I like to believe that taking over Vegeta was his biggest mistake, the pride and ego leaked over to Baby´s being, it´s why he wanted to destroy Goku so bad, he was not interested in the power of the superior Saiyan at all.
@@SaiyanScholarto be fair baby should still be out there. The divine water mist only showered over planet plant not the universe. Baby enslaved a planet other then earth right. The place trunks expelled baby out of.
It’s so funny though. Baby legitimately took over all of Goku’s family and friends, and made them into vile, Saiyan hating racists, despite many of them being half Saiyan. He even took over Vegeta, the son of the guy who basically destroyed their planet. And yet, out of everybody to hate, the half Saiyans, Vegeta himself, ANYBODY! He decides the low class Saiyan warrior Goku is just garbage not even worth taking over 💀💀💀 this man took over basically everybody, even Pan and Trunks, but for Goku, nah; no taking over, no “joining the Tuffle Race” just kill the last surviving Saiyan survivor lmaooo. The worst part is that Goku also had to undergo many of the same fears the Tuffles did with the Saiyans, seeing as the Saiyans killed all of Goku’s friends, and how Goku was powerless against a great ape Vegeta, the same as the tuffles were powerless against other Great Apes.
I don´t want a fight, I want a Fusion: Baby Vegetto Black would be so badass to see. (I chose Baby Vegetto Black and not Baby Gogeta Black due to the Shin nature of Black, it would made sense for him, to make a fusion using potalas rather the fusion dance) I can see a Dragon Ball Hero arcs where they use Baby Vegetto Black vs Xeno Vegetto and Capsule Corp Gogeta. We always see Xeno Vegetto and Capsule Corp Vegetto or Xeno Gogeta and Capsule Corp Gogeta but never Vegetto and Gogeta sharing screen time at the same time, it would be awesome to see.
I'm not a big GT fan but maan GT had some great ideas for villains with Shadow Dragon and Baby. I hope they get reworked along with Janemba into Super , similar to how Broly and Gogeta got canon. Going into Saiyan's past is a good way to add much needed depth in the story. I know depth and story aren't DBs strongest side but it still needed for the audience to care. Now that we have more relevant fighters maybe each fighter could get a fight with a Shadow Dragon so everyone gets a chance to shine , and for the last one who similarly to Omega Shenron absorbs the other dragon balls they have to work together ... maybe its wishful thinking and nostalgia speaking on my part
Since you did a "SSJ4 Goku vs SSJ4 Baby Vegeta" what if theory, why not do a theory if Super 17, the fusion of two 17s were to fight a hypothetical SUPER 18, a fusion of two Android 18s....
This topic completely blew over my head first time watching it but I've watched gt like 4 times now along with all of dragon ball and I had also wondered during my 2nd watch through why he didn't come back from hell I also figured he was alive but then I'm sure he would have done something more significant than sit around and give up
My favorite part is when Goku hits baby with an M12-LRV. It's such an emotional scene 😭 If Baby had hit SSJ4 in Vegetable's body, that could have been a much closer fight. But the catharsis of Full Power SSJ4 Goku pummeling Baby was needed after how close the fight was before that point.
I think Goku base power was bigger than vegeta. However since Goku was transformed into a kid (his limbs are shorter changing everything and his body probably dont use energy the same way) and Baby was fused into vegeta, Vegeta became stronger than Goku. Also whit baby being fused into Vegeta he could not simply leave the body as easily as he did before, also if he did he would be vulnerable as easily killed. I dont think ss4 has magic to prevent possession, but since the mentality of goku ss4 and his power chances a bit it would probably be far harder to possess. As for baby dont appearing again the only explanation i see is his body being imediatly destroyed on the other world. I also find weird that neither dr gero nor dr myu tried to recreate cell or baby at all
I thought that but the end of Super 17 arc shows the villains close to the check in station so Baby would have already been checked in if he went there in the previous arc.
Vegeta had already had controle ovver his aoe form he should have been able to go ssj4 even when he did they had it like he was loosing control i gues ccsuse of the power surge
I wonder if Full power ss4 Goku would’ve had a different look if Bulla shared her power too? It’s obvious that he’d be far more powerful with the energy of 5 hybrids than 4, but look at Goku after he absorbed their powers. It looked like he was going to evolve beyond ss4. Baby managed to evolve. More so because of his tuffle biology rather than Vegeta’s, but imagine if he gained the power of one more saiyan/hybrid saiyan. Would the extra Saiyan energy have given him power beyond ss4?
If GT had a sequel, Baby could return through dormant eggs he hatched inside people and yes I know the Ultra Divine Water or whatnot cleansed humanity from Babies paristosis but you can never know. Also it could be possible Baby had a backup clone made just in case something went wrong and this clone woke up many years later but IMHO it would be better if Kamin and Oren were canonized for hypothetical GT sequel as Babies offspring, they have a great potential as villain material. BTW if GT had a sequel the villains should be Shadow Dragons from other sets of Dragon Balls across the Universe too
As a GT fan I appreciate Baby. The final fight against him was far better in my opinion, than the fight against Omega Shenlong. To me Omega Shenlong is a boring villain. I find it a nightmare to imagine Baby unlocking SSJ4, the battle was crazy enough as it is. Baby is one of my favorite villains in the DB franchise and #1 in GT.
Maybe Bebi was foubd by the Big Getti Star? Or Dr.Myuu used Bebi as material to rebuild 17? Not mich of cables and chips out there in hell, y'know.. Or Bebi was reverted to his original body and just got killed in hell, stopping to exist entirely. Or he traveled to timelines and was reinkarnated as inspiration for Zamasu and Goku Black.
Hold on. Is baby vegeta's final form before turning into golden ozaroo, was he a ssj2? So assuming that was ssj2 and he is far stronger than ssj3 goku, then that means if baby turned ssj4 he will be 3 steps above ssj4 goku. Since ssj2 baby feels like he was one step above ssj3. But when goku turned ssj4 goku felt one step above ssj2 baby. Or maybe not idk.
I highly doubt any of this. Goku trained Uub as well as himself for 3 years. The idea that he didn't train is silly. Vegeta didn't stop training, but who was he training with? So, he was nowhere near as powerful as Goku - not even in base. This theory is waay far off! I like theories, but this is way too far off the reasonable path. How do you think Babe transforms after getting k.o.d and clearly losing power? He did not have the knowledge and even if he did, wouldn't stop the de-transformation as he doesn't have the will to keep Vegeta from losing power - Vegeta's body and conscience were weakened greatly from Goku's damage. Babe had no way of remaining and it made since for him to flee. This theory fails greatly.
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I like to believe that taking over Vegeta was his biggest mistake, the pride and ego leaked over to Baby´s being, it´s why he wanted to destroy Goku so bad, he was not interested in the power of the superior Saiyan at all.
1:04 Look at that picture. I was a huge missed opportunity to not have a big battle between Golden Great Ape Goku & Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta.
7:30-8:10 Well going by that logic, in DBZ Frieza second major villain after Vegeta came back to earth but only to be destroyed by Future Trunks
Baby just wanted Goku dead. He never wanted his body
The punch bag that fought back!
@@SaiyanScholarto be fair baby should still be out there. The divine water mist only showered over planet plant not the universe. Baby enslaved a planet other then earth right. The place trunks expelled baby out of.
@@SaiyanScholar gt goku is an master martial artist he can beat ssj4 baby since he have huge iq
That’s why he took vegeta
It’s so funny though. Baby legitimately took over all of Goku’s family and friends, and made them into vile, Saiyan hating racists, despite many of them being half Saiyan. He even took over Vegeta, the son of the guy who basically destroyed their planet. And yet, out of everybody to hate, the half Saiyans, Vegeta himself, ANYBODY! He decides the low class Saiyan warrior Goku is just garbage not even worth taking over 💀💀💀 this man took over basically everybody, even Pan and Trunks, but for Goku, nah; no taking over, no “joining the Tuffle Race” just kill the last surviving Saiyan survivor lmaooo. The worst part is that Goku also had to undergo many of the same fears the Tuffles did with the Saiyans, seeing as the Saiyans killed all of Goku’s friends, and how Goku was powerless against a great ape Vegeta, the same as the tuffles were powerless against other Great Apes.
Babei Vegeta Vs Goku Black: Battle of the Dark Saiyans.
Black wins but baby is a much better villain
I disagree, Goku Black would lose. @@MikesVBs
@@YoMamaBih I wanna agree but there’s no proof that baby could beat him unless he possessed goku blacks body’s.
I don´t want a fight, I want a Fusion: Baby Vegetto Black would be so badass to see.
(I chose Baby Vegetto Black and not Baby Gogeta Black due to the Shin nature of Black, it would made sense for him, to make a fusion using potalas rather the fusion dance)
I can see a Dragon Ball Hero arcs where they use Baby Vegetto Black vs Xeno Vegetto and Capsule Corp Gogeta. We always see Xeno Vegetto and Capsule Corp Vegetto or Xeno Gogeta and Capsule Corp Gogeta but never Vegetto and Gogeta sharing screen time at the same time, it would be awesome to see.
Vegeta getting to profit from this fight, after Baby leaves his body.
I'm not a big GT fan but maan GT had some great ideas for villains with Shadow Dragon and Baby. I hope they get reworked along with Janemba into Super , similar to how Broly and Gogeta got canon.
Going into Saiyan's past is a good way to add much needed depth in the story. I know depth and story aren't DBs strongest side but it still needed for the audience to care.
Now that we have more relevant fighters maybe each fighter could get a fight with a Shadow Dragon so everyone gets a chance to shine , and for the last one who similarly to Omega Shenron absorbs the other dragon balls they have to work together ... maybe its wishful thinking and nostalgia speaking on my part
Probably Gt characters will have a fanboy appearance in Heroes, just as Janemba did
Since you did a "SSJ4 Goku vs SSJ4 Baby Vegeta" what if theory, why not do a theory if Super 17, the fusion of two 17s were to fight a hypothetical SUPER 18, a fusion of two Android 18s....
I 100% think baby was still waiting to be punished by king yemma due to the fact that super17 arc happens just a couple of months after the baby saga
Love the vids and perspective bro! I'ma gt fan and I'm always enthused about your take on things.
GT has the best villains!
Out of Z, OGDB, GT, and Super it prob has the weakest lineup
This topic completely blew over my head first time watching it but I've watched gt like 4 times now along with all of dragon ball and I had also wondered during my 2nd watch through why he didn't come back from hell I also figured he was alive but then I'm sure he would have done something more significant than sit around and give up
"Nobody can beat me when I'm Super Baby 2"
Nobody can beat me when I’m super baby 4
Did frezia ever have good intentions?
What if the dr used baby as the new body for super 17. Had to get his materials from somewhere while in hell.
My favorite part is when Goku hits baby with an M12-LRV.
It's such an emotional scene 😭
If Baby had hit SSJ4 in Vegetable's body, that could have been a much closer fight.
But the catharsis of Full Power SSJ4 Goku pummeling Baby was needed after how close the fight was before that point.
Ps. Check out goodman BT3's DBZ:BT3 anime mod.
He just dropped a video about SSJ4 character
Nice one
Baby was obviously absorbed by the Big Gete star and will return in Super Dragon Ball GT.
I think Goku base power was bigger than vegeta. However since Goku was transformed into a kid (his limbs are shorter changing everything and his body probably dont use energy the same way) and Baby was fused into vegeta, Vegeta became stronger than Goku.
Also whit baby being fused into Vegeta he could not simply leave the body as easily as he did before, also if he did he would be vulnerable as easily killed.
I dont think ss4 has magic to prevent possession, but since the mentality of goku ss4 and his power chances a bit it would probably be far harder to possess.
As for baby dont appearing again the only explanation i see is his body being imediatly destroyed on the other world. I also find weird that neither dr gero nor dr myu tried to recreate cell or baby at all
7:45 short answer: Baby was still waiting in line for King Yemma to judge him.
I thought that but the end of Super 17 arc shows the villains close to the check in station so Baby would have already been checked in if he went there in the previous arc.
Also, he’s a mechanical mutant, so he has no soul to bring to the afterlife 😅
I thought baby tried to infect but Goku isolated and beat him out of him.
Baby wouldn’t stand a chance against Omega. Syn would probably beat him alone. There’s a chance he gets by 17
What if baby posses omega? Imagine baby omega shenron
@@xXLiLJokerXx omega would be to powerful
@@JJJJ-he8bz baby had consistently possessed people stronger then himself. Literally that's how he got Vegetas body.
What’s your opinion or input on the strength of SSJ4 Gogeta Limit Breaker and LSSJ4 Limit Breaker Broly from Dragon Ball heroes?
SSJ 4 Baby would have been Awesome
Super 17 would stomp baby
Bro Waiting for your Goku Vs cell explosion video
cool video
Vegeta had already had controle ovver his aoe form he should have been able to go ssj4 even when he did they had it like he was loosing control i gues ccsuse of the power surge
Love ur vids bro I personally think before ssj4 goku, vegeta is on par or at least stronger than goku can you make a vid one day
What If??? If Baby Vegeta & Goku Black Fused, Will They Fuse Into Gogeta Black Baby 😂😂😂
Baby and Granola are parallel 😅 ?
hold on, you cant really think vegeta was stronger than goku in gt... in the 17 arc we see their's a drastic gap between them in gokus favor
That's the next arc after the one we are talking about. You can't use it to talk about the past.
What about majuub? Would he revert back inside ss4?
I wonder if Full power ss4 Goku would’ve had a different look if Bulla shared her power too? It’s obvious that he’d be far more powerful with the energy of 5 hybrids than 4, but look at Goku after he absorbed their powers. It looked like he was going to evolve beyond ss4. Baby managed to evolve. More so because of his tuffle biology rather than Vegeta’s, but imagine if he gained the power of one more saiyan/hybrid saiyan. Would the extra Saiyan energy have given him power beyond ss4?
What if the mechanical parts of baby that went to hell were used by gero and miu to make the evil 17?
If GT had a sequel, Baby could return through dormant eggs he hatched inside people and yes I know the Ultra Divine Water or whatnot cleansed humanity from Babies paristosis but you can never know. Also it could be possible Baby had a backup clone made just in case something went wrong and this clone woke up many years later but IMHO it would be better if Kamin and Oren were canonized for hypothetical GT sequel as Babies offspring, they have a great potential as villain material.
BTW if GT had a sequel the villains should be Shadow Dragons from other sets of Dragon Balls across the Universe too
Man i wish ssj 5 was a real
I mean, we got Gohan Blanco legitimized in Beast. Might just be a matter of time until Goku scales up SSJ3 with Instinct or something.
Hold on I thought baby could not shrink back to normal size and was forcefully ejected from vegetas body after his tail was destroyed?
As a GT fan I appreciate Baby. The final fight against him was far better in my opinion, than the fight against Omega Shenlong. To me Omega Shenlong is a boring villain. I find it a nightmare to imagine Baby unlocking SSJ4, the battle was crazy enough as it is. Baby is one of my favorite villains in the DB franchise and #1 in GT.
Im curious how dragon ball would be if it was made now without forgeting anything.
Maybe Bebi was foubd by the Big Getti Star?
Or Dr.Myuu used Bebi as material to rebuild 17? Not mich of cables and chips out there in hell, y'know..
Or Bebi was reverted to his original body and just got killed in hell, stopping to exist entirely.
Or he traveled to timelines and was reinkarnated as inspiration for Zamasu and Goku Black.
Hold on. Is baby vegeta's final form before turning into golden ozaroo, was he a ssj2? So assuming that was ssj2 and he is far stronger than ssj3 goku, then that means if baby turned ssj4 he will be 3 steps above ssj4 goku. Since ssj2 baby feels like he was one step above ssj3. But when goku turned ssj4 goku felt one step above ssj2 baby. Or maybe not idk.
Yemma didn't get to him as he was in the back of the line
I wish broly came back in gt and gained power to go into ssj3 and ssj4, now that would have been awesome.
One thing I never see people talk about baby is a super great ape 2 not a one like Goku as he was in super Saiyan 2 when he transformed into ape
Or he was immediately reincarnated like Buu
Baby wouldn’t be strong enough to control goku
very likely he was in line.
Super Saiyan 4 is still my favorite transformation
I mean, baby for sure killed people (his own people for that matter) for fun, so there’s no chance that he wouldn’t go to hell
Golden oozaru made no sense.
Well ssj4 was a saiyan thing so it's no surprise that a non-saiyan can't tap into the depth of saiyan DNA and turn ssj4
#dragonballgttransformations I hear the gba song
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Baby didnt tap the ssj4 power. Or i agree baby would spank goku from left to right.
I highly doubt any of this. Goku trained Uub as well as himself for 3 years. The idea that he didn't train is silly. Vegeta didn't stop training, but who was he training with? So, he was nowhere near as powerful as Goku - not even in base. This theory is waay far off! I like theories, but this is way too far off the reasonable path.
How do you think Babe transforms after getting k.o.d and clearly losing power? He did not have the knowledge and even if he did, wouldn't stop the de-transformation as he doesn't have the will to keep Vegeta from losing power - Vegeta's body and conscience were weakened greatly from Goku's damage. Babe had no way of remaining and it made since for him to flee.
This theory fails greatly.
dont matter the form plot armor stronger
nah. omega could still handle ssj4 baby.
Fusion...baby and Vegeta duh
poor thing, trying to explain bad writing
It’s called a hypothetical, that’s the whole point of a hypothetical
Could also have no body
or he just went to HFIL lol