I Made a Brand New Guitar With a Vintage Tone
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2022
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Daisy a Huge Congratulations on being awarded Creator On The Rise!!!!!!
Thank you so much!
I have a Gibson L-0 which was made in 1930. It was my Grandpa’s. The entire guitar is mahogany and like Daisy said is very hard and dried out. It sounds wonderful and plays like brand new. Recently, the bridge popped off. The glue dried out. I’ll be re-glueing it and give it another 90 years.
neck reset?
@@BenState No. The neck is perfect after 100 years. The bridge was loose when I got it from my Grandmother back in the early 1970’s. I popped it off and used epoxy back then. Recently, the epoxy popped and I glued it back using the correct glue.
@@jamesdellaneve9005no guitar's neck is perfect after 100 years.
@@BenState Well. I don’t know what to say. I’ve never had to even adjust the truss rod. And the top is slightly bowed (by design) which one would thinks would give you string height adjustment issues, but no. It’s setup perfectly and I’ve never adjusted it. The fretboard is perfectly straight. No buzzing, etc. It’s really quite striking. It doesn’t even need to be altered due to the weather. It’s all mahogany, even the top. BTW, I’ve made two short scale electric basses from scratch. I know how to build and setup instruments. My basses move a little with weather and seasons.
Take it to a pro.
the tone quality of that guitar so so warm and soothing. I am new to your channel but I am now hooked.
It has a beautiful warm sound, with a deep resonance on the bass side that I love...
I'm using your videos for English listening learning because it is so nice seeing your personality, seeing your work, and listening to your British pronunciation :)
That to me is how every acoustic guitar should sound. Full bodied with note clarity.
i like no sound no clarity
That guitar has some beautiful tone!!! Strong, warm bass, and bold trebles.
I have some redwood tops cut from "barn found" logs with cutting records showing the trees were felled over 100 years ago. I have built classical guitars with this wood and love the sound! Straight, tight grain and being quarter sawn, of course, adds to the tone, also.
I have a 1973 Guild Acoustic that has always had, over 30 years of owning it, something special about it tonally and feel-wise. I have no way to describe, explain or quantify it outside of everyone who hears or plays it agrees. It has been old to me since I got it as a kid in '96. But every other acoustic I've ever played has never quite lived up to the magic this old, budget guitar possesses.
I have a ‘72 D-35 guild I bought in ‘74. It’s not my finest guitar but it is my favorite.
sometimes the stars align on a guitar no matter what the price point. also if you learned on that guitar you in the learning process learned how to wrangle the best sounds out of it as you went along and those skills don't necessarily transfer to the next guitar. I pleased for you that you have one that fills you with joy and those who hear it too. the woods have to match each other and the player. so many variables it's a wonder that anyone gets a dreamboat guitar but it happens thankfully.
Very warm sounding and rings out great. You should be very proud - you have created a work of art for someone else to enjoy.
Living your infectious enthusiasm and your incredible skill. Kudos
A friend gave me his fathers Martin guitar. A 1930 model made of Hawaiian wood with rolled silk and steel strings. Martin let the wood age over a 25 year period before making a guitar. The sound was incredible to say the least. That is some project you took on. Great work,thanks
Yea, no. That's not true. People will also tell you the reason pre-war Martin's sound great is that they used all the wood that had been sitting on the factory floor for the last 100 years because of the war. That's nonsense too.
They do have a torrefication process they use to artificially age the wood though.
Your playing was absolutely gorgeous! Beautiful guitar as well. Thanks for the video!!
Your videos are wonderful, and you are a pleasure to watch go about your passion. Congratulations on being ‘new up and comer’ Daisy! I look forward to seeing your journey onwards.
Your videos are always so fascinating. Congratulations on the growth of your channel! 🎉❤
Very lovely. The work, the playing, everything.
Congratulations on being awarded Creator On The Rise. Ive really been enjoying this content and the way you present it.
Loving this channel. I’m taking guitar building courses at a local college through my job and in between classes (they are months apart) this has been scratching the itch. Cheers and best of luck as you keep building
I have no idea if it sound vintage or not since I have no real frame of reference for what "vintage sound" means, especially when it comes to acoustic guitars, but the guitar certainly sounds lovely, regardless of (supposed) recording imperfections, very full and balanced sound, just how acoustic guitar should sound IMO. I can imagine it plays just as nice, too.
Your playing is beautiful. It’s not about being good, it’s about how it makes you feel. I build electric guitars and am not a great player , it’s not our job. It’s up to the people buying the instrument to make the music. I baked a pine strat body in the oven and it is super light and resonant and the smell created in the house was somewhere between baked bread and old socks. Thank you for the video
Happy i came across your channel, beautiful work, warm and detailed sounding guitar, I love the vintage atlas inlay ❤️
Absolutely love the sound!! Warm and clear 🙂Awesome guitar 🙂
Beautiful sounding and looking instrument! The high notes have a nice, sweet fullness to them that I really like. Great work!
What a wonderful tone youve created in that guitar..wonderful Daisy..thankyou
Well done Creator On The Rise!!! I am not surprised. Excellent content and lots of open discussion. Makes me actually feel included. Keep 'em coming
Do what you do Daisey. All of your content is great. I often rewatch videos.
Love your videos, always learn something from them - you are a natural teacher 🙂
Really nice sustain, clarity, note-to-note balance, and trebles that project without being too strident. Allowing the shapes and materials to create beauty without going for added decoration creates a really lovely result. That guitar speaks for itself. What fine work!
I don't know enough about accoustic guitars to know what 'vintage' should sound like, but I can hear that the guitar you built sounds great and that's enough for me :) You play far better than you give yourself credit for.
I always enjoy your enthusiasm guitar making. You are actually inspiring me to build one. I have wondered what yellow pine would sound like and I have plenty.
I really dig it!
I loved the tonal quality across the board. Bravo!!!
wow... I just happened across your channel... and ... wow... I'm just impressed, overwhelmed and speechless. Thank you.
Back in the late 1970's (yes I'm that old) I worked for a short time for a small local luthier in Southern New England (USA) and it was his belief that if you completely dry out your woods and then reacclimate them to normal conditions they have a far superior tone. He built a "drying cabinet" that kept the wood at 125 deg F. It also had a large pan in the bottom he kept full of calcium chloride pellets. CC is a desiccant that never stops absorbing moisture. He stored his woods for pending projects in there for months! Then they'd sit on a shelf in the shop for a month or two before building began. Was it better? Who knows! I once had a red spruce "master grade" top set that was dead as a stone. Looked pretty but had no ring at all! Keep at it and stay true to the craft. You'll make it!
i've found the problem is no two guitars, even from the same wood stock, sound the same.
i bought a martin OOOX1 back in 2016 and i actually think it's the best sounding acoustic guitar in the world, the bass really growls at you and the trebles have that martin bell ring to them, and the resonance goes right through your body when you play, new strings are mind blowing on it.
the X series are spruce top and "HPL" back and sides, i think (nowhere does anyone say specifically) that HPL is just compressed and glued mahogany dust, high pressure laminate, so essentially it's a man made material and one would think consistent across all builds.
i bought ANOTHER OOOX1 to compare though, the guitar is that good.
the differences were: martin No1 was made in the USA in 2004, and martin No2 was made in mexico is 2014, and apart from the top finish (they seal it, but there is no lacquer, this is a budget guitar) and a 1mm difference in the break angle at the bridge, they should be identical - they weren't - (i do a couple of comparisons on my channel)
so i was surprised just how different two martin OOOX1's could be, completely different beats, and that's a man made material too.
i also have a 66 J45 (i bought in the 70's, i'm that old too) and a 69 epi texan - two very similar guitars that also sound entirely different to each other. you can't win with wood.
Solid Baltic birch body, mahogany neck, indian rosewood fretboard, tail piece/floating bridge, nickel strings, real bone nut/saddle, really dry. That's what vintage guitars sound like. I just think of my very first hand me down guitar from my childhood that I actually didn't like at the time because it didn't have that modern crisp sound of the early 2000's. Now I enjoy it.
I have a Martin D28 Authentic from 2014. I sought this one out because in 2015, Martin went to torrification on the Authentic line. I found that, in my own experience, torrified D28s sounded thinner and lacking warmth, compared to the 2014 model. This is a HUGE YMMV. My '14 is now 10 years old and it more than keeps up with my 1963 Brazilian/German-topped D28. Both are heavy hitters in tone, power and just plain stonk. Again, YMMV and it is all good indeed.
How about this? Salvage the sound board from an old piano! Congratulations on your continued growth! I love watching your videos! Keep them coming!
There are actually piano makers who uses shell/cabinet(?) from old pianos and add all new keys and the parts inside and they are supposed to sound great.
@@blodpudding I have seen luthiers who used 100+ year old piano sound boards for guitar builds. I recently acquired a piece for an ukulele build.
Piano soundboards have a slight concave or convex shape depending on which side you look at it, but you might get a piece flat enough to do something.
@@Flea-Flicker The piece I got was thick enough to re-saw. Once thickness sanded, it should work fine.
@Steve's Strings
Using sound board wood is a great idea, especially for ukuleles. You definitely have enough size for resawing. I have a 1904 Chickering & Son's baby grand that I am rebuilding. There are several different species of wood used depending upon the builder and era, so variable materials are definitely an option. Many times the sound board will crack providing the perfect opportunity for someone naturally aged tone wood.🤙
The guitar sounds gorgeous. Your playing is great!
Torrefied wood is definitely one of the key ingredients in recreating a vintage instrument. Other important aspects are to use dyes and lacquers that react to UV light, (nitrocellulose is an obvious contender), as well as rolling the fretboard edges for a more "played-in" feel
Sound’s lovely Daisy.👍👍
What you played sounded great. Tone and the playing where really nice. Congrats on the award and really good for you. I really like the teaching part mixed with nice humour. Thx!
Well done! Your playing was beautiful!
That's the most beautiful guitar I've ever seen! And the inlay idea is wonderful. I'm sure your client is quite impressed with your work. I know I am.
Thanks so much for the lovely comment Aaron!
Wow...great sound. One word comes to my mind: presence....great upload, thanks!
Beautiful instrument. So glad I found your channel. Thanks for sharing
The tone makes me want to cry, that's *gorgeous*
Your artisan skills are very inspirational to watch.
Excellent video. I didn’t know what to expect with the disclaimers about microphone placement, etc. but it really sounds nice. I’m sure your client will be over the moon when they finally take possession.
It does sound lovely. Looks very nice as well.
Sounds absolutely beautiful! Congratulations with your award!
The guitar sounds great Daisy, and looks good. Job very well done I say.
So glad you like it!
Amazing sound. Like it very much!
You play vary well!! So multi talented !!
I REALLY like this channel. Great geeky combo for me, because I'm primarily a player, but I'm also keenly interested in how guitars are made and how they work and what goes on in workshops. I'm a sometime basic woodworker/leather worker/metal worker who has also been a golf club repair/building tech, so "shoppy" things really interest me. I also think your personality and on camera presence/aura is absolutely terrific. You run a wonderful channel here, and I wish you every success.
Love the Antique paper inlay idea!
Great tone, beautiful playing.
"Vincent" is one of my favorite songs to play and you did a really nice demo of it on that guitar. The sound is overall very nice as well
What a beautiful sound, I could listen to you play that guitar for the rest of my days
Beautiful sounding Guitar. Great work
I have a Gibson acoustic made in the late 60's and your guitar sounds surprisingly like mine. Yours is really beautiful. Well done!
You are a delight to watch. Just found your channel and am enjoying watching you work.
Aloha Daisy! I enjoy your back story, your journey that led you to where you are now….great work on your Luthier skills! Some months ago, I was at Guitar Center here in Hawaii and checking out guitars in the used section(my normal routine) and I picked up a Yamaha classical and a Fender acoustic. I strummed the Yamaha first and my reaction was “Wow!” I put it down and picked up the Fender Malibu and strummed it and went “WHOAH!” Amazing sound out of both, the volume was loud, good resonance and vibration that you can feel in the body, through the neck and very light. I went by sight(the tags were flipped behind the neck so I couldn’t read what I was grabbing. What attracted me to these two guitars was the very yellowish or amber colored tops, both are spruce I believe. I was attracted to the Fender because the headstock was shaped like a Strat. I finally looked at the tags and the Yamaha was from 1971 and the Fender was a ‘65. I always read about guitarists picking up a certain guitar and a voice within them saying this is it….this is the one! I purchased the Fender right away and thought hard about the Yamaha, even harder on the way home. I told myself I’ll go back tomorrow and get it but it was gone the next day….huge regret! The Manager(good friends with him) came out from the back and I said did you hear this thing? how about this one as well? He did not get to try them but he told me what I already figured out….”it’s the wood Mike, it is so old and dried out nicely by now that it is prime for resonance!” What was really funny was that the bridge saddle on the Fender was so short and thin for the slot that it was leaning badly….wrong size replacement! The three employees (they all know me and are good friends) at the checkout counter tried it and were blown away at how great it sounded! OK….the vintage sound? Well, on these two vintage guitars, they sounded great! They definitely stood out from the rest in resonance in comparison to the newer, modern ones. I have actually read some tags on other guitars in the past before picking them up and some were old….maybe late ‘70s-80s but they did not stand out from the newer models. Sometimes it is hit or miss. I am so sorry that this is so long winded. Mahalo nui loa for sharing your time. Keep up with your outstanding work Daisy….Aloha nui
Fantastic work. . .I love the paper (from a vintage atlas page) it gives the guitar a very unique signature. . .keep up the good work, and don't stop learning. . .
This a stunning sound
Knowledgeable, gifted, good playing and a great video overall. Best of luck and keep it up.
Only because I wanted something like this for myself, I went with a 00 12 fret, torrified Adirondack, mahogany b&s, ebony board and bridge. Hide glue and a super thin shellac finish, strung with Monel steel strings
At the music store I work we had both cheap/mid priced and expensive baked top guitars and there's always something special to them. For those who disagree, go out and try for example a Yamaha LL6 or something like that. They have that punchy and dry tone of an older instrument, still they don't really sound like a 70 year old Gibson or Martin, but the point is that it does make a difference. And if you want to go for something expensive, try the baked top custom shop Gibson's for example (used to be vintage series, now they have years in the name). Of course with years of playing and drying they will sound even better, but there is a definite difference between the baked and non baked tops. Cheers, keep it going
Your playing is beautifully done! The guitar is awesome sounding, imo…
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Love the guitar. It is beautiful and I would love to own it. The vintage sound to me, or what I believe, is in the development of complex overtones which develop as the wood ages.
As someone who love the vintage sound and feeling and would love to find a way to recreate it with sustainable woods torrefaction is a really interesting topic. By roasting the wood you cause a maillard reaction, that's the same thing that happens to food when you brown it and it becomes so much more delicious, so if anything it would taste better 😋
Could be a feast if only humans could digest cellulose!
It really smells like baked cakes/biscuits when it comes out the oven!
Sometimes they char the oak used for whiskey barrels to give it a different flavor
Great work, Daisy. Really impressed with the build and the tonality of this guitar. Full support to you and the content of your channel. Horns up from a new Subscriber! ⛧🤘
Beautiful guitar Daisy!
I'd like to hear the guitar both before and after the wood going through torrification. It would certainly help tip the scales on the marketing/better tone debate.
"Warm but punchy" tone is a nice combination of attributes to end up with.
Well done! I’ve been playing guitar acoustic and electric‘s for almost 50 years now. And I can definitely say an aged instrument that was played often and deeply, definitely sounds should I say sweeter especially in the mid range, the voicing More articulate and an aged instrument. Nowhere near as sharp, especially in acoustic instruments. But I can also tell of the extended sustain and melodic qualities of my electric’s that are older.
It’s a joy to see a young girl such as yourself becoming a luthier! Much success and happiness to you. Carry-on I’ll be looking for more
Nice video! I really like the sound of that guitar. Great work!
Torrified wood is also seeing some use in electric instruments as well, more for stability than for there being any more resonance imparted to the wood. In the case of Yamaha, the Billy Sheehan Signature series bass uses torrified wood, though the bonus is stability versus tone, since pickups make the tone.
I made a Les Paul replica with a maple top that was torrefied, it sounded slightly less resonant and responsive compared to all the others I made using normally seasoned wood. Nothing except the top was of any significant difference to my others. It also had a dark caramel color that won't go away no mater what if it's sunburst or other non-opaque color. There might be some benefit to using a cooked maple neck on Fender style guitars since it would probably be more stable, needing less or no truss rod adjustments and or tuning but again, it would look much darker. I made one Stratocaster neck, quarter sawn cooked maple with a Brazilian rosewood fretboard, I did not notice any significant improvement in tone and it was not as stable as my real '61 Strat's neck. So, at that point I figured this whole idea is..um...half baked.
Very informative video. The guitar looks and sounds great. You are amazing.
I've used the tonerite and had some great results maturing the soud (also a few less so). Its a gadget which vibrates the guitar and simulate years of playing.
Sounds “woody” and sparkly at the same time!👏🎸
Congrats on your award! Excellent video - thanks!
FINALLY watched this whole video! Congrats on the COTR. Don't worry about your playing....I wish I could fingerpick as well as you.
Great video and discussion! Your guitar has a lovely tone!!
wow..such a beautiful sound! Well done. great bass and clear highs the middle range has a real presence. there is no perfect formula. i think it is a great adventure to try to find what you love. if a client likes your sound and the look of your instruments they will come. i do not think they will have to be chased down. that is so boring.
Excellent use of the thumbnail! And the guitar does sound very balanced. On a separate note, I have one of those white Axminster bandsaws and although it looks ok, the frame has so little rigidity that the table can be moved/wobbled with one finger. Thankfully it was a cheap eBay purchase so I'm not too far out of pocket.
It sounded beautiful
That's a lovely sounding guitar! I made a Mandola, using vintage piano soundboard , lovely quarter sawn spruce. I think it's a bit mellower sounding than a new wood Mandola.
The only place I've run into torrified wood is apparently Lee Valley uses torrified maple for their plane handles and knobs. Neat to hear that it has relevance in guitar tones.
Hello Daisey, Mike from Mule Kick Guitars USA. Thought I'd share this with you. Several years ago I was able to purchase, from a timber reclaiming company, several board feet of Yellow Birch that had been retrieved from the bottom of Lake Superior that had been down there perfectly preserved since the middle 1800's. I've built quite a few guitar necks with this unique wood and it has a stunningly gorgeous look and tone, like nothing else I've ever seen.
I legitimately heard a prewar Martin almost it definitely raised my ear. Beautiful sound
OK that is a great sounding guitar. Beautifully bright, and deeply resonant at the same time. Of course you can modify how it sounds to us with the microphone you use, but on first hearing that's a winner. And it's in tune!
I was not expecting to hear THAT sound. I've never seen this channel before- but that guitar has the same feel to it's sound, as a vintage Martin. I was truly surprised at the tone you elicited from it- and as far as your playing? Yeah- just fine. Strings buzz- happens....
But the want that guitar sounded when you were playing? I'd expect many more orders, for guitars just like that. I would SO love to hear that through my old Roland J-55 amp... damn. Excellent job.
It sound beautiful
A few years ago I was in Chicago Music Exchange and playing every Gibson J45 they had. What I found was the vintage ones did have a lot more resonance and sustain than the new ones, and the ones that were around 20 years old but had the exact same specs, finish, tuners etc had an obvious advantage over a brand new one tonally. There is something about a n acoustic guitar that has had vibration through the wood. That being said Torrified wood splits the difference and devices like the Tonerite seem to help players get there a bit quicker also. I just got my second guitar with Torrified wood, the first one showed up and didn’t sound bad out of the box… 48 hours later I could hear it changing… It changed a LOT in just a year and all I’ve done is play it. My second one I bought used so it already feels a little broken in, but I still thing there’s more it can do still. One thing I’ve learned is that baked spruce tops hardly ever go out of tune!
I can’t describe a “vintage” tone either, but I did have a local luthier here in Minneapolis build me a GREAT guitar using a torrified spruce top. The back and sides are cocobolo, and it is not only a work of art, but a great sounding guitar. And it looks like you did a bang up job on that guitar. You play it very well too. For my money, there is no such thing as entry level music-every player just needs to play music that sounds good to them. And nice touch using atlas pages for that rosette!
Fantastic video and topic. Big congrats on the award.
Really lovely sounding instrument, with it’s own identity.
I’m starting to think it’s not so much the wood used, but what the luthier does with it.
Taylor have just released guitars made from ironbark ? That sound incredible.
Awesome content, interesting informative and engaging. You’d make a great teacher.
Peace and love from London.
This is such a lovely comment, thank you! Cheers from across London too!
Ironbark is eucalyptus wood.
@@edt.5118 Thanks for the info.
Iron bark , sounds like a character from game of Thrones .
Fantastic tone on this one. Gonna have to take a look at torrified wood
Nothing wrong with your playing. That was beautiful and I could listen to your playing for hours
Love your content! An easy thing to try if your chasing vintage acoustic tone is the strings. I gave Martin retro lights on a 000 12 Mh - a game changer for that guitar. I always liked the tone but with the monel steel strings- for me , it’s perfect .