Also worth mentioning: part of why the coffee burn was so severe wasn’t *just* a temperature problem, but when you are an elderly person, your skin is much more fragile. Like tissue paper. And she was at a stop, spilling it in her lap, where it was soaked up immediately by her cotton sweatpants, which then held the boiling hot coffee against her skin. The incident nearly killed her. This is why, when I worked at Starbucks, I truly took issue with the people who ordered drinks at 190°. And would MAKE US REMAKE IT if it wasn’t sufficiently magmatic. It was always the worst and rudest customers too, I’m convinced they need to consume something that is reminiscent of the flames from Hell, when they’re homesick.
If McDonald’s throw the coffee on her, fine, but she spilled it on herself knowing it was extremely hot. Her fault. I’m not gonna sue my hot water heater manufacturer because I turned the hot water on and burned myself in the shower.
So with the McDonalds coffee, no one ever mentions that the coffee was around 180 degrees and she had third degree burns all over her thighs and crotch and had to be hospitalized. She initially just wanted $10,000 to cover her medical bills. McDonalds laughed in her face so her lawyers stepped it up to hire amount so that they would face damages for defamation. Also there were around a dozen other incidents of this happening to customers prior to her suit, which McDonald’s flat out ignored.
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Glad Charlie pointed out that the hot coffee lawsuit was not frivolous like the prevailing notion that it was. McDonald's was operating all their stores telling them to keep the coffee way hotter than it should be for some reason. All that lady wanted was for them to cover medical expenses but they refused so she had to take them to court.
The reason was that a lot of people would buy the coffee on their way to work. By brewing it at extreme temperatures, it would still be hot by the time customers arrived at their work places, which would make the coffee more desirable. They basically chose profits over safety.
@@buttnugget2900 yeah I'm sure, and thanks to this bullshit lawsuit everyone will be even faster to pass judgement...next time Karen tries to order fajitas I hope they tell her it's off the menu for liability reasons and to go sit in the corner and think about what she did
The coffee lady case is actually something we studied in my senior PR class in college. The coffee lady was 100% in the right, and the hate she got was completely uncalled for.
@@littlekirby6 She was in the right because of just how hot the coffee actually was and a flimsy cup, I believe is the reasoning. The coffee was actually WAY too hot. Yes she was a bit dumb for placing the cup between her legs but there is liability on McDonalds' part. I wouldn't say she was "100% in the right" but she totally had legal ground for the lawsuit. The reason people look down on this case in particular is the way the media spun it and presented it when it was ongoing and after the fact literally skipping over facts. The way it was spun at the time, and was perpetuated by the internet, is that some old lady went through the drive through and took her coffee home spilling it on the way and she got burned by it. They didn't mention that the coffee was hot enough to send her into shock, they didn't mention that it literally caused 3rd degree burns in seconds, they didn't mention that she was parked at the time, and also didn't mention that she wasn't the one driving. The way it was presented was effectively that this greedy careless old woman spilled some normal temperature coffee on herself, got upset and sued McDonalds for no reason. Spilling coffee you make at home on yourself burns, but you tend not to get more than 2nd degree even for a slightly prolonged contact. This woman had scalding hot coffee pressing into her legs and crotch due to it soaking into her sweatpants. Again, while I disagree that it was 100% McDonalds' fault, as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you need to assist your 79 year old aunt (the driver was her nephew) put sugar and cream into her coffee in your car that doesn't have cup holders. But the coffee should not have been hot enough to do that which is the crux of the matter that most people ignored back then and continue to ignore. THE thing about the case that makes me glad she won though is... she simply asked McDonalds to cover her medical expenses which she estimated would be around $20k, McDonalds denied that and then she was advised to sue, which she did and won. Multiple other settlement offers were made prior to the trial as well, all of which McDonalds denied. The lawsuit didn't even get her that much money as after the fact it was appealed and a settlement was reached out of court. She apparently also made it to 91 years old but had to have a live in nurse for the entire 12 years which probably drained most of, if not all of the settlement. She was stated to have horrible quality of life after the incident. Again, I feel her nephew and her are at fault to a degree, but not to the point people make it out to be. Without her case McDonalds would still be serving coffee in flimsy paper cups. They were, and are currently, the store that sells coffee at the highest temperature in the US I believe. There are more facts to the case, and others have described it way better than I have, or could, I would recommend you looking up some actual info on the case just to clear the misconceptions.
@@littlekirby6 the tldr: is her skin literally fused together with 3rd degree burns that would stay on her the rest of her life and it was extreme gross negligence. She didn't even want to sue too. Iirc she was poor and just wanted McDonald's to cover the medical costs but they refused and two lower offers so she was sort of forced to sue.
@@attaug Not only that, but that McDonalds had been warned several times that their coffee was being served too hot, which is where the real negligence comes in.
it's so funny whenever charlie starts with "i'm sure you've seen or heard about" when it's always something i have never heard about 100% of the time without fail.
Yeah the whole idea of it being a joke of a case was intentional misinformation by McDonald’s to discredit her and make her look stupid but they WERE in the wrong
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glad to hear ppl are finally realizing that most of the hate towards the coffee woman was mostly due to McDonald’s PR trying to make it sound like it was her fault
THANK YOU for defending the coffee lady. So many people make fun of her and I remember when I was in middle school (years after it happened) she went on the news to tell her story because she was so sad people were constantly making fun of her when she was legitimately hurt and didn’t want it to happen to other people
@@lp1292 Why don't you look up the facts of the case? I'll just start by saying that Mcdonald's started a smear campaign against her. And she initially wanted was enough money to cover her medical and no more.
@@lp1292 The coffee was literally way above boiling point. It destroyed her vagina and legs. McDonald's fucked up on that one and it was completely their fault. We have rules and regulations specifically for situations like this.
Glad you were defending the coffee woman. I used to work at Dunkin and coffee shouldn't be no where near that hot. I got burned by the coffee and the hot water used from the coffee. I didnt even get a blister. Just a little red on my skin. I felt so bad when I first heard that story. Honestly idk what the hell the mom was doing. If I had my godson begin screaming I would have pulled over asap.
The McDonald's coffee wasn't unreasonable hot. It's the prolonged exposure that causes the burns. If you spill on your pants you have to get them off quickly but Liebeck being 79 years at the time probably didn't have the agility to do that.
@@Thulzor Yes it fucking was lmfao. The coffee shouldn't be above boiling point. McDonald's fucked up with the coffee, no need to try and white knight them.
@@Thulzor”Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchisees to hold coffee at 180-190 °F (82-88 °C). Liebeck's attorneys argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's. The attorneys presented evidence that coffee they had tested all over the city was served at a temperature at least 20 °F (11 °C) lower than McDonald's coffee. They also presented the jury with expert testimony that 190 °F (88 °C) coffee may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about three seconds and 180 °F (82 °C) coffee may produce such burns in about twelve to fifteen seconds.[12] Lowering the temperature to 160 °F (71 °C) would increase the time for the coffee to produce such a burn to 20 seconds.” Yeah, it was unreasonably hot.
@strbe1041 they never said she'd be screaming. Regardless, people who are choking do make noises as well as movements that are noticeable. You do know that, right?
As a former McDonald's employee (I only worked for one day) the way McNuggets are made is we take frozen nuggets, dip it in the deep fryer at the exact 160°F temperature and when they're ready we drip dry them and stick them in a heated shelf so that they're not scalding hot but they're not room temperature cold neither. Taking this knowledge into effect I can safely say this mother should be held accountable for torching her daughter.
I've been there for 5 years, and i 100% agree. We tell people their food is fresh and really hot, but they eat it right away anyways and get mad when they're burned. Also thats a toddler, you gotta check their food, if you cant hold it between your fingers for 5-10 seconds without it being too hot, its too hot for your baby.
The elderly woman who suffered those burns was incredibly deserving of that case. The public ridicule she got was ENTIRELY unwarranted. The way the media made her out to be an idiot was so disgusting. That woman deserved every penny and if you read the information on the case no one would disagree. She literally did nothing wrong the entire time. Edit: lots of people in the comments arguing about some BS or have outright wrong information/ just trying to be jerks who clearly didn’t look in to the case / only ever watched those rude people in the news making fun of her and forming their opinions from there. Flat out, they’re wrong. They will always be wrong. And arguing with them will only make them want to die on that hill even harder because they’re getting a reaction out of you. Sadly the woman in question passed away back in 2005 before the shift in thinking occurred and left this earth being ridiculed and mocked. Please don’t be cruel to the dead. All you do is look even worse than you already are. Leave some love for her and her family instead.
Yea the coffee was like 250°+ when coffee should never be served over 120°. McDonald’s did a smere campaign on her that didn’t work in court, but did work in the court of public opinion. She had her skin literally melt off her body and had to have multiple skin grafts to correct it.
If anyone doubts that lady’s story all you have to do is look at the pictures of her burns. You’re right. It’s disgusting that the media turned her into a punchline - and it was all paid for by McDonald’s legal team. It legitimately almost killed her. And even though she’s been dead for years, she’s still ridiculed to this day by clueless morons that believe a narrative pushed by a multi-billion dollar corporation back in the 90’s. They’re lucky they weren’t sued for defamation.
Glad people are now defending the McDonald's coffee lady cause she had every right to sue them. Apparently she didn't even want to sue them as much as she did, she only wanted them to cover her medical bills but her lawyer fought for more to also cover for emotional damage. No coffee should give you 3rd degree burns!
Thanks Charlie for telling the facts about the poor old lady burnt by the coffee. She sued only for the medical bills. The judge gave her much more which she deserved. The media caused that poor woman so much pain on top of her skin being burnt off her thighs and private area. She wasn’t driving either. The media never corrected that story either. No money is worth what she went through.
@@Volti-Vagra Sorry I’m tired I mean she ended up getting much more money than she was asking for. She got money for the pain, suffering, degradation by Mc Donald’s and I’m so happy she won much more money than just covering the medical bills. She deserved the money in a good way. Burnt woman getting a bigger payday is a good thing.
@@SekiberiusWelkesh Yeah, the judge reduced the punitive damages. The JURY awarded her $2.7 million. Honestly, I still think the lady was dumb. She pinched the cup between her legs and removed the lid, which then spilled onto her. Not exactly a genius. However, it's always fun seeing a billion dollar company part with some of that cash, so I'm not exactly on McDonalds side either. They shouldn't be serving it that hot. They should BREW it hot but let it cool off before serving, which is what most places do now.
Thank you for talking about how awful those coffee burns were. I remember when that happened and even on the news they were making it out to be an entitled, everyone-is-suing-over nothing trend. Then a few years later there was a documentary on it and they showed pictures and it was HORRIFIC. She was an elderly lady I believe and I remember how emotional her grandson was describing the incident in the car and the agony his grandmother was in. It was disturbing.
the old case about coffee was an elderly woman in the passenger seat of a parked car and the coffee was so hot IT FUSED HER SKIN AND GAVE HER 3rd DEGREE BURNS and so corporates, after loosing, released a bunch of adds making fun of her and making her look like a joke.
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Having someone of Charlie's reach tell about the older lady and the coffee makes me happy- I hate when people still to this day think she was somehow being a whiny baby. eta- the woman had her genitals fused together, the coffee was so hot. i've never had a burn that bad, or down there, and I cannot imagine the horrific pain. At first, she even wanted to admit some fault and just get enough money for the treatment, but McDonalds went full evil mode, which is why the case escalated.
Did the mother not hear her child screaming? Why wouldn’t she pull over to figure out why her kid was crying like that? There’s a very obvious difference between “I’m upset” cry and “I am actually hurt” cry, at least it’s how my siblings were growing up. Just got to the part where Charlie talks about it, and I’m glad he agrees
This and the fact that she allowed such a young child to eat in the car makes me realize she is not truly an intelligent person. Eating properly is actually a really hard mechanism. Then the fact that some people mentioned in the comments: Workers are instructed to let the fries and nuggets to chill for a while to avoid this kind of problems. The situation as a whole is what we refer in my country as "The appetite and the famine got together".
A screaming AUTISTIC kid doesnt make much sense. Youre telling me she should KNOW a chicken nugget is burning her? While we all sit here going “really?” At the same time?? Would be the last thing she thought.
@b.e.5194 Yes. Full stop. No excuses. She should've known something was wrong absolutely. Jesus you have a room temperature IQ to even attempt (and fail miserably) to defend someone like that lmfao.
@@b.e.5194 Whether I knew what was causing the pain is irrelevant, I'd know if my child was IN pain. It's ridiculous, in any circumstance, to take 2 minutes to find out why your child is screaming in pain.
@@nema4250 that's the thing if the nugget was hot enough to cause burns that meas that time to chill would not have been applied like it should have been which would make McDonalds liable.
People forget that it occurred in the days before a) cars had cup holders (they didn't) and b) drink cups had the caution hot liquid warning on it Also, people act like they've never spilled food and beverages on themselves before. Even if it is a "hot" beverage it shouldn't cause you third degree burns. Also, at that time McDonald's had been receiving complaints that their coffee was too hot BEFORE the coffee lady's incident, and they just ignored the complaints and kept making their coffee way too hot. So definitely McDonald's were in the wrong and needed to be made an example of.
@@inayahariffin5264 How low IQ do someone have to have if they require a warning that coffee is hot? The coffee was not too hot. The rest of the world can handle hot coffee and tea without any issues.
TY for getting the coffee story correct. At the time, McDs put sooooo much money into getting news to spin the story that it used to be cited as the #1 frivolous lawsuit of all time. People thought it was all the lady’s fault. These days, most people know it was a legitimate case, but for years, they spun it well.
I remember hearing about it for the first time and being given the impression that it was an extremely minor burn. Then I saw a youtube video on it a few years later and I was horrified by how terrible her injuries actually were. I can't imagine how awful it must have been for her to not only be injured in that way, but to then have the entire world convinced by the company responsible that she was making it up and being overly dramatic
Which the courts should not have allowed, this is retaliation for losing in my opinion. A multibillion dollar corporation lost a lawsuit & used their unlimited money to win the public opinion so it canceled out. Also the fact that they spent so much changing the narrative to fit their agenda means it was never about the money in the lawsuit, they are just vindictive and wanted the poor woman to suffer.
part of the problem with the Hot Coffee case was it was getting framed as a case of someone not understanding hot coffee is hot. at least that's how i remember hearing it. there was a very distinct lack of information being provided. if it was made clear the coffee was served well over safe temps that would have made everything clear and chances are people would have properly thrown shade at McDonalds.
@@Sniperbear13 Also Seinfeld had an episode where Kramer was burned by smuggling a cafe latte into the movie theater. Even though it’s a hilarious episode, the inspiration of it was the McDonald’s case. I just try to separate the episode from McDonald’s.
@@cream476 and to think it was the media’s “job” to inform people that this was just a retaliatory smear campaign that costs way more than what she was asking for. If the media properly informed people about that, her life would not have been ruined by mass ridicule championed by McDonald’s. Just another example of the media owned by corporations.
let's not forget that she said her daughter was screaming the whole time but she never even turned around to check what was wrong or why she was screaming in the first place
A brief reminder that anyone's perspective of a restaurant can be based off a single location. I had a thing against Taco Bell for years because every time we'd order from this ONE LOCAL LOCATION, they ALWAYS magically FORGET to give us something we order. One time they forgot my DRINK.
This is true. On the rare occasion I want McDonald's I go out of my way to a different location because the one near my house always messes up. They've forgotten an entire meal when we ordered for a group of people. One time they only gave us the burgers and forgot the fries and drinks. 😾 But I'm honestly fed up with fast food in general lately. They always forget something or give us old food. For the amount we pay, it's not worth the gamble. I'll just cook at home.
I remember always hearing people make fun of the coffee lady when I was a kid. I’m glad people can at least look back with hindsight and realize that she got totally screwed over with that.
McDonald's already won though, they ran an entire indirect campaign by letting news channels know that they'd advertise there only as long as their coverage of this story aligned with what they wanted people to hear. Now it's already old news and their public image has remained unaffected. The lady also died in 2004, hurt physically by the coffee and mentally by all the stress related to the court case and public opinion.
Coffee lady has probably passed on by now, but she did win that settlement for significantly more than she asked for.. She was publicly dragged to hell and back for it, but she did win
Coffee can only be 100 degrees at most (boiling water), at over 100 it turns to steam. So I never understood the case. She spilled boiling water on herself and sued.
The McDonalds coffee case involved serving coffee at a much higher temperature than is even possible using traditional methods. To put it in layman terms, they were basically making coffee in a pressure cooker in order to save time resulting in a product that was extremely dangerous when it was handed to people in cars in flimsy styrofoam cups. In fact, McDonalds had been warned by their own people that it was extremely dangerous to do this and they simply ignored the warnings.
According to Wikipedia the coffee was 180-190 Fahrenheit or 82-88 Celsius while here in Sweden McDonald's serve coffee that is 92-96 Celsius or 197-205 Fahrenheit. You need coffee to be that hot to make good coffee.
@@Thulzor I did, and it seems it mostly comes down to preference. Temperature Ranges: 120F - 140F (48.8C - 60C), 155F - 175F (68.3C - 79.4C), 180F - 185F (82.2C - 85C) So your assertion is a matter of opinion on _one_ method of serving hot coffee, not _the_ method.
The coffee story is legit, and it's unfortunate that people view it as some frivolous thing which is exactly what corporations wanted people to think so they could start lobbying for laws to insulate themselves from liability for negligence and malpractice. That said, I find it really hard to believe a nugget from McDonald's could even be hot. Any time I've had food from there it's been lukewarm at best.
In the rest of the world it isn't s problem to serve freshly brewed coffee. I hope the corporations succeed because it's ridiculous that they should have to treat adults as toddlers and be responsible for anything they do.
@@not_optikk Thully over there has literally responded to every single comment that has the word "coffee" in it. His last post was half an hour ago from me posting this one, *_weeks_* later! Jesus he needs to, like, go outside and make some friends or something. Edit: used 'literally' literally too many times and felt weird about it afterwards.
I think what sucks the most about this is how the *employees* of McDonalds will receive the most consequences for this, mainly in the form of hours of mindless slideshows the manager cobbled together after the previous one was sacked for "burning a customer."
I can say first hand that (at least some) McDonald's restaurants don't even care to complete their own training materials; nobody knows how to do half of the crap in there and ends up with stupid stuff like "we're out of Sprite because we don't know how to change the BIB." It would be a miracle if there was even a mention to this. This isn't the fault of employees, but rather the store managers responsible for keeping track of their employees' progress.
@@Ryan-uc6ui same with pizza hut. They do the basic important ones and then the general manager will sit there going through the rest for you while you start working.
Society is on the path to its downfall and eventual extinction. As a fast food worker, I remember a lady who ordered an extravagant quantity of sauces and questioned why she didn't get them for free. She proceeded to discipline me like a child for attempting to explain our company policy (she cut me off just a couple of words in), saying that she is a mother and her children would never disrespect her like that. If that's really how you raise your child, you're not giving them a bright future.
As somebody who is once a child I remember being able to detect when something was hot against my skin and being able to remove it, especially if it was food I had dropped
As someone who's worked at McDonald's, the food is tempd daily and chicken products need to temp between 165-200 degrees, when coming straight from the frier the often temp around 185 and then are put in a heated cabinet to keep warm. Saying that nugget was over 200 is insane. I have a 4 year old and always test her food before I give it to her, if its too hot I hold it infront of the ac, out the window or simply have her wait. Beyond irresponsible of the parent, even if she was on the interstate she could have pulled over and helped her daughter in sooner than TWO MINUTES. That poor child
I work at KFC, and I agree, it’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that the food is somehow over 200 degrees. Everything we cook has to be a minimum of 185 after coming out of the fryer, and we do sometimes temp over 200, but there’s literally no way it ever stays that hot after getting packed and being given to the customer.
the only fast food place ive ever been to that served me hot nuggets was wendys, I have NEVER had a hot chicken nugget from Mcdonalds. it is always luke warm at most
I got hot fresh chicken nuggets once. I still see them in my dreams sometimes. There's nothing better than that tbh but it's so rare is it even worth it to try to get fresh ones again 😔
Honestly, it's really telling how much public perception has flipped on the coffee lady. It used to be people would reference her story to compare bogus lawsuits to it. Now, the situation is reversed: new, less legitimate lawsuits are now piggybacking off of her story to make their case seem more legitimate. For what it's worth, I am glad that lady wasn't enshrined in popular culture as a con artist, she went through hell and the world at large thought less of her for it.
Theres a reason we all had that perception. They used her case and others like it to put caps on damages in all lawsuits. In a lot of states, even if you are awarded 100 million dollars, you can only recieve like $500k now. The media put cases like hers in the news to show the "need" for the caps.
I work in the kitchen at a CFA and the fryers cook at around 325 degrees. Chicken comes out around 180-190. It sits in the fryer for 3-4:30, depending on if it's nuggets, strips, or fillets.
@@poopdealer_ A lot more, I assumed by chicken nugget drama that the chickens nuggets my grandfather planted in Romania have finally surfaced and began their absolute domination over our planet
Thank you for defending the poor Hot Coffee woman. The burns were so bad her labia fused together. McDonalds went out of their way to make her pain a joke to this day.
I think it’s more likely the mom thought that the child was screaming because they spilled the nuggets, and not because they were actively being burned by a nuggy.
@KingKami - The general rule with YOUNG kids, especially when driving, is if nothing you could see having caused actual harm to them has happened then they're probably throwing an emotional fit. Like, for real, a kid in a car seat that spilled their nuggets would cry for 2 minutes. You don't pull over every time your kid fusses that they're sad. You'll never get to where you're trying to go. Four year olds just aren't capable of emotional regulation, and the best you can do is try and talk them through it while driving.
@KingKami Bro it very well could be. My brother would scream for minutes if not more at a time over literally nothing on the floor squalling. And it could have been as simple as I wanted chicken strips not chicken nuggets as a relevant example. He would absolutely shriek if he had an itch because he thought it was pain I guess, I don't know XD. But you'd think he was dying and then it would just be an itch when you asked him or he would get confused between hot and cold, A LOT. Kids are fucking weird as fuck. Especially in my case where he had Asperger's. Though this is still a stupid case, just your perception of that is wrong.
Interesting fact part of the reason why the woman from the coffee incident got so much money was because the legal team from McDonald's almost literally called her an idiot for getting burned so bad from coffee.
Yes Charlie, you’re exactly right, the 79-year-old woman only asked for medical costs, that Medicare couldn’t pay for when she sued. It was the jury that saw McDonald’s didn’t give a shit who awarded her 2.7 million dollars, which was reduced to 400k by the courts. Then after she won, McDonald’s went on a smear campaign against her!!! When she only sued for medical costs! With the nugget case, she gave the child the nuggets, which were regular temperature nuggets but fresh off the fryer. She handed them back to her kid who drops them, one gets caught between her car seatbelt and her skin, and yeah 2 WHOLE MINUTES and HER MOM RECORDS HER DAUGHTER’S SCREAMS - which her daughter is autistic! But her recording it is really rubbing me the wrong way, and yeah not sure how she won this.
Years ago Fred Durst accidentally broke a fans nose with his microphone and the person won 5 million. It’s disgusting the court cut back the money by over 2 million! The pain that woman went through not just physically, but was harassed and had her name dragged through the mud by the media and regular people must have been so stressful and demoralizing. Jokes about you on TV constantly. She should have gotten the full amount IMO and a public apology from McDonalds. Not to mention the 500 people who complained or were injured the managed to keep quiet. That woman deserved to live in complete comfort and not have to worry about money again. Wonder if it was age discrimination. Some idiots thinking “she’s not going to live much longer she doesn’t need that much” kinda mindset.
Handled this argument perfectly. Sadly you have to spell everything out for some people because they can't think for themselves so you have to do what there parent didn't in teaching them to not make an issue about something your not willing to use your brain
I’m so glad I started working at McDonald’s AFTER the coffee lawsuit. One day I worked a morning shift and was switching an empty coffee pot with a full, FRESH brewed one and ever so gently accidentally tapped them against each other. The full pot shattered and drenched hot, fresh coffee all over me. I was fine, it just hurt a little, but I dread to think what would’ve happened if the coffee was as hot as the lady’s 😭😭
Crap, I just realized the coffee they serve at the hotel I work at is heated to 200°F. Our coffee is hotter than the coffee that permanently disfigured Stella Leibeck. And most of the people who drink our coffee, are elderly people often confined to wheelchairs. It’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
@@2nukitv218 Not as problematic as a drivethrough. Liquids in a car have a much higher chance of spilling, whereas coffee in a hotel can stay still on a table, unless there's an earthquake. Either way, you can just wait for a bit before serving the coffee so that it gets slightly colder.
@@leonro the small problem with that is that there aren’t any tables and most of these people are going around on mobility scooters. But yes, I see your logic.
fr! She probably kept telling her to stop crying and that she’s fine. I guess she started recording after she realized what was happening and than it was pure negligence
Typically there’s a huge difference between a child crying and screaming vs being in pain. While it might sound like shrieking for both, a parent is usually able to tell if the child is crying over spilled nuggets or is currently getting 2nd degree burns
As a Parent, it should be common sense to check your child's food if they're a certain age. Specifically for reasons like this. The mom should have checked the temperature before hand, instead of just giving her daughter the meal. Even though it seems that this would be that One In a Million situation, because I've never gotten steaming hot nuggets from any Mcdonald's, and I've been getting those for about 30 years now.
This is exactly what I was thinking, and I’m *not a parent!* I have very, very, VERY little experience with kids, and I know you make sure food is at a safe temperature before giving it to a child…
As a parent of a current 4 years old I trust him to be old enough to understand when something is too hot and to know to wait, brake it or blow on it if it is. I would also probably think the initial cry would have been because he spilled the nuggets not because he was hurting. Kid thay young first response is still to cry first and articulate what's wrong later. So until he outright say that he is hurting or cry become clearly pain cries I also don't think I would have stopped immediately.
I’m an Ex Crew Trainer for McDonald’s. I just want to say that our friers were set to 255 Fahrenheit. If the frier dipped below 215 then the frier alarms would go off and say they were too cold. The nuggets would come out of the frier at around 180-210 depending on a couple factors. If there were no nuggets ready in the holder, then it is possible to get a completely fresh batch straight from the frier. If that was the case, that means they were busy and didn’t let the basket drain properly and it’s very possible that the nuggets were miss handled. This video is a year old, so I don’t expect anyone to read this, but if you do. I hope these numbers help. I’m not an expert on burns either so I have no clue if that is evidence enough to have a lawsuit, but there are the standardized numbers of the friers and temp checked nuggets none the less.
The bit about chicken: fried chicken has to be cooked at a really high temp in oil in order for the meat inside to cook and the breading to basically flash-cook hot and crispy. Typically if you’re making standard fried chicken you’ll cook it somewhere around 350 in hot oil at much quicker time for chicken nuggets in particular. The nuggets can possibly be really hot enough to burn the skin if they’re fresh and they served the nuggets very quickly.
I second this, I work at KFC & our fryers for fries, popcorn, & patties are at a constant 350, and our pressure fryers heat to 330 - 360 (the chicken in these is cooked for around 15 minutes, aside from tenders, which are cooked for 4:20) when the chicken comes out of the fryer it has to be a minimum internal temperature of 185 or we have to throw it out. It usually reaches 200 or a little above.
It's likely also that liquid burns more easily at lower temps, too. But I don't think a 200+°F nugget stuck to a toddler's skin for *2 MINUTES* would've only caused a 2nd degree burn.
@@Major003Really depends on if it was directly contacting the skin, or burning through something. Hot liquids will soak through a fabric and contact bare skin regardless, a dropped nuggie would not. At worst, a small amount of oil would soak in, but it wouldn't be the same as spilling the equivalent temperature in fluid on yourself
Child ate nuggets before the one burnt her leg but was not harmed by any of them. I think that makes it pretty clear that the nuggets were not dangerously hot.
fr. any food will burn you if it's pressed on you long enough. it's ridiculous that they're acting like ONE nugget out of 30+ is some evil molten lava antagonist 😭💀 like the mcdonalds employee was having a rough day so they just decided to add a 200 degree nugget out of spite lmao
Obviously not if she created a whole lawsuit around it. She also from the sounds, still pulled over to remove the nugget? So sure it's definitely the moms fault and there are not external factors that could have caused any of this. Just shitty moms being shitty moms right?
@@luz2949 better hope she never has to cook for that child and take her eyes off of her for *gasp* two minutes. Buddy they were in the car together, how unattended was she really? Breaking news, driving cars is negligant parenting.
I got 2nd degree burns on my hands and wrists when I was like 7 or 8 from losing balance while on a mini trampoline which resulted in me grabbing onto the nearest object, an (unknowingly) still-hot grill, for like not even 10 seconds, and recently I've gotten small 2nd degree burns on my arms while accidentally bumping into a hot oven door (twice lmao) while working in a kitchen and the contact lasted not even a second. I have scars from both of these events too. a CHICKEN NUGGET burning a child to the same extent as getting burns from a hot grill or hot oven door is a very wild thought.
Idk I work in fast food, hot food probably wouldn't even have to be fresh from the frier to cause damage if it was pressed against your skin for over 2 minutes like in this case. Which I personally think the food wasn't fresh because I feel like fresh chicken would do much more damage.
I remembered during the whole hot coffee incident people mocked the woman like "noo coffee hot? Teer heer 🤤" but I have yet seen anyone mock this one despite being way more deserving at least towards the mother since she literally ignored her daughter for 2 minutes & somehow that's McDonald's fault
Its literally just because news outlets attacked the old woman siding is Mcdonalds and calling the lawsuit frivolous so most peoples first access to the information was very one-sided and ignored alot of the facts.
Kids will literally cry and scream over anything. The mother put nothing in the back seat with her child that she would have thought would hurt him. It is not her fault that she thought he was crying prob because he dropped his nuggets or whatever. It seems the kid was either too young or unable to communicate that he was being burned.
Im calling it now. This is the origin of a chicken nugget villain. It has all the need parts: - Neglectful mother - Traumatized while young - Burn shaped like a nugget, where nugget powers are sourced from All we need is a director, and we got ourselves a new movie!
Apparently nobody wants to go to bat for McDonald’s, but every time somebody sues them after getting 2nd to 3rd degree burns from their food and drink, everybody comes out to defend McDonald’s because they can’t see how they would have personally had that issue.
Yeah because it’s very stupid lol 2 minutes anyone could have stopped the burn from happening, anyhow food should be assumed to be hot when getting it maybe don’t give it to the child till it cools down? Lol
@@stripesd Everyone said the same thing about the hot coffee, but later realized there was a reason she won the lawsuit. Instead of getting your news from some guy on RUclips saying whatever comes to mind based on how he feels, you could actually inform yourself. She won the case, but idiots online most likely don’t know that and still opt to defend a shitty corporation because they don’t have the ability to empathize with different experiences they think they wouldn’t personally have the same problems with
As a Dad of 9+ years and two kids. This is absolutely the parents responsibility. If you were that concerned about the nuggies being too hot, maybe you shouldn't have given them to your toddler in the backseat then. McDicks isn't liable here.
@@zeroonunison9415 I mean, they are dicks, food they make is subpar 98% of the time and they always mess up order + nothing changed for the past 20-30 years with them so yea, they dickies
@@Blake1720 a second degree burn is a great lesson. It taught me to be careful around fire. I remember as a 4 year old or so, i stepped in the ashes of a campfire. Know how many times ive done that since?
I was a manager for McDonald’s for 3 years, recently quit a couple weeks ago. At 10:00 everyday we do something called “change over” to get everything ready for lunch by 10:30. Part of that process is temping out the product and making sure it’s not under/overcooked. At my particular McDonald’s the frying vats were set at 350 degrees and the nuggets cook for 3:30. When those nuggets are fresh and you put the pyrometer in within a minute of them coming out, they can be pretty hot, ranging from 190-205 degrees, so I could maybe see this happening if her nuggets were straight from the fryer. That being said tho, they’ll cool down to a warm enough temp not to cause damage within 5 minutes, that’s why we have 2 trays, if one runs out you drop some more and when they come up you can put them in the cabinet and let them cool down while also staying warm enough to be enjoyable.
Probably for the same reason all the freezer section nuggets I've ever bought at the Supermarket say "let stand for 5 minute before consuming" because you want to internal temperature of at least 165F to lower to none scalding temps
Only 2:30? Our nuggets, filet, and McChicken go down for 3:30 at My store and Crispy chicken goes down for 7 mins flat, but I'm a night time manager so the temp check and changeover Is done by the time I come in so I don't know what they coming out to, I'd guess about 180 tho cus I've burned my mouth on fresh nuggets
@@WeAre1Legionit can probably depend on the temperature of the air inside the restaurant. The colder it is, the faster they cool down. Maybe those times were used in winter in a state up north, or maybe they're from Florida and their AC is crazy low 🤷🏼♂️
A couple of things I thought of- the kid was probably in a carseat in the backseat. The mom probably glanced back and didn't see the nugget because it was under the seatbelt. A 2 year old baby is going to have much more delicate skin than an adult or even a teen. That said, it's on the parent to monitor the kid and it's probably not a good idea to give food to kids who can't clearly tell you if there's a problem. The kid could've just as easily choked and the mother not notice until it's too late. Would she have blamed the restaurant for that?
I bet the reason she took so long to respond to the kid screaming was because she thought the kid was screaming BECAUSE the kid dropped her nuggies, not because of pain.
ngl if she can't tell the difference between a sad "NOOOO MY NUGGIESSSS" and a "IM IN SO MUCH FUCKING PAIN HELP" scream, she should pay more attention to her kid
Yeah because a child in extreme pain is going to be able to articulate immediately what’s wrong in order to receive assistance. Kids scream, a lot. I’m absolutely not defending this stupid bitch, but quit assuming that every situation is as black and white as your mind wants to paint it. I have a kid and can tell the difference between a pain scream and something else. This “mother” is absolutely failing at protecting her child like she should’ve, but your method of assumption is dangerous and stupid.
Thanks for telling the real truth of the hot coffee story. That poor woman suffered a horrific burn and then, to quite literally add insult to injury, McD's engineered a cover story of her being clumsy and whiny. When the incident had been the fault of their negligence. I've gotten first degree burns on my elbow and hand. Very mild, but they still hurt (and were itchy when they were healing.) I can't even begin to imagine how painful third-degree burns on your crotch must be.
@@aristobrat4987Not just burned. The coffee melted her skin and she went into shock. She was partially disabled for two years after the incident. Absolutely tragic story.
This happened to me when I was a kid. I dropped a fry and it burnt my inner thigh and I cried, but I usually was kind of an asshole in the car so my parents just figured I was having my normal tantrum. When we got home and realized I burnt myself they felt bad but they didn’t go an sue McDonalds… that’s ridiculous
When I worked at a place frying chicken, it was normal for the chicken to be 185 in the coldest area and 215 in the hottest areas, but the time letting the oil drain off of it was plenty to get it down to a temp that wasnt dangerously hot. Also I have left chicken in the fat fryer and forgot about it, it doesnt liquify, it crystalizes, turning into something so hard no mortal could attempt to bite into it.
not true. you don't get metals up to their melting point to hammer and shape them. blacksmith forging is usually1400 F - 2000 F but any ember is going to be at several hundred. hot brass at a range is going to give you a severe burn before a spark from blacksmithing would
This is like a parent blaming TV for the problems with their kids, while constantly parking the kids in front of the TV to get time to themselves each day.
@JP not that more they arent mature enough for online shooter games, id prefer my kid start with somthing closer to his age group and move up from there, also many bad habits can be learned from cod lobbys as im sure you are aware of.
Many coffee machines and stores still sell at that temperature(which is the recommended temperature by the national coffee association too, as you can easily find on its website), McDonald's included I think. Every state that has online court records, you can find a similar case and in 99% of them, the "victim" is found to be responsible. Which is also why McDonald never cared in the past and still doesn't care. I take my coffee every morning at the temperature she was burned at. The only reason McDonald's lost is because it was an old woman and they appeared too cold, in terms of legal precedent and common sense, she was 100% in the wrong. Every state has precedents stating that even the warning about "hot liquid" is redundant because the expectation of the product is that it is hot enough to burn and no reasonable human is ignorant of that fact. An old woman should have enough experience with life not to hold hot liquid between her thighs. It's the meme of the guy starting the chainsaw with the blade held by his crotch except a chainsaw has a safety.
@@ildarion3367 lol bruh you have zero idea what you're on about. the location is question actually had their coffee machine turned up past corporate standards. It has nothing to do with "oh she shouldve expect a hot coffee so shes liable" even if the coffee is hot, i've never received 3rd degree burns from spilling one on myself. gtfo with that
@@ildarion3367 It was over 250 degrees compared to the 200 degrees it should've been nice shot tho slim Btw only kids and women don't disable the safety on their saws💀
Having worked in food service, fried chicken absolutely does come out of the fryer with an internal temperature of 200+. But also the time it takes to throw in a sandwich/box, serve, and then be eaten by the customer, should be more than enough time for the temperature to drop
Likewise. I wanted to point out in a rush situation, the whole order is ready to go except one item (the nuggets) and they came out of the fryer piping hot, into the bag and directly to the customer in seconds. And yea, cooking food internally TO 165° doesn't mean the external temperature is the same. It's way hotter, say as hot as the liquid it's being cooked in...
EXACTLY. that’s what isn’t making sense about this. I worked at mcdonald’s, the nuggets are fully touchable writhing 60 seconds MAX. (even if immediately placed in the warmer) Obviously this mom is wonky but tbh i think there’s gotta be an issue with the warmers or something. i don’t get how this could happen without some kind of malfunction.
I've gotten 3rd degree burns from a burning paper plate, and had skin graft surgery, it's a serious injury. The fact that poor woman suffered that from COFFEE is actually scary to me, and I'm so glad she got what she deserved in that lawsuit. I'm sure that was months of pain, on top of months of healing...
Gosh, that old Mc Donald's coffee law suit you mentioned. That one was so famous we even knew about it all the way over back home in Italy. Also 5:40 "the fire department would have showed up". 😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a Dad of 2 kids (age 5 and 3) my kids will drop their nuggets on their laps all the time and never whined about it being too hot usually, and whenever my kids do drop something hot on them sometimes I react fast swiping it off, I’ve even taught them to react and now they get it off themselves. I hate that parenting is being pushed on companies now. People will have kids but they don’t want to be parents
The child is autistic and was 4 years old when the situation occurred. She got the burns because the 160-degree to 200-degree chicken nugget was trapped between the seatbelt and leg, and she still has scars from the event in the present. I recommend you look at the pictures to understand better because the way Charlie explains them doesn't do the burns justice. The woman was also driving while her two children in the back received their happy meals. You could ask why the sibling in the back didn't help their sister, but maybe they didn't know what was happening and would only let the mother get the chicken nugget out. Plus the mom was driving on top of it, so by the time her daughter started screaming because of the burn, she didn't have anywhere to truly pull over for two minutes. It's likely a situation of the franchise owner potentially crunching workers and having them cut corners to get food out faster. So the oil in this case likely wasn't shaken off or the chicken nuggets weren't sat for the allotted time they were supposed to.
@@KingofKnowhere not saying the mom is a bad mom by any means but each time I have given my kids a happy meal I always open it and blow on it because kids are super sensitive to hot food. I’m curious why she didn’t do that.
@@KingofKnowhere That makes it worse knowing she is autistic! Maybe don't feed your kids hot food while you're driving then, before checking it yourself. McDonald's do have parking lots. So many ways to avoid this but I'm sure the Mother is loving it! The huge payout she'll receive. There's a reason every thing we buy in America has so many dumb warning labels & it's bc of people like her. Neglect, I'm lovin it!
@@KingofKnowhere It still comes back to the parent. Let's say the child choked on the food whilst the mother is driving and it takes 2 minutes for her to pull over and help the child, is it the parents fault for letting their child eat whilst they drive or the restaurant for serving them food? The mother didn't need to be driving, let them eat in the car whilst parked, park and eat inside or reheat the meals when you arrive home if it's a short drive and you don't want to wait. I don't fault parents for things like this when the chances of an accident is so low but to blame others when that low chance accident occurs is ridiculous.
As someone who worked in fast food I do believe a chicken nugget can get that hot, but it's something that would only really happen during a lunch/dinner rush, or if you ordered like a hundred nuggets. I was usually the person to put together orders and I'd tend to tell people "hey, just so you know your nuggets/fries/chicken sandwich is very hot," but I'd never say it was a responsibility, it was a way to try and get people to calm themselves when they've been waiting in a busy drive-thru. Heck, I never got burned by anything working there, despite the time I got a batch of fries still dripping oil dumped on my hand. Bottom line, any burn that child got was a result of that mother's negligence, and I think she's doing whatever she can to make it look like she's not a horrible parent
Thank you, Charlie, for demonstrating that getting hot nuggets could make me even more lucky than I initially had hoped. So if I ever get a hot nuggie, I'm not only going to have the rare decent fast food meal, but a decent payout too.
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I can chime in on this!! I work at Pizza Hut, and sometimes our wings come out around 200 depending on the heat of the oil(cause we have a set cooking time). But for this to have happened, that shit had to come out of the fryer, be bagged, handed to her, and she gave it straight to a toddler. This is a case of bad parenting. Case closed in my mind.
If food is handed to a customer while still at a temperature that is actively dangerous to touch, much less eat, that is definitely the fault of the restaurant.
I remember laughing at the hot coffee case and thinking that it was just some scam to get money from McDonalds, but after I watched LegalEagle’s video about the incident, I realize that maybe there really was a case and that the old lady deserves to be compensated.
not maybe , literally there was a case. imagine if you poured boiling water on your vagina or penis. its not just a burn. this womans burns were so bad i think she actually had a disfigurement case. they could have left her unable to urinate , be sexually intimate , anything. i never knew why people laughed at this. it must be that your life has been so safe , so nice and so sheltered , that youve never even had something as simple as a burn. i envy you. but that might be why you were so flabbergasted by it.
@@aristobrat4987 Yup, that’s my exact reaction tho, I was kinda taken aback, but now I am rock solid in my belief that yes, there is a case to be made here.
THANK YOU for telling the whole damn story for the coffee lady. So many people give her shit and call her stupid despite the fact coffee SHOULD NOT be giving people 3rd degree burns
My heart goes out to Charlie. The "Huge drama" condition has been proven to be contagious recently and we are now seeing the effects of the disease reach a new host.
I miss the old charlie, before he was garbage person.. Dude, i remember when i was only subbed to 10 people..back when he had only 1 mil subs.. he was my fav.. now hes in the same category as all the other douches. im really kinda sad about it all fr.
Fun fact: my grandpa was the attorney in the case of the coffee incident. He helped win the lawsuit vs mcdonalds. Miss him every day but I can always tell that story.
As someone who is super aware of how the coffee lady originally only asked for her medical bills to be paid and only sued when Mcdonalds refused. Plus her wounds were so severe because they were serving like near boiling point coffee and then spent millions astro turfing a media campaign to make her seem like a crazy litigious person. I will never give them any benefit of the doubt.
Many coffee machines and stores still sell at that temperature(which is the recommended temperature by the national coffee association too, as you can easily find on its website), McDonald's included I think. Every state that has online court records, you can find a similar case and in 99% of them, the "victim" is found to be 100% responsible. Which is also why McDonald never cared in the past and still doesn't care. I take my coffee every morning at the temperature she was burned at because that's the temperature it comes out of the machine at. The only reason McDonald's lost is because it was an old woman and they appeared too cold, in terms of legal precedent and common sense, she was 100% in the wrong. Nearly every state has precedents stating that even the warning about "hot liquid" is redundant because the expectation of the product is that it is hot enough to burn and no reasonable human is ignorant of that fact. An old woman should have enough experience with life not to hold hot liquid between her thighs. It's the meme of the guy starting the chainsaw with the blade held by his crotch except a chainsaw has a safety.
@@ildarion3367 You do not drink 195 degree coffee. Also the "National Coffee Association" says Ultimately, the temperature at which any individual coffee drinker will prefer their coffee is a *personal preference, like so many other things that make coffee special* These are some of the reasons why it is best to serve coffee right after brewing, when it is fresh and hot. Cupping quality standards suggest brewing at 200˚F. *When serving hot beverages, especially in retail or clinical care settings which present risks for burning or scalding, lower temperatures should be considered.* So cut your bullshit.
@@mallninja9805 "should be CONSIDERED" You do not drink it right as it is served but you want it served hot. You misunderstanding english is really none of my concern. Cut your bullshit and get english lessons, it's my 4th language and I'm more fluent than you. Here is one more for you: McDonalds still serves it at the exact same temperature and there are hundreds of court reports available online that found that it's a fine temperature to serve at. If you're convinced the old lady had a good cause, why isn't McDonalds losing billions right now? Because under normal handling, all those cases are thrown out or lost.
I'm the dad of a 14-month-old and if a chicken nugget got lodged in my kid's leg and they were screaming about it my immediate reaction would be to pull over and help them, not finish driving home and let the chicken or whatever had hurt them continue to burn their skin. Absolutely a parenting issue.
No where in this did it say she finished driving home. And if the drive home was 2 minutes away from mcdonalds I'm sure she would have just made her wait to eat it until they were home. The mom could have been literally stuck on the highway with no where to turn or pull over or stop. Why are you acting like parents have control over absolutely everything? As a mom to two kids, a toddler and a newborn. My toddler screams about every little damn thing. You have not even reached the terrible twos yet where they scream about legitimately everything. Also why are we acting like children don't have pain tolerances as well, why are we acting like maybe the child didn't notice it burnt her until it actually started hurting. She totally could have been happily munching on nuggets and then "oh ow my leg hurts mom"
@@Eveninggrace2000 have you gotten a second degree burn? At SOME POINT, the kid is gonna start to scream, and the mom apparently knew how long it had been there, so i assume it was probably pretty quick. Also- are you saying you cant tell the difference between your kids being rowdy and your kids being in genuine prolonged pain?? like, regardless of the reason, if a kid is screaming at that level (which i guarantee she was, its a 4 year old, they can usually talk well enough to explain at least that theyre in pain) you should pull over, or at the very least figure something out.
I'm the dad of a 13-month-old and if a restaurant's negligence to improperly serve food wounded my child, I would get a lawyer and a jury verdict in my favor like this mom did.
@@pughat5233 I have gotten 2nd degree burns quite frequently. I've melted the flesh off of my arm at the age of 7 when making fish sticks for my mom who had a torn rotor cuff. I've also burnt myself on numerous bangers and nails heated by torches. No you don't always scream. You don't always cry. And my daughter earlier today screamed like someone had genuinely ripped her open but it was because she didn't want to watch mickey mouse any more. So??? Again this child could be on the spectrum or have numerous other underlying things that we did not hear about. Again she could have been in a stretch of road with no area to pull over safely? Like holy crap again there are external circumstances that can cause this too not just a mother being negligent. I'm again saying the court case is a little dumb because it seems like an idiotic accident but again there are so many reasons other than "this mom is shitty"
@@MoarCheeseBirb so you order fast food expecting fresh, hot food then complain that its hot? its absolutely a parenting issue and also, if you let something like this happen, you're a horrible parent.
I’m a manager at McDonald’s and it’s almost impossible for the woman’s nuggets to be that piping hot. One of my tasks at McDonald’s is to check food temperatures and when nuggets first come out, the max temperature they reach is maybe mid 190’s but rarely 200. They cool down relatively fast and at my McDonald’s, we use three nugget trays. Unless nuggets were absolutely flying that day, the lady would’ve received the oldest batch of nuggets or even worse, the nuggets that have been sitting out (leftovers). The other way her nuggets could’ve been piping hot is if she asked us to cook her nuggets to order. Like mentioned before, nuggets ARE hot when they first come out but by the time the nuggets reached the customers, It would’ve cooled down considerably. But if that were the case, she would know not to put the nuggets in the kids lap because they are cooked to order = very hot!
@@homechump I feel like this is an important point. Like if she's driving 2 minutes is a great response time. A four year old is in the back seat, and the nugget stuck behind a seatbelt isn't gonna be easy to know. I mean you don't pull over the moment a child starts crying because you don't know why they're crying. She had to determine what was up, pull over, and remove the nugget. This is impressive to do in two minutes.
I REALLY hope that this was a mother being a fool. If she was willing to intentionally put her children through pain in order to extract a payday, this is probably not the last lawsuit of this nature that she will be filing. That scares me for the kids' sake.
@@TheRealModiK psychopathy isn't a trait unique to males It's unlikely and there is nothing to suggest that is the case here. But some moms can absolutely certainly do something like that
@@TheRealModiK yeah you are right this would be the WORST thing a mother has done to their kid if so. DEFINITELY. My god what kind of sheltered life do you live where you think 'no way a mom could do this'. There are mothers who literally kill their children.
I'm with you that this situation doesn't warrant a lawsuit however charging $4.29 for a large fry is unequivocally criminal and they deserve to be sued
I remember seeing instructions on Trident gum saying to unwrap the piece first and then chew. Now you're telling me I gotta remember hot food is hot?! This is far too much for me to remember
seconded, i received mild third degree burns all over my scalp as a 4 year old and god damn was that so excruciating i think it made me sentient, like my first memory was that shit to this day my head is super sensitive on hot days. meanwhile i get second degree burns every other day getting my food out of the oven because i have clumsy caveman hands and that aint shit
A lot of stores here are really good now. Always order a custom burger without mustard or something. You’ll get a hot fresh burger. Fries you can ask for without salt. If they aren’t busy they might do it depending on the restaurant. So there’s ways to get hot freshly cooked food there
Not in Australia, when I ordered a fucking meal right, so the chips, burger and drink, there wa no drink, I literally got only 2 thirds of what was paid for
@@secondBAR I read that in an australian accent 😂 but yeah the whole getting fresh stuff only works if they care enough, I once specified no salt on the fries cause I didnt want to die that day and they didnt give a shit lmao
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Also worth mentioning: part of why the coffee burn was so severe wasn’t *just* a temperature problem, but when you are an elderly person, your skin is much more fragile. Like tissue paper. And she was at a stop, spilling it in her lap, where it was soaked up immediately by her cotton sweatpants, which then held the boiling hot coffee against her skin. The incident nearly killed her.
This is why, when I worked at Starbucks, I truly took issue with the people who ordered drinks at 190°. And would MAKE US REMAKE IT if it wasn’t sufficiently magmatic. It was always the worst and rudest customers too, I’m convinced they need to consume something that is reminiscent of the flames from Hell, when they’re homesick.
Nice one lmao
The worst thing is that she was willing to settle with just medical expenses. McDonalds refused. That's why she sued and won.
If McDonald’s throw the coffee on her, fine, but she spilled it on herself knowing it was extremely hot. Her fault. I’m not gonna sue my hot water heater manufacturer because I turned the hot water on and burned myself in the shower.
@@hopinondeeznuts350 Bad take bud. I'm disappointed in you.
Wtf 190 is impossible it would cook up at 100
So with the McDonalds coffee, no one ever mentions that the coffee was around 180 degrees and she had third degree burns all over her thighs and crotch and had to be hospitalized. She initially just wanted $10,000 to cover her medical bills. McDonalds laughed in her face so her lawyers stepped it up to hire amount so that they would face damages for defamation. Also there were around a dozen other incidents of this happening to customers prior to her suit, which McDonald’s flat out ignored.
yeah, I thought it was a meme; then looked into it and dear lord that poor old lady.
And her labia was fused
I think it was 180. 150 isn't that hot.
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Yhea, McDonald's basically ran a smear campaign against her
Glad Charlie pointed out that the hot coffee lawsuit was not frivolous like the prevailing notion that it was. McDonald's was operating all their stores telling them to keep the coffee way hotter than it should be for some reason. All that lady wanted was for them to cover medical expenses but they refused so she had to take them to court.
The reason was that a lot of people would buy the coffee on their way to work. By brewing it at extreme temperatures, it would still be hot by the time customers arrived at their work places, which would make the coffee more desirable. They basically chose profits over safety.
everyone knows that the hot coffee lawsuit was legit, that's how momma figured she could get a quick payout
@@TwoTreesStudio You say that but any videos about it have a LOT of people in the comments calling it a scam.
@@buttnugget2900 yeah I'm sure, and thanks to this bullshit lawsuit everyone will be even faster to pass judgement...next time Karen tries to order fajitas I hope they tell her it's off the menu for liability reasons and to go sit in the corner and think about what she did
@@LordPhilipJFry + it meant they could sell the coffee for longer, like have more time between making and selling it, all for profits.
The coffee lady case is actually something we studied in my senior PR class in college. The coffee lady was 100% in the right, and the hate she got was completely uncalled for.
@@littlekirby6 She was in the right because of just how hot the coffee actually was and a flimsy cup, I believe is the reasoning. The coffee was actually WAY too hot. Yes she was a bit dumb for placing the cup between her legs but there is liability on McDonalds' part. I wouldn't say she was "100% in the right" but she totally had legal ground for the lawsuit.
The reason people look down on this case in particular is the way the media spun it and presented it when it was ongoing and after the fact literally skipping over facts. The way it was spun at the time, and was perpetuated by the internet, is that some old lady went through the drive through and took her coffee home spilling it on the way and she got burned by it. They didn't mention that the coffee was hot enough to send her into shock, they didn't mention that it literally caused 3rd degree burns in seconds, they didn't mention that she was parked at the time, and also didn't mention that she wasn't the one driving. The way it was presented was effectively that this greedy careless old woman spilled some normal temperature coffee on herself, got upset and sued McDonalds for no reason. Spilling coffee you make at home on yourself burns, but you tend not to get more than 2nd degree even for a slightly prolonged contact. This woman had scalding hot coffee pressing into her legs and crotch due to it soaking into her sweatpants.
Again, while I disagree that it was 100% McDonalds' fault, as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you need to assist your 79 year old aunt (the driver was her nephew) put sugar and cream into her coffee in your car that doesn't have cup holders. But the coffee should not have been hot enough to do that which is the crux of the matter that most people ignored back then and continue to ignore. THE thing about the case that makes me glad she won though is... she simply asked McDonalds to cover her medical expenses which she estimated would be around $20k, McDonalds denied that and then she was advised to sue, which she did and won. Multiple other settlement offers were made prior to the trial as well, all of which McDonalds denied. The lawsuit didn't even get her that much money as after the fact it was appealed and a settlement was reached out of court. She apparently also made it to 91 years old but had to have a live in nurse for the entire 12 years which probably drained most of, if not all of the settlement. She was stated to have horrible quality of life after the incident. Again, I feel her nephew and her are at fault to a degree, but not to the point people make it out to be. Without her case McDonalds would still be serving coffee in flimsy paper cups. They were, and are currently, the store that sells coffee at the highest temperature in the US I believe.
There are more facts to the case, and others have described it way better than I have, or could, I would recommend you looking up some actual info on the case just to clear the misconceptions.
yeah she was 90% in the right
@@littlekirby6 the tldr: is her skin literally fused together with 3rd degree burns that would stay on her the rest of her life and it was extreme gross negligence.
She didn't even want to sue too. Iirc she was poor and just wanted McDonald's to cover the medical costs but they refused and two lower offers so she was sort of forced to sue.
@@attaug The coffee cup lady is the reason bags say do not place over head, may cause suffocation.
@@attaug Not only that, but that McDonalds had been warned several times that their coffee was being served too hot, which is where the real negligence comes in.
it's so funny whenever charlie starts with "i'm sure you've seen or heard about" when it's always something i have never heard about 100% of the time without fail.
He’s the most online mf ever 😭
alright i’m glad i’m not the only one😭😭
I am only using the sobbing emoji because everybody else is 😭😭😭
Same.
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It is so great that people are finally realizing that the McDonald's coffee lady story is way more nuanced that it seems.
I dunno about "nuance" but melting your genitals together is probably too hot.
And they way McDonald’s defamed her and made jokes to save face
Yeah the whole idea of it being a joke of a case was intentional misinformation by McDonald’s to discredit her and make her look stupid but they WERE in the wrong
they ridiculed her so badly that story Lowkey haunts me
@@oliverrodriguez1920 yep and legit everything in the media like late night shows and SNL would make jokes about it... so messed up
It’s unfortunate and all, but the idea of a situation where you’re literally being tortured by the contact of a chicken nugget is hilarious
Ban pornography, homosexuality, transgenderism, masturbation, and what children are exposed to should be important dress nicer and fancier and repent and worship the one true GOD JESUS CHRIST. If I had my way this country would be cleaned up and everyone would be at peace and happy because of all of these ideals.
"Give us the coordinates!"
"Never!"
"Fine then...Bring out the McNuggies!"
*"NO! NO, PLEASE! I'LL TALK!"*
Not-so-happy meal.
I hope it happens to you
weed
glad to hear ppl are finally realizing that most of the hate towards the coffee woman was mostly due to McDonald’s PR trying to make it sound like it was her fault
@QTG God It wasn’t just brewed, they kept it at 180 F without disclaimer that it was that high of a temp
@QTG God Good take bro now try taking a walk outside for once in your life.
@QTG God ignorance incarnate right here
@QTG God it was not obvious, therefore you burned her
Pretty sure the worker didn’t have the lid fully secured on the cup and that was the reason for the spill
THANK YOU for defending the coffee lady. So many people make fun of her and I remember when I was in middle school (years after it happened) she went on the news to tell her story because she was so sad people were constantly making fun of her when she was legitimately hurt and didn’t want it to happen to other people
If you can’t handle a hot cup of coffee then you probably shouldn’t be driving in public. Retirement homes exist for a reason.
@@lp1292 Why don't you look up the facts of the case? I'll just start by saying that Mcdonald's started a smear campaign against her. And she initially wanted was enough money to cover her medical and no more.
@@lp1292 The coffee was literally way above boiling point. It destroyed her vagina and legs. McDonald's fucked up on that one and it was completely their fault. We have rules and regulations specifically for situations like this.
Yeah I remember laughing about that when I heard about it at first, and then I looked into it and realized how severe the burns actually were.
@@lp1292 ??? Haven't YOU ever spilled anything?
Glad you were defending the coffee woman. I used to work at Dunkin and coffee shouldn't be no where near that hot. I got burned by the coffee and the hot water used from the coffee. I didnt even get a blister. Just a little red on my skin. I felt so bad when I first heard that story. Honestly idk what the hell the mom was doing. If I had my godson begin screaming I would have pulled over asap.
The McDonald's coffee wasn't unreasonable hot. It's the prolonged exposure that causes the burns. If you spill on your pants you have to get them off quickly but Liebeck being 79 years at the time probably didn't have the agility to do that.
@@Thulzor Yes it fucking was lmfao. The coffee shouldn't be above boiling point. McDonald's fucked up with the coffee, no need to try and white knight them.
@@Thulzor Even McDonald's admitted that the coffee was too hot.
@@Thulzor”Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchisees to hold coffee at 180-190 °F (82-88 °C). Liebeck's attorneys argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's. The attorneys presented evidence that coffee they had tested all over the city was served at a temperature at least 20 °F (11 °C) lower than McDonald's coffee. They also presented the jury with expert testimony that 190 °F (88 °C) coffee may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about three seconds and 180 °F (82 °C) coffee may produce such burns in about twelve to fifteen seconds.[12] Lowering the temperature to 160 °F (71 °C) would increase the time for the coffee to produce such a burn to 20 seconds.”
Yeah, it was unreasonably hot.
@@rose444200 No, not for a civilised country of adults. But considering the kind of warning labels Americans need you should ban the boiling of water.
She's lucky her daughter wasn't choking on a nugget with that response time.
U cant scream while choking
@strbe1041 they never said she'd be screaming. Regardless, people who are choking do make noises as well as movements that are noticeable. You do know that, right?
@@strbe1041 if you cannot identify choking without somebody screaming, please do not have kids 😅
@Don't Read My Profile Picture loser
@Don't Read My Profile Picture bot
As a former McDonald's employee (I only worked for one day) the way McNuggets are made is we take frozen nuggets, dip it in the deep fryer at the exact 160°F temperature and when they're ready we drip dry them and stick them in a heated shelf so that they're not scalding hot but they're not room temperature cold neither.
Taking this knowledge into effect I can safely say this mother should be held accountable for torching her daughter.
I've been there for 5 years, and i 100% agree. We tell people their food is fresh and really hot, but they eat it right away anyways and get mad when they're burned. Also thats a toddler, you gotta check their food, if you cant hold it between your fingers for 5-10 seconds without it being too hot, its too hot for your baby.
You don't even need insider knowledge. It's common sense that the story is bullshit.
Lets not forget the type of people who order 'made to order' nuggets and fries.@@Thebatcavepetfriendlybakery
As a toddler, I agree. We are completely untrustworthy little shits and this mother should not have given them hot food.
Lol torching. You right tho
The elderly woman who suffered those burns was incredibly deserving of that case. The public ridicule she got was ENTIRELY unwarranted. The way the media made her out to be an idiot was so disgusting. That woman deserved every penny and if you read the information on the case no one would disagree. She literally did nothing wrong the entire time.
Edit: lots of people in the comments arguing about some BS or have outright wrong information/ just trying to be jerks who clearly didn’t look in to the case / only ever watched those rude people in the news making fun of her and forming their opinions from there.
Flat out, they’re wrong. They will always be wrong. And arguing with them will only make them want to die on that hill even harder because they’re getting a reaction out of you.
Sadly the woman in question passed away back in 2005 before the shift in thinking occurred and left this earth being ridiculed and mocked.
Please don’t be cruel to the dead. All you do is look even worse than you already are.
Leave some love for her and her family instead.
mcdonalds paid for media to slander to avoid other lawsuits in the future and to attempt to lower need for payout
The public ridicule and media narrative was spun up by McDonald’s themselves to discredit her and it worked
Yea the coffee was like 250°+ when coffee should never be served over 120°. McDonald’s did a smere campaign on her that didn’t work in court, but did work in the court of public opinion. She had her skin literally melt off her body and had to have multiple skin grafts to correct it.
If anyone doubts that lady’s story all you have to do is look at the pictures of her burns. You’re right. It’s disgusting that the media turned her into a punchline - and it was all paid for by McDonald’s legal team. It legitimately almost killed her. And even though she’s been dead for years, she’s still ridiculed to this day by clueless morons that believe a narrative pushed by a multi-billion dollar corporation back in the 90’s. They’re lucky they weren’t sued for defamation.
@@djLagwayEnjoyer water cant get that hot lmao
Glad people are now defending the McDonald's coffee lady cause she had every right to sue them. Apparently she didn't even want to sue them as much as she did, she only wanted them to cover her medical bills but her lawyer fought for more to also cover for emotional damage. No coffee should give you 3rd degree burns!
Bro lol have you ever boiled water
@@defiantxkalo bro what
@@defiantxkalo You don't have to boil water to make coffee... in fact it only has to be around 96°F. Not 211° (boiling temp)
@@defiantxkalo BRO DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE COFFEE‼‼🔥🔥
Suing over emotional damage? Seriously?
Thanks Charlie for telling the facts about the poor old lady burnt by the coffee. She sued only for the medical bills. The judge gave her much more which she deserved. The media caused that poor woman so much pain on top of her skin being burnt off her thighs and private area. She wasn’t driving either. The media never corrected that story either. No money is worth what she went through.
" The judge gave her much more which she deserved."
i really hope im misunderstanding something
Didn't he give her less? I'm pretty sure she was originally eligible for around 3 million but the judge decreased it to 500,000.
@@Volti-Vagra A comma helps make it clearer. "The judge gave her much more, which she deserved."
@@Volti-Vagra Sorry I’m tired I mean she ended up getting much more money than she was asking for. She got money for the pain, suffering, degradation by Mc Donald’s and I’m so happy she won much more money than just covering the medical bills. She deserved the money in a good way. Burnt woman getting a bigger payday is a good thing.
@@SekiberiusWelkesh Yeah, the judge reduced the punitive damages.
The JURY awarded her $2.7 million.
Honestly, I still think the lady was dumb. She pinched the cup between her legs and removed the lid, which then spilled onto her.
Not exactly a genius.
However, it's always fun seeing a billion dollar company part with some of that cash, so I'm not exactly on McDonalds side either. They shouldn't be serving it that hot. They should BREW it hot but let it cool off before serving, which is what most places do now.
Thank you for talking about how awful those coffee burns were. I remember when that happened and even on the news they were making it out to be an entitled, everyone-is-suing-over nothing trend. Then a few years later there was a documentary on it and they showed pictures and it was HORRIFIC. She was an elderly lady I believe and I remember how emotional her grandson was describing the incident in the car and the agony his grandmother was in. It was disturbing.
the old case about coffee was an elderly woman in the passenger seat of a parked car and the coffee was so hot IT FUSED HER SKIN AND GAVE HER 3rd DEGREE BURNS and so corporates, after loosing, released a bunch of adds making fun of her and making her look like a joke.
I would do the same
You did so well in the first half of your comment. What happened In the second half? Lol
Ban pornography, homosexuality, transgenderism, masturbation, and what children are exposed to should be important dress nicer and fancier and repent and worship the one true GOD JESUS CHRIST. If I had my way this country would be cleaned up and everyone would be at peace and happy because of all of these ideals.
@@bruderschweigen6889 wdym bro that shit really happened, thats why most mfs were flaming the victim of the hot coffee
Can you send a link
Having someone of Charlie's reach tell about the older lady and the coffee makes me happy- I hate when people still to this day think she was somehow being a whiny baby.
eta- the woman had her genitals fused together, the coffee was so hot. i've never had a burn that bad, or down there, and I cannot imagine the horrific pain. At first, she even wanted to admit some fault and just get enough money for the treatment, but McDonalds went full evil mode, which is why the case escalated.
𝕬𝖇𝖘𝖔𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖊𝖑𝖞
120 f will scald you....
Read my name :)❤❤
Mcdick pretty much lobbied to make her seem like the one in the wrong. Her fucking labia fused from these burns
@@ypaulbrown It was 180, and it will scald from a splash, but continous pouring of a cup onto skin will result in a 2nd-3rd degree burn
Did the mother not hear her child screaming? Why wouldn’t she pull over to figure out why her kid was crying like that? There’s a very obvious difference between “I’m upset” cry and “I am actually hurt” cry, at least it’s how my siblings were growing up. Just got to the part where Charlie talks about it, and I’m glad he agrees
This and the fact that she allowed such a young child to eat in the car makes me realize she is not truly an intelligent person. Eating properly is actually a really hard mechanism. Then the fact that some people mentioned in the comments: Workers are instructed to let the fries and nuggets to chill for a while to avoid this kind of problems.
The situation as a whole is what we refer in my country as "The appetite and the famine got together".
A screaming AUTISTIC kid doesnt make much sense. Youre telling me she should KNOW a chicken nugget is burning her? While we all sit here going “really?” At the same time?? Would be the last thing she thought.
@b.e.5194 Yes. Full stop. No excuses. She should've known something was wrong absolutely. Jesus you have a room temperature IQ to even attempt (and fail miserably) to defend someone like that lmfao.
@@b.e.5194 Whether I knew what was causing the pain is irrelevant, I'd know if my child was IN pain. It's ridiculous, in any circumstance, to take 2 minutes to find out why your child is screaming in pain.
@@nema4250 that's the thing if the nugget was hot enough to cause burns that meas that time to chill would not have been applied like it should have been which would make McDonalds liable.
Also THANK YOU for defending the coffee lady!! It's so fucked up that they got away with making her look like the villain. She deserves so much better
Yeah it's ridiculous to expect that an adult human being should know that coffee is hot.
@@Thulzor Obvious bait 😂
People forget that it occurred in the days before a) cars had cup holders (they didn't) and b) drink cups had the caution hot liquid warning on it
Also, people act like they've never spilled food and beverages on themselves before. Even if it is a "hot" beverage it shouldn't cause you third degree burns.
Also, at that time McDonald's had been receiving complaints that their coffee was too hot BEFORE the coffee lady's incident, and they just ignored the complaints and kept making their coffee way too hot. So definitely McDonald's were in the wrong and needed to be made an example of.
@@inayahariffin5264 How low IQ do someone have to have if they require a warning that coffee is hot? The coffee was not too hot. The rest of the world can handle hot coffee and tea without any issues.
@@Thulzorshoe size IQ take
as a mom you can tell the difference between "i want somthing" cry and "im in pain" cry
Hell I can and I don't even have kids!
Yeah, totally incompetent.
As a dad i agree, it’s painfully obvious when, well, pain is the reason the child is crying.
I'd say even a crackhead would know the difference between a screaming pain cry to a whiney cry.
Yeah, there's a pretty big difference between pity crying and blood curdling screams.
TY for getting the coffee story correct. At the time, McDs put sooooo much money into getting news to spin the story that it used to be cited as the #1 frivolous lawsuit of all time. People thought it was all the lady’s fault.
These days, most people know it was a legitimate case, but for years, they spun it well.
I remember hearing about it for the first time and being given the impression that it was an extremely minor burn. Then I saw a youtube video on it a few years later and I was horrified by how terrible her injuries actually were. I can't imagine how awful it must have been for her to not only be injured in that way, but to then have the entire world convinced by the company responsible that she was making it up and being overly dramatic
Which the courts should not have allowed, this is retaliation for losing in my opinion. A multibillion dollar corporation lost a lawsuit & used their unlimited money to win the public opinion so it canceled out. Also the fact that they spent so much changing the narrative to fit their agenda means it was never about the money in the lawsuit, they are just vindictive and wanted the poor woman to suffer.
part of the problem with the Hot Coffee case was it was getting framed as a case of someone not understanding hot coffee is hot. at least that's how i remember hearing it. there was a very distinct lack of information being provided. if it was made clear the coffee was served well over safe temps that would have made everything clear and chances are people would have properly thrown shade at McDonalds.
@@Sniperbear13 Also Seinfeld had an episode where Kramer was burned by smuggling a cafe latte into the movie theater. Even though it’s a hilarious episode, the inspiration of it was the McDonald’s case. I just try to separate the episode from McDonald’s.
@@cream476 and to think it was the media’s “job” to inform people that this was just a retaliatory smear campaign that costs way more than what she was asking for. If the media properly informed people about that, her life would not have been ruined by mass ridicule championed by McDonald’s. Just another example of the media owned by corporations.
let's not forget that she said her daughter was screaming the whole time but she never even turned around to check what was wrong or why she was screaming in the first place
Turning around wouldn't get her a new good looking boyfriend or a pair of shoes so why would she.
MOMMA GON GET A PAYCHECK TODAY
children scream bloody murder for bs reasons all the time .
her mom prob assumed she was crying bc she dropped her food .
@@5cream5the child is also autistic I read so screaming would probably happen more often still bad by the mother and brother
Not that it makes it okay, but autistic children scream a lot. Speaking from personal experience. I screamed & cried in cars a LOT as a kid.
A brief reminder that anyone's perspective of a restaurant can be based off a single location.
I had a thing against Taco Bell for years because every time we'd order from this ONE LOCAL LOCATION, they ALWAYS magically FORGET to give us something we order. One time they forgot my DRINK.
This is true. On the rare occasion I want McDonald's I go out of my way to a different location because the one near my house always messes up. They've forgotten an entire meal when we ordered for a group of people. One time they only gave us the burgers and forgot the fries and drinks. 😾 But I'm honestly fed up with fast food in general lately. They always forget something or give us old food. For the amount we pay, it's not worth the gamble. I'll just cook at home.
I remember always hearing people make fun of the coffee lady when I was a kid. I’m glad people can at least look back with hindsight and realize that she got totally screwed over with that.
McDonald's already won though, they ran an entire indirect campaign by letting news channels know that they'd advertise there only as long as their coverage of this story aligned with what they wanted people to hear. Now it's already old news and their public image has remained unaffected. The lady also died in 2004, hurt physically by the coffee and mentally by all the stress related to the court case and public opinion.
Coffee lady has probably passed on by now, but she did win that settlement for significantly more than she asked for.. She was publicly dragged to hell and back for it, but she did win
Nah she's a total dope and always has been. Coffee hot. Can't sue myself when I burn myself at home.
@@snrkybrd how much did she get ?
Coffee can only be 100 degrees at most (boiling water), at over 100 it turns to steam. So I never understood the case. She spilled boiling water on herself and sued.
The McDonalds coffee case involved serving coffee at a much higher temperature than is even possible using traditional methods. To put it in layman terms, they were basically making coffee in a pressure cooker in order to save time resulting in a product that was extremely dangerous when it was handed to people in cars in flimsy styrofoam cups. In fact, McDonalds had been warned by their own people that it was extremely dangerous to do this and they simply ignored the warnings.
Yeah I mean they were serving literal napalm to their customers
According to Wikipedia the coffee was 180-190 Fahrenheit or 82-88 Celsius while here in Sweden McDonald's serve coffee that is 92-96 Celsius or 197-205 Fahrenheit. You need coffee to be that hot to make good coffee.
@@Thulzor making it scalding hot doesn’t make it better dude what are u talking about😂
@@aidunndidit Why don't you look things up before you comment?
@@Thulzor I did, and it seems it mostly comes down to preference.
Temperature Ranges:
120F - 140F (48.8C - 60C),
155F - 175F (68.3C - 79.4C),
180F - 185F (82.2C - 85C)
So your assertion is a matter of opinion on _one_ method of serving hot coffee, not _the_ method.
The coffee story is legit, and it's unfortunate that people view it as some frivolous thing which is exactly what corporations wanted people to think so they could start lobbying for laws to insulate themselves from liability for negligence and malpractice.
That said, I find it really hard to believe a nugget from McDonald's could even be hot. Any time I've had food from there it's been lukewarm at best.
Yep, just like that thing they want injected in everyone's arms.
In the rest of the world it isn't s problem to serve freshly brewed coffee. I hope the corporations succeed because it's ridiculous that they should have to treat adults as toddlers and be responsible for anything they do.
@@Thulzor do better next time, your bait is way too obvious
@@not_optikk Thully over there has literally responded to every single comment that has the word "coffee" in it. His last post was half an hour ago from me posting this one, *_weeks_* later! Jesus he needs to, like, go outside and make some friends or something.
Edit: used 'literally' literally too many times and felt weird about it afterwards.
@@LiarraSniffles_X3 bro fr I keep seeing him everywhere.
I think what sucks the most about this is how the *employees* of McDonalds will receive the most consequences for this, mainly in the form of hours of mindless slideshows the manager cobbled together after the previous one was sacked for "burning a customer."
I can say first hand that (at least some) McDonald's restaurants don't even care to complete their own training materials; nobody knows how to do half of the crap in there and ends up with stupid stuff like "we're out of Sprite because we don't know how to change the BIB." It would be a miracle if there was even a mention to this. This isn't the fault of employees, but rather the store managers responsible for keeping track of their employees' progress.
@@Ryan-uc6ui same with pizza hut. They do the basic important ones and then the general manager will sit there going through the rest for you while you start working.
As a wise person once said: “even though i look like a burnt chicken nugget i still love myself”
What the heck
What the dog doin?
I wonder how that kids doin
@@honoredtiger you missed the mene
@@nattylite9220 burns from a nugget apparently
Society is on the path to its downfall and eventual extinction. As a fast food worker, I remember a lady who ordered an extravagant quantity of sauces and questioned why she didn't get them for free. She proceeded to discipline me like a child for attempting to explain our company policy (she cut me off just a couple of words in), saying that she is a mother and her children would never disrespect her like that. If that's really how you raise your child, you're not giving them a bright future.
People were goofier and more dangerous, way back when.
Yes I agree. A complete downward spiral
@@billchief397People have been saying that since before Jesus was born my guy, we have records of it
I wouldn't say that's a good example of humanity's downfall, but yea that's a smooth brain moment
"My child would give me all the sauces..." That's like a kid's playground argument but with her kid. XD
As somebody who is once a child I remember being able to detect when something was hot against my skin and being able to remove it, especially if it was food I had dropped
Naw I was the nugget I locked that shit in
Damn you were the 4 year old?
As someone who's worked at McDonald's, the food is tempd daily and chicken products need to temp between 165-200 degrees, when coming straight from the frier the often temp around 185 and then are put in a heated cabinet to keep warm. Saying that nugget was over 200 is insane. I have a 4 year old and always test her food before I give it to her, if its too hot I hold it infront of the ac, out the window or simply have her wait. Beyond irresponsible of the parent, even if she was on the interstate she could have pulled over and helped her daughter in sooner than TWO MINUTES. That poor child
I work at KFC, and I agree, it’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that the food is somehow over 200 degrees. Everything we cook has to be a minimum of 185 after coming out of the fryer, and we do sometimes temp over 200, but there’s literally no way it ever stays that hot after getting packed and being given to the customer.
You are regularly holding hot food out of your window to cool it down? That's not weird at all.
@@mdn9721 When it comes to my daughters chicken nuggets or bagel minis yeah? Am I holding a whole burger or something like that out for myself, no lol
@@EvolvedProblems oh god, I misread the drive thru part. I pictured you holding food out of your apartment/ house windows :D
@@mdn9721 don’t worry bro common sense isn’t as common as people think. Don’t be too hard on yourself.
I find it impossible to believe anyone got chicken nuggets that were more than luke warm... just doesn't happen. Hot nuggets are a myth.
I got some pretty warm chicken nuggets last night. Entirely fresh nuggets after a 5 minute walk home, though.
the only fast food place ive ever been to that served me hot nuggets was wendys, I have NEVER had a hot chicken nugget from Mcdonalds. it is always luke warm at most
Hot nuggets may be a myth but let me assure you Heat Nuggets is very real
I have yet to find a hot nugget.
I got hot fresh chicken nuggets once. I still see them in my dreams sometimes. There's nothing better than that tbh but it's so rare is it even worth it to try to get fresh ones again 😔
Honestly, it's really telling how much public perception has flipped on the coffee lady. It used to be people would reference her story to compare bogus lawsuits to it. Now, the situation is reversed: new, less legitimate lawsuits are now piggybacking off of her story to make their case seem more legitimate. For what it's worth, I am glad that lady wasn't enshrined in popular culture as a con artist, she went through hell and the world at large thought less of her for it.
I haven't changed my perception at all. Coffee is always hot. I'm not gonna be LESS careful with it on the off chance it isn't hot this time.
@@AChunkyDog Yeah but it doesn't change how McDonald's blatantly gaslit her and lied to everyone to make her seem hysterical.
That's case law for ya
Theres a reason we all had that perception. They used her case and others like it to put caps on damages in all lawsuits. In a lot of states, even if you are awarded 100 million dollars, you can only recieve like $500k now. The media put cases like hers in the news to show the "need" for the caps.
Only in niche communities like this
Most normal people still (unrightly) think she was in the wrong
I work in the kitchen at a CFA and the fryers cook at around 325 degrees. Chicken comes out around 180-190. It sits in the fryer for 3-4:30, depending on if it's nuggets, strips, or fillets.
never did I ever think I’d see drama about chicken nuggets of all things
Fast food, what more is there to expect
@@poopdealer_ A lot more, I assumed by chicken nugget drama that the chickens nuggets my grandfather planted in Romania have finally surfaced and began their absolute domination over our planet
Yet I was taken a fool
Chickie nuggies, as SSSniperWolf calls them
weed
Thank you for defending the poor Hot Coffee woman. The burns were so bad her labia fused together. McDonalds went out of their way to make her pain a joke to this day.
they did what 💀
@@wetsocks3499?
The what fused together???
Shouldn't have spilled HOT coffee on yourself
@@retro__791 you're too young if you don't know lol
I think it’s more likely the mom thought that the child was screaming because they spilled the nuggets, and not because they were actively being burned by a nuggy.
Maybe. Kids scream about everything.
@KingKami nah kids are dramatic as shit.
@KingKami - The general rule with YOUNG kids, especially when driving, is if nothing you could see having caused actual harm to them has happened then they're probably throwing an emotional fit. Like, for real, a kid in a car seat that spilled their nuggets would cry for 2 minutes. You don't pull over every time your kid fusses that they're sad. You'll never get to where you're trying to go. Four year olds just aren't capable of emotional regulation, and the best you can do is try and talk them through it while driving.
@KingKami Bro it very well could be. My brother would scream for minutes if not more at a time over literally nothing on the floor squalling. And it could have been as simple as I wanted chicken strips not chicken nuggets as a relevant example. He would absolutely shriek if he had an itch because he thought it was pain I guess, I don't know XD. But you'd think he was dying and then it would just be an itch when you asked him or he would get confused between hot and cold, A LOT. Kids are fucking weird as fuck. Especially in my case where he had Asperger's.
Though this is still a stupid case, just your perception of that is wrong.
@@CrystalisQ your poor kids.
Interesting fact part of the reason why the woman from the coffee incident got so much money was because the legal team from McDonald's almost literally called her an idiot for getting burned so bad from coffee.
Yes Charlie, you’re exactly right, the 79-year-old woman only asked for medical costs, that Medicare couldn’t pay for when she sued. It was the jury that saw McDonald’s didn’t give a shit who awarded her 2.7 million dollars, which was reduced to 400k by the courts. Then after she won, McDonald’s went on a smear campaign against her!!! When she only sued for medical costs!
With the nugget case, she gave the child the nuggets, which were regular temperature nuggets but fresh off the fryer. She handed them back to her kid who drops them, one gets caught between her car seatbelt and her skin, and yeah 2 WHOLE MINUTES and HER MOM RECORDS HER DAUGHTER’S SCREAMS - which her daughter is autistic! But her recording it is really rubbing me the wrong way, and yeah not sure how she won this.
new generation of internet parents are well aware they can take advantage of autistic kids for content / money
She knew what she was doing if she was recording. If she had time to pull out her phone and record, she had time to pull over to help her daughter.
@@user-lt2rw5nr9s get the fuck outta here and then when ur kid needs medical attention and u cant pay for it enjoy proving anything to the courts
Years ago Fred Durst accidentally broke a fans nose with his microphone and the person won 5 million. It’s disgusting the court cut back the money by over 2 million! The pain that woman went through not just physically, but was harassed and had her name dragged through the mud by the media and regular people must have been so stressful and demoralizing. Jokes about you on TV constantly. She should have gotten the full amount IMO and a public apology from McDonalds. Not to mention the 500 people who complained or were injured the managed to keep quiet. That woman deserved to live in complete comfort and not have to worry about money again. Wonder if it was age discrimination. Some idiots thinking “she’s not going to live much longer she doesn’t need that much” kinda mindset.
Medicare 100% COULD pay those costs. Saying they "couldn't" is an absolute lie.
I hope the child gets justice, this nugget deserves a life sentence.
Fr
The mom ate it.
Read my name :)
@Frank Dickerstein why would a mom eat her own child 😢
@@inubst8126 because the nugget won.
There was no damn way she didn’t feel how hot the box was before she gave it to her kid.
The box that's usually served in a bag that she probably tossed in the back seat? You're giving her too much credit
This was my thoughts as well. But only if she grabbed them out of the bag. Who knows what really happened 🤷
Oh no we are not repeating history.
Bro have you ever held a box before..
I guess she really did just hand the entire bag to her kid and didn't check.
Handled this argument perfectly. Sadly you have to spell everything out for some people because they can't think for themselves so you have to do what there parent didn't in teaching them to not make an issue about something your not willing to use your brain
I’m so glad I started working at McDonald’s AFTER the coffee lawsuit. One day I worked a morning shift and was switching an empty coffee pot with a full, FRESH brewed one and ever so gently accidentally tapped them against each other. The full pot shattered and drenched hot, fresh coffee all over me. I was fine, it just hurt a little, but I dread to think what would’ve happened if the coffee was as hot as the lady’s 😭😭
That's also why I don't drink their coffee. I brew mine at 200 degrees.
Crap, I just realized the coffee they serve at the hotel I work at is heated to 200°F. Our coffee is hotter than the coffee that permanently disfigured Stella Leibeck. And most of the people who drink our coffee, are elderly people often confined to wheelchairs. It’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
unlucky
@@2nukitv218 Not as problematic as a drivethrough. Liquids in a car have a much higher chance of spilling, whereas coffee in a hotel can stay still on a table, unless there's an earthquake. Either way, you can just wait for a bit before serving the coffee so that it gets slightly colder.
@@leonro the small problem with that is that there aren’t any tables and most of these people are going around on mobility scooters. But yes, I see your logic.
I bet she thought her kid was crying because she dropped her nuggets when in reality she was crying because she was being burned
fr! She probably kept telling her to stop crying and that she’s fine. I guess she started recording after she realized what was happening and than it was pure negligence
Typically there’s a huge difference between a child crying and screaming vs being in pain. While it might sound like shrieking for both, a parent is usually able to tell if the child is crying over spilled nuggets or is currently getting 2nd degree burns
Dont get why the daughter just didnt sit up
@@KOhamii or pushed the nugget out of the way
Idk, upset crying and pain crying are pretty distinct, especially with burns. The kid was probably shrieking rather than crying
As a Parent, it should be common sense to check your child's food if they're a certain age. Specifically for reasons like this. The mom should have checked the temperature before hand, instead of just giving her daughter the meal. Even though it seems that this would be that One In a Million situation, because I've never gotten steaming hot nuggets from any Mcdonald's, and I've been getting those for about 30 years now.
This is exactly what I was thinking, and I’m *not a parent!* I have very, very, VERY little experience with kids, and I know you make sure food is at a safe temperature before giving it to a child…
As a parent of a current 4 years old I trust him to be old enough to understand when something is too hot and to know to wait, brake it or blow on it if it is.
I would also probably think the initial cry would have been because he spilled the nuggets not because he was hurting.
Kid thay young first response is still to cry first and articulate what's wrong later.
So until he outright say that he is hurting or cry become clearly pain cries I also don't think I would have stopped immediately.
@@amraswoke6762 my dad was an Alcoholic too.
@@thatonemovieguy-h4b Yeah, it shows
damn a bonding moment between an alcoholic and a kid of an alcoholic. Precious.
I’m an Ex Crew Trainer for McDonald’s. I just want to say that our friers were set to 255 Fahrenheit. If the frier dipped below 215 then the frier alarms would go off and say they were too cold. The nuggets would come out of the frier at around 180-210 depending on a couple factors. If there were no nuggets ready in the holder, then it is possible to get a completely fresh batch straight from the frier. If that was the case, that means they were busy and didn’t let the basket drain properly and it’s very possible that the nuggets were miss handled.
This video is a year old, so I don’t expect anyone to read this, but if you do. I hope these numbers help. I’m not an expert on burns either so I have no clue if that is evidence enough to have a lawsuit, but there are the standardized numbers of the friers and temp checked nuggets none the less.
The bit about chicken: fried chicken has to be cooked at a really high temp in oil in order for the meat inside to cook and the breading to basically flash-cook hot and crispy. Typically if you’re making standard fried chicken you’ll cook it somewhere around 350 in hot oil at much quicker time for chicken nuggets in particular. The nuggets can possibly be really hot enough to burn the skin if they’re fresh and they served the nuggets very quickly.
I second this, I work at KFC & our fryers for fries, popcorn, & patties are at a constant 350, and our pressure fryers heat to 330 - 360 (the chicken in these is cooked for around 15 minutes, aside from tenders, which are cooked for 4:20) when the chicken comes out of the fryer it has to be a minimum internal temperature of 185 or we have to throw it out. It usually reaches 200 or a little above.
It's likely also that liquid burns more easily at lower temps, too. But I don't think a 200+°F nugget stuck to a toddler's skin for *2 MINUTES* would've only caused a 2nd degree burn.
McDonald’s chicken nuggets are fake and they are microwaved when you order them ,they getting NO where near those temperatures
@@Major003 A second degree burn is still too much of a burn. Especially on a toddler.
@@Major003Really depends on if it was directly contacting the skin, or burning through something. Hot liquids will soak through a fabric and contact bare skin regardless, a dropped nuggie would not. At worst, a small amount of oil would soak in, but it wouldn't be the same as spilling the equivalent temperature in fluid on yourself
Child ate nuggets before the one burnt her leg but was not harmed by any of them. I think that makes it pretty clear that the nuggets were not dangerously hot.
fr. any food will burn you if it's pressed on you long enough. it's ridiculous that they're acting like ONE nugget out of 30+ is some evil molten lava antagonist 😭💀 like the mcdonalds employee was having a rough day so they just decided to add a 200 degree nugget out of spite lmao
Most likely the mom ignored or was irritated at her daughter, yelling at her to do it herself. Knowing how parents treat their kids, most definitely.
Obviously not if she created a whole lawsuit around it. She also from the sounds, still pulled over to remove the nugget?
So sure it's definitely the moms fault and there are not external factors that could have caused any of this. Just shitty moms being shitty moms right?
sounds like you're projecting...
@@4for4for4for4 it makes sense when you consider the mother left her kid unattended for two minutes straight.
@@luz2949 better hope she never has to cook for that child and take her eyes off of her for *gasp* two minutes.
Buddy they were in the car together, how unattended was she really?
Breaking news, driving cars is negligant parenting.
@@luz2949 she was driving, she can't just turn around and help immediately.
I got 2nd degree burns on my hands and wrists when I was like 7 or 8 from losing balance while on a mini trampoline which resulted in me grabbing onto the nearest object, an (unknowingly) still-hot grill, for like not even 10 seconds, and recently I've gotten small 2nd degree burns on my arms while accidentally bumping into a hot oven door (twice lmao) while working in a kitchen and the contact lasted not even a second. I have scars from both of these events too. a CHICKEN NUGGET burning a child to the same extent as getting burns from a hot grill or hot oven door is a very wild thought.
Idk I work in fast food, hot food probably wouldn't even have to be fresh from the frier to cause damage if it was pressed against your skin for over 2 minutes like in this case. Which I personally think the food wasn't fresh because I feel like fresh chicken would do much more damage.
I remembered during the whole hot coffee incident people mocked the woman like "noo coffee hot? Teer heer 🤤" but I have yet seen anyone mock this one despite being way more deserving at least towards the mother since she literally ignored her daughter for 2 minutes & somehow that's McDonald's fault
Its literally just because news outlets attacked the old woman siding is Mcdonalds and calling the lawsuit frivolous so most peoples first access to the information was very one-sided and ignored alot of the facts.
Things somehow were a lot better when companies were scared of being sued over the coffee being too hot
I feel like you have to have never gone out in public if you don't know people tend to ignore their kids crying, like all the time
@@RobotronSage Based
Kids will literally cry and scream over anything. The mother put nothing in the back seat with her child that she would have thought would hurt him. It is not her fault that she thought he was crying prob because he dropped his nuggets or whatever. It seems the kid was either too young or unable to communicate that he was being burned.
Im calling it now. This is the origin of a chicken nugget villain. It has all the need parts:
- Neglectful mother
- Traumatized while young
- Burn shaped like a nugget, where nugget powers are sourced from
All we need is a director, and we got ourselves a new movie!
😄😄😄 "nugget powers"!
The Nuggie Thuggie
Nugget from kindergarten origins
*neglectful
@@PSVCHXPVTHXC you read my mind
"my disdain for multi-billion dollar corporations is outweighed by my disdain for bad parenting" YUP 👏
Apparently nobody wants to go to bat for McDonald’s, but every time somebody sues them after getting 2nd to 3rd degree burns from their food and drink, everybody comes out to defend McDonald’s because they can’t see how they would have personally had that issue.
Yeah because it’s very stupid lol 2 minutes anyone could have stopped the burn from happening, anyhow food should be assumed to be hot when getting it maybe don’t give it to the child till it cools down? Lol
@@stripesd Everyone said the same thing about the hot coffee, but later realized there was a reason she won the lawsuit. Instead of getting your news from some guy on RUclips saying whatever comes to mind based on how he feels, you could actually inform yourself. She won the case, but idiots online most likely don’t know that and still opt to defend a shitty corporation because they don’t have the ability to empathize with different experiences they think they wouldn’t personally have the same problems with
I'm impressed the chicken nugget was able to keep warm for 2 minutes.
Was thinking the same. 🤣
EXACTLY the fact that it was capable of 2nd degree burns after that long IS THE EXACT POINT
@@crazynachos4230 I want them that hot lmao😂
I wish my fries can do this too
Truth, I've never got fast food that hot ever, especially the fries
As a Dad of 9+ years and two kids. This is absolutely the parents responsibility. If you were that concerned about the nuggies being too hot, maybe you shouldn't have given them to your toddler in the backseat then. McDicks isn't liable here.
Damn it would’ve been so much better if you said “McDonald’s isn’t liable here, McDick is.”
@@zeroonunison9415 I mean, they are dicks, food they make is subpar 98% of the time and they always mess up order + nothing changed for the past 20-30 years with them so yea, they dickies
Yeah I never give my kids super hot food without blowing on it.
Stop giving your kid McDicks goddamit
@@Blake1720 a second degree burn is a great lesson. It taught me to be careful around fire. I remember as a 4 year old or so, i stepped in the ashes of a campfire. Know how many times ive done that since?
I was a manager for McDonald’s for 3 years, recently quit a couple weeks ago. At 10:00 everyday we do something called “change over” to get everything ready for lunch by 10:30. Part of that process is temping out the product and making sure it’s not under/overcooked. At my particular McDonald’s the frying vats were set at 350 degrees and the nuggets cook for 3:30. When those nuggets are fresh and you put the pyrometer in within a minute of them coming out, they can be pretty hot, ranging from 190-205 degrees, so I could maybe see this happening if her nuggets were straight from the fryer. That being said tho, they’ll cool down to a warm enough temp not to cause damage within 5 minutes, that’s why we have 2 trays, if one runs out you drop some more and when they come up you can put them in the cabinet and let them cool down while also staying warm enough to be enjoyable.
Probably for the same reason all the freezer section nuggets I've ever bought at the Supermarket say "let stand for 5 minute before consuming" because you want to internal temperature of at least 165F to lower to none scalding temps
Reading this comment makes me so damn hungry what the hell
yeah i had never seen a nugget under 200 when i would take temps
Only 2:30? Our nuggets, filet, and McChicken go down for 3:30 at My store and Crispy chicken goes down for 7 mins flat, but I'm a night time manager so the temp check and changeover Is done by the time I come in so I don't know what they coming out to, I'd guess about 180 tho cus I've burned my mouth on fresh nuggets
@@WeAre1Legionit can probably depend on the temperature of the air inside the restaurant. The colder it is, the faster they cool down. Maybe those times were used in winter in a state up north, or maybe they're from Florida and their AC is crazy low 🤷🏼♂️
A couple of things I thought of- the kid was probably in a carseat in the backseat. The mom probably glanced back and didn't see the nugget because it was under the seatbelt. A 2 year old baby is going to have much more delicate skin than an adult or even a teen. That said, it's on the parent to monitor the kid and it's probably not a good idea to give food to kids who can't clearly tell you if there's a problem. The kid could've just as easily choked and the mother not notice until it's too late. Would she have blamed the restaurant for that?
The kid wouldn't have been screaming in pain if she were choking. They tend to be very vocal about injuries.
I bet the reason she took so long to respond to the kid screaming was because she thought the kid was screaming BECAUSE the kid dropped her nuggies, not because of pain.
ngl if she can't tell the difference between a sad "NOOOO MY NUGGIESSSS" and a "IM IN SO MUCH FUCKING PAIN HELP" scream, she should pay more attention to her kid
@@rainblue4789 Yea I think the real reason she took so long might have to do with her missing a few Chromosomes💀
Yeah because a child in extreme pain is going to be able to articulate immediately what’s wrong in order to receive assistance. Kids scream, a lot. I’m absolutely not defending this stupid bitch, but quit assuming that every situation is as black and white as your mind wants to paint it. I have a kid and can tell the difference between a pain scream and something else. This “mother” is absolutely failing at protecting her child like she should’ve, but your method of assumption is dangerous and stupid.
@@URsooomad8613 balls
@SKV no she clearly has more chromosomes than us we can't possibly speak against such wisdom
"Shut up!"
"Shut up back there!"
"Quit crying and eat your nuggies!"
"OMG THIS IS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT!"
AdamantineAxe over here was in the passenger seat the whole time I guess.
@@athing8523 He was the car.
@@Silbdog I can confirm, I was one of the cars nearby
@@athing8523 Nice Mecha Dokk PFP
She's a sack chaser. She probably knew what was happening. Or what you quoted could've been exactly how it started.
Thanks for telling the real truth of the hot coffee story. That poor woman suffered a horrific burn and then, to quite literally add insult to injury, McD's engineered a cover story of her being clumsy and whiny. When the incident had been the fault of their negligence.
I've gotten first degree burns on my elbow and hand. Very mild, but they still hurt (and were itchy when they were healing.) I can't even begin to imagine how painful third-degree burns on your crotch must be.
ive only had mild burns from hot oil and it was on my face but i cant imagine my lady bits being burned. jesus christ
@@aristobrat4987Not just burned. The coffee melted her skin and she went into shock. She was partially disabled for two years after the incident. Absolutely tragic story.
You never give a little kid hot food without checking it yourself. I don’t even like kids and yet I’ve always checked the temp first
This happened to me when I was a kid. I dropped a fry and it burnt my inner thigh and I cried, but I usually was kind of an asshole in the car so my parents just figured I was having my normal tantrum. When we got home and realized I burnt myself they felt bad but they didn’t go an sue McDonalds… that’s ridiculous
I'm hoping the woman's only suing because she doesn't have a basic knowledge of burns work .
When I worked at a place frying chicken, it was normal for the chicken to be 185 in the coldest area and 215 in the hottest areas, but the time letting the oil drain off of it was plenty to get it down to a temp that wasnt dangerously hot. Also I have left chicken in the fat fryer and forgot about it, it doesnt liquify, it crystalizes, turning into something so hard no mortal could attempt to bite into it.
Goddamn
I wanna make crystal chicken at home now
@@DaveSmith-pc4uljesse, we have to cook crystal chicken
This does strike me as a mother who ignores kids when they are distressed pretty often
Chick actually drove 2 mins with her kid screaming in the back, imagine being like this
Never knew chicken nuggets could cause so much suffering
Have you ever tried eating one?
@@runaway74 Bro if you are suffering trying to consume a chicken nugget then you need to talk to someone about that
@@p-__ 3:10 3:12 3:13
Chicken nuggets are pain and suffering. Especially according to That Vegan Teacher.
@@JustPineappleit's not about eating it. It's what comes after...
Forging temperatures can range from 2,150-2,375 degrees Fahrenheit. Charlie is a literal superhero for only suffering a second degree burn.
The truly "mother of dragons" lol
He basically got hit by a spark, third degree burns are more common with larger chunks of slag
depends more on time than temperature
not true. you don't get metals up to their melting point to hammer and shape them. blacksmith forging is usually1400 F - 2000 F but any ember is going to be at several hundred. hot brass at a range is going to give you a severe burn before a spark from blacksmithing would
I love Charlie, but as someone who welded, this is an extremely common occurrence. He's tough, but not quite super in this department.
This is like a parent blaming TV for the problems with their kids, while constantly parking the kids in front of the TV to get time to themselves each day.
Ikr it’s like parents blaming their kid’s violent behavior on video games while letting their 7yo play Call of Duty and Battlefield
@JP not that more they arent mature enough for online shooter games, id prefer my kid start with somthing closer to his age group and move up from there, also many bad habits can be learned from cod lobbys as im sure you are aware of.
Next minute they'll be blaming McDonald's for their kid being fat :p
@@xroukle8137 yeah that’s what I meant sorry that it was worded weird
This is absolutely lunacy that she ended up winning this case
Thank you for bringing attention to the reality of coffee incident. It's sad how many people don't realize just how serious her injuries were
Many coffee machines and stores still sell at that temperature(which is the recommended temperature by the national coffee association too, as you can easily find on its website), McDonald's included I think. Every state that has online court records, you can find a similar case and in 99% of them, the "victim" is found to be responsible. Which is also why McDonald never cared in the past and still doesn't care. I take my coffee every morning at the temperature she was burned at.
The only reason McDonald's lost is because it was an old woman and they appeared too cold, in terms of legal precedent and common sense, she was 100% in the wrong. Every state has precedents stating that even the warning about "hot liquid" is redundant because the expectation of the product is that it is hot enough to burn and no reasonable human is ignorant of that fact. An old woman should have enough experience with life not to hold hot liquid between her thighs. It's the meme of the guy starting the chainsaw with the blade held by his crotch except a chainsaw has a safety.
they don't realize it because of the campaign that McDonalds did to make it look like a frivolous lawsuit
@@ildarion3367 lol bruh you have zero idea what you're on about. the location is question actually had their coffee machine turned up past corporate standards. It has nothing to do with "oh she shouldve expect a hot coffee so shes liable"
even if the coffee is hot, i've never received 3rd degree burns from spilling one on myself. gtfo with that
@@ildarion3367 It was over 250 degrees compared to the 200 degrees it should've been nice shot tho slim
Btw only kids and women don't disable the safety on their saws💀
@@URsooomad8613 Wait what, really? Water is literally boiling at that point. How did nobody, be it the worker or the woman, notice that?
Having worked in food service, fried chicken absolutely does come out of the fryer with an internal temperature of 200+. But also the time it takes to throw in a sandwich/box, serve, and then be eaten by the customer, should be more than enough time for the temperature to drop
Likewise. I wanted to point out in a rush situation, the whole order is ready to go except one item (the nuggets) and they came out of the fryer piping hot, into the bag and directly to the customer in seconds.
And yea, cooking food internally TO 165° doesn't mean the external temperature is the same. It's way hotter, say as hot as the liquid it's being cooked in...
EXACTLY. that’s what isn’t making sense about this. I worked at mcdonald’s, the nuggets are fully touchable writhing 60 seconds MAX. (even if immediately placed in the warmer) Obviously this mom is wonky but tbh i think there’s gotta be an issue with the warmers or something. i don’t get how this could happen without some kind of malfunction.
I've gotten 3rd degree burns from a burning paper plate, and had skin graft surgery, it's a serious injury. The fact that poor woman suffered that from COFFEE is actually scary to me, and I'm so glad she got what she deserved in that lawsuit. I'm sure that was months of pain, on top of months of healing...
Sadly she only got a fraction of the original ruling, but I guess it's still than nothing
@@ShadowEclipse777 IIRC she eventually succumbed to the injuries a couple years, though maybe I'm remembering that wrong.
Imagine checking the temperature of food before giving it to your child. Utter lunacy.
Gosh, that old Mc Donald's coffee law suit you mentioned. That one was so famous we even knew about it all the way over back home in Italy. Also 5:40 "the fire department would have showed up". 😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a Dad of 2 kids (age 5 and 3) my kids will drop their nuggets on their laps all the time and never whined about it being too hot usually, and whenever my kids do drop something hot on them sometimes I react fast swiping it off, I’ve even taught them to react and now they get it off themselves. I hate that parenting is being pushed on companies now. People will have kids but they don’t want to be parents
What I don’t understand is why she didn’t blow on the food first. I always do that.
The child is autistic and was 4 years old when the situation occurred. She got the burns because the 160-degree to 200-degree chicken nugget was trapped between the seatbelt and leg, and she still has scars from the event in the present. I recommend you look at the pictures to understand better because the way Charlie explains them doesn't do the burns justice. The woman was also driving while her two children in the back received their happy meals. You could ask why the sibling in the back didn't help their sister, but maybe they didn't know what was happening and would only let the mother get the chicken nugget out. Plus the mom was driving on top of it, so by the time her daughter started screaming because of the burn, she didn't have anywhere to truly pull over for two minutes. It's likely a situation of the franchise owner potentially crunching workers and having them cut corners to get food out faster. So the oil in this case likely wasn't shaken off or the chicken nuggets weren't sat for the allotted time they were supposed to.
@@KingofKnowhere not saying the mom is a bad mom by any means but each time I have given my kids a happy meal I always open it and blow on it because kids are super sensitive to hot food. I’m curious why she didn’t do that.
@@KingofKnowhere That makes it worse knowing she is autistic! Maybe don't feed your kids hot food while you're driving then, before checking it yourself. McDonald's do have parking lots. So many ways to avoid this but I'm sure the Mother is loving it! The huge payout she'll receive. There's a reason every thing we buy in America has so many dumb warning labels & it's bc of people like her. Neglect, I'm lovin it!
@@KingofKnowhere It still comes back to the parent. Let's say the child choked on the food whilst the mother is driving and it takes 2 minutes for her to pull over and help the child, is it the parents fault for letting their child eat whilst they drive or the restaurant for serving them food? The mother didn't need to be driving, let them eat in the car whilst parked, park and eat inside or reheat the meals when you arrive home if it's a short drive and you don't want to wait. I don't fault parents for things like this when the chances of an accident is so low but to blame others when that low chance accident occurs is ridiculous.
As someone who worked in fast food I do believe a chicken nugget can get that hot, but it's something that would only really happen during a lunch/dinner rush, or if you ordered like a hundred nuggets. I was usually the person to put together orders and I'd tend to tell people "hey, just so you know your nuggets/fries/chicken sandwich is very hot," but I'd never say it was a responsibility, it was a way to try and get people to calm themselves when they've been waiting in a busy drive-thru. Heck, I never got burned by anything working there, despite the time I got a batch of fries still dripping oil dumped on my hand.
Bottom line, any burn that child got was a result of that mother's negligence, and I think she's doing whatever she can to make it look like she's not a horrible parent
Exactly. Really shouldn't let children, especially that young eat in a car anyway.
@@botarakutabi1199 Especially if they have a condition that would allow stuff like this to occur more frequently. The mother is a neglectful idiot.
Thank you, Charlie, for demonstrating that getting hot nuggets could make me even more lucky than I initially had hoped. So if I ever get a hot nuggie, I'm not only going to have the rare decent fast food meal, but a decent payout too.
"It's the mom's fault" it's mother's day Moist you a savage for droppin this today like this 🤣 im in tears
Ban pornography, homosexuality, transgenderism, masturbation, and what children are exposed to should be important dress nicer and fancier and repent and worship the one true GOD JESUS CHRIST. If I had my way this country would be cleaned up and everyone would be at peace and happy because of all of these ideals.
I can chime in on this!! I work at Pizza Hut, and sometimes our wings come out around 200 depending on the heat of the oil(cause we have a set cooking time). But for this to have happened, that shit had to come out of the fryer, be bagged, handed to her, and she gave it straight to a toddler. This is a case of bad parenting. Case closed in my mind.
Lier lier pants on fire kid
If food is handed to a customer while still at a temperature that is actively dangerous to touch, much less eat, that is definitely the fault of the restaurant.
@cookiesaplenty3346 that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You must have never had fajitas at Chili's.
@@teresafloridayeah your food should be hot and the employees always told us "be careful it's hot".
@teresa do you think sizzling fajitas are marketed as appropriate for unsupervised toddlers? Brainless comparison, too dumb for the jury.
I remember laughing at the hot coffee case and thinking that it was just some scam to get money from McDonalds, but after I watched LegalEagle’s video about the incident, I realize that maybe there really was a case and that the old lady deserves to be compensated.
Wrong. Not maybe. Try definitely. Her skin melted and fused together.
not maybe , literally there was a case. imagine if you poured boiling water on your vagina or penis. its not just a burn. this womans burns were so bad i think she actually had a disfigurement case. they could have left her unable to urinate , be sexually intimate , anything. i never knew why people laughed at this. it must be that your life has been so safe , so nice and so sheltered , that youve never even had something as simple as a burn. i envy you. but that might be why you were so flabbergasted by it.
@@aristobrat4987 Yup, that’s my exact reaction tho, I was kinda taken aback, but now I am rock solid in my belief that yes, there is a case to be made here.
@@Kirby-vd7hw Yup, totally agree with you. There is a case.
She deserved a Darwin Award, not a monetary payout.
THANK YOU for telling the whole damn story for the coffee lady. So many people give her shit and call her stupid despite the fact coffee SHOULD NOT be giving people 3rd degree burns
Take a shot every time Charlie says "pressed against skin" and you'll probably get liver damage.
hi 1 hour ago, I might give that a try but with beer sips
Common American L
I'd barely get a buzz.
Challenged accept
Joke’s on you I’m an alcoholic
My heart goes out to Charlie. The "Huge drama" condition has been proven to be contagious recently and we are now seeing the effects of the disease reach a new host.
Was looking for this comment 😂
pyro moment
@@thisoneis Slop.
Io looove slop
I miss the old charlie, before he was garbage person.. Dude, i remember when i was only subbed to 10 people..back when he had only 1 mil subs.. he was my fav.. now hes in the same category as all the other douches. im really kinda sad about it all fr.
This video just proves that bad mother's can blame everything on another person or thing once their bad parenting comes to light
Fun fact: my grandpa was the attorney in the case of the coffee incident. He helped win the lawsuit vs mcdonalds. Miss him every day but I can always tell that story.
As someone who is super aware of how the coffee lady originally only asked for her medical bills to be paid and only sued when Mcdonalds refused. Plus her wounds were so severe because they were serving like near boiling point coffee and then spent millions astro turfing a media campaign to make her seem like a crazy litigious person. I will never give them any benefit of the doubt.
Many coffee machines and stores still sell at that temperature(which is the recommended temperature by the national coffee association too, as you can easily find on its website), McDonald's included I think. Every state that has online court records, you can find a similar case and in 99% of them, the "victim" is found to be 100% responsible. Which is also why McDonald never cared in the past and still doesn't care. I take my coffee every morning at the temperature she was burned at because that's the temperature it comes out of the machine at.
The only reason McDonald's lost is because it was an old woman and they appeared too cold, in terms of legal precedent and common sense, she was 100% in the wrong. Nearly every state has precedents stating that even the warning about "hot liquid" is redundant because the expectation of the product is that it is hot enough to burn and no reasonable human is ignorant of that fact. An old woman should have enough experience with life not to hold hot liquid between her thighs. It's the meme of the guy starting the chainsaw with the blade held by his crotch except a chainsaw has a safety.
@@ildarion3367 You do not drink 195 degree coffee. Also the "National Coffee Association" says
Ultimately, the temperature at which any individual coffee drinker will prefer their coffee is a *personal preference, like so many other things that make coffee special* These are some of the reasons why it is best to serve coffee right after brewing, when it is fresh and hot. Cupping quality standards suggest brewing at 200˚F. *When serving hot beverages, especially in retail or clinical care settings which present risks for burning or scalding, lower temperatures should be considered.*
So cut your bullshit.
@@mallninja9805 "should be CONSIDERED"
You do not drink it right as it is served but you want it served hot. You misunderstanding english is really none of my concern. Cut your bullshit and get english lessons, it's my 4th language and I'm more fluent than you.
Here is one more for you: McDonalds still serves it at the exact same temperature and there are hundreds of court reports available online that found that it's a fine temperature to serve at. If you're convinced the old lady had a good cause, why isn't McDonalds losing billions right now? Because under normal handling, all those cases are thrown out or lost.
@@ildarion3367 stop dickriding a billion dollar company 💀
@@mallninja9805 Ildarion has been going around the comments defending McDonalds. It's actually a poor paid intern at this point.
I'm the dad of a 14-month-old and if a chicken nugget got lodged in my kid's leg and they were screaming about it my immediate reaction would be to pull over and help them, not finish driving home and let the chicken or whatever had hurt them continue to burn their skin. Absolutely a parenting issue.
No where in this did it say she finished driving home. And if the drive home was 2 minutes away from mcdonalds I'm sure she would have just made her wait to eat it until they were home. The mom could have been literally stuck on the highway with no where to turn or pull over or stop. Why are you acting like parents have control over absolutely everything?
As a mom to two kids, a toddler and a newborn. My toddler screams about every little damn thing. You have not even reached the terrible twos yet where they scream about legitimately everything.
Also why are we acting like children don't have pain tolerances as well, why are we acting like maybe the child didn't notice it burnt her until it actually started hurting. She totally could have been happily munching on nuggets and then "oh ow my leg hurts mom"
@@Eveninggrace2000 have you gotten a second degree burn? At SOME POINT, the kid is gonna start to scream, and the mom apparently knew how long it had been there, so i assume it was probably pretty quick.
Also- are you saying you cant tell the difference between your kids being rowdy and your kids being in genuine prolonged pain?? like, regardless of the reason, if a kid is screaming at that level (which i guarantee she was, its a 4 year old, they can usually talk well enough to explain at least that theyre in pain) you should pull over, or at the very least figure something out.
I'm the dad of a 13-month-old and if a restaurant's negligence to improperly serve food wounded my child, I would get a lawyer and a jury verdict in my favor like this mom did.
@@pughat5233 I have gotten 2nd degree burns quite frequently. I've melted the flesh off of my arm at the age of 7 when making fish sticks for my mom who had a torn rotor cuff.
I've also burnt myself on numerous bangers and nails heated by torches. No you don't always scream. You don't always cry.
And my daughter earlier today screamed like someone had genuinely ripped her open but it was because she didn't want to watch mickey mouse any more. So???
Again this child could be on the spectrum or have numerous other underlying things that we did not hear about. Again she could have been in a stretch of road with no area to pull over safely? Like holy crap again there are external circumstances that can cause this too not just a mother being negligent. I'm again saying the court case is a little dumb because it seems like an idiotic accident but again there are so many reasons other than "this mom is shitty"
@@MoarCheeseBirb so you order fast food expecting fresh, hot food then complain that its hot? its absolutely a parenting issue and also, if you let something like this happen, you're a horrible parent.
...I'm honestly suprised McDonald's Drive-Thru was fast enough to get the Nuggets out that hot. Props to the Crew for a Record-Setting Lunch Hour.
Whenever they serve me food that fast and fresh, they always say that it is fresh and to take caution. Even they know that isn't the norm.
I’m a manager at McDonald’s and it’s almost impossible for the woman’s nuggets to be that piping hot. One of my tasks at McDonald’s is to check food temperatures and when nuggets first come out, the max temperature they reach is maybe mid 190’s but rarely 200. They cool down relatively fast and at my McDonald’s, we use three nugget trays. Unless nuggets were absolutely flying that day, the lady would’ve received the oldest batch of nuggets or even worse, the nuggets that have been sitting out (leftovers). The other way her nuggets could’ve been piping hot is if she asked us to cook her nuggets to order. Like mentioned before, nuggets ARE hot when they first come out but by the time the nuggets reached the customers, It would’ve cooled down considerably. But if that were the case, she would know not to put the nuggets in the kids lap because they are cooked to order = very hot!
All I wanna say is how tf does a mom let a screaming child suffer that bad from a burning chicken nugget 😭
Because parents don’t want to parent
@@homechump I feel like this is an important point. Like if she's driving 2 minutes is a great response time. A four year old is in the back seat, and the nugget stuck behind a seatbelt isn't gonna be easy to know. I mean you don't pull over the moment a child starts crying because you don't know why they're crying. She had to determine what was up, pull over, and remove the nugget. This is impressive to do in two minutes.
at that point just unbuckle the kids seatbelt and let the kid move
She's a sack chaser and didn't want to waste an opportunity.
@@infrequent036 while driving?? Jesus you people have no fuckin idea
I REALLY hope that this was a mother being a fool. If she was willing to intentionally put her children through pain in order to extract a payday, this is probably not the last lawsuit of this nature that she will be filing. That scares me for the kids' sake.
okay nah that's just straight up conspiracy level of this situation, there's like almost no way a mom could do this.
@@TheRealModiK psychopathy isn't a trait unique to males
It's unlikely and there is nothing to suggest that is the case here.
But some moms can absolutely certainly do something like that
@@TheRealModiK yeah you are right this would be the WORST thing a mother has done to their kid if so. DEFINITELY. My god what kind of sheltered life do you live where you think 'no way a mom could do this'. There are mothers who literally kill their children.
@@anniellusion sounds like this dude needs to learn about Casey Anthony.
@@anniellusion lmao what
why are you so aggressive
what did I do to you
mother instincts is a thing
I'm with you that this situation doesn't warrant a lawsuit however charging $4.29 for a large fry is unequivocally criminal and they deserve to be sued
yeah.. fast food used to be fast and affordable, now it's just food.
My brother, the soft serve cones are 85 cents each now. They used to be 60 when I was a kid. Fucking inflation
I am completely with you there
Fast food should stay in their fucking lane, supposed to be cheap and accessible, not shit you shell out $10+ for. That's why we go to restaurants.
Well yeah. Chat with President Inflatin about it.
I remember seeing instructions on Trident gum saying to unwrap the piece first and then chew. Now you're telling me I gotta remember hot food is hot?! This is far too much for me to remember
As a 3rd and 2nd degree burn victim,I can for suresay there really is a huge difference between them
seconded, i received mild third degree burns all over my scalp as a 4 year old and god damn was that so excruciating i think it made me sentient, like my first memory was that shit to this day my head is super sensitive on hot days. meanwhile i get second degree burns every other day getting my food out of the oven because i have clumsy caveman hands and that aint shit
@@DanniDerpy fr, it goes from putting some water and pressure on it for relief to needing some Buttcheek skin to replace that mess.
Charlie saying that 2 minutes is a long time, it really gives me a lot of confidence in myself. Thanks..
The fact that someone was able to WEAPONIZE A CHICKEN NUGGET scares me
Whats even more American about that is weaponizing it on accident and hurting yourself with it
You haven’t seen the 2b2t’s community have you
2 minutes is how long it takes for a chicken nugget to get cold anyway
The most astonishing part of this story is that McDonalds sold hot food
A lot of stores here are really good now. Always order a custom burger without mustard or something. You’ll get a hot fresh burger. Fries you can ask for without salt. If they aren’t busy they might do it depending on the restaurant. So there’s ways to get hot freshly cooked food there
Not in Australia, when I ordered a fucking meal right, so the chips, burger and drink, there wa no drink, I literally got only 2 thirds of what was paid for
@@secondBAR I read that in an australian accent 😂 but yeah the whole getting fresh stuff only works if they care enough, I once specified no salt on the fries cause I didnt want to die that day and they didnt give a shit lmao