Because it is. The clone hit box change is a double-edged sword. He gets antiair combos without spending a resource, same with corner combos, which is a buff, but you can now walk up block, break the clone, then full combo, punish him for doing it. So it's unsafe on block and hit now. As for the vapor change the combo barely works and still requires a resource either bar or kameo leads to significantly scaled damage so your just better off doing 2 hits into kameo or ex vapor like we have been for 8 months. For this buff to actually work we either need vapor to keep you frozen for 3 more frames or a 7 frame start up forward advancing gapless launching string.
all i want is better scaling on ex deadly vapors and i want his useless ass ice ball to actually fly faster or at LEAST come out faster, it's so bad to use cuz you're basically giving them a free hit unless you're full screen
You planning a Darius guide? I see how you are using him but don't quite understand why you don't go for the swing attack with him. It replenishes kameo meter.
Yooo Stark you inspired me to learn Sub and Sonya and I gotta say they’re very cheap but fun! I’m considering making them my new KL team to be honest, they’re so easy to use it feels so natural when I play that team
@@StarK_Takahashi he’s so fun to play with Sonya, it’s funny when my opponent complains about clone even though I barely use it in neutral and mostly use it to combo into j12 safe jump😂😂
I've had a play with post patch Darrius n he definitely works much better. You go for the overhead extensions like I do, but I like using lao with him 👍
@@StarK_Takahashi i c u saying that a lot.. but y? "Armour gaps" have u seen anybody take advantage of them? He got mixups, u can make him cheap, he has clone to maintain distance, what r ur points? Im not saying hes broken or anything but i want 2 know ur opinion
@@StarK_Takahashi I agree, the 0 plus frames and and Ice clone being sooooo negative makes it hard to play against most characters. In close up situations many characters are able to just mash buttons because they are so positive in frames and if you let go off block you end up in a full combo. It feels like it’s never your turn in those situations.
I think i've met u in kasual today, the name was Jayb_GB, super excited to finally met my favourite player, hope someday we'll have a rematch, Gg my fr 👋
@@dannythurlow3313 when you do the spinning kick move with Darrius that costs full bar it can be cancelled into BR1 which is a uppercut that acts as a D2.. pre patch that costed 2 bars but now it costs no bar
@@luisrodriguez-gl9xy yeah it was needed cause i often scream at my screen when my opponent touches the clone and nothing happens. Playing sub is annoying af at times
They need to remove the scaling on ex deadly vapors since you are spending a whole bar to extend smh.
True
12:02
Sub-Zero: I've had enough of your $#!+. (Bored to keep on winning hahaha)
It’s a ggs 👀
Knew I wasn’t the only one that felt like it was a fake buff 😂
Because it is. The clone hit box change is a double-edged sword. He gets antiair combos without spending a resource, same with corner combos, which is a buff, but you can now walk up block, break the clone, then full combo, punish him for doing it. So it's unsafe on block and hit now. As for the vapor change the combo barely works and still requires a resource either bar or kameo leads to significantly scaled damage so your just better off doing 2 hits into kameo or ex vapor like we have been for 8 months. For this buff to actually work we either need vapor to keep you frozen for 3 more frames or a 7 frame start up forward advancing gapless launching string.
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I'm finding Sonya with the buffed ice clone are pretty good. Let's go team beta!
@@FAM0US-M0NSTERS- yessir
Amazing as always! Way to go Grandmaster!🥷🏻🧊🐐
@@gercet0072 thanks buddy
I’ve tried sub Darrius a while back and I see the potential but for me it didn’t feel right, good stuff tho my boy keep it up
Thanks buddy
Excellent Sub Zero video as always
@@damianstarks3338 thanks buddy
all i want is better scaling on ex deadly vapors and i want his useless ass ice ball to actually fly faster or at LEAST come out faster, it's so bad to use cuz you're basically giving them a free hit unless you're full screen
@@doomlegend. True
My guy good shit I love these vids. Btw the 90’s attire is my fav so far. Good stuff for sporting it
Yessir... Thanks for watching
You planning a Darius guide? I see how you are using him but don't quite understand why you don't go for the swing attack with him. It replenishes kameo meter.
@@nicolassilvia3829 it replenishes only if the swing attack hits
For the hell of it (could be outside of KL) you should do a vid with the suboptimal combo of Sub-Zero/Sub-Zero
That team has an optimal combo 😭
Love the intro's 😁
@@SimonSimfukwe-iy6ff thanks buddy
Yooo Stark you inspired me to learn Sub and Sonya and I gotta say they’re very cheap but fun! I’m considering making them my new KL team to be honest, they’re so easy to use it feels so natural when I play that team
That's really good mate... I hope you find sub fun to play 😉
@@StarK_Takahashi he’s so fun to play with Sonya, it’s funny when my opponent complains about clone even though I barely use it in neutral and mostly use it to combo into j12 safe jump😂😂
Good videos as Always 🥶
@@TheTony2000 thanks brother
@@StarK_Takahashi 🤝🏻
I've had a play with post patch Darrius n he definitely works much better.
You go for the overhead extensions like I do, but I like using lao with him 👍
@@BenTower17 yeah hard to blockable vortex with lao goes crazy
@@StarK_Takahashi I do what you do but with lao I go for enhanced kungcussion off Darrius overhead or new sweep.
Keeps em guessing 👍
Bro your making wanna play SubZero and Darrius 😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Go for it buddy… it’s really fun
They do work well and compliment each other.
Learn when to use vapour into Darrius overhead or sweep to extend the combo as its only half his cameo 👍
damn this team is good, i see the potential
@@jerrythehedgehog7566 yessir
A low option on darrius would be good if the enemy had to guess
They can just choose if they armor or delay wake up
Yup
I feel come the dlc story he'll be super buffed 😉
NOOB SAIBOT FTWWWWWW
@@StarK_Takahashi for SPOILER ALARET...... Could he be the one like the og timeline... he beat SHINOK bk in the day so............ ;) ;)
How r u making sub zero look broken every single time? No wonder y so many ppl reconsider and think sub is an ok character
@@Founkey_Monkey he is not ok 😭
@@StarK_Takahashi i c u saying that a lot.. but y? "Armour gaps" have u seen anybody take advantage of them? He got mixups, u can make him cheap, he has clone to maintain distance, what r ur points? Im not saying hes broken or anything but i want 2 know ur opinion
@@Founkey_Monkey No plus frames
No good mids
Ass damage
Ice klone punishable by almost everyone
Gaps on every fucking string
@@StarK_Takahashi ok, im not the flap zero main here.. ill just take the L
@@StarK_Takahashi I agree, the 0 plus frames and and Ice clone being sooooo negative makes it hard to play against most characters. In close up situations many characters are able to just mash buttons because they are so positive in frames and if you let go off block you end up in a full combo. It feels like it’s never your turn in those situations.
At least sub zero now is better than some characters
He’s not 😭😭
they need to remove sub zeros gaps in his strings
Darrius after fatal blow is so damn funny
🤣
At least subzero got a little help
Yup
You can Intrerupt Motaro with a full combo, Motaro takes too long to attack with a low Projectile
I see….
They gave bro a useless deadly vapor buff that barely works half the time and an ice klone buff that no one uses😂
😭😭
I think i've met u in kasual today, the name was Jayb_GB, super excited to finally met my favourite player, hope someday we'll have a rematch, Gg my fr 👋
Ggs bro
Being both a scorpion/ sub zero main who do you think is more bottom tier?
Subzero
Кажется, он разозлился 😸
😂😂
@@StarK_Takahashi как настроение?
@@StarK_Takahashi🎈🥳🎉
Чувствую себя очень хорошо, спасибо, что спросили@@dove.russian_girl
day 5 playing sub zero, he is amazing
Yessir
When is the meterless deadly vapors thing happening?
Never because it's useless
@@StarK_Takahashi really? I thought it mean’t meterless conversions for sub
@@blueweak1 that only works with F12 as a combo starter
@@StarK_Takahashi smh, of course 😂 In the trailer it made it look crazy, I gotta jump in and see the changes
How u make Darius delay his hit?
Hold R1
🔥🔥🔥🔥 yessir !!
@@saiib0ttt ❤️
Ima hit u up in dms what the new “buff” can do in corner
@@AmaanSubzero alright
The D2 combo can be done after bR1 with NO BAR !!
@@SpecialOrder935 yup... I noticed that
@SpecialOrder935 I don't get what you mean here can you explain a little more detail please?
@@dannythurlow3313 when you do the spinning kick move with Darrius that costs full bar it can be cancelled into BR1 which is a uppercut that acts as a D2.. pre patch that costed 2 bars but now it costs no bar
@StarK_Takahashi top man. Thanks, just labbed it, great for extending 🥰
Obey your grandmaster
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Nicee
@@MatthewDimitropoulos 😉
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The most dangerous grand master more you than sub zero
@@The_best_GrandMaster 👀
Great video by the way
Thanks buddy
Is Khameleon still the best kameo for Sub zero? Or is it Darrius now?
I still believe khameleon is the best kameo for subzero
Ferra is best
He's still good but her fanlift dont get you out 9f being punished now. So With the bigger damage out there I wouldn't say shes top anymore.
@@StarK_Takahashishe does do good with subz👍
Are you saying that sub's buffs aren't really....game changing? If so I agree lol
@@ldking5132 at first i was excited, but then i saw that the only good thing about that buff is the extended hitbox on the ice clone, the rest is meh
They cud have kept that weak ass deadly vapors buff, completely useless
@@Quan_G4 Yeah that's not at all Sub's issue. They're deliberately not buffing him honestly.
@@luisrodriguez-gl9xy yeah it was needed cause i often scream at my screen when my opponent touches the clone and nothing happens. Playing sub is annoying af at times
Buff Sub-Zero
Lmao what do you mean fake sub zero😂 did you say that cuz it’s a different sub zero in this timeline
@@Reav052 i mean "fake buffed" subzero
why NRS hate bi han so much :(
😭 idk
Since mk1 khaos reigns out i dont feel like playing sub zero after noob saibot is here😅
😂
Sub's buffs are good but darrius mix ups are still strash
Sub buffs are good? From where haha