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  • Опубликовано: 6 окт 2019
  • In 1997 Bung Enterprises released the Doctor V64, a backup device /ROM loader for the Nintendo 64. But the device is also a capable development kit for the N64 with Acclaim Studios utilizing them during the development and testing of Turok 3 in 2000. In this episode we take a deep dive at the Doctor V64 and Bung Enterprises.
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  • @DaisyAjay
    @DaisyAjay 4 года назад +2756

    So Bung changed their name to 'First Union'... F U.
    Was that a message to Nintendo?

    • @luisgonzalez5482
      @luisgonzalez5482 4 года назад +81

      louis tournas You said so much.
      But made so little sense.

    • @HALFLIFETRUTHER
      @HALFLIFETRUTHER 4 года назад +76

      congrats on your social credit points

    • @vinnien
      @vinnien 4 года назад +47

      @@louistournas120 No Dumbass, they speak Cantonese in Hong Kong.

    • @DVDfeverGames
      @DVDfeverGames 4 года назад +4

      Bunga! Bunga!

    • @YodielandInhabitant710
      @YodielandInhabitant710 4 года назад +21

      @@louistournas120 1 sesame credit has been added to your account.

  • @TheJadeFist
    @TheJadeFist 4 года назад +798

    I think they shot themselves in the foot legally speaking by shipping with a disk containing a pirated library of roms. It's hard to argue it's not for piracy, when you do that.

    • @fawzanfawzi9993
      @fawzanfawzi9993 4 года назад +19

      "Shotting yourself in the foot" seems to be a popular phrase to use in this day and age

    • @Z3r0XoL
      @Z3r0XoL 4 года назад +83

      @@fawzanfawzi9993 are you a time traveller

    • @DrWiki-po1hk
      @DrWiki-po1hk 4 года назад +70

      @@fawzanfawzi9993 It's not like the saying is decades old or anything.

    • @scootersound
      @scootersound 4 года назад +33

      Internet’s were dialup during that time, 700 megs would have taken a month

    • @ohsweatbret
      @ohsweatbret 4 года назад +9

      scootersound ah good ol dial up. 64k modem and the inability to use the phone while you were on the internet.

  • @JohnnyFlash71
    @JohnnyFlash71 4 года назад +166

    I can say this wasn’t uncommon. We used Super Wild Cards to do SNES development at Virgin Interactive.

    • @fogvarious2478
      @fogvarious2478 11 месяцев назад +1

      and there are 2 blokes in london who sold em to em that i can think of. thats all they did all week.. sell err "dev kits" lol

    • @ryuunosuk3
      @ryuunosuk3 6 месяцев назад +6

      "Virgin interactive" that's a appropriate name for a 90s video game company.

    • @justanotheryoutubechannel
      @justanotheryoutubechannel 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@ryuunosuk3In a release they made of Cannon Fodder, the team who worked on it had a big joke about it by hiding a bunch of “Free S*x!” signs on the background layer of the Virgin Logo. It only became publicly known when TCRF found it 10 years later.

  • @MrMario2011
    @MrMario2011 4 года назад +365

    Bung: It's a backup/dev device. Only use it for that!
    Also Bung: Every purchase gets a backup of all the N64 games out there!

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +37

      Not actually Bung.
      I don't know who was bundling discs of commercial ROMs with them but it wasn't Bung, Carl Industries, or Lik Sang. My 1997 unit from CI had no CD. my 2000/2001 unit from Lik Sang had a CD with some MPEG commercials for Bung PC Jr, GB Xchanger, and other stuff. In 1997 I didn't want to burn an expensive CD-R for the few games that were released. I had a blank bundled with my CD-R drive in early 1998 and didn't burn one until I had about 80 N64 games.

    • @remasteredretropcgames3312
      @remasteredretropcgames3312 3 года назад +1

      Gifts are coming ungrateful swine.

    • @chouseification
      @chouseification 2 года назад +1

      a college friend had what I think was called the "Dr Z64" and had a Zip100 drive vs a CD-ROM... this was awesome, as he could insert any cart into the unit, power it up and immediately rip the rom onto whatever Zip disc you had in the drive at the moment. Unlike the one shown, the Z64 was shoved into the cartridge slot and the cart was inserted into it.
      Of course that meant they would leverage their friends with Zip drives and CD burners to make compilation CDs for their future use :P

    • @combatcactus6892
      @combatcactus6892 2 года назад +2

      @@chouseification not the Dr z64 but the Mr Backup z64

  • @twizz420
    @twizz420 2 года назад +107

    I can't believe they passed up the opportunity to call the V64 the "Bung Hole"

  • @bisc67
    @bisc67 4 года назад +26

    We used these extensively at Iguana for art-sends. They were cheap and easy to program. They were not used by the engineers for normal development; it was specifically for art/audio and QA.

  • @CorporalDanLives
    @CorporalDanLives 4 года назад +489

    Wasn't just Acclaim. I knew a LOT of devs who loved these things back the day due to how cheap and functional they were; they were used on games that shipped as early as 1997. A lot of teams would have one or two official devkits for the leads, but everyone else on the team would use the Doctor V64s. I'd imagine when Nintendo stopped by they'd hide them in the closet.

    • @keiyakins
      @keiyakins 4 года назад +44

      Makes sense to me honestly. Modern flashcards are used for both development and running ROMs. Why would early ones be different?

    • @ar-gaming9014
      @ar-gaming9014 4 года назад +16

      Only reason I can think off is might lose there contract or lisence to make Nintendo games

    • @marker
      @marker 4 года назад +39

      Really Nintendo the greed machine charging developers a lot after losing a lot of them to PlayStation

    • @nicholasfarley5967
      @nicholasfarley5967 4 года назад +61

      I worked on Nintendo ds games as an artist for a small UK developer. We used r4 carts to test games, mainly because the screens on the dev kits were so scratched and faded from over use!

    • @CorporalDanLives
      @CorporalDanLives 4 года назад +35

      @@nicholasfarley5967 I also remember the ROM writing time was an order of magnitude faster than on the legit ROM writers. Like, 3 minutes versus two hours.

  • @chinafox1949
    @chinafox1949 4 года назад +490

    I worked for Activision in the mid 2000's. I was tasked with ordering 300 backup DS carts for development. Using piracy devices to save dev costs had been going on for a long time. It's not like "COD/Guitar Hero" Activision could not afford official dev kits at the time.

    • @xmine08
      @xmine08 4 года назад +121

      Ah that's why these cards worked so flawlessly: the developers made sure they games ran fine on them!

    • @GRBtutorials
      @GRBtutorials 4 года назад +15

      xmine08 Worked? Mine still works.

    • @austinismadcrunk
      @austinismadcrunk 4 года назад +14

      Which flashcarts did you order? I always loved the Acekard back in the day.

    • @nathanmead140
      @nathanmead140 4 года назад

      *kits* not kids

    • @DxBlack
      @DxBlack 4 года назад +59

      @@nathanmead140 No no no...Activision 'hires' dev kids from 3rd world countries to work on the cheap. True story.

  • @oneminutefixed5003
    @oneminutefixed5003 4 года назад +110

    Feels like every Nintendo video I watch they're sueing someone

    • @EnforcerX71
      @EnforcerX71 Год назад +1

      They're essentially the Disney of gaming.

    • @right_hand_power7960
      @right_hand_power7960 Год назад

      @@EnforcerX71 That's actually ironic, because if I remember correctly, some of their top people, like Miyamoto, have in the past stated how Nintendo tried to be the gaming equivalent of Disney, or at least, tried to be a similar business.

  • @jevansturner
    @jevansturner 4 года назад +7

    I got my first DV64 before Zelda OoT was released, but I made sure to get the one with 256mbit RAM because I knew those larger games were coming. I was poor and lived in a trailer park. There's absolutely no way I spent $450 USD. It was more like $275. The USA distributor at the time was Carl Industries. My package included the emulation adapter, DS1 (SRAM save device), and DX256 (EEPROM save device). I don't believe there was any extra charge for those at the time.

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +465

    They were often sold without a CD-drive specifically to save on shipping costs.

    • @jeff15
      @jeff15 4 года назад +11

      So you can install any drive /brand you like ?

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +80

      @@jeff15 in practice, the PSU wasn't good enough for many/most of the faster drives and the BIOS didn't support CD-R drives. If I recall correctly, people recommended Creative-brand drives because they used less power in their higher speed drives. The second one I got from Lik Sang had a low-power laptop drive in an IDE adapter but it was defective and I had to replace it. The first one I got had an 8x drive installed by a US Bung distributor (think it was Carl Industries).

    • @laserdrip
      @laserdrip 4 года назад +7

      That's interesting. I wonder if there are compatibility issues with higher speed CD Roms.

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +21

      @@laserdrip I believe my laptop CD-ROM was 24x and I got it working once. The disc wouldn't spin and there was something physically scraping when I turned the disc manually. After spinning it around enough times manually it would finally spin on its own but only loaded games once or twice before it failed and never worked again. Wasn't sending it back to Hong Kong and risking customs again so I just grabbed the drive out of my older V64 bought from an American distributor back in 1998.

    • @jevansturner
      @jevansturner 4 года назад +10

      @@emmettturner9452 I believe the distributor (Lik-Sang) installed the drive in our second unit. Maybe Carl Industries (USA distributor) installed the drive in our first DV64.

  • @RalFingerLP
    @RalFingerLP 4 года назад +151

    I love my DoctorV64, best hardware i ever got, and i was the coolest kid in town back then, memories

    • @gtxg.
      @gtxg. 3 года назад +9

      the cool kid did some illegal

    • @randomd2146
      @randomd2146 3 года назад +1

      @@gtxg. XD

    • @cte
      @cte 3 года назад +2

      Same bro. 😎

    • @gtxg.
      @gtxg. 3 года назад

      @@cte another cool kid did some illegal

    • @cte
      @cte 3 года назад +1

      itsmii I’m guessing you asked but never got one for Christmas. 😆

  • @MikeKasprzak
    @MikeKasprzak 4 года назад +20

    We and a number of other studios used to use Bung hardware + Emulators to develop GameBoy Color games too. We shipped 4 commercial titles without a single official dev kit. The 2000's were an interesting time. ;)

  • @maciej-36
    @maciej-36 4 года назад +462

    Nintendo 64 DevKit or Piracy Device?
    Why can't we have both?!? ;D

    • @Iliek
      @Iliek 4 года назад +23

      "or" is for plebs 😎

    • @lethauntic
      @lethauntic 4 года назад +7

      That's kind of the point of the video though?

    • @FlameRat_YehLon
      @FlameRat_YehLon 4 года назад +18

      DevKits are strictly full feature piracy devices. Because they either have to be able to load and run unsigned codes, or people can just resign codes to load and run on it anyway.
      Not always the same the other way around, though, for some piracy devices only run custom format (encrypted) ROMs that only the vendor of such device can create.

    • @RealNovgorod
      @RealNovgorod 4 года назад +10

      Behold a hard drive: a piracy device

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 4 года назад +2

      I would argue that you can't have one without the other.

  • @dzlnitro
    @dzlnitro 4 года назад +21

    2 of my friends had these devices when I was a kid. They'd travel to Hong Kong every year, and both of them came back with it the same year. Along with many CDS and had the entire library of N64 games....needless to say, my 11-year-old self had my mind blown!

    • @surject
      @surject 4 года назад +2

      Cool. I had a similar experience with PSX Silvers :)

  • @KarlRock
    @KarlRock 4 года назад +87

    Loved the video! Anything to do with modding and jail breaking I love. Takes me back

    • @mahrufurrahman9759
      @mahrufurrahman9759 3 года назад +1

      Wow very nice bhai I watch your channel.

    • @parimabartender
      @parimabartender 3 года назад

      Kr yeah I was a member of razor1911 you don't know what piracy is but your videos are good for people who don't l2c

  • @SuperMori
    @SuperMori 4 года назад +254

    How the N64 security was defeated
    **Mistakes were made**

  • @jim.....
    @jim..... 4 года назад +685

    small error at 2:54 "final fantasy vi"

    • @The2808erik
      @The2808erik 4 года назад +39

      Yeah and it didn't release in 1994 either.

    • @nonic_
      @nonic_ 4 года назад +60

      @@The2808erik Final Fantasy VI released in 1994. :P
      VII did not tho.

    • @The2808erik
      @The2808erik 4 года назад +15

      @@nonic_ yeah I know. He was talking about FF7 and the PS1 though and FF6 released later on the PS1 with added cut scenes.

    • @erikheijden9828
      @erikheijden9828 4 года назад +53

      MISTAKES WERE MADE

    • @n0madfernan257
      @n0madfernan257 4 года назад +10

      for that error, securities are circumvented

  • @SotNist
    @SotNist 4 года назад +351

    Nintendo: *sends C&D to Bung*
    Bung: Are you threatening me? I need TP for my bunghole!

  • @kilgoretrout8896
    @kilgoretrout8896 4 года назад +176

    Just when you think you’ve heard of every strange gaming device, this pops up in your feed. Thanks for this great video!

    • @JohnPeter-yf5jf
      @JohnPeter-yf5jf 3 года назад +1

      Use to have one was amazing

    • @sultanjaksel9624
      @sultanjaksel9624 3 года назад +1

      i owned this since year 2000.... its a very old device

  • @CurryKitten
    @CurryKitten 4 года назад +51

    The story of Lik-Sang sound like an interesting tale as well. Effectively forced into closure, it claimed to have supplied most of the execs in Sony Europe with PSPs before they could get them from Sony in Japan

    • @empoleonmaster6709
      @empoleonmaster6709 4 года назад +3

      please tell me more, I'm interested

    • @AesculapiusPiranha
      @AesculapiusPiranha 4 года назад +20

      Lik Sang was such a great website. I remember they would often give neat little freebies with orders. Got my famicom GBA Micro, my red DS, and a few games including Elecroplankton from them. They were my favorite online retailer in general until they were forced to close.

    • @YdenMk-II
      @YdenMk-II 4 года назад +13

      @@empoleonmaster6709 Lik-Sang was an import site that originally dealed in mod chips and other stuff. From memory they stopped selling those products after a number of lawsuits from the big 3 and pivoted to just imported products. Think Play-Asia but with free shipping and that's basically what Lik-Sang was.
      The PSP lawsuit was about how the PSP didn't get a simultaneous global release with Europe being the the last region to get it so people from the EU used the site to import Japanese PSPs. Sony's Europe didn't like how the company was potentially eating into their sales so they sued Lik-Sang in UK courts and won with the ruling saying something along the lines that Sony had the exclusive rights to sell Sony products. This lawsuit was the straw that broke the camel's back and forced the site to shut down and as a parting shot, Lik-Sang mentioned how according to their customer data, a lot of Sony EU management had used their site to get the PSP early.

    • @grey5626
      @grey5626 2 года назад +1

      @CurryKitten: I befriended one of the Lik-Sang employees years ago. Pretty awesome individual! A rather accomplished developer too.
      Alas, it is lamentably common for hegemonic big businesses to be bullies to any organization which has appearances of potentially eating into their profit margins. Lik-Sang sold a lot of products which were completely unrelated to devkits which could be potentially used by unethical individuals for piracy.

  • @nickabbott4411
    @nickabbott4411 4 года назад +88

    Still got my Doctor V64 to this day. Still working well. I've had to replace the CD-ROM drive as the laser failed but now it's alive again. I used to get patches from Dextrose where you could patch games to have trainers and cheats!
    Edit: Had it since the first year it released and could probably adjust the laser pot to fix it but quicker to replace!
    Edit edit: I used the parallel cable to dump my own cartridges to patch them and then re-run on the Doctor 64. Still got my Mario 64 game with the always ability to fly mod!

    • @kbruns33
      @kbruns33 4 года назад +7

      Dextrose

    • @MrDmoney156
      @MrDmoney156 4 года назад +1

      @@kbruns33 well to be fair we did get a bit of that returned with the PSP's Pandora Battery, Nintendo DS & 3DS's flashcarts, and i guess if you want the Nintendo Switch's RCMLoader dongle that plugs straight in the Switch without needing a PC or Laptop to do the work everytime.

    • @kbruns33
      @kbruns33 4 года назад +1

      @@MrDmoney156 True, though still (to me) doesn't feel the same. Funny thing about the Switch though, I have the SXos and doggle etc.. and I've never used it. Everything on the Switch platform has been top rate and ive purchased everything. My initial desire was homebrew emulators but with the security measures and online risks.. I said the hell with it.. not gonna do it. That being said though, I have enough purchasing power that buying games are really a non-issue to me. Something that wasn't the case during prior consoles for me.

    • @user-yv2cz8oj1k
      @user-yv2cz8oj1k 4 года назад +2

      Though you could probably fit an IDE to USB drive in it instead and forget the laser death altogether. Might be a plan to buy ione for the future in case the current drive dies.

    • @nickabbott4411
      @nickabbott4411 4 года назад +1

      @@kbruns33 yeah I know what you mean about the fun, plus it was probably better when we were younger because it was a bit... Naughty lol. I was lucky in that I could save money up and buy the games legit but the doctor 64 allowed me to "test" the games before I bought them. I mostly only played Mario kart and goldeneye with my friends so owning them original didn't cost much at all, zelda and other games I bought and traded at the local flea market once I'd completed them. Probably why mine is still working well as it only get used for playing with cheats and trainers!

  • @TheEpicFace007
    @TheEpicFace007 4 года назад +83

    Damn dude when I saw your tweet about the new video for Monday I couldn't wait for it. Thanks you for your quality content.

  • @alexjohnward
    @alexjohnward 4 года назад +7

    as a game tester at Nintendo, one of us guys had one of these and copied eproms. Each was salted so if it ever leaked Nintendo would know exactly who it came from... The only early eprom we couldn't copy was perfect dark, it came to us welded into a steel frame with an n64 inside!

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki 4 года назад

      So you have a bunch of N64 prototype ROMs?

    • @alexjohnward
      @alexjohnward 4 года назад +2

      @@renakunisaki no, it wasn't me personally, I wouldn't have had the balls to do it, it was very very risky activity.

    • @aussieguy1012
      @aussieguy1012 4 года назад

      @@alexjohnward Can you please explain what do you mean by salted?

    • @alexjohnward
      @alexjohnward 4 года назад +2

      @@aussieguy1012 each eprom cartridge had a bit of unique code hidden in it by NCL, so if it ever leaked they would know exactly where it leaked from.

    • @Krytern
      @Krytern 4 года назад +1

      @@alexjohnward They actually spent the money to send over an entire console, welded in a metal case to try and stop piracy which would of hardly touched their bottom line anyway? The things company will go through because of the big boogyman Piracy.

  • @El_Chompo
    @El_Chompo 4 года назад +48

    I can't imagine what an amazing system the 64 would have been with an optical drive. The games were so hamstrung by storage space. So much performance available in the new system when it came out, but no storage.

    • @Prizm44
      @Prizm44 2 года назад +4

      Meh, it would’ve turn into a clone of the Playstation with circle-jerk FMVs, ridiculously long load times, and multiple discs. I don’t think it was that bad of a decision by Nintendo to keep the cartridge format for one last rodeo.

    • @Prizm44
      @Prizm44 2 года назад +2

      @Gomam0n - I intended to say shittier 3D, as the N64 had slightly better visuals sometimes, but they were both bad overall. I'll take that out of the comment as it's not really relevant to cartridge vs disc.

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 7 месяцев назад

      ⁠​⁠@@Prizm44The DRAM in this unit is an UNGODLY amount of RAM for a typical CD-ROM based system which only has to have enough RAM for the menu or current level. Meanwhile, this thing has to fit an entire game into RAM. The PlayStation CD-ROM was only ~2x speed and only got a little faster in later models because Sony literally couldn’t source anything slower.
      One of my V64s came with an 8x Matsushita CD-ROM and the other came with a 24x Teac notebook CD-ROM. Even the 8x had fast loading speeds from CD. You’d literally spend more time loading to get in any PlayStation game.
      It was loading over the parallel port that was painfully slow but thankfully they resolved that with the faster V64jr… a parallel port ONLY device (no CD-ROM).
      So, yeah, imagine how rich you could make a single level with 32MB DRAM in addition to the console’s 8MB RDRAM. The CD-ROM had plenty of room to feed that if you didn’t waste it on FMV and uncompressed audio like most PlayStation games did.

  • @jakfearon2945
    @jakfearon2945 4 года назад +7

    We used some of these at Boss Game Studio (World Driver Championship, etc.), and I still have mine they gave me when they closed down (I was an artist there). Always thought this thing was pretty cool, thanks for the history video. :)

  • @LunaTuna
    @LunaTuna 4 года назад +38

    You are hands down my favorite RUclips creator! Thank you for the great content and awareness of the homebrew community!

  • @YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit
    @YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit 4 года назад +7

    I remember the lady's face at Blockbuster when I walked in for the third time in one day and plopped another 5 carts on the counter, while returning the previous 5. "...What's wrong with this guy..?" It's a dev kit tho.

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 4 года назад +16

    "Bung Pirate" would have been the perfect name for this device.

  • @JeffReeves
    @JeffReeves 4 года назад +5

    Very fascinating look at technology an 8 year old me back in 1997 would have killed for lol. I remember being absolutely fascinated by the idea of how code written on a PC would somehow end up on a cartridge as a video game. I think because I still have that fascination I love watching this channel, and have been subscribed to it for some time. Thank you for making these videos!

    • @dominicstpierre2938
      @dominicstpierre2938 Год назад

      My friends dad was really tech savy and he had one, we would play games month in advance without spending a dime. Same thing with your modded ps1 with copied games. Those were the days.

  • @nukfauxsho
    @nukfauxsho 4 года назад +6

    I love your channel. I grew up learning my first language (python), then moving on lua and messing around with the psp. Every video is like reliving one of those moments. I remember doom on psp and being blown away that emulation and older games ran so well. I still have that old sucker too still running custom firmware. Thank you for all the great work you do.

  • @brettdulaney697
    @brettdulaney697 3 года назад +2

    I had one of these back in the day, I had like 40 games saved to one disk, you couldn't save your games but it was awesome, paid 400$ for it back in 97

  • @Mmmm_tea
    @Mmmm_tea 4 года назад +5

    Lik Sang was amazing, once I ordered something from them within a week later the price had dropped by around $20, without asking they gave store credit for the price difference! never seen customer service like that before or after,

  • @aarongreenfield9038
    @aarongreenfield9038 4 года назад +29

    You must have really geeked out to receive such a sweet retro hacker toy!

  • @EvilCoffeeInc
    @EvilCoffeeInc 4 года назад +4

    One thing that's cool about Bung is they held a homebrew gameboy game competition to promote their gameboy product, basically like a game jam. We played the games in Kusogrande recently.

  • @fred290e
    @fred290e 4 года назад +2

    You have some of the best content on YT! Big props, man!

  • @JordanHowellMusic
    @JordanHowellMusic Год назад +1

    This is awesome . What a great explanation and telling of the history of this whole topic. I just basically heard about this now, besides little snippets of things in the past that I knew this existed but did not know much about it so thank you very much for laying it all out here! Really cool and Man back in the day there would’ve been such an awesome thought to know about as a kid that I could be developing my own N64 games in my house!

  • @ccooper2654
    @ccooper2654 4 года назад +5

    I had a Dr64 (and 32 other backup units) in my collection at one time (late 90's). i visited Carl Ind in Miami and Bung in HK in 96/97. They were actually really nice. I also was part of the release groups for the Dr64. There was another copier (cant remember the name right now) for the N64 that backed up to ZIP Disk (originally the 100meg disk and later the 250M disk). Fun times. Great to see videos on this devices, as they are a really interesting subculture of the video gaming history.

    • @paultapping9510
      @paultapping9510 4 месяца назад

      I know this is unlikely, but I don't suppose you ever remembered the name of that other peripheral? I believe I also wanted that specific one back in the day but can't remember it's darn name!

  • @jrc9648
    @jrc9648 4 года назад +12

    Back in the late 90's I was in HK and Dr. V 64 was in those shady shops you found in obscure markets. I remember I could buy the whole set up and take it back home with me. At that point in time. I already dealt with the Dr equivalents of the SNES but using floppy's. Man I could give a boat load of information on all those devices for so many platforms and all I had seen. Could write a book on it. But it's nice to see you bringing this to light. Cheers.

    • @MrDmoney156
      @MrDmoney156 4 года назад

      Wasn't there one for the NES or Famicom as well if i recalled? I remembered reading that somewhere before.
      Also, was it cheaper to get it straight from Hong Kong rather then importing it back then?

    • @jrc9648
      @jrc9648 4 года назад +2

      @@MrDmoney156 Yes as well for GB. The other systems I just remember they made repo's I don't recall ever seeing Drs for Sega or NEC.

    • @grey5626
      @grey5626 2 года назад +1

      @@MrDmoney156 Yes, there were similar devices for those.
      Unlike Jr C's assertion that he could "write a book on it" and "I don't recall ever seeing Drs for Sega or NEC" he completely ignores the Multi Game Doctor^2 and the Super Magic Griffin, as just two examples. In other words: if he wrote a book on such subjects, it would be lacking a lot of details.

  • @kobe1902
    @kobe1902 4 года назад +1

    Every video you make is super engaging and interesting. Keep it up MVG!!

  • @remakeyourself
    @remakeyourself 4 года назад +1

    This is one of the first things I ever learned about on the Internet. I remember reading about it via AOL in 96 on my 28k dial-up modem and being hellbent on getting one. So cool you got your hands on one.
    The V64 files in emulation coming from this device is blowing my mind right now. Great video as always MVG!

  • @91Nickson
    @91Nickson 4 года назад +5

    Great Video, like always. That's a Story I've never heard of. Thanks!

  • @tonystair6818
    @tonystair6818 4 года назад +3

    Love your videos, man. Thanks for making them.

  • @sinthiasin9659
    @sinthiasin9659 2 года назад +1

    Love your videos, I learn so much being so young I didn't know some of this stuff was even out back then. Crazy!

  • @akfreed6949
    @akfreed6949 2 года назад +1

    About 20 years ago I found this weird newspaper style publication that had cables that allowed you to hookup a Nintendo 64 to a Wintel PC through the PCs RS232 port . It allowed you to copy cartridges to the PC and load the games from your PC .

  • @evv4198
    @evv4198 4 года назад +6

    Now this is a great mvg video!!! Thanks to starting again doing REALLY vintage content videos !!! I look for your videos every week , you’re the best!

  • @nrg753
    @nrg753 4 года назад +105

    Imagine if an n64 game were released on CD ROM! Cutscenes, Redbook audio, more content 😁

    • @dan_loup
      @dan_loup 4 года назад +12

      It would be quite a capable FMV box, because it is actually possible to play full MPEG videos on it by using the coprocessor to do the heavy lifting.
      I bet it would be possible to do a single disc final fantasy 7 game for it without losing any video quality, or even with 24-30 FPS fmvs instead of 15.

    • @zombiedude347
      @zombiedude347 4 года назад +1

      And scratches.

    • @guy_5108
      @guy_5108 4 года назад +5

      m.ruclips.net/video/DhKX_i4BlGs/видео.html the storage format had an impact on what games were made and cartridges had advantages over CDs and vice verca which led to different games.

    • @guy_5108
      @guy_5108 4 года назад +7

      @crazyflyingdonut You're an idiot.

    • @dan_loup
      @dan_loup 4 года назад +6

      @nicholascooney It's exactly the fun fella i'm talking about.
      This game uses FULL MPEG to compress the video instead of the half assed MJPEG stuff of the PS1, or the awful Cinepak codec on the saturn.
      The full MPEG have interframe and motion prediction frames that makes the overall file a lot smaller for the same quality. which do wonderful things such as requiring less bandwidth from the CD-ROM and shoving more minutes of video in it.
      Of course, to fit all the movies of resident evil 2 on a 64 MB cartridge, they sacrificed quite a lot of video quality, but at least it's possible.
      Trying to do this with MJPEG would result in horrid blocky slideshows

  • @Half-LightZ13
    @Half-LightZ13 4 года назад

    One of my favorite channels currently. Great moves, keep it up.

  • @GadgetUK164
    @GadgetUK164 4 года назад

    Fantastic video! I love the detail you've been going into with these type of vids!

  • @caijones7132
    @caijones7132 4 года назад +11

    Great vid very interesting! Thinking back as a kid and remembering when al the ps1 owners would have about 100 pirated games 😂 I miss borrowing games from friends on the n64, we would swap for a week or two then play multiplayer on those titles or read nintendo mag and try and beat the diddy kong track records! Fun times!

  • @infernaltim
    @infernaltim 4 года назад +4

    I never knew this existed. These videos are so freaking interesting. Thanks MVG!

  • @TheDREproductions
    @TheDREproductions 4 года назад

    I love every video you upload. Been curious about this for a while. Thank you!

  • @rj_chap
    @rj_chap 2 года назад +2

    I still have a CIB CD64 :). The CD64 along with the z64 were the two main competitors to the V64. Wish I had all three of them now for my collection. Great video and fantastic share, ty! Oh, and yes, I got my original device from Lik-Sang back in the 90s :).

  • @swagamotherfr.6696
    @swagamotherfr.6696 4 года назад +4

    I bought one of these yesterday, thankyou for the video!

  • @SmokeMonster
    @SmokeMonster 4 года назад +3

    Awesome video. The closest I ever got to these was gawking over them in the back of game magazines. Seemed like a dream come true back then.

    • @MrDmoney156
      @MrDmoney156 4 года назад

      Yep! It was actually featured in one of the GameFan issues if i recalled and later issues had to remove the ad.

  • @SpacedAug
    @SpacedAug 4 года назад

    I truly adore your content. Your deep dives into hardware and DRM are endlessly fascinating. Thanks for all you do.

  • @kordru
    @kordru 4 года назад +2

    Nice video, MVG!

  • @hiiambarney4489
    @hiiambarney4489 4 года назад +10

    A shot everytime he says Doctor V 64 and I'm dead.

  • @phillipthomas4489
    @phillipthomas4489 4 года назад +254

    "Today, we test the RUclips censorship algorithm. BUNG BUNG BUNG BUNG BUNG BUNG HOL--"

    • @Wourghk
      @Wourghk 4 года назад +12

      "Coopers and brewers be damned, censor it because Bevis and Butthead was a thing."

    • @phuzz00
      @phuzz00 4 года назад +7

      In UK English a 'bung' can also mean a bribe.

    • @cfdeers
      @cfdeers 4 года назад +2

      @@phuzz00 Hey... tell you what... I can give you a bung... want one in exchange for a passport? Hehehe.

    • @benderman1157
      @benderman1157 4 года назад +11

      "I am the great Cornholio! I demand tp for my bung"

    • @user-yv2cz8oj1k
      @user-yv2cz8oj1k 4 года назад +2

      Didn't the previous Italian President Silvio Berlusconi have 'bunga bunga parties'! :D

  • @mr.voidout4739
    @mr.voidout4739 2 года назад +2

    2:52 Pitchforks and torches! Get your pitchforks and torches here~!

  • @SendFoodz
    @SendFoodz 4 года назад +1

    the amount of times i had to hear him say bung dumps...

  • @penrar
    @penrar 4 года назад +3

    I’d never heard of these, that was dope! Cheers MVG 🍺

  • @TracyVisp
    @TracyVisp 4 года назад +90

    3:00 “one of the best video games ever made: final fantasy 7” yet the Roman numeral for 6 is on screen

    • @WestHaddnin
      @WestHaddnin 4 года назад +2

      Lol

    • @SirTonyChaos
      @SirTonyChaos 4 года назад +7

      Came looking for this comment lol

    • @katherinegaymes
      @katherinegaymes 4 года назад +2

      he also put the publishing date for ff6

    • @PhaelehDK
      @PhaelehDK 4 года назад +3

      Glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed that.

    • @ActionHeinz
      @ActionHeinz 4 года назад +2

      Inflation. In 1997 it was VI now it's VII... same with the release date...

  • @alcyonedevelopments7398
    @alcyonedevelopments7398 4 года назад

    I remember seeing a picture with a short paragraph about this in a german videogame magazine from the 90's. Thx for sending me on that nostalgia trip!

  • @SimX9000
    @SimX9000 4 года назад +1

    Love your videos MVG, keep up the great work!

  • @karmatose
    @karmatose 4 года назад +6

    Man, I wanted one of these so badly when they came out.

  • @HunterTinsley
    @HunterTinsley 4 года назад +5

    I had the "Mr. Backup Z64" which used zip disks. It was awesome...

    • @kbruns33
      @kbruns33 4 года назад +1

      Until you got the click of death. Both the internal drive in my z64 and the external drive that I had on my PC both died in the same week.. had to replace them both. $$$. Kinda wish I would have done the CFlash drive mod to it when it was still being worked on.

    • @DFX2KX
      @DFX2KX 4 года назад +1

      @@kbruns33 yeah, if you put any Click-o-disks that where murdered by the old drives in those new drives, they'd break.... That hardware bug... OMG....

    • @nunyanunya6398
      @nunyanunya6398 4 года назад +1

      oh it was it was so sweeeet... excellent "investment". best birthday gift everrr. drive is broken now

  • @clairetnr
    @clairetnr 4 года назад

    I really think that your work is wonderful. I learnt so many things watching your vids. Thank you !

  • @goinghamilton7863
    @goinghamilton7863 4 года назад

    Love your content! Always exciting to see a new upload!

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +15

    I ordered my second V64 and two V64jr 512 units from Lik Sang after Nintendo won and got an import ban. Still have them!

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +2

      Yeah, the V64jr units were rebranded "E64" and had two-tone shell colors in order to look slightly different and not match the list of banned products a US Customs agent might be referring to. ;) It still had "Bung" molded on the shell though!

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +2

      The second V64, however, was new-old stock found by Lik Sang. I recall paying by Western Union money transfer. Customs must have stopped looking for them by that point because I received it without issues. Still have it complete in box.

    • @MrSadface
      @MrSadface 4 года назад +1

      Aww, Lik Sang :(

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 года назад

      @@MrSadface I know, right? Can't believe Sony did them in over importing PSPs. :(

    • @Krytern
      @Krytern 4 года назад

      @@emmettturner9452 Recieving something doesn't mean customs stopped looking. Customs can't inspect every single package that enters the entire country for every single banned product. Your package probably wasn't even inspected.

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +4

    I'm very skeptical of Nintendo's claim that they became aware of Bung through Lik Sang. I became aware of them years earlier from ads in the back of magazines like Popular Science. PopSci had been around for a century so they weren't some fly-by-night publication. It exposed a lot of people to Bung's SNES Game Doctor (Professor SF) series. Heck, I even saw the V64 featured in Game Pro or EGM in early 1997 (actual article).

    • @blakegriplingph
      @blakegriplingph 4 года назад +1

      There was also a classified ad on Popular Mechanics back in 1998 which offered PS1 modchips and such.
      Growing up I was only made aware of modchips and piracy when a cousin of mine in the States mentioned about those things if we were to play bootlegs or imports. And then there was those so-called "Hong Kong silvers" with the Indiana Pacers logo on it, sold at flea markets and malls for cheap. I honestly was not aware about the N64 though I've vaguely heard of the Saturn. Nintendo's no-holds-barred litigation habit came as no surprise but while I do understand as in some ways Bung's shady practices can be construed as unfair competition, Nintendo's stifling of law-abiding homebrewers e.g. with the ban on flash carts can be a bit too much imho.

  • @KingNikolai
    @KingNikolai 4 года назад

    thank you for uploading an n64 video!! I just bought one like 2 days ago and was searching your channel for any n64 related ones haha

  • @obsidianchao
    @obsidianchao 4 года назад

    Super dope video. Crazy how much hardware was required to use this thing!

  • @matchi9592
    @matchi9592 4 года назад +19

    My dad used to be a engineer in Bung Enterprises
    That's cool to me

    • @davidbraucht544
      @davidbraucht544 4 года назад

      i like it

    • @matchi9592
      @matchi9592 4 года назад

      @@robertoceferino1456 what the hell

    • @robertoceferino1456
      @robertoceferino1456 4 года назад

      @@matchi9592 It was a crazy place to work. We did a lot of cocaine.

    • @robertoceferino1456
      @robertoceferino1456 4 года назад

      @@riaandebeer6718 He needed a bung doctor after I was finished with him. Only kidding, I was gentle and took it slow. We used thermal paste as lube. It's basically a silicone compound so it works great. That's a little secret between engineers who get their man love on the down low.

    • @workethicrecords5901
      @workethicrecords5901 4 года назад

      Do you think there would be any way to leak to code or schematics for this guy? MOS 6502 chips are still being mannufactured, so re-building these in an open source enviroment wouldn't be the most difficult thing.

  • @richardc5100
    @richardc5100 4 года назад +3

    Another Spawnwave video: *I sleep*
    MVG Video: *drops everything to watch*

    • @raresideb
      @raresideb 4 года назад

      I hope you don't have a newborn

    • @richardc5100
      @richardc5100 4 года назад

      @@raresideb rip Richard Jr 2019-2019

  • @WickedGamerCollector
    @WickedGamerCollector 4 года назад

    Did see these on Ebay here and there, thanks for sharing always joy watching your video's.

  • @PhillBowser
    @PhillBowser 4 года назад

    Excellent video! I had a Doctor V64 growing up along with a Z64, both were amazing at the time!

  • @ARCSYS4049
    @ARCSYS4049 4 года назад +87

    I need TP for my Bunghole.

    • @SK91NO
      @SK91NO 4 года назад +1

      Ok boomer

    • @nosebeareatsfudge3275
      @nosebeareatsfudge3275 4 года назад +13

      Beavis and butthead for the win. The young ones will not remember.

    • @Suraj_Hamal
      @Suraj_Hamal 4 года назад +2

      R u threatening me...

    • @lethauntic
      @lethauntic 4 года назад +1

      No need for TP, fingers exist for a reason.

    • @VikingBagsYT
      @VikingBagsYT 4 года назад +1

      Beavis: "I am from Nicaragua!"

  • @ScottDuensing
    @ScottDuensing 4 года назад +3

    Guess I had mine early - I didn't get a CD of games! :-) I did some homebrew with it, but again, it was early. There were no 3D libraries or anything available at the time. I got some decent 2D stuff running on it but had moved on to some other shiny new toy by the time the SDKs matured.
    Mine also had a memory card that died. They were pretty good about replacing it though.
    Fun device.

  • @THEREALDATALORD
    @THEREALDATALORD 4 года назад

    As usual, your content is world class. Thanks for this history. Great editing.

  • @lactobacillusprime
    @lactobacillusprime 4 года назад

    Excellent video as usual. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this.

  • @Mick2K
    @Mick2K 4 года назад +55

    I always dreamed of having one of these but it was almost impossible for a teenager in germany to get.

    • @CIubDuck
      @CIubDuck 4 года назад +1

      These were relatively common in Sweden, but they were like 600 euros if I remember correctly.

    • @pshearduk
      @pshearduk 4 года назад +1

      I must have paid £500 here in the uk for mine

    • @surject
      @surject 4 года назад

      Why? Was a (swiss) teenager myself and just ordered it on their website...

    • @Jackifictional
      @Jackifictional 4 года назад

      @@surject Because it is not allowed to purchase online if you are under 18 and also probably no method of paying

    • @surject
      @surject 4 года назад +7

      @@Jackifictional I don't remember any age restriction, I mean that was HK and another time :) People didn't know what the Internet is ... what I remember are the 150 bucks each month going to my ISP _additionally_ to the regular dial-up phone charges per minute... was pretty disappointing coming from the BBS scene. But anyway. I used bank transfer. Wasn't a problem. I bought a lot of stuff "from" the net back then - also my 3D Banshee graphics card from a company in California :) ...and all the HK silvers and ofc the first Playstation, directly from Japan :) 1y before it was available in Europe. Toshinden included! Also got the Hex for the modchip from the net... the Internet was pretty much like the darkweb today I guess, lol.

  • @DannyWilliamH
    @DannyWilliamH 4 года назад +7

    3:00
    You labeled it as Final Fantasy VI (six)
    Delete your channel lol.
    Kidding. The development kit aspect of this story is insanely interesting. I'm surprised I'm only now hearing about this device. I love the notion of plugging in a glorified CD-burner to your device to have a completely working devkit.

  • @bwgti
    @bwgti 4 года назад +1

    You finally said it! A device to play backups is more likely a device to play pirated copies.
    Great channel. Great stories.
    Thank you!

  • @BoxiesAU
    @BoxiesAU 4 года назад

    Great video as always, I was not aware these existed. Neat piece of hardware

  • @tiziplays3239
    @tiziplays3239 4 года назад +7

    drinking game: take a shot every time he says doctor v64

  •  4 года назад +3

    Is just a humble but honest opinion, I'm sure someone out there must feel the same:
    This channel is one of the very finest of it's kind.
    Pretty N E A T job MVG, keep rocking!

  • @remyremington1056
    @remyremington1056 4 года назад

    I had one... still have the Jr version! Its not even a question and you already know this MAN! Its a Piracy Box!

  • @DRFTER34
    @DRFTER34 4 года назад

    I love this channel very historical and I'm always learning something new.

  • @TerraWare
    @TerraWare 4 года назад +11

    MVG is like the unofficial custodian of the home brew universe.

  • @SullySadface
    @SullySadface 4 года назад +62

    Wow, FF6 looks a lot better than I remember

    • @Mireneye
      @Mireneye 4 года назад +1

      My thought too ^ -^

    • @asherael
      @asherael 3 года назад +1

      HAHAHAA! Right? i saw that and came to the comments all "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait...."

  • @Petertronic
    @Petertronic 4 года назад +1

    Amazing info-packed video as ever.

  • @doggaki
    @doggaki 4 года назад

    Amazing research and presentation!!

  • @SindyxLotus
    @SindyxLotus 4 года назад +5

    2:58 ah yes, I too remember how we arrived by train in Final Fantasy VI and proceeded to kick the living shit out of the guards posted there.

  • @DVRC
    @DVRC 4 года назад +8

    1:04 SGI IRIX

    • @jorcyd
      @jorcyd 4 года назад

      Costed much as a car... but kicked a lot of PCs asses

  • @OinariKanji
    @OinariKanji 3 года назад

    I'm addicted to these videos, so entertaining and good content.

  • @LeeDarkParadox
    @LeeDarkParadox 4 года назад

    Great video 👍
    The VideoCD functionality is pure genius too 😀

  • @torquemada3332
    @torquemada3332 4 года назад +8

    Now THIS Is my Monday Morning

  • @CorruptionDee
    @CorruptionDee 4 года назад +4

    I remember vividly reading a story about this piracy tool in 1997, from a videogame magazine. I don't remember if it was GameFan, EGM, Gamepro, or other. I wanted one to play rare imports or maybe even prototypes.

    • @emmettturner9452
      @emmettturner9452 4 года назад +3

      As a 16 year old I stood in the aisle at the grocery store on my lunch break from a nearby hotel and read that same article. I think it was Game Pro or possibly EGM. Don't think it was Game Fan. Speaking of "vivid," I still remember the page layout and such. :) I think it had a rendered Mario sliding and a V64+N64 somewhere to the left of center. Ended up getting my first V64 as soon as I could afford it (1998)!

    • @CorruptionDee
      @CorruptionDee 4 года назад +2

      @@emmettturner9452 Good times. I miss the 90s. I was also 16. Back when I bought all the magazines with their fake rumors, and freeloaded off the rest by going to Barnes and Noble.

    • @mattishida3067
      @mattishida3067 4 года назад +1

      Dee Jimenez I was 7 when i saw N64 on TV this console was the best console at hardware. Sony took many years to reach the top with PSX(code name for PS1 console)

    • @CorruptionDee
      @CorruptionDee 4 года назад

      @@mattishida3067 N64 could have won that generation, but Yamauchi and company insisted on paltry cartridges over CDs, and as a result the PSX got generation winning games like Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania SOTN, etc. Even the 64DD only held 64MB of data.

  • @eightbit1975
    @eightbit1975 2 года назад +1

    I owned the Z64 Mr. Backup....actually a few of them. Great devices, but I always really wanted the V64. Was never able to score one of those. Good score!