It's cliche, but I'm going to go with Creed. A lot of the early post-grunge bands tried to keep some semblance of 'authenticity', like Silverchair, Seven Mary Three, etc. But then Scott Stapp showed up with his leather pants and Jesus poses, and it was all over lol
I think the issue with Post-Grunge isn't even so much that they were watered-down and commercial sounding, it's that I think after Kurt died people, especially in the music industry, saw it as a closing of an era. I remember reading a quote from one of the guys in Mudhoney that when they released an album in around 1995 a lot of critics turned on them for being "grunge". Post-grunge was seen as a shallow hold over from a bygone era because those in control of the pop music narrative at the time decided that grunge died with Kurt Cobain. I'm not saying that the overly commercial nature of many of the post-grunge bands didn't help with tarring the genre, but you really can't write off ALL of the bands lumped into it with that same criticism. I think it would be hard to call a group like silverchair sell-outs, when they were clearly just a young band that wore their influences on their sleeves to start with.
In addition to Kurt's death, you also had Layne Staley's worsening drug issues, Pearl Jam veering away from the mainstream spotlight and Soundgarden breaking up. Much of the element of teenaged rock angst had migrated from grunge over to the 'fresh' sound of nu metal or industrial stuff like Manson and Rammstein. Just as the record labels dropped the hair metal bands when grunge blew up, they found their new meal ticket after the grunge dust had settled.
Honestly I feel like post grunge gets trashed on way too much A lot of people are so quick to dismiss it because everybody goes by the whole thing that these bands ripped off the Seattle bands and their style when they didn't if anything I see they were more either influence store inspired by their music I don't look at them as quote on quote "Nirvana rip offs" as everyone likes to call them and this is another thing I also need to say too I know there's most likely Nirvana fans in the comment section but as much as I'm a Nirvana fan they were not the only band that existed in the '90s there's plenty of great bands that were around during the '90s that really don't get the credit they deserve and honestly I feel like they were a lot more better than Nirvana to be honest even the other bands that came out of Seattle world why better than Nirvana and they were better singers than Kurt to be honest this isn't me trashing on Nirvana or trying to say they suck because I'm a fan of their music but I'm not going to sit there and put them high up on the list of best bands of the '90s when there was plenty of great bands that were on the '90s just people didn't want to give them a chance
Love your content man. I would definitely love to see you do a Days of the New video possibly in future. Such an underrated band and especially, that debut album.
I have no idea how this came up on my feed but you just gained a new subscriber. Every word you said was brutally honest. This is a great video & I am going to share it. I will also check out your other videos.Well spoken & very to the point with a nice speaking voice. Thank You.
I didn’t think much of Creed when they were new, but I’ve come to respect them more over time, and they have some good songs. They were very commercial, but they were good at it. And different. Don’t disagree about any of the others. Forgettable at best. But I’m also not a fan of grunge. A lot of poor playing and nihilism, and unfortunately that bore itself out in the way almost all of the lead singers of the biggest bands went. Severely depressing. Grunge ruined rock for a long time.
4:18 Did you start writing this script in 2023? If anything Creed's more beloved now than they were back in the day. They've already made a ridiculous amount of money and their tour hasn't even started.
Although I get why they're ranked higher, I personally don't think Puddle Of Mudd is anywhere near as bad as Trapt, Saving Abel, Hinder and Theory of a Deadman. They definetly suffer from inconsistency (Not to mention Wes and his abundance of legal issues), But when they tried they could make some pretty solid stuff for radio. Granted, That almost exclusively applies to the first two albums. Everything from Famous onwards can get pretty bad. Though I think their biggest issue above all else was the fact that they were esembled by Fred Durst, Puddle Of Mudd prior to his involvement was a late era grunge band with a completely different lineup and sound. Their 1994 and 1997 releases sound much more like grunge than anything those bands did in the 2000's. (Not that I really care much about authentic grunge anyway but Wes Scantlin was very much of the era) Had the original lineup still been together, We probably would have gotten a far better debut than Come Clean was. I still like that album and I'd even say that Life On Display was the best thing that lineup produced period. But I could live without Control and Blurry if it meant their musical output would be better. The other bands though... Yeah, I love Staind's first few albums and think early Creed and Nickelback are decent. But the rest is sludge that only exists because Nickelback and Puddle Of Mudd were too big for their own good. (Well besides Trapt, They're just bland) When it comes to Post-Grunge for me there's a certain subsection of it that I like VS Another that I don't. The subsection that borrows from Nu-Metal and focuses more on real issues like drug addiction, depression ect. (I.E Shinedown, Seether, Godsmack, Staind, Chevelle, Early Avril Lavigne, Three Days Grace, And Early Puddle Of Mudd) is what I like, I even prefer them to the original grunge bands for as controversial as that may be to say. ...Now the subsection that borrows from glam metal and focuses more on creating dude-bro smut anthems on the other hand? (I.E Theory of a Deadman, Hinder, Buckcherry, Saving Abel, Half of Nickelback, My Darkest Days, Pop Evil) That's not my thing and I think most of it is god awful. The only Post-Grunge smut anthem I actually love is Control by Puddle Of Mudd, But that song's energy carries it so hard to where the lyrics don't even matter. Idk, I grew up after the grunge era so I didn't really care about what was or wasn't percieved to be more authentic. I respect it obviously but it didn't grab me nearly as much as Nu-Metal, Classic Rock, Or actual good Post-Grunge music. But that's just me. Linkin Park sort of defined my musical taste so I lean towards their style of writing/production more.
@@thrxghtheflxmes Yeah, I'm still not the biggest fan of Volume 4 in comparison to the first three but I can tell that Wes was still trying on that one. I even give Welcome To Galvania a pass since it was the first album in over a decade and came from a good place. (Just needed better mixing and vocals) I don't know what went wrong with Ubiquitous, It's not the worst album I've ever heard but the mixing is hot garbage and most of the songs I genuenly liked were songs that were already available prior like Poke Out My Eyes and Dance With Me/Piece of the Action, U Wrekd Me was the only new song I liked. And the rest is like you said, A sloppy mess of demos. (The demos of those demos sound better than the entire album) I wasn't there so idk what happened to Wes in between Galvania and Ubiquitous, But things took a turn for the worst after the pandemic. I've heard nothing good since then.
post-grunge sucks almost all the time - I have some respect for Staind though - Aaron Lewis is a genuinely good singer - who isn't a lame Cobain/Staley imitator - they also have some good songs from back in the day - & innovated enough to belong just as much in the nu-metal camp - thanks for the great video!! 🤟
I'd be tempted to add Stone Temple Pilots to that list - but they were quick enough to rip-off Alice In Chains - while grunge was still happening - I'll probably catch some hate - but for me STP definitely belong here in spirit
There were also some pretty good bands that I wouldn't necessarily describe as 'post-grunge' but rather 'non-Seattle grunge' like Nudeswirl from New Jersey, Paw from Kansas and Greta from LA among others. You could also put Stone Temple Pilots in this grouping as well.
I feel like this list can be wildly subjective, something you never said it wasn’t. It’s like fashion. Cyclical and fast fading. Some of the bands mentioned I hadn’t even heard of and some I’d argue that you just didn’t like them because they “sounded like Kurt” because they were seemingly all mashed together at a similar time, since you appear to be pretty young. The thing is, you can try your best to be the Rich Little of singing, but it doesn’t work that way unfortunately. I thought Scott Weiland had a VERY distinct voice then a guy on one of those dumbass singing shows comes on and covers one of their tunes and now he’s their singer. Music is far too subjective to rate, but these kind of videos are fun to slam those we didn’t like. I was never a Nickelback fan, but some I did enjoy debuts of many of them, and I dare say Dysfunction is what put Staind on anyone’s radar which was an amazing album before they turned to ballad after ballad. Even Come Clean was a good first album, but for most of these bands, that I have heard of, there was a steep fall off after their first album. It is difficult to say what PEOPLE like, but I’d argue this is probably a rock fans list for sure. Nickelback has sold more albums than I’ve jerked off in life and that’s a mental image to leave you with for both concepts. Be good, stay safe.
Staind's first album dysfunction is really good. I didn't care for anything much after that. They played with Korn and did all that old stuff, it was awesome.
Facts I find it funny how people are so quick to say that a lot of the post grunge bands in this video were Nirvana rip offs which is funny because these bands sound a hell of a lot better than Nirvana this isn't any hate towards Nirvana they are another one of my favorite bands from the '90s but facts are facts
Didn't like Creed i thought they were really forcing the grunge Eddie vedder thing.(Scott) Even the band Silverchair wer trying to be Nirvana😅smh.. bloody hell..the industry was desperate to hold on to the grunge music/look.
Want to be honest Eddie vedder wasn't the only singer to have that kind of vocal style there's plenty of singers that I can think of that had that kind of vocal style to say that Scott stapp ripped off Eddie vedder's vocal style is kind of silly to be honest because neither one of them invented that kind of vocal style there's plenty of singers did did it before them it just started to become more popular because of grunge
I would remove Nickelback and Creed and replace them with Godsmack and Buckcherry, I never thought Buckcherry was good and Godsmack's first three albums were great (even if they are extremely derivative and basically copy other songs, as is the case with Time Bomb, which is basically Last by Nine Inch Nails), but everything that came after was horrible, specially the recent ones.
I was going to add Buckcherry but they're not really influenced by Grunge nor have that sound. They sound more in line with 80s hard rock. But I agree, both Buckcherry and Godsmack are far from great bands
Post-grunge and nu metal were just terrible. Due to a myriad of factors (Rick Beato has a good grasp on the history if you want to look it up) grunge was basically the last organic and pure musical movement in rock. Sure there was the Post Punk Revival which was pretty cool but it didn’t have nearly the cultural impact that grunge did.
Honestly the point I was missing for the longest time is that it’s okay to indulge in these kinds of downright evil pop-rock songs sometimes. It’s kind of like ironically watching reality tv occasionally
Your out of your mind dude. I will a accept that Wes Scantlins covering About A Girl really sucked and I never liked Saving Abel either but the other ones I love a lot.
The original grungemeisters were praised for their authenticity but they were difficult to manage. As soon as the fat old white guys in suits found out there was so much money to be made wearing dirty clothes they just ran it into the ground. It was so much more lucrative to just manufacture post grunge bands out of mediocre talent. It’s very reminiscent of the manufactured teen idols of the early 60s. The original first wave rockers were difficult to manage too when you consider chuck berry and Jerry Lee Lewis along with tragic figures like buddy holly. So much more lucrative to turn up the collars on Frankie Avalon and Fabian. Fans weren’t fooled by these no talent pretty boy payola wannabes and they were soon listening to Motown and the British Invasion. Post grunge lasted until the next cash cow came along and then the cds went out at yard sales for 25€
The real question is: Where does post grunge end and butt-rock begin?
That is an excellent question lol
It's cliche, but I'm going to go with Creed. A lot of the early post-grunge bands tried to keep some semblance of 'authenticity', like Silverchair, Seven Mary Three, etc. But then Scott Stapp showed up with his leather pants and Jesus poses, and it was all over lol
I think the issue with Post-Grunge isn't even so much that they were watered-down and commercial sounding, it's that I think after Kurt died people, especially in the music industry, saw it as a closing of an era. I remember reading a quote from one of the guys in Mudhoney that when they released an album in around 1995 a lot of critics turned on them for being "grunge". Post-grunge was seen as a shallow hold over from a bygone era because those in control of the pop music narrative at the time decided that grunge died with Kurt Cobain.
I'm not saying that the overly commercial nature of many of the post-grunge bands didn't help with tarring the genre, but you really can't write off ALL of the bands lumped into it with that same criticism. I think it would be hard to call a group like silverchair sell-outs, when they were clearly just a young band that wore their influences on their sleeves to start with.
In addition to Kurt's death, you also had Layne Staley's worsening drug issues, Pearl Jam veering away from the mainstream spotlight and Soundgarden breaking up. Much of the element of teenaged rock angst had migrated from grunge over to the 'fresh' sound of nu metal or industrial stuff like Manson and Rammstein. Just as the record labels dropped the hair metal bands when grunge blew up, they found their new meal ticket after the grunge dust had settled.
Honestly I feel like post grunge gets trashed on way too much A lot of people are so quick to dismiss it because everybody goes by the whole thing that these bands ripped off the Seattle bands and their style when they didn't if anything I see they were more either influence store inspired by their music I don't look at them as quote on quote "Nirvana rip offs" as everyone likes to call them and this is another thing I also need to say too I know there's most likely Nirvana fans in the comment section but as much as I'm a Nirvana fan they were not the only band that existed in the '90s there's plenty of great bands that were around during the '90s that really don't get the credit they deserve and honestly I feel like they were a lot more better than Nirvana to be honest even the other bands that came out of Seattle world why better than Nirvana and they were better singers than Kurt to be honest this isn't me trashing on Nirvana or trying to say they suck because I'm a fan of their music but I'm not going to sit there and put them high up on the list of best bands of the '90s when there was plenty of great bands that were on the '90s just people didn't want to give them a chance
Agreed that bush started strong, too many people write them off as a Nirvana rip off
When I saw the title of “something in your mouth”, I immediately knew what it was referring to.
Love your content man. I would definitely love to see you do a Days of the New video possibly in future. Such an underrated band and especially, that debut album.
Appreciate it! You’re in luck, I talked about Days of the New two weeks ago
@@TheMusicNarrative oh shit. I didn't even realize, RUclips didn't give me any notifications
@@progandcompany2601No worries. RUclips is inconsistent when it comes to notifications for some reason
Alright, I must ask. You brought up Bush...
What are your thoughts on +LIVE+?
I have no idea how this came up on my feed but you just gained a new subscriber. Every word you said was brutally honest. This is a great video & I am going to share it. I will also check out your other videos.Well spoken & very to the point with a nice speaking voice. Thank You.
I appreciate it!
@@TheMusicNarrative I shared 2 of them on Twitter. In between doing other things.
I didn’t think much of Creed when they were new, but I’ve come to respect them more over time, and they have some good songs. They were very commercial, but they were good at it. And different. Don’t disagree about any of the others. Forgettable at best. But I’m also not a fan of grunge. A lot of poor playing and nihilism, and unfortunately that bore itself out in the way almost all of the lead singers of the biggest bands went. Severely depressing. Grunge ruined rock for a long time.
I feel Wes’ vocals on About a Girl were based off Nirvana Unplugged. He really tried to do the Kurt unplugged version and it was just bad
I love when he went "Rrrreeeeeooorrr!". Sounds like an old cat lol
Wes is not really a bad singer he's better when he's singing in his own style and not trying to sound like someone else
Blurry is a banger
Creed eventually realised their potential when they switched Scott Stapp for Myles Kennedy and changed their name to Alter Bridge.
They’re not postgrunge though. They were just commercial rock stuff
4:18 Did you start writing this script in 2023? If anything Creed's more beloved now than they were back in the day. They've already made a ridiculous amount of money and their tour hasn't even started.
@@rawkguy4896 Creed or mostly Scott took alot of heat for over a decade after his Kid Rock hangout.
Although I get why they're ranked higher, I personally don't think Puddle Of Mudd is anywhere near as bad as Trapt, Saving Abel, Hinder and Theory of a Deadman.
They definetly suffer from inconsistency (Not to mention Wes and his abundance of legal issues), But when they tried they could make some pretty solid stuff for radio. Granted, That almost exclusively applies to the first two albums. Everything from Famous onwards can get pretty bad.
Though I think their biggest issue above all else was the fact that they were esembled by Fred Durst, Puddle Of Mudd prior to his involvement was a late era grunge band with a completely different lineup and sound. Their 1994 and 1997 releases sound much more like grunge than anything those bands did in the 2000's. (Not that I really care much about authentic grunge anyway but Wes Scantlin was very much of the era)
Had the original lineup still been together, We probably would have gotten a far better debut than Come Clean was. I still like that album and I'd even say that Life On Display was the best thing that lineup produced period. But I could live without Control and Blurry if it meant their musical output would be better.
The other bands though... Yeah, I love Staind's first few albums and think early Creed and Nickelback are decent. But the rest is sludge that only exists because Nickelback and Puddle Of Mudd were too big for their own good. (Well besides Trapt, They're just bland)
When it comes to Post-Grunge for me there's a certain subsection of it that I like VS Another that I don't.
The subsection that borrows from Nu-Metal and focuses more on real issues like drug addiction, depression ect. (I.E Shinedown, Seether, Godsmack, Staind, Chevelle, Early Avril Lavigne, Three Days Grace, And Early Puddle Of Mudd) is what I like, I even prefer them to the original grunge bands for as controversial as that may be to say.
...Now the subsection that borrows from glam metal and focuses more on creating dude-bro smut anthems on the other hand? (I.E Theory of a Deadman, Hinder, Buckcherry, Saving Abel, Half of Nickelback, My Darkest Days, Pop Evil) That's not my thing and I think most of it is god awful. The only Post-Grunge smut anthem I actually love is Control by Puddle Of Mudd, But that song's energy carries it so hard to where the lyrics don't even matter.
Idk, I grew up after the grunge era so I didn't really care about what was or wasn't percieved to be more authentic. I respect it obviously but it didn't grab me nearly as much as Nu-Metal, Classic Rock, Or actual good Post-Grunge music. But that's just me. Linkin Park sort of defined my musical taste so I lean towards their style of writing/production more.
@@thrxghtheflxmes Yeah, I'm still not the biggest fan of Volume 4 in comparison to the first three but I can tell that Wes was still trying on that one. I even give Welcome To Galvania a pass since it was the first album in over a decade and came from a good place. (Just needed better mixing and vocals)
I don't know what went wrong with Ubiquitous, It's not the worst album I've ever heard but the mixing is hot garbage and most of the songs I genuenly liked were songs that were already available prior like Poke Out My Eyes and Dance With Me/Piece of the Action, U Wrekd Me was the only new song I liked. And the rest is like you said, A sloppy mess of demos. (The demos of those demos sound better than the entire album)
I wasn't there so idk what happened to Wes in between Galvania and Ubiquitous, But things took a turn for the worst after the pandemic. I've heard nothing good since then.
I really like Staind and Nickelback.
post-grunge sucks almost all the time - I have some respect for Staind though - Aaron Lewis is a genuinely good singer - who isn't a lame Cobain/Staley imitator - they also have some good songs from back in the day - & innovated enough to belong just as much in the nu-metal camp - thanks for the great video!! 🤟
you should do an international version of this video featuring Bush Seether & Silverchair!! 😂
I'd be tempted to add Stone Temple Pilots to that list - but they were quick enough to rip-off Alice In Chains - while grunge was still happening - I'll probably catch some hate - but for me STP definitely belong here in spirit
Shocked Stone Sour didn't make this list as their 2006 album hits every bad post-grunge stereotype whenever the double bass isn't hitting.
is Seether a post grunge band?
yes - of course
Yes and extremely underrated and incredibly talented.
There were also some pretty good bands that I wouldn't necessarily describe as 'post-grunge' but rather 'non-Seattle grunge' like Nudeswirl from New Jersey, Paw from Kansas and Greta from LA among others. You could also put Stone Temple Pilots in this grouping as well.
I feel like this list can be wildly subjective, something you never said it wasn’t.
It’s like fashion. Cyclical and fast fading. Some of the bands mentioned I hadn’t even heard of and some I’d argue that you just didn’t like them because they “sounded like Kurt” because they were seemingly all mashed together at a similar time, since you appear to be pretty young. The thing is, you can try your best to be the Rich Little of singing, but it doesn’t work that way unfortunately. I thought Scott Weiland had a VERY distinct voice then a guy on one of those dumbass singing shows comes on and covers one of their tunes and now he’s their singer. Music is far too subjective to rate, but these kind of videos are fun to slam those we didn’t like. I was never a Nickelback fan, but some I did enjoy debuts of many of them, and I dare say Dysfunction is what put Staind on anyone’s radar which was an amazing album before they turned to ballad after ballad. Even Come Clean was a good first album, but for most of these bands, that I have heard of, there was a steep fall off after their first album.
It is difficult to say what PEOPLE like, but I’d argue this is probably a rock fans list for sure. Nickelback has sold more albums than I’ve jerked off in life and that’s a mental image to leave you with for both concepts.
Be good, stay safe.
Staind's first album dysfunction is really good. I didn't care for anything much after that.
They played with Korn and did all that old stuff, it was awesome.
Actually Dysfunction is their second album.
@@talesxavier5752 Most people consider the first album with Fred Durst, and the new Mudshovel as their first.
But yeah.
I'd rather listen to Creed than Nirvana. Solid band and solid music until Stapp had his meltdown.
Facts I find it funny how people are so quick to say that a lot of the post grunge bands in this video were Nirvana rip offs which is funny because these bands sound a hell of a lot better than Nirvana this isn't any hate towards Nirvana they are another one of my favorite bands from the '90s but facts are facts
Didn't like Creed i thought they were really forcing the grunge Eddie vedder thing.(Scott) Even the band Silverchair wer trying to be Nirvana😅smh.. bloody hell..the industry was desperate to hold on to the grunge music/look.
Want to be honest Eddie vedder wasn't the only singer to have that kind of vocal style there's plenty of singers that I can think of that had that kind of vocal style to say that Scott stapp ripped off Eddie vedder's vocal style is kind of silly to be honest because neither one of them invented that kind of vocal style there's plenty of singers did did it before them it just started to become more popular because of grunge
I would remove Nickelback and Creed and replace them with Godsmack and Buckcherry, I never thought Buckcherry was good and Godsmack's first three albums were great (even if they are extremely derivative and basically copy other songs, as is the case with Time Bomb, which is basically Last by Nine Inch Nails), but everything that came after was horrible, specially the recent ones.
I was going to add Buckcherry but they're not really influenced by Grunge nor have that sound. They sound more in line with 80s hard rock. But I agree, both Buckcherry and Godsmack are far from great bands
still better than what rock is today. I would rather be a hated band in this video than a struggling band today
I saw puddle of mud in Victorville at the fair and there was a 13yo girl signing all the lyrics along with scantlan it was bad
To be honest I like Creed first album 😅
It's not bad. I'll defend that album but the rest I just can't.
This and 99€ will get you a free pair of pantyhose at Woolworths
Post-grunge and nu metal were just terrible.
Due to a myriad of factors (Rick Beato has a good grasp on the history if you want to look it up) grunge was basically the last organic and pure musical movement in rock.
Sure there was the Post Punk Revival which was pretty cool but it didn’t have nearly the cultural impact that grunge did.
Honestly the point I was missing for the longest time is that it’s okay to indulge in these kinds of downright evil pop-rock songs sometimes. It’s kind of like ironically watching reality tv occasionally
Wes Scanlon's version of About A Girl is the WORST cover ever, even though I find it hysterical!!
Your out of your mind dude. I will a accept that Wes Scantlins covering About A Girl really sucked and I never liked Saving Abel either but the other ones I love a lot.
That’s crazy putting creed on here no taste
The original grungemeisters were praised for their authenticity but they were difficult to manage. As soon as the fat old white guys in suits found out there was so much money to be made wearing dirty clothes they just ran it into the ground. It was so much more lucrative to just manufacture post grunge bands out of mediocre talent. It’s very reminiscent of the manufactured teen idols of the early 60s. The original first wave rockers were difficult to manage too when you consider chuck berry and Jerry Lee Lewis along with tragic figures like buddy holly. So much more lucrative to turn up the collars on Frankie Avalon and Fabian. Fans weren’t fooled by these no talent pretty boy payola wannabes and they were soon listening to Motown and the British Invasion. Post grunge lasted until the next cash cow came along and then the cds went out at yard sales for 25€
Puts the 2 best ones on the cover lmao
I agree with most of the video .. However our success to is subjective to us who have goals it seems at the end of the video you put the viewer down
there’s no such thing as an awful radio hit. There’s just radio hits that you don’t like
I thought creed had some good songs. Nickelback i thought there radio hits were really boring and seemed to be manufactured hits.
That’s crazy that Arron Lewis gets hate cus he has opinions. Not everyone wants to be a libtard
I think Silver Side Up is a good album.
Not just good, But Fantastic.
They made $$$€$$$all that matters
🙏🏾😌🙌🏾
Match box twenty sucks, Creed sucks pretty much all of them except Bush 👍