Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 Review

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  • Опубликовано: 3 фев 2025

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  • @3TooWonder
    @3TooWonder 8 лет назад +81

    I honestly feel that Dbx 2 is the closest we've gotten to Tenkaichi 3

    • @winglessangelful
      @winglessangelful 8 лет назад

      basic latina mina so it's not trash

    • @president.z2566
      @president.z2566 8 лет назад

      AJ!zzL3D yeah If you just sit back and take in the combat system you can see how hard they tried to make it like tenkaichi

    • @andrewb799
      @andrewb799 8 лет назад

      AJ!zzL3D yea a little bit it's still missing some characters or there transformations at least.

    • @goku1805ify
      @goku1805ify 8 лет назад

      AJ!zzL3D the combat system is wayyyy too different and not fluently like it was in budokai tenkaichi 2-3

    • @OHJEZUZ
      @OHJEZUZ 8 лет назад +9

      Uhhh Raging Blast 2??? Lol

  • @DessawHD
    @DessawHD 8 лет назад +144

    I still stand by what I said no DBZ game yet has come close to Bodokai Tenkaichi 3

    • @winglessangelful
      @winglessangelful 8 лет назад +1

      Dessaw many have

    • @president.z2566
      @president.z2566 8 лет назад +1

      Dessaw yeah but you can see how hard they tried to make it like tenkaichi

    • @mastersonic707
      @mastersonic707 8 лет назад +2

      tenkaichi was trash, dude

    • @JOSHUAHEROO
      @JOSHUAHEROO 8 лет назад +1

      Raging blast 2 was real good. I was even playing it recently in on PS3.

    • @leew5647
      @leew5647 8 лет назад +9

      mastersonic707 You're trash

  • @SuperCeasar777
    @SuperCeasar777 8 лет назад +154

    TBH I don't agree with this review, but I have to give the video a like because I want to see you and the GI crew grow on RUclips

    • @rron3847
      @rron3847 8 лет назад +10

      Jordan Ceasar the game is just xenoverse 1 with everything patched and slightly different fighting system

    • @evilovesperry
      @evilovesperry 5 лет назад +1

      @@rron3847 so it's a sequel?

  • @forrestgreen4925
    @forrestgreen4925 8 лет назад +116

    I know this is off topic... But I just ate the best orange ever.

  • @MountOozaru
    @MountOozaru 8 лет назад +14

    That body switch Blvck pulled off was legendary bruh. That stream was oh soo lit.

  • @LoadedClipsGaming
    @LoadedClipsGaming 8 лет назад +51

    My favorite DBZ will always be Budokai 3. Nothing has beaten it yet IMO

    • @NasTheGod215
      @NasTheGod215 8 лет назад +14

      Proddi G budokai tenkaichi 3 > budokai 3

    • @LoadedClipsGaming
      @LoadedClipsGaming 8 лет назад +4

      BLVCK close, but personally I still gotta go with Budokai 3. Tenkaichi 3 was dope too though.

    • @spinybro1014
      @spinybro1014 8 лет назад +1

      Indeed it was dope

    • @Aura_m93
      @Aura_m93 8 лет назад +6

      Proddi G legit tenkaichi budokai 3*

    • @thehanukkandor590
      @thehanukkandor590 8 лет назад

      Proddi G dude foreal that's he one to really get down on

  • @ToxicNeeko
    @ToxicNeeko 8 лет назад +26

    I honestly trust these reviews more then I trust anything

  • @UncoloredPageGaming
    @UncoloredPageGaming 8 лет назад +31

    they should've waited another year tbh, it's so weird that they came out with another so quickly

    • @matthewsjuwon
      @matthewsjuwon 8 лет назад

      UncoloredPageGaming it was a money grab they knew dbz fans would by it regardless

    • @RobSj97
      @RobSj97 8 лет назад

      UncoloredPageGaming yeah they should've especially for steam there are too many probelms for the steam version

    • @OtakuUnderground92
      @OtakuUnderground92 8 лет назад

      UncoloredPageGaming should have waited 2 years. Xenoverse 1 took two years and look what we got.

  • @JransomTV
    @JransomTV 8 лет назад +95

    Xenoverse 2 is what xenoverse should have been, still a lot of problems though. 7 out of 10.

    • @shaqinthebox3417
      @shaqinthebox3417 8 лет назад

      Damon Ransom But then some of the problems not matter what they did Couldn't be changed because of the console differences

    • @tdogg56132
      @tdogg56132 8 лет назад +1

      Damon Ransom I completely agree same score I'd give it

  • @RobToria
    @RobToria 8 лет назад +11

    Been playing xenoverse since i got it i never get bored

  • @Dr0coles
    @Dr0coles 8 лет назад +1

    That Cooler theme had me thinking I was at the bar, song had a build up and everything

  • @Keymaster1997
    @Keymaster1997 8 лет назад +42

    And ibet there's still no beam clashes

    • @UncoloredPageGaming
      @UncoloredPageGaming 8 лет назад

      Keymaster1997 I can't believe they haven't thought about it for 2 games now

    • @tdogg56132
      @tdogg56132 8 лет назад +1

      Keymaster1997 no clashes period I want to button mash to see who wins. Im a button mash beast

    • @UncoloredPageGaming
      @UncoloredPageGaming 8 лет назад

      J.I.Rex it's not there right now, nigga, that's the issue

    • @Scarz_King
      @Scarz_King 8 лет назад

      beam clashes is just gonna ruin online gameplay nobody really cares for that but they could've put some sort of beam clashes in offline play atleast

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      There are in expert missions.

  • @andrewb799
    @andrewb799 8 лет назад +5

    Black u can use the kame house feature when u make a team it makes everything easier when on a team.

    • @BrokeGuysEntertainmentTV
      @BrokeGuysEntertainmentTV 8 лет назад

      you still gotta jump through hoops to form a team just to go inside and kame house does not change the fact I have to back out the lobby and choose another mission, might as well stay at the reception desk. All kame house does is save you a few extra clicks.

    • @andrewb799
      @andrewb799 8 лет назад +1

      BrokeGuysEntertainment don't know what hoops are.(I think ur talking about like the loading screen to get to kame house idk) but why would u pick a reception desk when in kame house u have a quicker way of doing pq and 3v3 with out having to go walk,hover,or fly to another reception desk all u got to do is stand at a invisible wall and press circle.(isn't the house a nice little thing they added to?funny shit happens in there sometimes)

  • @xXSonTJXx
    @xXSonTJXx 8 лет назад

    Cool I'm hyped for this review!

  • @777anbuitachi
    @777anbuitachi 8 лет назад

    always reliable reviews, keep it up TBH

  • @mosley6426
    @mosley6426 8 лет назад

    Bro good look on this, I was waiting for a savage review.

  • @WheresWill
    @WheresWill 8 лет назад

    Shout out to you TBH, you're an inspiration to my new youtube channel, much love

  • @alrightagain4605
    @alrightagain4605 8 лет назад +2

    Honest review thanks!Finally

  • @SoulGlow88
    @SoulGlow88 8 лет назад +18

    that switch tho lmao

  • @BulletBoy2011
    @BulletBoy2011 8 лет назад

    I've been looking foward to thus review. can't wait to see what he has to say

  • @hzzzzz1
    @hzzzzz1 8 лет назад +9

    I might get it during the Christmas sales or black friday.

    • @elponyalfaro7216
      @elponyalfaro7216 8 лет назад +5

      i will try and get it during black friday but i might need to be prepared to punch some people

    • @urgoodpalal8649
      @urgoodpalal8649 8 лет назад +1

      Hugo Ruiz it's going to be $25 at best buy on black Friday for ps4

  • @OtakuUnderground92
    @OtakuUnderground92 8 лет назад +7

    I'm glad you told the truth TBH. Xenoverse 1.5 ain't worth it right now.

  • @genouzumaki5380
    @genouzumaki5380 8 лет назад +13

    Mad people disagreeing but everything was straight facts. TBH always keeps it 100

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад +11

      Geno The Gamer people can disagree. A lot of people like this game. And to be honest, TBH has gotten some facts mixed up and left some details out in the past. I mean he completely dismissed story elements that were really cool in xenoverse 2, didn't even mention the new transformations, didn't mention the qq bang system. These are things I feel people should know. I'm not saying TBH is lying or trying to make the game look bad, but sometimes his reviews aren't perfect.

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      jaquan541 Bullshit. Plus you missed the point, I said story elements.

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      jaquan541 Then stop being a troll.

  • @AceKillenHoodz
    @AceKillenHoodz 8 лет назад +12

    Tenkaichi 3:Legendary Updated Roster
    Nuff said............

  • @hotboykaise
    @hotboykaise 8 лет назад

    Always putting out the best reviews. TBH always on it.

  • @Flambingo
    @Flambingo 8 лет назад +11

    Love the game, and I agree with this review 100%.

  • @DZlegend
    @DZlegend 8 лет назад +10

    Idk man I'm really loving this game. Theres a few things that need to be fixed mostly that fucking turn around bug when mid combo ur character just turns. Tenkaichi 3 has always been my favorite but Xenoverse 2 is definitely up there in my opinion.

  • @ForeverMatuk
    @ForeverMatuk 8 лет назад

    I gotta say. I haven't bought DBX2 yet and was feeling kinda left out. I can say I trust this man's reviews more than anyone else. Respect to you and the GI crew.

  • @roguecontro8881
    @roguecontro8881 8 лет назад +1

    "Now enough time to choose from the roster online." Must've been late.

  • @random0activity
    @random0activity 8 лет назад +8

    Gameplay is a mix of Ciara and NHL 14

    • @aquariuskudo
      @aquariuskudo 8 лет назад

      random0activity NHL 14 was that game bro.

  • @ballhog-v4t
    @ballhog-v4t 8 лет назад +2

    So the last Xenoverse's servers were completely down am I correct?

  • @TheMotionzElite
    @TheMotionzElite 8 лет назад

    My fav DBZ fighting game was Burst Limit. Was super underrated and could've been something amazing with a few tweaks and a bigger roster

  • @jdumbia2887
    @jdumbia2887 8 лет назад +3

    The best open field dbz game was budokai tenkaichi 3, but the best side scrolling dbz game was budokai 3. hoping for another side scroll dbz game this generation with great intense graphics.

  • @tonybrown8770
    @tonybrown8770 8 лет назад +1

    imo i think they shouldve added more characters(uub android 13 baby vegeta you know what im talking about), beam clashes, actual enviromental damage, more stages(where master roshi island?), why do you have to go back to conton city after we finish a parallel quest just allow us to switch a quest its not hard, i wish saiyans could have ssb, ssj4, or great ape form but i guess thats a reach, anything more that needs to be inform

  • @adrnc1123
    @adrnc1123 8 лет назад

    🔥 review as usual

  • @youngflx1654
    @youngflx1654 8 лет назад +3

    the story *who's reading a book*

  • @Fad3dKnif3s
    @Fad3dKnif3s 8 лет назад

    I wonder when they'll add the special move clashes back?

  • @TheLilbigBlack
    @TheLilbigBlack 8 лет назад +1

    Reminder ot get this on PC if possible. We already have mods that add new characters

  • @digitalscale3275
    @digitalscale3275 8 лет назад

    I missed the black friday sale on this cus i got the witcher complete for 25$ instead. Hopefully theres another good sale on this

  • @busterwhite0
    @busterwhite0 8 лет назад +5

    Anon gon cry in the car.

  • @lilpichu107
    @lilpichu107 8 лет назад

    thanks tbh u helped me with my birthday decision

  • @CyclesSomething
    @CyclesSomething 8 лет назад

    I agree with everything you said in this review

  • @Aqwtiny
    @Aqwtiny 8 лет назад +3

    The game is good , I just feel like Xenoverse 2 was a rehashed version of them trying to fix all the mistakes they made and Xenoverse 1.

  • @Blazin720
    @Blazin720 8 лет назад +6

    I have to disagree with the part about this game being a 50 dollar DLC, because I feel like this is a huge improvement to what Xenoverse 1 was suppose to be and I have to give credit where credit is do. If xenoverse 1 one was a D or C to be well xenoverse 2 was a B or A-. Despite the cons it fixed some of the things that were in xenoverse 1

    • @anond5754
      @anond5754 8 лет назад

      Almighty Legend Nah it's definitely not XV 1.5

  • @wesleybrown5785
    @wesleybrown5785 8 лет назад

    You are forever MWN

  • @vffvx8216
    @vffvx8216 8 лет назад

    exactly my thoughts!! 100% agreement!

  • @ElGeezus
    @ElGeezus 8 лет назад +1

    it's going for $25 at Best Buy on Black Friday

  • @panchitoplayzgameschavez2768
    @panchitoplayzgameschavez2768 8 лет назад +8

    this game beast

    • @matthewsjuwon
      @matthewsjuwon 8 лет назад

      panchito chavez lol not at all

    • @bluecheckmiya
      @bluecheckmiya 8 лет назад

      Deathstroke 87 ppl can't have opinions now I see

  • @Tofuey
    @Tofuey 8 лет назад +3

    Should have been called XenoVerse 1.5

  • @Lorenzo_631
    @Lorenzo_631 8 лет назад

    i agree with the story i would skip the cutscenes because its the same thing but a little twist.

  • @DouglasDundee
    @DouglasDundee 8 лет назад

    Had a feeling Xenoverse 2 was gonna be a copout. Guess we'll have to wait a little longer for the next Tenkaichi 3

  • @xswag4lifx
    @xswag4lifx 8 лет назад

    Great review

  • @Tdragyion
    @Tdragyion 8 лет назад

    Master roshi's is were you go to que up with the homies it makes it to were it is a faster experience to get into game modes with friends.

  • @danimals6667
    @danimals6667 8 лет назад

    I think if you make a team and go to name house and do parallel quests you don't have to re-invite them. I'm not sure

  • @TokyoLuvr
    @TokyoLuvr 8 лет назад

    Saiyan, Freiza, Cell and Buu saga. We need something new.

  • @GamingExperiencePT
    @GamingExperiencePT 8 лет назад +6

    Might be me , but I love the game

  • @erickmtpittman
    @erickmtpittman 8 лет назад +1

    Really enjoying the game right now and plan on plating it but good video TBH.

    • @lordlacue2451
      @lordlacue2451 8 лет назад

      Marquis Pittman no. this game is shit. get db rb2 its the best to play online

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад +1

      Funkmaster Ned Flanders game is awesome, what the hell r u talking about.

    • @lordlacue2451
      @lordlacue2451 8 лет назад

      Luis Lockhart game sucks

    • @lordlacue2451
      @lordlacue2451 8 лет назад

      Luis Lockhart tf nigga I'm good at it. The game is way to easy and it sucks

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      Funkmaster Ned Flanders sure you are....

  • @LewiTheKang
    @LewiTheKang 8 лет назад

    BLVCK stupid clutch that was a live ass fight and the 1 v 1 with Anon boy came back with a vengeance got me ready to buy it

  • @TheOmegaFighter
    @TheOmegaFighter 8 лет назад +1

    I personally thought the story was fine. While the entire concept of both xenoverse games are HEAVILY borrowed from Heroes, I'm actually not affected by saga arcs story missions. While heroes has it 's own story set during and after dragon ball Z( and eventually super and GT) albeit loosely, Let's all get real, ALL Dragon ball games uses pretty much the Exact SAME story as the manga, anime, and movies. The biggest "change" is burst limit's what-if scenarios and ultimate tenkaichi's Hero mode. In every game we venture through the dragon ball z story, only nowadays with Heroes, Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2 are we really adding a to the Dragon Ball(Z) story. I'm sure as hell use to them rehashing the story. So for me personally, I think the main story isn't really an issue.

    • @TheOmegaFighter
      @TheOmegaFighter 8 лет назад +1

      And, Let's all just be grateful that they gave us the entire Z story, and hope they don't pull a full burst "extend"(( Blazblue...)) DLC and make us buy the game again with the movie storylines. If they give us Story Missions for super( post resurrection of f) as DLC, that makes sense as Super is still going.

  • @FazeTanna
    @FazeTanna 7 лет назад

    what was the song in the background in the start of the video?

  • @NoirOfficial215
    @NoirOfficial215 8 лет назад

    the beginning tho 😂😂😂🙈💀

  • @RyGuyMemes
    @RyGuyMemes 8 лет назад

    "Now enough time" RIP

  • @bluemarvel5970
    @bluemarvel5970 8 лет назад +9

    I don't know what to comment...

    • @MrREAPERsz
      @MrREAPERsz 8 лет назад +12

      What you said is pretty dope.

  • @ComicsLamar
    @ComicsLamar 8 лет назад +3

    Lol. They do only give you like 5 seconds to pick a character though.

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      Soji SideQuest not really a problem in my opinion, just don't bullshit. Go to whatever character you want, and then chose the version with whatever time u have left

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      jaquan541 30 seconds? what are you doing for all that time? That's a little ridiculous.

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      jaquan541 15 seconds is plenty of time, do you really need 30 to figure out who you want to play as?

    • @ComicsLamar
      @ComicsLamar 8 лет назад +2

      30 seconds is pretty standard for most fighting games. Yes, I need 30 seconds to select, and if I change my mind and want to select a different character.

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      Soji SideQuest Still sounds a bit indecisive. 15 seconds for this game specifically is still enough.

  • @Chewy3949
    @Chewy3949 8 лет назад

    That laugh reminds me of my friend Alan 😂

  • @jonathangomez3186
    @jonathangomez3186 8 лет назад

    what if i never played part 1 so i dont know the story at all would it be worth it then? cause on friday im taking my ass to the store and refilling on games

  • @Chaoticsoulzero
    @Chaoticsoulzero 8 лет назад +1

    I agree with this. It's nice in small burst, but it's a given that the story will always be recycled. Aside from Super, there's really nothing new they can add to DBZ.

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      Chaoticsoulzero they literally gave you supreme kai of time, time breaker bardock, Towa and Mira, Demigra, the time patrol, toki tiki and his eggs that create time. I think DBZ can add more aside from super

  • @BTD1020
    @BTD1020 8 лет назад

    Does anybody know how to get super electric strike in this one? I switched consoles and it was my ultimate from my other character and I really want to get it in this one.

    • @KaiThouKing
      @KaiThouKing 8 лет назад

      Bryguy1133 I think it was Expert Mission 9

    • @BTD1020
      @BTD1020 8 лет назад

      BassObject thank you

  • @saiyan171
    @saiyan171 8 лет назад

    100% agree with everything, this is still very fun.

  • @FTWbarcelona
    @FTWbarcelona 8 лет назад +1

    If they ever did a budokai tenkaichi 3 remastered i'd buy it day one

  • @UrbannKidd
    @UrbannKidd 8 лет назад

    They should've added some dragon ball stories to it. When goku was younger. The storyline is too short though. I felt like xenoverse 1 was longer

  • @nicoleonard1712
    @nicoleonard1712 8 лет назад +1

    I had a great time with thus but I do agree with the menu

  • @thevengeful2426
    @thevengeful2426 8 лет назад

    I agree. I was expecting this to be a clueless ass review to be honest but you got it right on the money

  • @oxymrn7038
    @oxymrn7038 8 лет назад +1

    I disagree with the not enough time to pick a character. Plenty of time. Also I don't think it should be skipped Xenoverse 1 yes but Xenoverse 2 nah.

  • @jebathesage7429
    @jebathesage7429 8 лет назад

    Nice TBH you gonna release some gameplay of xenoverse 2

  • @darktree6071
    @darktree6071 8 лет назад

    i woupd like to see longer game reviews. like 15mins.. just Saiyan

  • @Damian-ez3zh
    @Damian-ez3zh 8 лет назад +1

    Cant sleep gotta stay w👁ke

  • @xerozero4970
    @xerozero4970 8 лет назад

    That Created Character is sick as fuck!

  • @LegendInTheMaking11
    @LegendInTheMaking11 8 лет назад

    is that the actual Anonymuz. that nigga spit fire. shout out to my city Miami

  • @campkawaii
    @campkawaii 8 лет назад +8

    Only thing I agree with is the menu

  • @dominiqueglover4978
    @dominiqueglover4978 8 лет назад

    Anybody know how titan fall 2 is? I might try to cop it Black Friday. I'm not copping full price after the last one lmao.

    • @Flash_332
      @Flash_332 8 лет назад

      dominique glover. Its really good

    • @sadubros
      @sadubros 8 лет назад

      dominique glover Go to target now. it's 35 dollars

    • @PlayStation360Gamer
      @PlayStation360Gamer 8 лет назад

      Walmart sale FTW. $30.

  • @I.K.Slash.
    @I.K.Slash. 8 лет назад

    Xenoverse 3 will be what our beloved Budokai 3 was.

  • @zenraonlyblack-panda2158
    @zenraonlyblack-panda2158 8 лет назад

    i was thinking it came out way to early

  • @thatkid12ful
    @thatkid12ful 8 лет назад

    A Con u forgot the game does not react fast enough I lost battles because I pressed a whole combo but my character was like no SMD

  • @XxFrosty17xX
    @XxFrosty17xX 7 лет назад

    Wow an honest review

  • @kennygutierrez8414
    @kennygutierrez8414 8 лет назад

    Really fucking with all these videos you putting out mwn

  • @VWSjr
    @VWSjr 8 лет назад

    i was about to gts but you came in more clutch than kobe

  • @supermex1220
    @supermex1220 8 лет назад

    This game will be 25 on black friday

  • @CaptainCharmsz
    @CaptainCharmsz 8 лет назад

    YOU'VE SAVED ME A LOT OF MONEY KING

  • @goldsaint2658
    @goldsaint2658 8 лет назад

    THATS MY WALLPAPER OF SSGSS GOGETA !

  • @olddogdontsubscribeherenot1748
    @olddogdontsubscribeherenot1748 8 лет назад +1

    servers and menus got fixed on console so IDK

  • @tysonthedivine
    @tysonthedivine 8 лет назад

    Yea the menu system is so stupid, like you got call of duty lobbies that allow you to pick ya settings and such in the lobby were as Xenoverse you gotta spend 5-10 mins making a whole new one to change whatever you wanted. That really annoyed me, that a 2016 game has such a dumb lobby system but thank TBH love ya vids and keep up the great work

  • @jamarthedemigod4211
    @jamarthedemigod4211 8 лет назад +1

    I say it was worth the full price from my experience

  • @mrtn3rd
    @mrtn3rd 8 лет назад

    so should someone who didn't play xenoverse 1 buy 2 since everyone is importing their previous characters

  • @JPatternsIII
    @JPatternsIII 8 лет назад

    I don't judge dragon ball games off story anymore.. not until the game goes off of super at least

  • @KitchenBran
    @KitchenBran 8 лет назад

    Question.... Can you go ssj3 yet?

  • @MrNyles31
    @MrNyles31 8 лет назад

    Am I the only one who thinks he says "we post nudes" at the end of the video when he's talking about Gi?

  • @ShiiroHasu
    @ShiiroHasu 8 лет назад +2

    Looking through these comments is cancerous. "Bt3 bt3" stfu bt3 was shit. Also to the vid I don't agree with it but to each their own and whatever. I personally love xenoverse 2 and my largest problems are the resetting character roster when making a new character and the in game bugs but I still love the game regardless.

  • @adamsaddique7719
    @adamsaddique7719 8 лет назад +2

    I thought the quest where you fight the xenoverse 1 hero was a great part of the story

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад +1

      Adam Saddique the story has some pretty cool moments. And there is a lot of changes. It only feels recycled because the game's story involves you protecting the history of dragonball, so there will be times where the scenes r the same. But I think there is enough differences and additions

    • @adamsaddique7719
      @adamsaddique7719 8 лет назад +1

      Luis Lockhart yhyh exactly but thats the concept of xenoverse right so its only to be expected. huge improvments on the old games as atleast now there are some twists and turns

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      Adam Saddique Yup.

    • @taecampus
      @taecampus 8 лет назад

      Adam Saddique hhhm i may wait for a price drop still
      that or when more dlc or characters get added

    • @omegalock3549
      @omegalock3549 8 лет назад

      DeVante Campbell There already are more characters though along with the old characters.

  • @804Jon
    @804Jon 8 лет назад

    Xenoverse 3 needs to be Flawless