tight cylinder and press on the long edge to seal.
4. Cut the cylinder with a sharp knife to make 6 equal-size buns.
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If Lele isn't contributing to the world of comedy, at least she can pretend to contribute to charity.
Meme Lord she is hot as hell
I'm having a hard time thinking of things I give less fucks about than this hair story.
That dog shooting really breaks my heart. I have a blue nose staffy, he is such a sweet dog.
aw, he sounds cute. I hate seeing police officers attack innocent dogs, it happens way too often.
those officers should have to pay every single cent of those dogs medical bills. that officer had no right to be in that yard AND those dogs were CLEARLY not a threat. seriously anyone with a brain who knew the first things about dogs, you know LIKE A COP SHOULD, could see they were not a threat
actually he had every right to be in that yard doesn't mean he can shoot the dogs but he was not doing anything illegal up to that point
I 100% agree. He should pay or the office should.
The shooting the dogs story absolutly broke my heart. I'm literally sitting here finding myself in tears. That police man needs punishment for such a thoughtless, horrible thing.
Regarding the issue for the police officer shooting at the 2 dogs, it is disgusting to see someone shooting an innocent dog that was just waiving is tail playful. If he was afraid of the dog he should have just jump back the fence and get out or a better solution NOT TO GO IN THE BACKWARD if you can't what's in there. There is a front door for that!!!
GT QcNumber1 it should be protocol to make as much noise as possible if you're going to jump a fence.. jumping into anyone's property will most likely be met with a dog encounter. It's not rare for people to have dogs in their back yard smh
GT QcNumber1 plus they were responding to a home invasion, is it common for cops to jump to the back yard first smh
indeed that's one action I didn't understand the jump fence for a home invasion call
Not to mention it's illegal for an officer to start searching private property without a warrant. Another fine example of why I fear and distrust ALL police officers. I'm willing to bet literally anything this officer will face zero punishment.
There actually is protocol which he did not follow. The main rule when entering property is to "Make yourself known". Officers HAVE to announce their presence, otherwise they face possible litigation.
Green day sounds totally innocent, I blame Madcool for not organizing a better hand off, Im sure they were just trying to find the quickest/easiest way to make sure things run smoothly but I dont think it was handled well. I think it was disrespectful to the man who died
Jessica George they were trying to keep 45,000 people calm and avoid a mob. Trampling deaths are a real danger in that situation.
I understand that but there needs to be some kind of buffer. Greenday should have been given a heads up or else, some kind of a host should have been on stage in between performances to acknowledge what happened and explain that the show will go on
Jessica George You can't, that's the thing. If that information caused Green Day not to perform, same result; frenzy. Even a venue can't force performers if they don't want to. Not everyone in the crowd would have known or cared what happened, people possibly on drugs or intoxicated, a lot of unknown unstable variables, it's a riot waiting to happen. It was the safest move to keep everyone calm and protect he performers, staff, and crowd. The only reason people can talk about disrespectful mess now, is because the possibility of a rampant mob was avoided completely. You can't really deal with a situation like that until everyone is gone.
Jesus Christ pitbulls are not naturally aggressive. They are a nanny breed. They are big babies. I'm sick and tired of people bashing this beautiful breed. It's the owners that make them "AGRESSIVE" not the breed. I have a pitbull lab she's a toddler basically and sleeps and plays. Pitbulls are in the catergory just like Rottweilers and German Shepards as AGRESSIVE breeds and are even BANNED from cities and towns even apartments and homes which isn't correct at all. A little tipper can be more crazy and more mean than a big dog
I have a pitbull mixed with a Rhodesian ridgeback and he's the sweetest thing ever, I love him
Enigma Even if the dog was aggressive. He had every right to be, the cop was an intruder. Dogs are supposed to guard property.
Elexess Ashley Breeds do have different temperaments. Aggression is different.
I have a blue nose pitbull she's a sweetie and all she wants is pets and loves. And I love her. If someone hurt her I'd be heart broken. She grew up with my youngest son and she always lays with him and cuddles with him.
Elexess Ashley A pregnant woman who was the head of a group that was made to stop the bashing of pit bulls was killed by her pit bull. Fact of the day
I don't think Green Day can be faulted, because the likelihood was that they were not informed of the incident. They have their schedule, they get into the mindset of performing, and go when told. As far as the festival continuing, it's unusual that they wouldn't inform the performers. Obviously the scene was upsetting, and those who wanted to leave probably did. But the performers could have turned it into a positive experience for those who remained instead of this PR bullshit.
Have to agree with Mad Cool, their decision prevented the risk of human health (large crowds of people are seriously scary) and whilst it may be unsavory it prevented financial damage. There was nothing else to be done for Pedro at that time.
Greenday started with a Queen song so it seems appropriate to quote them here
"The show must go on"
That cop better not get out of what he did with a petite fine or a slap on the wrist. He wasn't in any threat by any dog in that yard. The most dangerous person was that cop, would of hated to see what would of happened if someone walked into the yard if he would of shot them as well.
Honestly, there needs to be an armed revolt in the US. The citizenry easily out guns the cops in this country. No reason why they couldn't win.
The police force needs to pay for the dog's medical care. (The money already donated could go to helping other dogs shot by the police for no damned reason.)
heres the great thing about america . If the people almost unanimously wish for a revolt it can be done however the majority of people are torn or disagree with each others so there would be minimal support . Personally I am indifferent on this whole dog - cop thing . Like it didnt seem to pose a threat in hindsight but thats 20/20 and in the cops position im sure he was scared and just overreacted . Its nothing to revolt over , the dogs are fine l
If Pedro was a true performer, which I'm absolutely sure he was, he would have wanted the show to go on.
Regarding the Green Day/Mad Cool issue: there is a common saying in show business: The show must go on. I've continued shows after fellow cast members have broken a leg, been run to a hospital for stitches, and have performed myself despite food poisoning. It's considered part and parcel of being a professional performer. Even if Green Day knew about Pedro had been killed, I would have respected their decision to perform anyway, and I respect Mad Cool for following the ultimate rule of performance. The show must and did go on.
In all seriousness, that officer went into someone's garden after hopping the fence, shot two dogs who were shown not to be aggressive and then fled.
Not only is that one of the most cowardly acts I've seen recorded, it's also a straight-up crime. Imagine if he went into someone's garden and shot a couple of people that got up and were investigating why a random stranger was in their garden, He'd be in jail for attempted murder.
Doesn't deserve to be allowed to continue his job, deserves time in jail and to be looked at to try and figure why he was so quick to shoot.
Ye but at least it wasn't black people today.
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Mo Killem don't get your hopes up, a couple probably already died today that the news (local might) won't cover.
Way to distract from the issues, Mo. As long as you make it about race, no police reform is ever going to happen. SJWs are a cancer. They only harm the people they think they are helping. Police abuse is about police culture, class and money, not melanin, you God damned fool.
Mo Killem it's sad that I thought the same thing. Fuck the officer tho
Oh my gosh.. the animals being shot just destroyed me 😭 what even???
Katie Lizabeth welcome to america
Katie Lizabeth same. It's horrible I heard about it on Instagram
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Cops are getting worse I think if you looks at twitter stories like that are all over. Wouldn't recommend
Katie Lizabeth POLICE BRUTALITY
OMFG, the police/city needs to pay for the medical care for those dogs. The body language of the dog on camera shows no aggression. That officer really needs training on how to interact with dogs.
Imagine this for a second:
You're a police officer.
You have been trained with dogs to use them and to know they can be dangerous.
You get called to a home, where the alarm has tripped.
You see a dog, a dangerous dog breed. Knowing that there could be someone equally as dangerous,
You have to make a split second decision.
You open fire for your safety.
It's no different then shooting a man with a bb gun look alike. Sure there may not be any real lethal danger, but why take the chance when your life is at stake for doing your job.
Oh look, you know how to copy and paste the same comment over and over @SirThePickle. There is no scenario where that particular officer was in the right. Stop trying to justify it.
SirThePickle If you can't read simple body language and are that scared and trigger happy, you shouldn't be a cop
The fact that you state that the police officer trains with dogs disproves your point, because if he had trained with dogs he should know that that dog had no intention of attacking.
Hey Phil, my first time commenting, but been watching for a year now! I love ya man for two reasons, you stick to your principles and you cite you're sources!!! Let me tell you, that is rare these days. As a conservative who's sick of news sites on both sides of the the spectrum (I'm looking at you fox and CNN), it is refreshing to be able to turn on my RUclips app and watch an informed update on the state of our nation and the world. As for the China thing, this just seems like another reason why America, though flawed, is the greatest country in the world because we are the most free. Countries like Canada and Britain are outlawing things like insults and criticism (hatespeech). Before you peg me as some national exceptionalist, I realize that we are inferior in many categories, but it boggles my mind that people still don't realize that being able to say, print, worship, and carry what we want is truly truly great. Hopefully people like you Phil keep vocally defending these rights.
Hey, Phil, on the Lele story I honestly believe she's probably misinformed about donating her hair. My stepmom is a hairdresser and you'd be surprised how many hairdressers don't even know anything about donating except for the required length. And as a side note: Don't donate to Locks of Love because they take donations to make wigs that they make the families of children with cancer pay up to hundreds of dollars for the wigs. Wigs for Kids is a much better charity and has a better reputation.
Green day should not be scrutinized if they truly did not know. it was the responsibility of the event organisers to inform them, and they ultimately failed to do their job. Allowing the show to continue at all was a mistake, and very few people would be mad at the event for cancelling the event in this situation. How could they not see the potential bad press a mile off?
JenxRodwell I agree. They were trying to avoid a mob scene. Trampling is a real threat.
A former viner being FAKE???
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JoKing you forgot an o
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the festival made the right call imo. like agent k said, "a person is smart, but people are dumb, panicky animals and you know it"
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Saul Garcia Small things are a choking hazard.
GetAmber Jesus Christ
Aqoric Damn just damn.
Savvy Marion I was actually donating my hair. Thanks for the heads up!
Savvy Marion To me, it's still pretty clear that the hair in the photo wasn't what she cut because if you ever have seen any of her videos, she has scraggly, damaged hair, and the hair in that photo looked quite healthy. I think she's lying in any case.
Police officers, firefighters, doctors, etc. should not be hired if they're scared of every little incident. If you're a policeman who's scared of dogs, downgrade to a mall cop.
Chris Fodor What a bad fucking cop, sees a dog wag his tail sniffing stuff in the backyard and shoots him. Also you've clearly never owned a pet that you have actually loved
Chris Fodor: You seem very cold hearted
"Just a dog" that now needs "just $18,000+" for surgery. A dog isn't going to kill you. Its "just a dog" so why shoot it. Just fucking get out of their yard coward. Hope you don't own animals Chris.
stfu Chris
I want to respond to you but my dog is looking at me wagging his tail, I think he might be about to rip out my throat.
honestly i dont see a problem with what green day did i understand it is completely possible that the convention didnt tell them about the incident but i dont think they should have had them go on that was a bit wrong
i hate my life I'm still attending their concert in September so I understand that they did nothing wrong.
Agreed
I'm more curious about how the audience behaved when Greed Day took the stage. Did they cheer and enjoy the music as if nothing bad happened, before complaining later? Or did they boo the shit out of them and Green Day just didn't care for some reason?
I actually agree with the decision to keep the festival going. I've been to a few rather small concerts, after which the audiences left NOT in a panic, and it was still absolute chaos. Something with that large of an audience ending suddenly is guaranteed to spread fear, which is almost invariably going to get people hurt or killed. It may seem silly, but keeping the festival going and letting it end as scheduled was the smart move.
I just have 5 words about the concert, "The show must go on!"
DrakDagon that's clever dude you earned a subb
Thanks for the shoutout!
Cool vids
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Why hello there, what flavor of skittles do you enjoy most?
You honestly deserve it, love your show and always will love it, Keep up the good work
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I say green day was not a fault. Thanks for listening
Kibby 123 I agree
Kibby 123 people saying they are are fucking morons. No way they could stop it. If anything it would be on the venue, not the artist. Even then its stupid to blame them
Kibby 123 yea,they didnt know
Thanks Phil for providing light on this subject. There has been a lot of stories coming out lately of cops shooting non-aggressive dogs on their own properties. Most of the times the dogs are killed.
"Ninja! Ninja! Ninja!.... ahhhh nOoo"
if the cop was this trigger happy he would shoot a dog coming slowly at him looking to be pet. can you imagine what would have happened if he went inside and came across the older kid
Joost Kohlen especially with the kids being black. this could have been even more tragic.
+Etta Jurima Yes, he was a cop so we know he had to have been racist. The only reason he would shoot a child is if they were black.
How the hell does China think that 3 people can find all homosexuality-related content on the internet. Seriously, do they not understand how giant the internet is?
Darkfire Blast They already have a pretty good grip on Internet censorship, it's not a stretch of the imagination for them to introduce further restrictions.
The idea is for PLATFORMS to hire the three censors, this is as if RUclips, Vimeo, Twitter, Facebook ( I know these are banned in China) had to each hire three censors.
Darkfire Blast We American buy there products made by some kid in the factory.
Luis Salazar I understand that but any platform can't have only 3 (no company will hire more if they don't have to) people control everything being posted from a website.
its china... what do you expect
Best edited DeFranco yet!!
Hey Phil, at least one of the hair donation programs you linked is a FOR-PROFIT. I've donated my hair multiple times and I personally choose children with hair loss. It uses 100% of hair to make wigs for kids (and some adults) with cancer AND stuff like alopecia. They are awesome. They also take dyed hair and grey hair as long as there is not too much damage. So if Lele's hair isn't too damaged by the bleach, she could still donate to a great organization. Just my 2 cents.
Seriously, guys? We're getting upset at Green Day? If you think they're the type of people to be comfortable playing a show after the death of a fellow musician, I honestly don't know what to tell you. All this anger at them and the festival itself is distracting from the true tragedy: Pedro's death.
How about we focus on what truly should garner our attention and sorrow rather than add to the emotional shit storm with hate and finger pointing?
ya....not really mad at them still preforming......
"the show must go on"......must be, a forgotten saying....
however..... fuck green day as a band.....
they made 1 or 2 decent albums..... then went all 5 writes, 8 producers, 10 studios.....while talking shit about pop music....
they ARE pop music...
Green Day was not in the wrong in any way. it really sucks that it happened before they went on. but like billie joe stated they were just following instructions and didnt know the reason behind the delay
They said it themselves, THEY KILLED A MAN.
I completely agree, If you have ever been to one of these big concerts you realize that the bands are often herded around like sheep. Even if they did see the paramedics it wouldn't be that weird because people get hurt at these events a lot and the rule of thumb is to keep going. It is not typical for people to die in that manner but it is very likely from their perspective that everything was normal.
I feel like they could have asked what the problem was, but that doesn't make them at fault. They obviously see that kind of reaction often to a lot of smaller things and had no reason to suspect anything like that was the cause this time. I do think that the festival employee should have told them sooner about it though
I was ready to jump on Green Day. But their explanation seems completely plausible. The show runners were calling the shots.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for talking about the censorship bullshit going on in China. I grew up there and only recently moved elsewhere so its hard to find other people to relate to about it. Also, it's not quite so "out there" as most Americans think, because there are so many Asian-Americans who are/were affected and outraged by the censorship.
To be fair I think I saw one of those dogs reaching for their gun
Cillian Brouder omg you're right. I just played back the video frame by frame
no. it was a cellphone.
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I can't say for sure if that's what was happening, but did you smell weed?
The gun was turned into a walkie talkie in the re-release.