GUTS Vs ZODD Is More Important Than You Think
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If you think about it, Apostles are cowards. Every single one had to make a sacrifice to get what they want. Guts acquired his strength through hard work. Zodd is a warrior, however his strength is lazily won. That’s what makes Guts human.
I think that lazily won i dea can be argued, like for Griffith to get to where he was from where he started was an insane undertaking, and then he made a ruthless decision to get that extra power. To become am apostle or godhand, you have to be in a dire situation with something important to lose which was likely not easy to gain, for some of them at least, I would say rosine would be a notable exception. And to your credit, a lot of apostles certainly become cowards who abuse their power in a hedonistic way, but I dont think you can say that about zodd based on how he conducts himself. I think he gained the foundation of his ability as a human, amd pushed himself further on as an apostle. I don't see him having any kind of fear of dying, even if guts had him on the ropes. I think his back story is probably somewhere between guts and gambino, like he was a skilled warrior, but maybe fell ill or got old or got crippled, so the despair of being denied a warriors death is what drove him to become am apostle.
@@dancreary3340 Love your response.
That’s what makes Guts a monster*
Exactly what I thought
@@dancreary3340 Zodd transformed into his apostle form immediately when Guts stabbed him in the first fight. He definitely has a fear of dying.
I love the dynamic between Guts and Zodd. Guts riding Zodd to fight Ganishka is easily one of the most badass moments in the entire series. Right now I wanna say that when they do have their eventual duel, I think Guts will win, however I'm not sure if Zodd will necessarily die as a result.
I hope he doesnt die, because hes one of my favourite characters. But Berserk is Berserk, so i believe he probably will be killed by guts.
I say he wont die by the dragonslayer. He will die by someone elses hand.
skull knight will stop them
I feel that zodd will eventually team up with guts again. Knowing the type of warrior zodd is
I actually think he’ll sacrifice himself for a noble cause. Either bucking the control of the God Hand, protecting the Star Child, or feeling honorbound to help Guts for some reason.
I think Zodd *wants* to die, but he's not willing to just give up his life. Being an apostle, he knows about their nature and knows that with being an apostle there is physical strength, but not spiritual or mental. In the worst case he just says "It's zoddin' time!" and then zodds all over the floor. He's searching for ultimate strength, it makes perfect sense to ally with Griffith, granted he sees the ultimate strength potential in Guts. It puts him in an adverse position to Guts.
I see both Zodd and Skull Knight as "Guts gone wrong"; Zodd gave his humanity and in turn became a monster and perhaps grew remorseful over his decision. SK gave up on his humanity and is now a hollow shell, which doesn't have any real reason to exist anymore.
As for the finale, I think it'll be Zodd's blood to give the Dragonslayer the final and needed tempering.
Was just watching a Bleach recap and I think Zodd will be Guts’ Unohana, too.
That last sentence-wow! I never thought of that.
@@california816 I know right
"It's zoddin time!" Is quite possibly the worst thing I have ever read yet the rest of this comment is perfect.
@@johnny_my_penls_is_small_but its hilarious
Both Zodd and Skull Knight symbolize two different forks in a road that Guts can take. Will Guts give in and use a Behelit damning himself and forsaking his loved ones as a sacrifice like Zodd or will he continue to fight against the Godhand humanity intact until his mortal body can't hold up to the stress of the Berserker armor and be forced to find another means to maintain his will to defeat the Godhand. Knowing Guts' character and the basis it has with philosophy he will forge his own unique road struggling all the while.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Chudor/Tudor battle! Guts’ sword breaks, and Zodd, observing the battle at a distance, throws his sword at Guts so the swordsman is able to defend himself. Zodd has invested in Guts’ survival more than once. The second investment (after giving into the causality of the crimson behelit), the Tudor battle, was a belief that Guts would someday prove challenging, and thus, not boring for Zodd to fight. But as you mentioned, the scale is now teetering in Guts’ favor. And Zodd has full agency. Excellent video!
I think all his actions before eclipse was just to obey and help the chain of events that would make griffith the god hand. Zodd was convinced guts would die then, so the theory of better fight is a nope
The weird thing is that Guts deliberately left the sword (Zodd's) behind (on the castle ramparts I believe) after the battle. Bro! keep that thing - at least until the old man forges the one and only for you!
@@albertobernal2537 right!?
@The Black Swordsman according to void (and the idea of evil) events were set precisely for the eclipse to happen in exact place and time, slightest detail matters. Guts dying there = no human vessel for griffith's rebirth. Gut's had to be sacrificed, he was most precious member of the bend.
@The Black Swordsman sacrifice must be the most important thing, and as for becoming a godhand it also needed to be something big, all that blood and meat went through him at the altar.
There are no loose ends. Femto doesn't give a f about guts as a treat at all (see the most recent chapter - it's back) and who knows, maybe he wants himself to die by his hand someday as he fulfills his dream fully.
When griffith was becoming femto (idea of evil chapter) he said he want's to die - if there was no error in translation, a long path is set for guts and everything femto does is to push him forward to fight and become stronger... even the lost hand contributed somehow to that, without the cannon he would be dead by now.
I can imagine Zodd walking down a dark hallway littered with the mutilated corpses of dozens of apostles. (Just like Guts was forced to walk down a hall littered with the bodies of his own men, before meeting Zodd for the first time) He reaches the end to find Guts, almost completely consumed by the beast of darkness in his Berserker Armor. This time Zodd is in the same situation as Guts was all those years ago. His objective is no longer victory, but rather survival.
That would be cool
I find this canon
Future canon
that would be so hard 😭😭
hell yeah
I’ve always seen Zodd as the replacement Guts for Griffith, they kind of look alike and he’s now the captain of the new band of the hawks
Griffith: You left me, but I got over it. I got a new big, tough warrior. He's so strong, so loyal, so always by my side!
*Griffith sees Guts flying on Zodd*
Griffith: Oh, come on.
I either see Guts killing him, or Zodd betraying the godhand and doing his own thing, kind of in a similar fashion to how Guts left Griffith to follow his own path.
Remember how Zodd remarks that he’s taking the same path as skull knight when Guts dons the armour. Zodd has never fought Guts in the berserker armour, but we’ve seen him slaughter apostles, monsters, a sea god, and put Grunbeld on the back foot while wearing it (albeit shattering his bones and almost dying, but still, I think in power terms Grunbeld is second). In the first battle between Skull knight and Zodd, skull bro wins, even Rickert remarks that he outclassed Zodd, cut off his arm without a scratch himself. I still think skull knight is stronger even against the berserker armour, probably due to that dimension cutting sword and the fact that he knows everything. But I also think Guts is closing that gap, enough to kill Zodd if it came to it.
Or, Zodd leaves. The creepy witch girl that loves Griffith when speaking to Zodd said, roughly, “the one that you are drawn to, your counterpart”. You touched on it in the video, but there’s clear parallels between them. Maybe Zodd himself, who ultimately only seeks the strong to fight them (strange how he doesn’t fight Griffith then, maybe he knows he’ll die very quickly), he might up and leave, continue his path and seek further strength. Maybe a defeat by Guts could spark that search, maybe discontent at ending up a servant. Who knows.
Either way, rest in peace, Kentaro Miura.
I agree with your take i think it is fully in zodds character to either team up with guts again or to do his own thing not aligned with griffith
zodd DID fight griffith, he follows griffith because griffith beat him in a fight and cut off one of his horns,
One thing you missed. Guts actually slices at Zodd's LEFT horn in their first fight and his sword just bounces off without making a dent. That is the same horn that Griffith later cuts off. A small detail, but i started to pay attention to Right arm vs Left arm and that kind of thing and noticed that little bit.
Like someone else already wrote, Zodd me guy act like a warrior with a code but by the fact that he is an apostle it’s obvious that he can and has broken it when in need. I think Zodd vs Guts also serve to represent performative ethics (Zodd) vs. Let’s say someone with a more ambiguous philosophy who still ends up being righteous most of the time (Guts).
What if Zodd fought in a duel and his opponent agreed to it but cheated in the last second to survive. At that point dying to a cheater is bad and maybe he did not want to lose to a cheater. But for him it would be worth it to die in a honorable duel with same rules
@@RandomGameClips27 I don’t think that’s how the fights in berserk work, you could argue Zodd turning into a giant demon is cheating, he isn’t looking for a fair fight or an honourable duel, just a strong opponent
Guts to Grunbeld: "Monster shouldn't go pretending to be warriors."
I think Guts’ philosophy remains righteous because it is in line with the philosophy of living: keep moving.
Could be a similar situation to the Count. Someone he loved more than anything else betrayed him in some soul shattering way so in his rage and despair he made the sacrifice.
Thinking about it it's not totally unlike Griffiths too. He sees guts walking away the same way and I'm 85% sure he's 100% gay for Guts.
there was a scene i think you forgot, how zodd killed wyald because of the rule "do as you will" among apostles. I think that was a major moment explaining a few more things about their dynamic, one might say he may or may not of saved guts as a form of... preserving a warrior so that he may be a great fight later on maybe? regardless every scene he's been in so far has been an awesome one
The honest truth is, when muira released the chapter where Griffith speaks to the idea of evil and it said do as you will he said it was a mistake to release it because Griffith will go against the God hand. So many people will be pissed but Griffith will be redeemed to a sense. That issue was meant to justify Griffiths actions which to me, sucks ass. Hopefully it won't be so easy when the story gets continued. I mean the moon child was Griffith and deep down he still loves them enough to protect them to some degree. I'm sorry I'm going on a limb.
I like how there was inspiration from Theseus and the Minotaur even down to where they first come in contact having that hallway sort of resemble the labyrinth
For me the first encounter with Zodd was a roller coaster of emotions. When I first saw him I was like "that's it?" and was extremely disappointed. But by the time he left I was in awe at how much he turned that around. I loved that how he was written alone made it quite clear that this was no average dumb brute.
Their first encounter is one of my favorite moments of the manga and i appreciate you for covering their dynamic
It's like you said. I believe Guts will defeat Zodd, showing he is in fact stronger than Zodd. And then Zodd in his defeat will respect Guts not just for his strength, but also that he defeated him while retaining his humanity.
I think that's a big part of their dynamic. Zodd sees Guts in himself, and since he couldn't get his strength in his human form and turned into an Apostle to do so, Guts does it while keeping his humanity. And that I think will be their eventual team up against Griffith. Completing a cycle these 3 have had with each other from the beginning.
Great video as always ⚔️
Imagine if their final fight is like the first one reversed. Zodd is sent to deal with Guts and walks into a room full of dead apostles. At the end of the room he finds Guts waiting for him.
I think there is also supposed to be a parallel in guts getting the berserker armor in order to reach such power levels to match the apostles. Zodd and every other apostle makes a sacrifice for power and are transformed into some wicked form. A selfish sacrifice that grants them extreme power. Whereas Guts does almost the exact same thing except he sacrifices his own body and mind in the armor for this power, that’s the difference between guts and the apostles. They get their power at the expense of others and he gains strength by sacrificing himself for others. Guts is almost exactly the same as any apostle, especially Zodd, in his need for power, but it’s this choice of sacrifice that makes him a hero. He’s still a monster like Zodd but becoming that monster makes him a hero.
The fact Guts Got up to fight after the hurt ganishka was insanely badass. I love that Zodd didn't use that chace to kill him either
about what you said referring to the future btw Guts and Zod, I don't believe that Zod would want to go against Griffith , because he has shown in the past that he would never go against the course of causality... just like he left because of that from the first time they met in the castle.
I don't believe Zodd is anywhere near as bad as the others, and I don't think Guts would have too much trouble teaming with him to take out Griffith. That said, I don't see it going down exactly as you say, I do not at all believe that Zodd would be scared when he loses, Zodd seems to want to be killed in battle, he'd be excited. No, I believe that he'd end up respecting Guts so much for all he's accomplished, without the need for the God Hand powers, that he'll look to allie himself as a form of "redemption".
Perhaps there is something that could make Zodd sweat though, along the same lines as the Slug Count and his daughter finding out what her father is and being sacrificed.
Zodd always felt like a force of nature on the battle field rather than a malevolent force. It’s not that he’s bad so much as where can he find the most carnage and the most interesting fight.
What did zodd even do or sacrifice to earn that beastial form ? Im a little new to berserk and just finished the 97 golden age... i dont have alot of manga knowledge just what i see on YT
Nevermind i just hit the part of the video where he says we dont know
@@REDACTEDFILE literally just read
Thanks for the videos Ryan. Love your stuff man. Idk what it is but I always find some comfort when hearing them.
I feel like zodd wants to kill Griffith and it's just hanging around to find a weakness and then when he does be will try to kill Griffith and fail but the other apostle who wants to kill Griffith saw the fight.
Either zodd tries to kill Griffith or fight guts and guts kills him and zodd decides to reward him with the secret to defeat a God hand member
I do believe a Zodd defection is an eventuality. Sonia once told him essentially a time is going to come that he is going to choose between Griffith and Guts and in one of the chapters when the new Band of the Hawk are fighting the giants, Grunbeld breaths fire in Zodd's direction with no warning that Zodd barely avoids, he looks pretty pissed off about it, which I think hinted at possible dissatisfaction on Zodd's part in the new Hawks.
Rip miura, I’m glad your story will be concluded and we have the opportunity to talk about what could happen next in these chapters.
I think Guts and Zodd teaming up is interesting. It seems like Skull Knight and Zodd have some history together too - so I wonder what would happen between those 3 if this did come to pass.
I always thought it would be an interesting possibility that Zodd was Guts' father. They both share a hint of similarities the woman and village hung in the tree could have been part of Zodds sacrifice? Guts excape being the beginning of his loophole in the fabric of fate.
I was just looking to see if anyone else thought this as well - the only difference between us is that I think that Zodd was already a demon when he met Guts' Mother. I think the reason she was believed to be a witch was because Zodd had courted her and her village discovered he was a demon and killed her in revenge.
N'ah Guts father was on the same tree as his mother.
Zodd has been existing for hundreds of years, so no
@@CalmNoises yes and if guts was his son he won't be humen like what happened when femto raped casca moonlight child is not a humen
Great breakdown, it gave me more to think about! The progression of that battle relationship is definitely something of a twist. I would LOVE to see Guts and Zodd team up again at some point!
8:05 this is an excellent point and really highlights why we see Zodd differently than other apostles... Keep binging the heat Ryan!
I have to thank you for this video. Not because I needed the explanation, but because you spoke about Berzerk like it's going to continue. That led me to google it, because I thought it ended with the author's death. So thank you for being the reason I know Berzerk will continue past the current arc.
I love this. I feel like there's a message also about where either of their strength is derived. When Guts goes berserk its his hatred allowing the armor to take over and even Guts thinks about the source of his strength as being hatred. When Schierke first bonds with the armor to help control it, she even tells him to make it his volition rather than his hatred the source of his strength, and that allows them to stay in control of the armor. Its not just that Guts refuses to sacrifice his volition or his love, it's increasingly that that volition is the source of his strength. On the other hand, Guts body is deteriorating, maybe irreversibly, putting him in a sticky place at the limit of his strength. Guts isn't a typical overpowered protagonist, I think that his companions are increasingly going to be crucial to future battles.
Hell yeah it is, it’s like two brothers fighting each other
I think it's really interesting how Zodd is presented throughout the fights as well. First fight he's in his "human form" and that seemed to be an unstoppable beast, then he turns apostle become completely dominant. Fast forward to this latest encounter, he doesn't even bathing being in his weaker form, straight to the beast. Now it's likely that he did that cause he had to fly to the island, but I think it's a nice lil bit of visual story telling that backs up your points here. Guts is getting stronger, and much much better
And also getting weaker without the berserker armor
You stated all the events and your explanation about their battles and progression was on point! yeah I also subbed.
Thank you! 🙏
@@RealLifeRyan np mate!
I think Zodds flight is probably going to be crucial.
As far as I can remember we’ve only seen femto fly once, right after his transformation to descend to guts and casca.
That’s kind of important since griffiths big request was “I want wings” and yet he never uses his own. He always uses Zodd to fly
Zodd’s flying was the reason he teamed up with Guts to defeat ganishka. Guts had the sword but could reach high enough so needed Zodd.
There could be some symbolism with Griffith always flying on Zodd and not using his own wings. He literally wants other people to lift him up which mirrors his sacrifice. His path up to the castle is on top of a mountain of corpses.
But that doesn’t change the fact that he has wings of his own. If Zodd and guts team up to fight again it could be another airborn battle against griffith
Good video, I think you should also mention how Zodd gave Guts a sword when he needed to be saved against the Purple Rhinos foreshadowing their shift in positions regarding their loyalty for Griffith (Zodd's sword winning a critical battle for Griffith).
Zodd reminds me of Akuma. Both have the same type of personality when comes to battling strong opponents.However, what separates them, Akuma earned his strength with hard work and dedication. Zodd took the cowards way out and became a monster through sacrifice. Zodd is weak willed while Akuma is not.
Skull Knight never drawed with Zodd,Zodd got his ass kick each time they fought it just that Skull Knight never killed him for whatever reason.
Thats your bad headcanon since SK never defeated Zodd in the story thats why they are literally rivals...
My theory was always that Zodd was the the actual father of Guts. Guts was born in mysterious circumstances - his mother raped, later hanged and gave birth to a child found by the mercenary band. I guess the first anime showed a lot of physical similarities between Zodd and Guts. Some coloured manga slides used in the anime were also hinting that resemblance. And that strange bond between the two. Dunno, smells to me like something that happened between the lines.
great analysis ! i had never thought about zord being this type of foil for guts.
if skull knight is like a guts of the past with void being his griffith and factoring in that a new member of the godhand being born every i forgot how many years but only special godhand members like femto and, possibly in the past, void then maybe the same general events that happened to guts and maybe skull knight with the loss of his kingdom happens every cycle, not just the special ones for femto and void.
if this is true then maybe zodd really is another version of past guts. one that chose to leave behind their humanity
I remember, a few panels after Guts kills Adonis by accident, that Guts saw himself for a brief moment to be as terrible of a monster as Zodd was. Back then he was doing Griffith's bidding, so is Zodd at the present moment. Coincidence? Or Foreshadowing? 🤔
I think Zodd is part of Geiseric, his beast of Darkness. It's pretty well worn ground that much of Berserk is based on Jungian writing. Well, I think Geiseric failed his individuation. His mind split into two parts after years of struggling after their eclipse. He split into the Skull Knight who is the embodiment of his will (higher consciousness) and Zodd, who is is the embodiment of his beast of darkness (his shadow.)
The fact that Zodd submits to Griffith and the events of the eclipse happened after Guts left his influence is important. Because giving in to the beast of darkness is submitting your will to causality. It is mans will to be more than his baser desires that elevates us.
Guts is walking the same knife edge that Gesierc walked. Where his need for revenge is driving him forward, but the rage is constantly threatening to consume his will.
Guts has to fully individuate. He needs to accept his shadow without letting it consume him. Separating your shadow from your ego, as SK seems to have, isn't what Jung argued was important. He specifically talked about accepting it as part of you but not allowing it to take the wheel. This process will be what puts Guts on even footing with Griffith.
I don't know if Guts will eventually beat Zodd, but I think Zodd's ultimate fate will be with SK. Whether they re-merge, or kill each other. I don't know.
There's too much in the air to call it either way.
im suprised this is so far down. i thought this was the unproven, but accepted lore
@@AEM136 I haven't seen many people talking about it tbh. When I first thought about it I search online and found like one thread where someone was making a similar case. They had a picture of Geiseric's helmet and it had a cat beast motif atop a skull. Which I'd missed tbf.
So there's atleast aesthetic iconography that supports the idea.
I think I've seen one other lore channel mention the idea in passing before too I think.
But it doesn't seem to be too popular an idea, even though when you notice it, it seems really obvious.
@@Cernunnnos this is where i saw it
ruclips.net/video/qVeF18fec1o/видео.html&ab_channel=TranquilDionysian
Sonia told Zodd he would have to choose "to again battle the sword that once cut your flesh or to make it your own weapon," between "beast and warrior" as does his "counterpart" Guts. Guts will fight Zodd again, and he may face the choice of either giving in to the beats of darkness and killing Zodd or sparing him (beast or warrior). His decision to spare him may be what wins Zodd over.
Guts went up against a god, and he did so by slaying a giant heart covered with eyes, a description that matches the Idea of Evil. I could see Guts doing something similar to the Idea of Evil, but there's just one problem. The Idea of Evil exists in the Abyss, and while Guts's armor can do many things, it can't fly.
Zodd, on the other hand, can. He can take Guts to the Idea of Evil on his back like he did with Ganeshka, even though he knows it might potentially mean he won't be an apostle anymore of the Idea dies.
The Idea of Evil is noncanonical and should be treated as such, tbh
@@jokhard8137 Nah. It will definitely be used in future chapters.
I think it’s about time for a real epic team up between the two taking out the god hand
Whenever the next (full) fight between those two happens, I know I'll be ALL IN on it!
Powerful story. Awesome commentary.
Next video: How Can Guts kills Griffith in 1 vs 1 ?
Without plot twist or physolophy way. Just logic and will.
As much as I love Guts and want him to have his peace, either by killing Griffith or anything else… 1 V 1, he just doesn’t have a shot at this point
@@grunt1493 His victory would have to be entirely metaphysical
Excellent perspective.
If Guts were an apostle, he be a Doberman demi-human, but with the THICCness of the Rottweiler?
You're totally right, Ryan. Besides, Guts never fought Zodd while possessed by the Berserker Armor. If that event unfolds, it might be when Zodd is truly defeated by the black swordsman, and finally submits, as he did with Griffith.
But the most important thing is:
Zodd and Guts are the perfect Tsundere couple we all needed in Berserk.
i domt think theres any “might” about it the two of them head to head woth guts using the berserker armor he would slaughter zodd. i mean compared to grunbeld i dont think zodd is going to hold up anywhere near as well
@@firstnamelastname-jv7ki I have to agree, if we take into account that Zodd was defeated by Guts and Griffith while they were still young, I think Zodd wouldn't be able to withstand Guts in current times with the Berserker Armor activated.
Great analysis
Agree 100%. I've been theorizing this same thing every since i first read through Berserk a coupla years ago. Just makes sense.
Like always very cool and interesting video!!!👍
Would be nice to see the story continue. I guess it is continuing, in fact the pace has picked up since I last read it. I am wondering where the story will go. It just went from a nice feeling to really sad again.
Zodd and Skull Knight are foils to Guts to show how he can fail in his endeavors.
I think it’s gonna end up with Zodd and SK looking up Guts and regretting their own decisions.
Both (while only one is actively trying to push them the same path) have gone too have shown that it’s what they believe is the right choice so too see Gutz pick a third path that both didn’t think possible is going to cause them to reflect on their pass and choices causing both envy and respect for Gutz for being the better out of the three
i would really love it if after all is done at the end that zod turns out to be the only apostle to try to change his ways and try to repent after seeing guts’s potential win without having to become an apostle, influencing him to be a better person . just thought id be fun and cute to see zodd doing a sasuke and helping people as some sort of traveling nomad
I think this concept of humanity we have in our heads makes it easy for us to disassociate with apostles, but they are extremely human as well. In reality there are humans just as worse if not worse than the apostles we encountered so far
What a great parallel. Thats really reasonable
One of my favorite moments.
Hmmmm interesting, at first when I was reading I thought it was a little strange how Zodd just kept showing up every once in awhile but now looking at it from this perspective of the two of them at odds with each other again and again, I can see something really cool happening between the two of them before this is over
I think there's merit, and I love the trip down memory lane.
All I know is that when we do get their fight it´s gonna be hype af
you said it perfectly he is a parrallel of guts fighting spirit rage and pure will to live shierke reflect guts social insecurity griffith is for pride and ambition ..gambino reflects abusivness this is why berserk is the one of greatest stories ever the amount of symbolism in every aspect and little detail of the story is incredible you have to read it so many timmes to apprieciate the lifelong amount of work put in ... the recent chapters will never reach that level but at this point its good to know the general idea of the ending of berserk and we can fill in the blanks ourselves
Great topic. Griffith and zodd vs Guts and the skull knight.
I love this story but I don't think it's going to end well I don't want guts to suffer sometimes I can feel what he's feeling but he's not a real character and this is the reason why I love berserk so much it's amazing
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Good timing because am manga am been reading. A character named Yataro just sacrificed his daughters so can transcend his Humanity to become a demon god
Great job
That is a very astute observation
It's such a pity we'll never get a truly pure and original ending. I'm glad there are plans to finish the story fully - by alternative artists, but damn... we waited so long. I'm not sure the new mangaka will have Guts team up with Zodd against Griffith though... Sounds too good to be true.
It’s interesting how you point out how Zodd serves as a look as to what guts would be like had became an apostle. Oddly enough the same comparison can be drawn from the Skull Knight. He too also serves as something guts may becoming if he continues to be consumed by his rage & vengeance. Which is why I suspect Zodd = Skull knight ;)
The “kitty cat” bit got me
I also like this in terms of their relationship to Griffith. Their relationship is also inverse as well, with Zodd being little more than a puppet now, at the same time Guts pushes past him.
I agree with you Ryan I can’t be the only who noticed how since they got to the island the story builds up guts mastering the armor but zodd shows up and he doesn’t even use it so my guess he’ll master it b4 leaving the island to get casca and slap zodd something crazy there next battle
Edit but if that’s the case either guts would be stronger than skull knight or skull knight holds back on zodd when they fight and we actually might get a cool skull knight moment
I think you should also talk about the idea that zodd and guts are/were both rights hand to griffith, the best pawns in griffith's master plan
Brilliant, I never caught any of that
Interesting take but I just cant see Zodd teaming up in any sort of real way. The first team up was coincidence, circumstance and a shared enemy. If anything, I see Guts giving Zodd his honorable death and Zodd finding some peace after a life of sin. Another situation is Zodd defying Grifith, maybe not exactly teaming with Guts, but maybe just a moment of hesitation against Guts in a fight - which at that point causes Griffith to kill Zodd out of anger at his defiance - This would play into Griffiths willingness to sacrifice or execute his closest ally and showing Guts that Griffith truly is the monster he has become. Seeing Zodd hesitate and be slain, would give Guts that extra push to defeat Griffith.
Cant wait to see zodds real/pre apostle body
"Cautionary tales don't end with 'it was so awesome.'"
Excellent video
Guts might become the Old Griffith and duel Zodd on the condition of winning his sword in Battle. Zodd being probably lives by the mercenary Code and would oblige.
Or possibly neither can overcome the other, and a deal is made, they kill Griffith together, and the Skull knight together, perhaps both Zodd and Guts are characterized by having a godlike mortal enemy that outclasses them they cannot defeat alone.
I remember an interview with Mr Miura where he said he views Guts and Griffith as roles people play depending on whether or not they are in power. It would be interesting to see Guts take on Griffith like roles. That would also tie into guts becoming the equal that opposes Griffith
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4:04 so if that's the case by your headcanon then who's the sad sack of (Bowel movement) who's inner demon was an uncooked chicken in the eclipse?
Aw man you didn’t mention one of my favorite parts when Guts and Zodd finished teaming up and Guts used the last bit of his strength to stand up and antagonize Zodd. Like he had no fear whatsoever of him anymore compared to when they first met.
It would be cool if Guts would get a powerup something like he can combine his astral body with his own body since he s always been so close to death ( being born from underneath a dead corpse ) and make him have what powers he would have as an "apostle" or "godhand" like his way to tap into the " evil " power, so he can slash Griffith but still be theoretically a Human. And he gets rid of the armor aka his beast and he finally gets redemption... That would be a happy ending I guess.
Can't wait wonder what will be on the pizza.
It would be crazy if the tale narrator turned out to be Zodd. Unlike the other Apostles, Zodd understands the weakness and permanent of the transformations. He also refuses to abandon his personal code despite whom he serves.
Okay this is a weird connection but this reminds me of when the luna wolves from WARHAMMER encounter a daemon for the first time
"Guts would grow to love and have strong loyalty to Casa and vice versa." Casa doesn't love Guts equally. Gut loves her far more and her love isn't even close. The fact that he didn't let himself go into a regressive state to hide from all the trauma events. Even while baby sitting a her while she was in the mental state of a toddler doing everything he could for her. To getting her to the place she needed to be so that she could get her mind back. When she does finally get her mind back and they attempt to reunite, we see all her fond memories of Guts then all the events that put her into that state. Then she has ptsd collapses etc, we all remember what happened. But Guts CHOOSE to not let the events and all the hard ships his faced up to this point to stop him. Even when he realizes that he can no longer be near her bc the sight of him triggers his ptsd and if he attempts to talk to her he has to tip toe the conversation otherwise she gets flashbacks again. So he chooses to distance himself bc he loves and cares for her so much that if her just being back to normal AND meaning that he can no longer be anywhere near her he is satisfied. Not once after Casa collapsing do we see her trying to push herself to recover so that she can be with the man you are claiming that she loves equally. (Yes its only been a few days maybe not even a week since she got her memories back. Random asshole on the internet.) However we know that she was semi cognitive while in her toddler state bc she said so.(chapter 359 from Casa talking to Gut " The things during our journey it's like i was dreaming i was someone else it's hazy." Even in 355 she says something very similar. Then she remembers Judeau and ptsd attack happens. When she gains her memory back she knows everything that "Elaine" saw and felt.) From that you can say that she was there mentally sometimes but didn't fight to get back and over come the trauma to see her beloved partner as Gut did and continues to do (until the latest releases.). Dont get me wrong it would be fucking sweet if she really did love Guts equally. Maybe the up coming chapter over the next 25 years will prove that she does. Obliviously we needed her in that state to progress the story and character development. Anyways thanks for reading my Ted talk. Great video btw.
I agree 100% Maaan I’ve thought about this concept for so long. I honestly don’t think Zodd serves the godhand bc he wants to I think he does bc he has too. I’m pretty sure it’s clear to everybody that Zodd has a lot of respect for guts but I don’t think it’s just bc he’s a phenomenal swordsman. I think the other reason is the same reason SK has such a great respect for Guts & that is Guts consistently fighting against causality, up until this point in the series theirs no character other than Guts who’s been strong enough to not succumb to causality but to overcome it. Guts has done it & continues to keep doing it I believe that SK & Zodd see that and truly respect it bc he’s doing what they couldn’t at some point in their lives they gave in to causality. In chapter 277 Guts is referred to as Zodds counterpart I think Guts will defeat Zodd like how he did on the hill of swords but he’ll defeat him while he’s in full apostle form & when he does I think we’ll see Zodds true colors about everything & he might jump ship from the godhand and join Guts. That’s My theory anyways.
... that's his going to accept the darkness within him as part of him, and he's going to become stronger because he will retain his mind even while the berserker armor is making him stronger.
He will be past the ordinary, it into a cold fury the Mets him keep his mind yet wield the power he has.
At 8:02 , i have an idea of what that reason could be. Zodd lives for battles and wars right? Well if Griffith sees his dream through and creates a, "Utopia" kingdom, uniting everyone under his rule, then he'd be essentially ending all battles and wars, which Zodd lives for. I think that would be a good enough reason for him to align with Guts.
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The most badass moment for guts is when he lands on zodds back and puts his sword to his neck and says unless you want your head to get lobbed off you will fight with me to defeat ganishka which is a moment that will stand the test of Mangas and time forever.
I get a Luke vs Vader familiarity when looking at the 3 duels of Guts and Zodd. Minus the father part.
Its impossible to explain this in the last vol. The guy continuing it said he is only doing one final vol. unless he changed his mind
Great video
What if the connection between Zod and Skull Knight is a little more literal? What if as part of whatever happened to Skull Knight he split into two beings, and HIS inner demon gained a body of its own rather than him becoming a full blown apostle? Perhaps that is why Zod and Skull Knight always end in a draw when they fight. They are both born from King Gizerek. Perhaps we will see something similar happen to Guts soon where the behlit activates and his "beast of darkness" becomes a being all of its own. Perhaps as a result of combining the Berzerk armor and a behlit?
Something I've noticed is that Zodd's apostle form is unique to all the other apostles. Unlike every other apostle, Zodd does not have a contorted human face on his body at all. He's pure beast.