The bitter fight over abortion clinic protests - BBC Newsnight
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- Newsnight’s Anna Collinson investigates the battle to introduce buffer zones around UK abortion clinics. Please subscribe HERE bit.ly/1rbfUog
It is more than four years since the UK's first so-called buffer zone was set up outside an abortion clinic in the London borough of Ealing.
The aim was to prevent anti-abortion campaigners approaching - and often upsetting - patients.
Pro-choice campaigners had hoped buffer zones - which are legally-protected spaces - would soon become the norm.
But since 2018, only two more have been created in England, and BBC Newsnight has been told women are being regularly "harassed".
Anti-abortion groups deny their gatherings target women, and some say that instead they are prayer vigils meant to offer help and support.
They say that rolling out buffer zones would "criminalise prayer".
However, patients say gatherings can make them feel "fear", "distress" or "shame".
Pro-choice campaigners say the current requirement for evidence to support the establishment of a buffer zone is too demanding.
They point to an example in Bournemouth where hundreds of pieces of evidence said to demonstrate the negative impact gatherings have had outside the local clinic were submitted to the council. These included statements from women with learning difficulties, teenagers and rape victims. A buffer zone has not been enforced.
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"protests all the time, unless it's for abortion and women!" - the neo-left.
If a born person has a heart defect and a low chance of survival, do we tear apart their body? Or do we do everything we possibly can to save them?
I'm no woman but why should woman feel guilty? If they were raped or made a mistake it's there choice, right, body and freedom to do what ever they want.
I share this sentiment exactly
@Riya Mercado ?
Pro life argues that within that female's body is a life with a heartbeat. It's too young to defend itself from the abortion process.
They imagine "What if that was me? Save me, help me to be born. I'm just a baby! Don't KILL ME, Please!!"
Pro life believes in saving that life from being murdered by a scalpel, or other sharp medical tool.
*That's basically the issue. (It isn't about rape, or mistakes. It's about how soon we consider a fetus to be "alive". Medically its just a tumor.)*
@Sekhmet The Goddess The only thing is we have no way of stopping her from using a coat hanger.
If the wench doesn't want to birth it, I don't know how to force either outcomes at that point.
There are lots of people walking around that are the result of rape. I think they should be left alone and unharmed and I think the same principle should apply before birth.
Query: there is a medical situation _(I believe it's called Delayed Interval Birthing)_ where the woman has multiple babies...
But they have birthday's... Day's... Weeks... even a Month or two Apart!
Due to one sibling being born, and the labor either stopped or died down before his/her siblings were born.
My question is how if Abortion is not really killing someone, because they're in the womb...
*How can we consider that born sibling to be a human being, if their siblings were conceived at the same time but could still be aborted??*
If the born sibling is viable, it's a human being. If it's siblings are viable, should they be removed by cesarian for example, they are also human beings. A fetus needs to first achieve homeostasis before it's classed as a human being.
@NBA English please.
Also, please stop with the spam.
As this is the second reply with only a Link as unique content.
@@darcymr353 Classified by whom?
I'm essentially asking a Moral question. Not for a Scientific opinion on the subject.
Because scientifically speaking, he/she's a separate human being upon achieving fertilization. As DNA is different from the Mother's when said fertilization occurs.
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All that aside... Legally under certain Roe vs. Wade laws, that doesn't/wouldn't matter.
If the baby is in the Womb, then it's able to be Aborted. _( Regardless of any siblings being already born)_
If I remember correctly... in Oregon, you're able to have an abortion subsidized by the State, even after Contractions have started. _(At least, you used to... idk about now)_
I know this because of the hypocrisy that happened because one couple decided to forgo any midwife style medical care for their son... who died two weeks after birth of easily prevented medical complications.... and the state decided to sue for child negligence, abuse, or something similar. Even though up till the actual birth, the couple would have been reimbursed by the state, for aborting before the birth.
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Don't get me wrong... abortion procedure's can be a legitimate medical option. Even my Pastor agrees with that.
But. Abortion always ends at least one human being's life, when successful.
And it's not even always successful, or safe for the Mother. _(I know of a woman who survived 2-3 abortion attempts, even though her twin brother didn't)_ And Kermit Gosnell's case, is proof enough that Abortion is far from safe, even when you're not doing the new at home/back alley drug abortion. _( ironically, back alley Abortions tend to be safer than the Drug version. As they at least have a doctor present)_
God Bless you and all women who have been affected by abortion practice's.
@@Paulthored well for an animal to be a being, it needs to reach a stage in its development when it becomes capable of being. That's what the word means after all.
I'm not familiar with American politics. I live in the UK.
Women have bodily autonomy, as do men. Where I live, the deadline for typical abortions is 24 weeks which is around the time in the gestational period that the fetus becomes homeostatic. This is more than enough time for the decision to be made, a decision that must exist.
@@darcymr353 But we're talking about Human Beings, not mere animals.
Body autonomy ends, when a woman makes the *decision* to create a New Human Life.
Don't get me wrong, the option for an abortion should exist as a last resort option. _As Catch-22 type situations exist where women have to choose between their life and the lives they are growing._
But to give an example of the issue's behind giving Sole authority to the Woman until birth or even "homeostasis".
--- What happens when the woman clearly got pregnant through Raping the Father of her Children? ie:-- what happens when you would be doing further harm to the victim, by mandating that Women have the sole say in Abortion??
_Women on Men rape, does exist. So that question will have to addressed eventually..._
[I also see that unilateral power to Abort, is a privilege ripe for potential abuse.]
If it helps you understand my perspective... imagine how would you justify abortion rights, in a world where 100% effective, reversible, and affordable contraception exists? _(ie:-- is justification possible in a world where women can only ever get pregnant by choice??)_
If abortion is not a bad thing, why aren’t the mothers ever shown the dismembered bodies.
Why does that matter? They didn't show my cousin the 5 feet of intestine he lost after he got impaled in a car accident. Have you got a frozen tub full of the afterbirth you brought out after you were born? 😂
What’s the point of that? 😂
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@Jordyn Vargas my comment got deleted so I'll say it again. FUCKKEN BOT
Any individual should be with aims of trying to encourage the birth delivery of a functional baby, as in that of a baby who is responsive. That though doesn't give that they should take up the cause of becoming rude, aggressed in the direction of the women or staff or take the matter as that of a 'modern day witch hunt'. The maternal experience is so PERSONAL, and the specifics of the personal, individual experience are important to fully understand before assessing Judgement, or conveying opinion.
Abortion is murder
Worry about getting healthy first not abortion, get in healthy physical shape to live long to enjoy your child. Right???
"My body my choice" also includes all vaccines and all tests .
completely different , not related at all .
@@zanyzoo6767
Absolutely related .
Totally the same .
@@davidjacobs828 no its not , just just a cowardly anti vaccer. Who like all of them , would BEG for a vaccine when they are wheeled into ICU. Up until then you want other to take the risk , that you benefit from . NOT THE SAME at all
@@davidjacobs828 how is it the same?
@@LoudaroundLincoln
It's very simple ,anything going in or out of or onto a person's body ..eg. cocks ,needles tattoos, medicines, swabs ,tablets ,organs,mutilated dying babies... etc,etc,etc..IS THAT PERSON'S CHOICE .
if you're advocating NO CHOICE ,then you're also legalising rape .
What a lovely impartial report there by our neutral BBC
I know right? I'm so happy to pay my licence fee to be presented with this wonderful "journalism". Saves me from having to think for myself when they present so clearly what I should support.
I totally agree. How dare an institution like the BBC recognise that women aren't second class citizens. It's an appalling injustice.
No media is impartial , because some one will always disagree with it. If the BBC was pro abortion that would be wrong. In this case they did a story on the people being protested against. Thats what the story was. Do you think religious stations give an unbiased account of lets say same sex marriage, of course not .
@@zanyzoo6767 The BBC is must definitely pro abortion. And I agree with you that it is most definitely wrong. If it wasn't pro abortion, it would do other reports on the pro life side - but it doesn't.
@@forallofme4441 if you watch the report again you will see that it approached the por life protesters , and they walked away. They also interviewed the head of one of the pro life groups . The journalist was their to ask question , not sit and nod in agreement. She reported on what the whole report was about. The BBC is not bias, it just a far right straw to clutch when it reports on FACTS that they dont like. As for abortion , its down to the individual choice. And if you disagree with that , then next time you have a medical procedure, WE WILL decide what will happens to YOU!
Surely the government's new anti-protest legislation can be used against these people?
That would be infringing on freedom of speech. Anti protest legislation is just the beggining on the assult of free speech.
@@keibohow69 perfect. This is how freedom starts being killed
People that don't have the same opinions as me should be arrested. Really?
@Monkeys ya in fringing on free speech. If some one believes and feels the need to talk someone out of an action you cant stop them. I am all for women being able to decide what to do in regards to abortion. You could say it test a womans conviction that the right thing to do is to have an abortion in regards to their situation
@@sebastianguerre6868 The new legislation allows protesters to be arrested if their actions are "causing a nuisance" to anyone. So basically, if someone complains. It's a way of suppressing contrary opinions. I don't really agree with it, but maybe it has it's uses.
I respect the right of abortion protestors to carry signs and stand around.but,when they start hassling women,they have stepped out of line..the lady who had the abortion did not deserve to be hassled,and I am sad to hear she went through that.but,I am glad she got to have another baby,and I hope her and her baby are doing well
Should introduce 100m exclusion zones around clinics as some Australian states have introduced to protect staff and patients from the deranged god-botherers.
The majority tried to protect slave owners until Christians changed the attitude of society in Britain.
The same will happen with the murder of unborn babies.
God bless you friend.
And what protection do unborn, competely defenceless, and 100% innocent human beings get?
@@JwayT an embryo is just an embryo.
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You were an embryo once you moron.
@@coasterblocks3420 so were you once.
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It was heartbreaking to watch that first young woman !
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Women should have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies but not be able to terminate their children who have their own bodies both before and after they are born.
@@sebastianguerre6868 So what are your views about contraception? Or the morning after pill? At what point is a life viable and untouchable from your pount of view?
@Not the ATF No one can be more entitle than you. Imagine being a victim of rape, go to the clinic to have an abortion, and in the way find people like you.
Heartbreaking to watch the babies being killed in that slaughter-house you mean. More than 99.99% of abortions are "convenience" abortions and this stupid narrative about "heart problems" as an excuse to kill the baby THEN KEEP pictures of the limbs that were ripped apart is sickening.
Reporting from VATICAN CITY -
Pope Francis is allowing all priests to absolve women of the “grave sin” of abortion, extending indefinitely special permission he had granted for the duration of the just-ended Holy Year of Mercy.
Francis wrote in the Apostolic Letter made public by the Vatican on Monday that “there is no sin that God’s mercy cannot reach and wipe away when it finds a repentant heart seeking to be reconciled” with God
Who cares about the Pope? We are lucky in the UK, over half of are non religious, Hence why a buffer zone has passed today outside that clinic. We value ,sentient, conscious, thinking beings over mindless embryos
I’m so scared to actually speak out but I feel I must. I doubt anyone on either side of this debate is going to be a fan of me! I am a born again Christian since 2017 who had an abortion in 2004.
When I was 13 I was raped by a 21 year old man. I had never even held hands with a boy before I was raped. I found out I was pregnant. It was the darkest time of my life. At 7 weeks I had an abortion.
I came from an abusive family. If my father found out I would most likely be dead. My mother (the only person I told at the time) blamed me and told me I had brought shame upon her. She took me to get an abortion. She never mentioned it again. It’s like it never happened.
During the process no medical professionals I came into contact with helped me. I was asked once if I wanted to go to the police. I was afraid of my attacker, was aware my mother was more concerned about her public image than my well-being and that my father was violent.
I had no choice but to say no. My decision wasn’t contested, it was just accepted even though they knew my reasons. I wasn’t offered and received no counselling/therapy, no one showed me compassion, no one tried to get justice for me.
The clinic I was taken to was at the beginning of this report. On the day of my abortion there was no protest. If there was a protest it would have added to the unimaginable pain and weight I was carrying. I couldn’t have coped with any more pain, shame, fear than I already felt. I was a child. Every choice had been made for me. I felt powerless.
My message here is to Christian’s - please stop this! It’s not showing compassion and Christs love.
You have no idea what’s happened in that girl/woman’s life and you have no idea how your protest/vigil will further traumatise her.
There are other things you can do. Help implement, fund, deliver PSHE lessons on consent, healthy relationships, re-education relating to pornography etc Push for men to take greater responsibility for unplanned pregnancy and their own sexual behaviour.
Pray for women somewhere where you aren’t going to stigmatise, traumatise and shame them.
Fund, volunteer and manage services which can help women and girls if they wish to make another decision.
This is one of the issues that present Christian’s as the opposite of what we’re told to be in Christ. It stops people hearing the word of God. It prevents people understanding the true nature of Christ.
It shows Christian’s to be everything we shouldn’t be as it’s judgemental, re-traumatising, stigmatising. Anything Christian’s do should be done out of love and compassion for all involved. This is not helping people come to Christ and it’s not helping vulnerable women and girls who are victims of abuse.
If this hadn’t happened to me I would probably agree with the people standing outside the abortion clinics. But because of what I have been though I have been forced to experience what those on the other side of the interaction may feel. Please listen to my story and think about a more compassionate way to approach this.
Thank you for reading.
In love and faithfulness,
with all that we have and all that we are,
help us to serve you, O God.
As we speak or write or listen
to those nearby or far away,
help us to share your love, O God.
In our plans and work
for ourselves and for others,
help us to glorify you, O God.
In every thought and word and deed,
by the power of your Holy Spirit,
this week, may we live for you, O God.
I wish someone was there for you that day. There SHOULD have been someone for you. It’s not right. I’m sorry this happened to you.
I just hope the rest of your life is brilliant and somehow makes up for… what happened.
You Matter. You’re important. No matter what anyone tells you. You do.
You probably have some dream right? A goal. Do it.
I believe in you.
I'm sorry you were the victim of a terrible crime. Someone should have been there to help you. It does not justify punishing an innocent person who had nothing to do with the crime
@@reasonandrationality3600 I did not punish I had no other option. I was a child myself
@@SMB.1993 thank you so much fro your kind words
What an amazing person you are.
Someone is pushing our buttons. I detest manipulation above all else.
This is just like my country in America.
Unless pro-life people start adopting more, I'm supporting pro-choice women to have control over their own future!
They wouldn’t. It’s not about “life” or even “children”, it’s simply against women having a choice.
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@@annab9994 You’ve just hit the nail on the head: this was never about being pro-life; this has always been about being anti-women.
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Bias BBC again. Defund
Bitter indeed.
Just say no stop killing innocent babies there's. Illions of ppl who would love to have one
Others struggles with fertility are not the problems of fruitful women… this isn’t the handmaids tale
@@civietosoldier no just kill them rite they don't deserve to live
By the same token there are people being forced to have one who would love to not have one
I am sure I have an opinion and I know my keyboard could say something really quick, but until I fixed my own problems in life i going to refrain from making comments on how everyone else should live their lives
Will if your life it all life matters including your one..
You should feel shit. You shouldn't be blaming feeling shit on someone else. And on that note if you've got an actual medical reason then the same goes on the opposite end. You shouldn't feel guilty and nobody should change that. This is just stupid. Using these cases of medical abortion when they are less than 5 percent is disingenuous at best.
4:30 What on earth is a 'Widwife'?
What an incredibly poor, biased and contrived piece of journalism.
Importante video congratulation bbc news
i hear there is a big market for human baby parts
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She named her Riley and is crying. That speaks volumes. She is crying because she is bereaved and sad. Regret? The sacrament of confession is good for the soul.
Do you think women get abortions for fun or something?
And what about the healthy babies aborted? Most pro-lifers are nice people.
The principle of bodily autonomy destroys the one anti-abortiom argument.
If they're trying to control what other people can and can't do with their bodies then no they are not nice people
Why people used to do this kind of things 😟😟😞
Because pro-lifers hate women.
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If you feel guilty for aborting your baby, you should ask yourself why that is.
I believe that the pro-life protesters are not there to judge or to hate. I believe they are there to save. To save both the baby and the mother.
If you don't believe that and are actively trying to ban them from public spaces then surely you are as judgemental as you say they are!
you're right. But pro-abortion people don't care about truth, only about denying their responsibilities on helpless lives.
the protesters all look like abortion survivors
They call people murderers??? Wha??
What a one sided dark programme
St Thomas of Aquinas declared that the soul does not enter the baby in utero until 12 weeks, until then it is not a person.
These people do not know their own religion.
St Thomas of Aquinas was talking out his blowhole.
And we care about St Thomas opinion because...? No one gives a damn about what some long dead saint thought about "life". We can see the life in the womb and we know better than to rip it apart by some butcher (and all his murderous confederates like you).
It's quite possible that Thomas of Aquinas was entirely wrong on that point. He isn't God, and although the Roman Catholic church has canonised him, it doesn't mean he spoke or wrote these words prophetically.
Not true. He accepted the idea of ‘formation’ when the baby looks human. But also says that abortion is a violation of natural law and is always wrong, no matter when a soul maybe infused in the child’s body.
God said, thou shalt not kill. Sure St Thomas agrees with that
I don't agree with abortions but it's perfectly acceptable when a lass is young and has no family support or anything.or drug abusers because what kind of life would children have with a bag head for a mum.
..... adoption?
@@reasonandrationality3600 It doesn’t work like that - kids go into the care system first which unfortunately can be just as traumatic as a bad parent as they don’t have any long term caregivers who can focus on them like a good parent would. Yes there is a chance it could go smoothly but often it does not. If you are an anti-abortion, pro-adoption advocate, focus on campaigning for the care system and looked after children
@@user-ib4fg6xr6n There is zero rationality to your statement. I know exactly how the system "works" because I have people in my family who do foster care, and I have had dealings with the system myself. For the many flaws that the system has, to include sub standard "care gives," are you seriously suggesting that a person would be better off being killed in a defenseless state to avoid the possibility that they MIGHT have some misfortune befall them at the hands of the system? We all endure unfairness and misfortune in life, some worse than others, so by your logic we would all be better off never having been born at all. Where I'm from, most children in state custody aren't born into the system, they get into the system because the authorities remove them from their parents, or they are orphaned. The logical conclusion to your premise is that these children should be euthanized because the system is broken. It is a fact that some people are born into families in which they are wanted and they are still horribly mistreated. There are many children who go through the system, have a rough go of it (or not), and come out just fine to be happy and productive citizens.
If you look at the numbers of people who want to have children but can't (straight couples, gay couples, single people who shun intimate relationships for a variety of personal reasons) and wait for years to be able to adopt a baby, some wait for so long that they eventually give up, the fact that we kill the unborn seems even more irrational. Irrational because not only are you wrongfully ending a human life, you are also depriving someone else of their opportunity to become parents.
But even if all of that is untrue, you and I have no right to decide who should have a chance to live and who shouldn't. By you and I, I include the women who bring these people into the world (or don't as the case may be). No person has that right because one person cannot morally own another person. That is true regardless of how flawed the system, which is run by our obviously completely eternally competent and compassionate governments, may be. Maybe instead of making it easy for a young pregnant woman to kill her baby, the focus should be on making it easy for a young pregnant woman to find a home who will want her baby.
I appreciate your passion for defending your point of view, truly. Unfortunately there are no valid arguments based on scientific observations or logic that make a good case for abortion. I've concluded that dedicated and well informed pro choice people should admit that they are pro choice because they are accepting of tiered class society where there are no true human rights for the sake of convenience and vanity
@@reasonandrationality3600 How many children have you adopted?
@@theminimalist2063 WELL DONE. Thats what I was thinking.
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Fk always a real reason but not simply to kill 3 4 5 times
Why do they feel guilty?
I doubt if someone protested outside a cancer clinic their patients wouldn't feel an ounce of guilt.
Clearly they are not at peace with their decision.
I think you're right, but is that due to being screamed at by 30 hysterical women outside the clinic?
It’s not peaceful, sometimes it’s hard but necessary but that’s not anyone’s business but their own and it’s also not easy to feel peaceful with a hundred people screaming at you as you go in.
@@tmoosy That’s not true.
@@thanoswife1254 I see them with signs and prayer.
Where are the screams?
Democracy gives you the right to protest.
Its not meant to suit your comfort zone.
@@tmoosy Where are the hysterical women?
They're upset by the signs and the feeling of being judged by the stares of those women.
Like are you serious?
No one has to coddle you and tell you that you are doing the wrong thing.
The amount of misogynistic comments under this video is disgusting.
Women have the right to their own life and the future potential life of an embryo should never be put above that.
No. We will make you go back to the past, where people had to take responsibility for their actions.
@@STdoubleDs
Firstly, if you are a man you can respectfully go f*ck off because it is none of your buisness what women do with their bodies and lives and you misogynists cannot dictate that. However if you are not a man please continue reading.
Who's responsibility is it if an embryo is a side effect of a rape victim? That is never the victim's responsibility nor is it moral to let that child grow up as constant reminder to its mothers trauma.
Who's responsibility is it when an embryo has a fatal disease with which it cannot survive longer than mere hours after birth. Then it is not moral to let that baby grow and die nor is it moral to prolong the suffering of the mother who has to bear the baby after 9 months.
Who's responsibility is it if a woman is pregnant in her teens, if she would go on to live a life with a career and maybe later children as well. That embryo would grow up as a baby with a mother that cannot support it. Is it moral to let that embryo into the world and damage the mothers life unless she wants the child?
Abortions will never stop, only safe abortions, resulting in actual living women dying because they would rather that than bear a child they do not and cannot want.
@@thedancemurderer15hellandh52 Have u ever fostered or adopted?
@@thedancemurderer15hellandh52 Because Pro Lifers take that stance under the guise they care about the lives of the children. Never met one who adopted or fostered a child carried to term who was then given up.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!. Abortion is going to be always a murder and the ones who support this perversion are also murders. It's funny how they put the guilty of murder as a victim and the real victims that are the babies like rubbish.
bbc needs more viewers
Hard enough you choose no contraception or just saying no because hey just kill it
What if it breaks and/or pill isn't worked? It can happen btw.
@@sonicfon that's why you say no
And there's day after pill were talking about killing a 4 5 6 7 8 9 moth old kid for crist sakes has heartbeat there alive
@@thomasriley4963, 🤣🤣🤣
@@thomasriley4963 what about rape victims or CSE victims? They did say no
Referring to the traumatized woman at the end yes, she did have a choice and no one has the power to make you feel anything. Our feelings come from within and can be triggered from the outside.
Tell me that again when I'll stand ind front of your child's school and hold satanic prayer with a poster "satan loves you".
A thought exercise. You have an accident and are paralysed from the neck down. A doctor says they can completely cure you but to do that they need to take a life. Do you accept?
What if they said they had an alternative which was uncomfortable and sometimes painful but you too would be fully cured in 9 months?
Not much thought in that "thought exercise" of yours.
A much more appropriate and realistic comparison would be forced organ donation. Countless human lives could be saved if people were forced to undergo those procedures against their will, yet I've never heard any of the people who are supposedly "pro life" suggesting that. Hell, when it comes to organ donation, most people feel that "my body, my choice" even applies when the possible donor ist already dead.
Yet when the situation only happens to women and involves pregnancy and sex, bodily autonomy suddenly doesn't matter anymore, how telling.
It should only be legal due to medical issues
Exactly a medical procedure should not be made illegal it is stupid beyond imagining
@FearSum Bird I'm not religious
Funny thing is pregnancy is one of the most dangerous periods in a woman’s life due to complications medically. There’s all the justification you need medical wise.
Abortion was not just legal-it was a safe, condoned, and practiced procedure in colonial America and common enough to appear in the legal and medical records of the period. Official abortion laws did not appear on the books in the United States until 1821, and abortion before quickening did not become illegal until the 1860s. If a woman living in New England in the 17th or 18th centuries wanted an abortion, no legal, social, or religious force would have stopped her. When the Constitution was written abortion was acceptable,legal, and practiced.
So was slavery
How can abortion be considered safe when every successful abortion kills a person?
That’s right. So you think States right’s are Bullcrap, You want federal intervention like we had to do with slavery . Okay, got it.
@@Tom.788 Actually it appears the majority of pro choice people are anti states rights. They seem to be very unhappy with the abortion question being decided by states, hence their current anger at the Supreme Court.
As for federal intervention, history shows us that the federal government has a tendency to make non problems into problems, and actual problems into catastrophes - with a few arguable exceptions. One might argue that the federal government is supposed to intervene when states are violating the rights of citizens.
Regardless, my point about slavery is that just because bad things were done in our history does not mean we should continue to do the same bad things today. Forgive me for believing that was fairly obvious.
@@reasonandrationality3600 Speaking of “fairly obvious “ It took Federal intervention to stop slavery. You are forgiven.
free choice on your own body 😢
How can u say that
The unborn get no choice with their body.
Leave it to the individual woman up to the 20/24 weeks, it's not only her body but her life first and foremost.
Yes but there shouldn't be a choice as to what to do with another human beings body.
At what point does a fetus become a human being? Each country has a week no. out of 40 , if that's the law then leave the poor women alone, no-one knows thier individual story, it's a distressing time and they don't need others interfering and causing them more upset. Use your vote to change law like we do for all laws, go through your mp, petition them, but until then keep away from the clinics.
Abortion is simply painfully evil, ask that innocent baby going through the pain and death🙂
Women have bodily autonomy. You're therefore wrong.
Well if you truly believe that then shouldn't all men get vasectomies?
the abortion is really important, and it's necessarily to teach the futur generation, of their liberty
At what age if it has a heartbeat is that ok
To lazy to go on pill
@@jpyoung9259 you are obviously male. ok, go on pill, YOU MAN.
@@jpyoung9259 you silly silly uneducated twit. 1. Contraception doesn't always work
2. Medical abortions for etopic pregnancy are needed because u silly twit no baby ever survived ever an etopic pregnancy
3. UK has high rates in grooming gangs and gang rapes those girls and women dont have a choice
If I was in charge I'd sort this out by snipping every men because unfortunately u can reverse them
@@jpyoung9259 Not really that simple. My best friend was on the pill and got pregnant each time. I used condoms and it broke. I refuse to take any hormones as it makes me ill. I still have a right to have sex. Babies should be born to parents that want them.
Womans body womans right
Everyone has different circumstances personally dont agree with it being used as contraception and very late term terminations but how dare people judge these women it is not their business
Why not use protection than putting yourself in a situation to obort a baby
@@igoutlawz7768 Stop it. There is no protection with 100% result and life is more complex than that.
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@@igoutlawz7768 condoms can still break while having sex even if you put them on properly. An what if a woman gets raped.. Open up your tiny little brain dumfuq.
These people need to go home and mind their own business.
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The god you believe was referring to Jeremiah and not aimed all foetuses…
"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan.
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You realize that Reagan didn't care about abortion until he needed votes. He wad a neo liberal racist hypocrite whose own children despised him.
Ah yes, alzheimers suffer Reagan and another shit nugget of his wisdom.
What if they have been tho you don’t owe anyone anything for being alive
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feeling guilty and questioning choices you make is not necessarily a bad thing, guilt may arise from a healthy conscience or in some religions from the angels to bring you on a correct path. Its a healthy quality- you cannot go around making any decision you wish to make without any consequence of opposition thought or action, it is very normal to question yourself regarding decisions you make especially if they are difficult and hard situations, which this topic is. Having derogatory words and being shamed personally for your decisions is a very different thing in comparison to putting an objective opinion out there that is not personally directed but will encourage THINK. whether that is choosing to abort or not, at the end, an informed well thought out decision is a good one- if you feel guilt and question yourself because someone hands you a leaflet may be an indication that it is not a deep, thorough, well thought out decision- which like any other difficult decision or situation should be.
Agree,Praise G-d
So the first woman should feel guilt?
You know there are people who feel guilt after surviving accidents and disasters? Should they feel guilty for surviving?
On another side there are psychopaths eho don't feel guilt even for mass murder. Since they don't feel guilt they didn't do anything wrong, right?
Guilt is a feeling not a proof of wrongdoing.
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Abortion is a Women's choice!
Mind your own business and let Women choose.
End of the day that’s a life that’s taken away why not advocate proper protections like taking birth control are a condom to atleast prevent the risk of getting pregnant
Abortion is killing an innocent soul.
It's permitted only if the girl is raped or the pregnancy is detrimental to women's health.
@@igoutlawz7768 Please stop it, if pro-life would be interested in sexual education and contraception they would have done it, instead of insulting doctors and women in front of the clinic 😏
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It seems that this becomes more of an issue in religious countries.
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Yes very true. Non-religious people have no morality and are fine with baby-killing.
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I wish they explained why it doesn't count as harassment or loitering
You have to birth a child for Blood libel
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Funny didn’t mind it when it’s the other way about when pro choice protest outside houses one way bias at its best
They approached the anti abortions protesters to speak to camera and they ran away . So they had their chance to give their side .
4:34 it should be "Midwife" not " Widwife".
Bruh if your raped you should have the right for abortion… or, we could just be pro life and be stupid and let them suffer and give birth to a child they never wanted… smh 🤦♂️
How do you prove if a woman is raped? Women can simply lie to get an abortion.
God bless those people that show up to pray and beg people not to kill their children
Are they the ones being pregnant against their will?
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Message of love? No, that’s harassment, plain and simple.
the right to protest, remember? ;)
And abortion is murder.
@Luis guzman torrente I'm talking protesting, not harassment. Are you braindead?
It's love for the baby. Not the murderer and her hired killers.
@Not the ATF In most countries abortion is not legal after the third week mate.
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I don't have to be religious to support the unborn.
I am a vocal atheist and support civil rights for unborn children.
Unborn rights are human rights.
You are first time I have seen atheist on this side of argument so I have to ask why do you feel so strongly about a clumps of cells as normally the main argument is stuff like it has a soul or it was a life once conception happened but as atheist it is strongly likely you don't hold those arguments so what is yours
@AugustanFinn would you condone forced blood removal in order to save the lives of actual children who desperately need transfusions?
@@thegodofimagination The Clump of Cell is what made us human. Belittling it is evil.
@@KamiTenchi no it isn't here is my personal point of view and by the end I can almost bet you will say I am evil but here goes I am pro choice for simple reason life is the experiences gathered by a living thing on it own meaning once it is born that is when a thing start life before that it is nothing but cells call if living if you want but a life no therefore I see no problem with basic medical procedure of abortion especially as the 1950s and 1960s (and 70s for the USA) showed just how many lifes are lost when you make the basic medical procedure illegal because they are lifes that wore truly lost and that is what tragedies look like not when cells die because those people wore lifes.
There are plenty of valid reasons for abortion such as extremely badly formed foetus (though the definition here is of course debatable), rape, mortal danger to the mother, etc. But the truth is abortion would not be needed if the women never got pregnant in the first place. The true problem is extra-marital sex, including rape and consensual adultery. Either do something about it, or admit that you do not care about life at all, or prepare for judgment.
Yup 100% agree
So that means babies have to pay for the crime the rapist committed? If somebody is extremely deformed, does that not make them Human?
Valid reasons to kill somebody? Oh really?
Human nature is what it is. Not what you want it to be.
This is a tough enough decision for a woman to make, but to be confronted by religious fanatics is beyond the pale and inexcusable. These fanatics need to mind their own business.
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Don’t force your religious beliefs on me!!!……make the right decision for yourselves ladies…..
Being anti murder is a religious belief? What a laugh.
Being a prolife women
And if you're not religious.
You don't have to be religious to be against ending the life of another human being.
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Women who murder especially the most innocent cry n feel guilty like the first lady... arbotion is murder
So many better choices before you get to this point.
What is never said is that some women who choose abortion suffer endless psycological problems afterwards ranging from guilt to psycosis and emotional attachment where they go on talking to the aborted child long after the operation. Not all people who have one can put it behind them.
So for some the 'simple solution' is no real solution at all.
I hope all women can make better choices for themselves.
Thid doesn't makes you right it is not your decision.
It's not a "simple solution". It's murdering your own child.
@FearSum Bird And I know plenty who regretted their abortion and sank into depression and thoughts of suicide.
@FearSum Bird by far the greatest number are the women who once thought getting pregnant was the end of their world but they went onto raise a fantastic happy family and did not regret one second.
Thats by far the most common outcome from unexpected pregnancy.
Having a child can be transformative in a good way and even bring families closer together.
I find it strange that this outcome is never raised while talking about the abortion debate.
All medicine should be about quality of outcome.
Well done Robert! thank you for standing up for life
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The religious debate does not really hold water because the bible states;
'Do not stand in the way of the sinner'
Basicly is not the Christian duty to save people. Only God can do that.
Appears to be a great misunderstanding.
@@jamescarlson3151 well always a gonna put it down to politics.
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children, a reward.
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Given example:
Woman/Partner: expecting a child, yet considering abortion. ('With regard, the LIFE of the child, of the baby, you might consider the possibility of adoption or the review of programs available in the community to help you birth the child and parent the child.' (With due consideration and reflection)
Woman/Partner: (same exact response noted above) their response: No. We have thought through completely our very personal experience and decided what we are going to do in our own lives.
And so: it is not such the need to excessively complicate. Do the right thing, by trying to encourage the birth of any functional, responsive baby. It is not necessary to display oneself as a crazed maniac, screaming out savethebaby chants or by harassing expecting parents and shaming them. Try to encourage birth and parenting and then try to be sympathetic, empathize with the couples, women who decide otherwise, or lose their baby because of birth defects.
Why not go one step further and ban contraception? Even more extreme, ban rape too, or introduce a birth quota for women. If birth is that important to you, surely anything that threatens the optimisation of births should be considered, seemingly regardless of the best interests of women and families.
Abortion is Absolutely the ending of a Human Being's Life.
I don't know if I'd call it Murder, or the Mother a Murderer.
But make no mistake... Abortion is Not a Right.
At the very least, nothing should allow for a Woman to unilaterally decide to end a life, just because.
*She should ABSOLUTELY have the Right to Refuse an Abortion.*
But what happens when a woman gets pregnant through means that is unethical. _(Like Raping some guy, or illicitly gaining sperm samples.)_
Don't get me wrong, abortion should be a available medical option in certain circumstances.
But at most 5% of all American Abortions, have a cause from something like Rape, incest, and/or health complications for mothers or children.
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As for the video... it's very pro abortion friendly.
I'd like to see some reporting on how many women die, or face complications, directly/indirectly from their Abortions.
Like how the women in the video, are not outliers. But seem to be blaming Abortion activists pro-lifers, for their feelings of guilt. _(I'm sure that they aren't exactly helping the abortion victims, but women who have Abortions tend to have those psychological issues with the Abortion, in any event. )_
Of course, this might be easier to discuss and discover truth about Abortion...
If pro choice states/advocates/organizations weren't so keen on disrupting anything that smacks of investigations and data collection of abortion statistics.
Just from Wikipedia, California hasn't been reportedly releasing any kind of collected information about Abortions, in years.
_And for some inane reason, people seem to think that Miscarriages are "Natural Abortions" or some such._
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In any case, I don't blame them for having the abortion. I blame the industry propaganda that seems to be convincing people that abortion is the same thing as Contraception. Or is perfectly harmless.
Considering Abortion kills more Women per year, then it did pre Roe vs. Wade...
And _definitely_ kills more women annually than anti-abortion violence has Since Roe vs. Wade....
Even if you're buying the bullshit misinformation that Dehumanizes the Pre born children, *Abortion would be considered anything but harmless.* _(And that's before you get to the new form of "Back Alley Abortions"... the "At Home" abortion drugs.)_
@Cadence Garcia English please.
Because I don't see how a fish recipe, has anything to do with this video or discussions about Abortion.
God Bless.
Ending life = murder. Though shalt not kill
Wether a woman abort or not is none of yours or the church business. Stop judging and hurting people cos the devil us much nearer than you think
Invasion of privacy for standing in a public place with a sign? Who are these snowflakes? Ok, I’m “harassed” by the Hari Krishna standing around handing out their cult material. I feel intimidated and sad. Do something! I’m feeling sad! Now give me some social benefits.
"invasion of privacy for standing in a public place with a sign? "
Depends
If you stand in front of a private home with a sign that claims the inhabitant is a murderer. Then that is an invasion of privacy
However an abortion clinic is not a private home but depending on the situation a business or a public institution
So in this particular case it is not an invasion of privacy
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Why journalists should be arrested for doing their work?
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@@annab9994 What's their "work"? Propaganda? Shilling for death dealers? Focusing on the less than 1% cases of "sad abortions" to cover up the 99.99+% of "abortions of convenience"?
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How about teaching couples how to avoid unwanted pregnancies in the first place? Neither camp focuses on that, but come up with ludicrous wording like: "pro choice" and "pro life"!
Unwanted pregnancies are very much avoidable - if there is enough knowledge.
How about the number of abortions per year has declined steadily over the past 40 years?
How about closing so many Planned Parenthood clinics removes easy access to birth control?
How about the people who claim certain birth control methods should be outlawed?
How about the right-wing finally learning that abstinence does not work?
How about a actually educating the younger generation about sex?
@@serendipity9649 agree and how about not taking the world back to coat hangers and "back alley" abortions?
How about unwanted pregnancies caused by rapes? By abuse?
If you want to be in charge of the government program teaching husbands how to bust on the outside, be my guest, that sounds like a very realistic approach to women's healthcare.
@@nonyabizness.original When it's nonconsensual the man is guilty of rape.
"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
(Hosea 13:16)
Amen
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@@jamescarlson3151 You realise this verse is talking about the people in Samaria, right? It's similar to our modern agenda.
If there is a threat to life for the mother or defects in foetus or if she was forced upon then yes, abortion is justified otherwise no. Mistakes such as getting drunk on one night and then decided to sleep with some random man and then after finding herself pregnant decided to abort can't be justified at all.
You are partially correct. The flaw in your argument is that killing a baby because of sexual assault would be like someone killing you because your neighbor committed a crime. Also there are plenty of successful and useful people who were "defective fetuses" who wouldn't be here today if they were murdered in the womb
What is justified about forcing someone to go through pregnancy and birth against their will? Pregnancy can cause a mental, physical, and financial burden even if the baby is given up for adoption. It's unethical to force someone to give up the bodily autonomy. Even if you consider a fetus a life, no life has the right to use someone else's body without consent.
And the responsibility of the man in that situation? In the scenario you paint, everything appears to be the result of the woman's actions alone. So why is it that the woman alone has to bear the consequences?
@@reasonandrationality3600 You could just as easily argue that those 'defective fetuses' might grow up to be far less valuable members of society eg murderers and rapists, child abusers and megalomaniac dictators.
@@thediesel4475 This is a valid point. You could take your argument a step further and say "more abortions in our history might have led to fewer dictators today" since that is a hot topic once again today. But let's think about your argument and take it to its logical conclusion.
I'm not aware of any testing that can be done on a fetus to determine that he or she will become a psychopath, narcissist, or sociopath in the future. In fact, the offspring of any known person with any of these conditions are not guaranteed to display any of these traits. Therefore, using your statement as an argument in favor of abortions would essentially be saying "we need to kill people for what they MIGHT do or become." I hope you would be disagreeable to me ending your life just because I'm concerned that you might end mine in a traffic accident one day. I will not insult your intelligence by explaining to you how that would be a human rights violation.
Furthermore, the opposite of your argument would be equally true. Perhaps we have aborted a prodigy who would have cured cancer years ago. Maybe the inventor of a new technology that will solve global warming once and for all and end poverty is currently an unwanted pregnancy with spina bifida who will be aborted tomorrow.
We must conclude that even though your argument seems to make a certain amount of sense on the surface, it doesn't stand up to any amount of genuine scrutiny because we cannot possibly know who is being killed in an abortion - for better or worse
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It’s like that baby in the womb, trying to move away from the knife/vacuum that’s invading it’s safe space
Abbey Johnson witness this an ex planned Parenthood employee. Also in the movie unplanned, Abbey is now a strong spokesman for the Pro life movement.
Abortion is murder period take responsibility for your sexual behaviour ! People treat sex too casually know. If someone is Raped the Guy should get life if he impregnated the women , responsibility and punishment
Isn't murder, is a project of a human being, is killing an nonviable human being, which is far better than what it will face once born, you take responsibility and let others make their adult decisions, you're religious fanatic extremist, getting on other people's lives. Great stupid suggestion, out of proportion, just like your religion would, you don't have a clue what you're writing about. Abortion happens all the time, nonviable conceived eggs get washed away naturally on periods, successful pregnancies: only 1 gets attached to the Uterus wall, the many others are flushed, ectopic or nonviable pregnancies, etc. Forced pregnancies are not women fault, specially in underage girls that don't have the body to carry to term, so is their decisions to make, not yours, or anyone's else, back off!
It blows my mind how people can think an 8 wk old fetus can feel pain when there is no brain yet. If the brain is not developed, the fetus cannot feel anything.
Should we murder people on life support as well?
Ah so we can kill people as long as they are not in pain? Your friends and family better watch out I guess. Go to a doc and ask him to cure your psychopathy.
You have no brain.
The woman in the video who had an abortion was twenty weeks pregnant. That is a fully formed baby and they respond to stimuli at that stage so they feel pain too.
Blows my mind how some people may brace themselves to urban legends and superstitions instead of accepting what science says. Maybe you need to see a real report about how a human life begins in National Geographic instead of justifying the killing of a baby just because it is tiny.
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Says an OAP who will never carry any pregnancy, least of all one to term.
No Fascist, we have Constitution, Democracy and Laws; you try something like that you're going to prison
@@ParArdua Says anyone with a conscience - which psychopaths like you lack. Crawl back into your mother's basement and tell your blow-up doll it's "her body her choice" freak.
@Monkeys Yes you are. Go stand up for the babies you creep.
I support Pro-Life and I'm proud of it. The problem with pro-choice people is their hypocritical agenda believing life inside a mother does not matter while life outside matters more.
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'Life' should not be defended at all costs, IMO. Are you proud of supporting 'life' that is the result of a brutal rape, for instance?
you're not prolife you're pro birth much like the Republican religious fanatic yanks.my body my choice.End of debate.
There is no "life inside the mother" only potential for life, life matters more "outside the mother" because it IS life, how can you be inhumane. "Pro-Life" are deceivers because they care nothing for the lives of the living or the pain and suffering the bring to people, all dressed up in the charade of "caring".
Because it does. It isn't hypocritical at all, that's a project of a baby, that's not always viable, people of course do their best to make it viable, but it's just stupid to think the life of the mother matters more, when clearly it doesn't, morons like you think it's just the same, clearly isn't, facts say so: she's a grown up that was very difficult to form and get to that state of being a woman having a baby, a fetus/embryo, it's starting a that journey, and from the usefulness to society doesn't make sense, from the sustainability, it doesn't without the mother; but it does make sense to keep the mother alive, so he can try many times over. Women have abortions all the time involuntarily: 1) many eggs get conceived, but most are lost naturally and only 1 or 2 get attached to the Uterus wall; 2) on their period some eggs get fertilized while having sex, all of them get washed by the blood flow; 3) ectopic pregnancies are nonviable and can't be helped, abortion is the only choice to save the mother. Stop being a moron, and learn facts of life
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Abortion is murder.
You should feel guilty about killing you child.
And you will be judged by GOD.
KILLING A LIFE DOESN'T SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.
REPENT AND BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS
If a woman was christian i doubt they would have an abortion. Judge not less you be judged. If you are a true or real christian, walk on by and keep your mouth shut and leave it to god. Regardless of the action commited the woman has to live with their choices
Iron-age mythology does not help resolve this issue.
It's not murder legally. It's not a child legally. If you don't want to have an abortion you don't have to have one.
Just do it to yourself and we will have a nice day.
@@hgbnkbggj2915 Very true. Your "modern" morality is very reminiscent of cavemen child sacrifices to the Gods and is sooooo much better!! What a brain you have! Lovely.
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