Thanks for your words... as they are most appreciated. As far as the distance racing... it was going off for a few years, but with the crazy tide of State restrictions many events have faded. Hopefully things will get better, as it was a blast to roll with friends and push personal limits...
Hello from London, England! I want to take a moment to say my appreciation for taking the time to shoot another in-depth and very informative video Michael! You seem like you really know your stuff and are my go to guy for LDP/ longboard information! Well done and keep up the good work! I hope you had a lovely Birthday! Thank again mate :).
Right on Bro! Thanks for taking a moment to send a comment as it motivates me to share what I learn.... I organize a Skateboard Longboard club which has been awesome in building a knowledge base. Currently one of our members is putting on another EPIC Longboard Skateboard event which I'm pleased to be a part of organizing. The event is Adrenalina Marathon in San Diego November 20 2016. So before that goes down, I'm hoping to put some very informative info out before the race... So stay tuned! If your on Facebook, go ahead and friend me Michel landegent and you'll be in the loop for more news and info from all my friends that I put on my timeline. Thanks again for noticing the Video! Spread the Stoke as I like to think... Michel.
Dude, you are an inspiration. I just decided to get into long boarding just for a little fun in the summer and to just cruise around. I don't plan to do anything too wild and crazy. It was hilarious to get feedback from people locally saying i'm nut to want to roll around on a board at 35 years of age.
Nice to hear from you Bro! Having been recently married, I've been a little distracted with the clips I try to share, however I have been skateboarding a bunch, so some new stuff will be posted soon enough! Glad to see you step into the sport and it inspires me to keep sharing what I learn from experience and other cool skaters that share their knowledge with me. For what its worth, I've been learning to ride Skate Parks and its a Blast! But more importantly is you getting out there and learning a skill set, that will only improve with a little dedication. And I just destroyed my LDP endurance with a low sugar low carb lifestyle change, that is helping me push beyond what I thought my body was capable of at 58 years old... Keep rolling man, since you only really get old, when you stop having fun!
Thanks man! I have a Video planned in which I'll run one lap of the entire course... Obviously I'll speed thru certain sections in editing, but it should be entertaining for anyone who's interested in seeing the course.
I have a set of 107 electric flywheels myself and they are awesome not hard to push and they roll real sweetly once you get used to them no problems highly recommend them
Titus Lazare Thanks for your comment on the post and Congrats on blasting to a top finish rolling the Bomb! My thoughts on running this set up with these wheels is to break them in a spell, so that they have some better grip than outta the wrapping and on the flats they carry some legit speed for sure, but for some the height of where the wheels put the deck could be a strain if a person likes to kick/ push with the deck height low.
I think you're the only guy on RUclips running 107's on a non electric board which is great! Out of curiosity how are they for general cruising? I imagine they'd be slow on flats. I currently run 85mm Orangatang Caguama's on a Pantheon Pranayama.
Azza Actually they carry some ridiculous speed on the flats.... They were sketchy at first since I was rolling them on a hot day and they were sort of icy... But after they get some ware, grip was much better, especially when carving at a higher speed. The main issues with the 107 for me is that going uphill can be a grind if it’s a long stretch, and I liked the 107’s the best when I had a set up with a double drop deck and trucks that were not to tall/ axle to ground.height!
Have a set of 107 myself I have pink set because the urethane is slightly softer giving more grip and they are very fast and do take a little time to get used to they give an awesome ride
Rocky Barookie Thanks for sharing what you use and for distance a little softer Urethane would be welcomed by me to absorb vibration on rough roads. I'll have to keep an eye open for the pink ones and give them a shot down the road. Thanks again.
Thanks Bro... I always appreciate some encouraging words and appreciation of what I learn... Soon as I recover from the holidays, I'll be trying to share more information to spread the stoke! Good times rolling...
Do you know/think the 107mm will fit on the Landyachtz Evo 40 without modification? It might be a little much but I think these would be fun for cruising
Being that it’s a top mount truck attachment it’s possible, but my guess after looking at the deck is that a slight mod will be necessary. The deck is 10 ply maple so I see no problem using a portable belt sander to hog out the area which would cause wheel bite. The 107’s will make the deck ride high and carving on the EVO is already challenged with how they angle the nose of the deck. Get some fast 76mm like Black ops from Seismic and you’ll have all the speed you need! Besides all that, if you can make the 107’s fit, good luck doing a brake check with those beasty wheels haha.
@@michellandegent5957 thank you for the response, I’ll look into the 76mm black ops. Your videos have been really helpful for giving me an idea of what I want in my board. Best of wishes for the future
Jeffrey Dancinger Thanks for noticing the video! The deck has its strong points for rolling distance, and it also makes a great start up deck for beginners since you can move your feet on the deck and feel your way into a stance without checking placement so much. However there are restrictions depending on what discipline your skating or if you need a set-up to combine a few different forms of longboard skating. Starting with my comment on restrictions, I'll mention Freeride and DH since a huge aspect of those styles is maneuverability with being able to turn a tighter radius. Top mount decks can turn a lot sharper, and they can also slide easier due to being able to have your feet positioned directly over the trucks. The Landyachtz switch 40 turns slower compared to a top mount (top mount; trucks are underneath deck and the deck either has NO drop from where the trucks are attached or just very minimal which would be called a micro drop top mount deck). Besides the slower turning, your feet are farther away from the trucks which makes for more effort and slower response for sliding. When the club I help organize wanted to buy decks for friends of members, we chose a drop thru deck design since there was a wider range of being able to crossover into more forms of longboarding. Like setting a board to be able to Freeride (going down hills enjoying the flow) and Long Distance Pushing. Using the same board for rolling 10 miles and then Freeride some hills. And from experience a drop thru deck is a lot easier to roll up driveway curb edges, since your feet can move around the deck more freely, instead of feet being sorta locked behind the transition part of the Landyachtz switch 40 deck. Worth mentioning is that a top mount deck is awesome (if you have experience, due to deck height is a challenge for beginners) but the top mount is still lame for distance pushing as the height is a battle on the joints and muscles compared to a lower deck.. Anyway I hope that give you a little insight. And feel free to visit our club meetup page in San Diego to view some other videos; San Diego Skateboard Longboard Race Club, or do a search on my RUclips channel for some more potentially useful info. M.
nice collection of boards. I am currently on 70mm. Do you have a comparison of 70mm /85mm/107mm regarding flat average pushing speed (gps comparison) in same conditions, same street.. good asphalt.. on.worse the 107mm clearly outperform.. but lets say the path is good, what is the difference in average speed?
For racing or distance the 85mm flywheel from seismic worked best for me, since the deck ride height should be most comfortable for the kick/ push. 107mm hauls but if the height of deck is too tall then it’s really counter-productive in the long run, due to strain on knees and or joints. And factoring in carving turns should be considered because bigger wheels translates into wider turns. When I want a good mix of performance I stick to 76mm for all purpose. And 70mm is my go to for lots of carving, slides, and hills. Just my two cents…
Great videos man! wish I would have seen them prior to have gotten my newly acquired board about a week ago. I bought it simply to cruise and been looking at larger diameter wheels as 65mm don't seem to cut it for me. Don't think I could get away with my mounted top sector 9 Fernando with much larger wheels though. Need to do some research as I believe the biggest ones I could get away with are 76-77mm. Anything bigger I'll get wheel bites I'm sure. Having second thoughts now that I should have gotten a drop-through board instead... You that seems to have experienced with tons of wheels, What's the largest diameter wheel you think I could get away with on the aformentioned?
Appreciate the shout out for the Vid, and I took a look at your top mounted sector 9 bamboo deck. I'm thinking you'll need a taller riser pad and stiffer bushings in your trucks to get away with 76mm wheels. Then the deck will sit tall (less comftorable to kick/ push distance) and more unstable for beginners. And turning could be compromised greatly which will force you into very wide turns for carving. I've had a few deck shapes similar which I would categorize as a Pintail deck for mellow cruising and to be honest with you, I'd get some 70mm wheels and if you need to adjust the riser pads for clearence so as not to get wheel bite, it won't be too dramatic. I roll 70mm wheels for 10 miles easily, but you'll want something that carries speed, but still has some good response so as not to be bumpy. Like 78a but not more than 80a. Seismic makes some nice rolling black ops formula wheels at 70mm called Urchin's. And if you can get away with 72mm then the new Venom cannibal F1 is a super fast wheel. Then you have the option of Abec 11 Zigzags at 70mm which are extremely fast as well. You really don't need 76mm to have a wheel that carries speed well... Hope that helps, oh and you should factor in that center set wheels (hub in the middle for bearings) will make wheel bite easier, so be sure to consider at least an offset hub (hub for bearing closer to the inside of truck) which will give you more clearance to prevent wheel-bite ( when your wheel stops on the underside of the deck when turning/ carving). And if you can afford it, another option is running some wider 10" trucks.
Hi Michel ! Interesting setup. Those big 107 look sick. That must be a dream on rougher terrain. I really like your idea of having a serious drop deck to avoid the feet touching the wheels. Regarding the trucks, do you think the x sabre would fit on the same deck? What would you do if you would like a very turny rig? Would it be ok using wedges ? Also, are the trucks not too narrow when you lean comlpletely (wheel bites)? I told you about my plan on buying the Samba. When I look at your setup, it seems almost perfect for ldp, but I still wonder on the turny aspect of the beast at 40' long. I saw LY had a 38' , 7 ply switch. Could that be a solution if I would like to also be able to pump it? (I'm only 140lbs) . Do you know of any places where it would be available as a deck only ? I know... many questions... I thank you for your help and wish you a good one !
Reno D It’s difficult to accurately answer your questions without writing a book, but I tried to give you a basic guideline of what I’d do on another comment of yours. And the set up your looking at here is strictly for long distance on flat terrain. Without having the Lush deck in hand it’s hard to say what the tolerances are for wheel bite and set up. And the transition edge across the deck is mainly important for long distance when your pushing yourself and fatigue is setting in. Your comment on very turny rig is actually what I roll with now, however it’s still stable because I use special bushings. Riptide Sports bushings are the Bomb and on one of my videos I explain setting up a pump and push deck with Vector Bennet truck in front and Randal 42 degree in rear for stability. 7ply is fairly spongey but with your light weight it’s still usable. Personally I don’t like a deck with all that bounce since it’s not to my liking when going fast or going down hill. In America many people use Daddies Longboard Shop, since they have a huge selection and great customer service. Worth mention, when I was first rolling I used Paris trucks starting with the V1 model then upgrading to V2 and they are perfect for learning and progression.... Hope that helps some.
nice info! Hope I can make it to watch the event and meet you guys. 26+ miles seems like another universe compared to what I can do as a new rider. What about shoes? Is there any consideration for the ideal LDP shoe?
Good to hear from you again! Yeah you should definitely make it down for the race, and I can at least let you camp on my property... have tons of great camping gear, so you don't have to waste cash on motel. And I'm thinking next year you'll be ready to race if I have a little time to work with ya. Looking back at when I started, the idea of 26.2 miles was like climbing Mount Everest. But you'll be totally surprised at how fast you can pick up your game, with a little info in the right direction. Well with shoes, obviously they should fit comfortable, but what I highly recommend is a shoe with a good Gel pad. My Acacias or whatever their called have a nice cushion (they have GEL sole) and they are great for impact absorption in the heal. And you want to make sure the back of the shoe doesn't rub a blister above your heal. So there you have it! Ideal is that the shoe fits Awesome! Toes are not crunched... like you can stand in them on an incline and their still comfy. Shoes are best when they absorb impact. And then the back of the shoe shouldn't be too tall to give you a blister or a high top that fits without rubbing a blister. Most LDP people I see wear low top like myself. Oh and shoe sole tread shouldn't be all wafflely. Like more of a tight pattern, as its better on a set-up that needs either your heels or toes to hang over the side rails to turn when your bushings are either a little tight to prevent wheel-bite or you want stability. You hang your toes or heels depending on which way your turning, and this gives you more leverage to turn a deck with tight turning trucks. And a tighter shoe sole just feels better on the sides of a deck when you use extra leverage in turning.
Hey Michel, nice vid, I own a set of those wheels, used to use them on my stand up paddle skateboard setup. Was thinking of making a new setup for LDP with them, do you still ride yours?
HyptoCrypto Wheels were fun on the flats, but to heavy on the uphill grades and outta control when going down hills... Not a fan of Abe’s 11 urethane, since they don’t progressively slide. If you have a lot of hills the DEFCON formula on 85mm speed vents is what I’m rocking. The Black ops formula is the fastest and I dig those for speed, but are not as easy to bust out brake checks as the defcon formula. Since I like hills and flat for cruising long distances that’s my choice. I will say that my go to wheels/ daily drivers are 76mm since I’ve been setting up boards with a good flow for Pump action. And If I’m going to strictly go downhills sliding, then 70mm is my choice! Keep the good times rolling Bro!
Thanks, michel, I was wondering whether you had any updates to this setup with the 107s, I am trying to make use of the wheels I already have for a flats setup. Do you think dont trip poppys will work well as an alternative truck?
HyptoCrypto Absolutely! For distance those trucks are sweet, as a lot of people I’ve met use them including some stand up paddlers. The only reason I haven’t bought them is they are more of truck for use on the flats... My flavor encompasses quite a few hills, however when I have some extra cash burning in my pocket I’ll get those poppy’s myself.
Justin Galligan Actually the deck isn't heavy it all, but your right on the friction aspect, since the wheels have a lot of drag when you go up slopes. Some people who take Long Distance Pushing like the wheels especially for training to race. Personally I like the 85mm speed vent wheels from Seismic since they are worlds lighter.
Michel thanks for inspiring a 46 year old guy to start longboarding again. This board looks like a great commuter, or for traveling long distances . Can I ask you what size the trucks are ? I was thinking of buying a Bustin , Nomad DDrop board but not sure how to set that up with the Abec 107mm. I'm looking for a board with the most drop . Most likely I'll end up coping your set up. Thanks a bunch ! Appreciate any help from you or anyone else. Thanks ,and god bless.
Thanks for your comment and for starters the trucks are Bear/ Polar bear's at 180mm. Then the deck you mentioned; Bustin/ Nomad double drop is a sweet commuter board but I think the 107's are not the ticket for wheels since they aren't the easiest to control for brake checks. Seeing that you might use the Polar Bear trucks which have a low ride height, I'd suggest either Seismic Speed vents 85mm defcon formula which I like or a smaller Abec 11 wheel like their 90mm which has a good roll and sorta slides okay (doesn't break loose gradually/ but will work with finesse). Hope that helps some.
Thank you so much for your response. I bought the wheels already LOL ,so now i have to use them . I was thinking of buying a Longboard Larry , Push 2.0 . I was going to order it as a drop through, so basically it would be a double drop , and use these wheels . Mainly for going straight on flat ground .So basically I need your help trying to find a board/truck combo that will work with these wheels( preferably a drop deck or double drop). Your videos are great and very informative , keep posting them ! Thank you and God Bless
billalcantar03 Checked out the Larry Push 2.0 again as I was somewhat familiar with that deck but I've never see the double drop model so I can only give you a few thoughts on the straight 2" drop. Its a nice deck with some flex due to the 8 ply, but I don't like not having more wood on the deck transition to keep from stepping on the wheel on a misstep when you reposition your foot on the deck while pushing/ kicking with front foot. The Landyachtz has stiffer deck and more transition for protection and clearance for the wheels is solid as I'm not sure about the Larry deck.
As far as you having already bought the 107 wheels, you'll have fun with them just be sure to break them in for a while before you trust the grip on the road when carving turns especially in warm weather. Adding to my earlier comment about the Longboard Larry deck is that the front transition which I like to have extend to the sides is more critical for distance pushes of say 26 miles. I've had numerous decks with very little transition on the sides and still enjoyed those decks with NO problems, however I have seen people step on the wheels when not paying attention or getting tired. Right now the Landyachtz switch 40 is my choice for a long distance race deck. Hope that helps a bit.
Hey man. First of all, Great vid! I am thinking about making sort of the same setup. Just one question. I dont know if you already mentioned it but how much is the drop of the landyachtz switch?
First off, Thanks for your comment. Then regarding your question, the drop on the Landy according to spec. sheet is 1.8". If your going to try and save a little cash by buying an alternative deck, make sure you check the wheel-base (measurement is distance between the inside holes of deck for trucks.), since anything over 32" will make the Longboard turn like a pig (SLOW/ Wide carve). And the transition drop for the Landy flares out to the edges, which makes for great protection when; you over-step back onto deck when pushing/ kicking. Over-stepping the deck up front will result in your foot tagging the front wheel, resulting in momentum stopping and you flying thru the Air! Some drop-decks will not have the drop transition go out to the edges, instead the deck will have the transition part cut-off on the side of each wheel, making the over-step to foot touching wheel hazardous. Lastly if you watched the whole clip, you'll hear my biggest complaint on the wheels at the end. So if your not a power kicker/ Strong/ Hard/ Be in shape pusher/ kick, those wheels could easily fail you for being too big. I will say that after Breaking the wheels in, they will hug the road so much better, because at first they drift easily and its spooky when wheels start sliding on a slow drift turn on their own....
michel Landegent Thanks for the reaction man. I have been skating for 2 years and I know for sure that I want this set up. Strength wise, I will be fine. Keep making vids man, watched almost everyone of em. Don't stop rolling brother ✌
Thanks for your encouragement Bro! Have some cool stuff in the works to share... But I got this wedding thing hanging over my head for a couple more weeks, so after I push thru it, and survive the holidays, some good stuff coming your way. Like these modification pieces shown with DIY vids that protect against tagging front wheels on distance racing, testing on Seismic G-5 spring trucks. Then some Don't Trip Poppy trucks review and testing... More wheel reviews.... Blah blah..etc. So stay tuned and keep spreading the Stoke!
Forgot to mention, is that if your in San Diego and want to connect to some events and or skater peoples rolling, then feel free to look me up off of Facebook messenger/ Michel Landegent
Rocky Barookie Those 107’s are still on my shelf, and if I’m rolling on flat terrain I might throw them on again! On this particular session it was like 90 degrees and the wheels were not scrubbed at all as they were new, and were sketchy to say the least... due to heat and newness. But thanks for the recommendation to give them another try and when the weather is cooler, I’ll give it some more time....
cool channel i didnt realize this long distance thing was even a sport. God bless you
Thanks for your words... as they are most appreciated. As far as the distance racing... it was going off for a few years, but with the crazy tide of State restrictions many events have faded. Hopefully things will get better, as it was a blast to roll with friends and push personal limits...
Hello from London, England! I want to take a moment to say my appreciation for taking the time to shoot another in-depth and very informative video Michael! You seem like you really know your stuff and are my go to guy for LDP/ longboard information! Well done and keep up the good work! I hope you had a lovely Birthday! Thank again mate :).
Right on Bro! Thanks for taking a moment to send a comment as it motivates me to share what I learn.... I organize a Skateboard Longboard club which has been awesome in building a knowledge base. Currently one of our members is putting on another EPIC Longboard Skateboard event which I'm pleased to be a part of organizing. The event is Adrenalina Marathon in San Diego November 20 2016. So before that goes down, I'm hoping to put some very informative info out before the race... So stay tuned! If your on Facebook, go ahead and friend me Michel landegent and you'll be in the loop for more news and info from all my friends that I put on my timeline. Thanks again for noticing the Video! Spread the Stoke as I like to think... Michel.
Dude, you are an inspiration. I just decided to get into long boarding just for a little fun in the summer and to just cruise around. I don't plan to do anything too wild and crazy. It was hilarious to get feedback from people locally saying i'm nut to want to roll around on a board at 35 years of age.
Nice to hear from you Bro! Having been recently married, I've been a little distracted with the clips I try to share, however I have been skateboarding a bunch, so some new stuff will be posted soon enough! Glad to see you step into the sport and it inspires me to keep sharing what I learn from experience and other cool skaters that share their knowledge with me. For what its worth, I've been learning to ride Skate Parks and its a Blast! But more importantly is you getting out there and learning a skill set, that will only improve with a little dedication. And I just destroyed my LDP endurance with a low sugar low carb lifestyle change, that is helping me push beyond what I thought my body was capable of at 58 years old... Keep rolling man, since you only really get old, when you stop having fun!
fuck em man people always judge
Great informational video. Can't wait to hear about the Adrelina! And good luck
Thanks man! I have a Video planned in which I'll run one lap of the entire course... Obviously I'll speed thru certain sections in editing, but it should be entertaining for anyone who's interested in seeing the course.
I have a set of 107 electric flywheels myself and they are awesome not hard to push and they roll real sweetly once you get used to them no problems highly recommend them
I used a very similar set-up to this and almost won Broadway bomb this year 😀 10/10 would recommend doing this
Titus Lazare Thanks for your comment on the post and Congrats on blasting to a top finish rolling the Bomb! My thoughts on running this set up with these wheels is to break them in a spell, so that they have some better grip than outta the wrapping and on the flats they carry some legit speed for sure, but for some the height of where the wheels put the deck could be a strain if a person likes to kick/ push with the deck height low.
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I think you're the only guy on RUclips running 107's on a non electric board which is great! Out of curiosity how are they for general cruising? I imagine they'd be slow on flats. I currently run 85mm Orangatang Caguama's on a Pantheon Pranayama.
Azza Actually they carry some ridiculous speed on the flats.... They were sketchy at first since I was rolling them on a hot day and they were sort of icy... But after they get some ware, grip was much better, especially when carving at a higher speed. The main issues with the 107 for me is that going uphill can be a grind if it’s a long stretch, and I liked the 107’s the best when I had a set up with a double drop deck and trucks that were not to tall/ axle to ground.height!
Have a set of 107 myself I have pink set because the urethane is slightly softer giving more grip and they are very fast and do take a little time to get used to they give an awesome ride
Rocky Barookie Thanks for sharing what you use and for distance a little softer Urethane would be welcomed by me to absorb vibration on rough roads. I'll have to keep an eye open for the pink ones and give them a shot down the road. Thanks again.
very nice board... thank you !
Thanks Bro... I always appreciate some encouraging words and appreciation of what I learn... Soon as I recover from the holidays, I'll be trying to share more information to spread the stoke! Good times rolling...
Do you know/think the 107mm will fit on the Landyachtz Evo 40 without modification? It might be a little much but I think these would be fun for cruising
Being that it’s a top mount truck attachment it’s possible, but my guess after looking at the deck is that a slight mod will be necessary. The deck is 10 ply maple so I see no problem using a portable belt sander to hog out the area which would cause wheel bite. The 107’s will make the deck ride high and carving on the EVO is already challenged with how they angle the nose of the deck. Get some fast 76mm like Black ops from Seismic and you’ll have all the speed you need! Besides all that, if you can make the 107’s fit, good luck doing a brake check with those beasty wheels haha.
@@michellandegent5957 thank you for the response, I’ll look into the 76mm black ops. Your videos have been really helpful for giving me an idea of what I want in my board. Best of wishes for the future
That is the Board me and my son have been looking at getting next.
Jeffrey Dancinger Thanks for noticing the video! The deck has its strong points for rolling distance, and it also makes a great start up deck for beginners since you can move your feet on the deck and feel your way into a stance without checking placement so much. However there are restrictions depending on what discipline your skating or if you need a set-up to combine a few different forms of longboard skating. Starting with my comment on restrictions, I'll mention Freeride and DH since a huge aspect of those styles is maneuverability with being able to turn a tighter radius. Top mount decks can turn a lot sharper, and they can also slide easier due to being able to have your feet positioned directly over the trucks. The Landyachtz switch 40 turns slower compared to a top mount (top mount; trucks are underneath deck and the deck either has NO drop from where the trucks are attached or just very minimal which would be called a micro drop top mount deck). Besides the slower turning, your feet are farther away from the trucks which makes for more effort and slower response for sliding. When the club I help organize wanted to buy decks for friends of members, we chose a drop thru deck design since there was a wider range of being able to crossover into more forms of longboarding. Like setting a board to be able to Freeride (going down hills enjoying the flow) and Long Distance Pushing. Using the same board for rolling 10 miles and then Freeride some hills. And from experience a drop thru deck is a lot easier to roll up driveway curb edges, since your feet can move around the deck more freely, instead of feet being sorta locked behind the transition part of the Landyachtz switch 40 deck. Worth mentioning is that a top mount deck is awesome (if you have experience, due to deck height is a challenge for beginners) but the top mount is still lame for distance pushing as the height is a battle on the joints and muscles compared to a lower deck.. Anyway I hope that give you a little insight. And feel free to visit our club meetup page in San Diego to view some other videos; San Diego Skateboard Longboard Race Club, or do a search on my RUclips channel for some more potentially useful info. M.
nice collection of boards. I am currently on 70mm.
Do you have a comparison of
70mm /85mm/107mm regarding flat average pushing speed (gps comparison) in same conditions, same street.. good asphalt.. on.worse the 107mm clearly outperform.. but lets say the path is good, what is the difference in average speed?
For racing or distance the 85mm flywheel from seismic worked best for me, since the deck ride height should be most comfortable for the kick/ push. 107mm hauls but if the height of deck is too tall then it’s really counter-productive in the long run, due to strain on knees and or joints. And factoring in carving turns should be considered because bigger wheels translates into wider turns. When I want a good mix of performance I stick to 76mm for all purpose. And 70mm is my go to for lots of carving, slides, and hills. Just my two cents…
Great videos man! wish I would have seen them prior to have gotten my newly acquired board about a week ago. I bought it simply to cruise and been looking at larger diameter wheels as 65mm don't seem to cut it for me. Don't think I could get away with my mounted top sector 9 Fernando with much larger wheels though. Need to do some research as I believe the biggest ones I could get away with are 76-77mm. Anything bigger I'll get wheel bites I'm sure. Having second thoughts now that I should have gotten a drop-through board instead... You that seems to have experienced with tons of wheels, What's the largest diameter wheel you think I could get away with on the aformentioned?
Appreciate the shout out for the Vid, and I took a look at your top mounted sector 9 bamboo deck. I'm thinking you'll need a taller riser pad and stiffer bushings in your trucks to get away with 76mm wheels. Then the deck will sit tall (less comftorable to kick/ push distance) and more unstable for beginners. And turning could be compromised greatly which will force you into very wide turns for carving. I've had a few deck shapes similar which I would categorize as a Pintail deck for mellow cruising and to be honest with you, I'd get some 70mm wheels and if you need to adjust the riser pads for clearence so as not to get wheel bite, it won't be too dramatic. I roll 70mm wheels for 10 miles easily, but you'll want something that carries speed, but still has some good response so as not to be bumpy. Like 78a but not more than 80a. Seismic makes some nice rolling black ops formula wheels at 70mm called Urchin's. And if you can get away with 72mm then the new Venom cannibal F1 is a super fast wheel. Then you have the option of Abec 11 Zigzags at 70mm which are extremely fast as well. You really don't need 76mm to have a wheel that carries speed well... Hope that helps, oh and you should factor in that center set wheels (hub in the middle for bearings) will make wheel bite easier, so be sure to consider at least an offset hub (hub for bearing closer to the inside of truck) which will give you more clearance to prevent wheel-bite ( when your wheel stops on the underside of the deck when turning/ carving). And if you can afford it, another option is running some wider 10" trucks.
michel Landegent thx for your reply/info 👍
michel Landegent May i ask do you get a simulour profile if you just put the large wheels on a drop trough deck ?
Hi Michel !
Interesting setup. Those big 107 look sick. That must be a dream on rougher terrain. I really like your idea of having a serious drop deck to avoid the feet touching the wheels. Regarding the trucks, do you think the x sabre would fit on the same deck? What would you do if you would like a very turny rig? Would it be ok using wedges ? Also, are the trucks not too narrow when you lean comlpletely (wheel bites)?
I told you about my plan on buying the Samba. When I look at your setup, it seems almost perfect for ldp, but I still wonder on the turny aspect of the beast at 40' long. I saw LY had a 38' , 7 ply switch. Could that be a solution if I would like to also be able to pump it? (I'm only 140lbs) . Do you know of any places where it would be available as a deck only ?
I know... many questions... I thank you for your help and wish you a good one !
Reno D It’s difficult to accurately answer your questions without writing a book, but I tried to give you a basic guideline of what I’d do on another comment of yours. And the set up your looking at here is strictly for long distance on flat terrain. Without having the Lush deck in hand it’s hard to say what the tolerances are for wheel bite and set up. And the transition edge across the deck is mainly important for long distance when your pushing yourself and fatigue is setting in. Your comment on very turny rig is actually what I roll with now, however it’s still stable because I use special bushings. Riptide Sports bushings are the Bomb and on one of my videos I explain setting up a pump and push deck with Vector Bennet truck in front and Randal 42 degree in rear for stability. 7ply is fairly spongey but with your light weight it’s still usable. Personally I don’t like a deck with all that bounce since it’s not to my liking when going fast or going down hill. In America many people use Daddies Longboard Shop, since they have a huge selection and great customer service. Worth mention, when I was first rolling I used Paris trucks starting with the V1 model then upgrading to V2 and they are perfect for learning and progression.... Hope that helps some.
nice info! Hope I can make it to watch the event and meet you guys. 26+ miles seems like another universe compared to what I can do as a new rider. What about shoes? Is there any consideration for the ideal LDP shoe?
Good to hear from you again! Yeah you should definitely make it down for the race, and I can at least let you camp on my property... have tons of great camping gear, so you don't have to waste cash on motel. And I'm thinking next year you'll be ready to race if I have a little time to work with ya. Looking back at when I started, the idea of 26.2 miles was like climbing Mount Everest. But you'll be totally surprised at how fast you can pick up your game, with a little info in the right direction. Well with shoes, obviously they should fit comfortable, but what I highly recommend is a shoe with a good Gel pad. My Acacias or whatever their called have a nice cushion (they have GEL sole) and they are great for impact absorption in the heal. And you want to make sure the back of the shoe doesn't rub a blister above your heal. So there you have it! Ideal is that the shoe fits Awesome! Toes are not crunched... like you can stand in them on an incline and their still comfy. Shoes are best when they absorb impact. And then the back of the shoe shouldn't be too tall to give you a blister or a high top that fits without rubbing a blister. Most LDP people I see wear low top like myself. Oh and shoe sole tread shouldn't be all wafflely. Like more of a tight pattern, as its better on a set-up that needs either your heels or toes to hang over the side rails to turn when your bushings are either a little tight to prevent wheel-bite or you want stability. You hang your toes or heels depending on which way your turning, and this gives you more leverage to turn a deck with tight turning trucks. And a tighter shoe sole just feels better on the sides of a deck when you use extra leverage in turning.
wow thanks. I will have to make it happen 😃
Cool! I'll look forward to seeing you down the road Bro!
Hey Michel, nice vid, I own a set of those wheels, used to use them on my stand up paddle skateboard setup. Was thinking of making a new setup for LDP with them, do you still ride yours?
HyptoCrypto Wheels were fun on the flats, but to heavy on the uphill grades and outta control when going down hills... Not a fan of Abe’s 11 urethane, since they don’t progressively slide. If you have a lot of hills the DEFCON formula on 85mm speed vents is what I’m rocking. The Black ops formula is the fastest and I dig those for speed, but are not as easy to bust out brake checks as the defcon formula. Since I like hills and flat for cruising long distances that’s my choice. I will say that my go to wheels/ daily drivers are 76mm since I’ve been setting up boards with a good flow for Pump action. And If I’m going to strictly go downhills sliding, then 70mm is my choice! Keep the good times rolling Bro!
Seismic makes the 85mm wheels that I use for LDP for over 15 mile sessions. DEFCON and Black Ops formula for speed vents.
Thanks, michel, I was wondering whether you had any updates to this setup with the 107s, I am trying to make use of the wheels I already have for a flats setup. Do you think dont trip poppys will work well as an alternative truck?
HyptoCrypto Absolutely! For distance those trucks are sweet, as a lot of people I’ve met use them including some stand up paddlers. The only reason I haven’t bought them is they are more of truck for use on the flats... My flavor encompasses quite a few hills, however when I have some extra cash burning in my pocket I’ll get those poppy’s myself.
I would not like a board like that it would be heavy in or create a lot of friction
Justin Galligan Actually the deck isn't heavy it all, but your right on the friction aspect, since the wheels have a lot of drag when you go up slopes. Some people who take Long Distance Pushing like the wheels especially for training to race. Personally I like the 85mm speed vent wheels from Seismic since they are worlds lighter.
michel Landegent I meant the wheels. The board the board is pretty light but the wheels are bigger size so they would be heavier
Michel thanks for inspiring a 46 year old guy to start longboarding again. This board looks like a great commuter, or for traveling long distances . Can I ask you what size the trucks are ? I was thinking of buying a Bustin , Nomad DDrop board but not sure how to set that up with the Abec 107mm. I'm looking for a board with the most drop . Most likely I'll end up coping your set up. Thanks a bunch ! Appreciate any help from you or anyone else. Thanks ,and god bless.
Thanks for your comment and for starters the trucks are Bear/ Polar bear's at 180mm. Then the deck you mentioned; Bustin/ Nomad double drop is a sweet commuter board but I think the 107's are not the ticket for wheels since they aren't the easiest to control for brake checks. Seeing that you might use the Polar Bear trucks which have a low ride height, I'd suggest either Seismic Speed vents 85mm defcon formula which I like or a smaller Abec 11 wheel like their 90mm which has a good roll and sorta slides okay (doesn't break loose gradually/ but will work with finesse). Hope that helps some.
Thank you so much for your response. I bought the wheels already LOL ,so now i have to use them . I was thinking of buying a Longboard Larry , Push 2.0 . I was going to order it as a drop through, so basically it would be a double drop , and use these wheels . Mainly for going straight on flat ground .So basically I need your help trying to find a board/truck combo that will work with these wheels( preferably a drop deck or double drop). Your videos are great and very informative , keep posting them ! Thank you and God Bless
billalcantar03 Checked out the Larry Push 2.0 again as I was somewhat familiar with that deck but I've never see the double drop model so I can only give you a few thoughts on the straight 2" drop. Its a nice deck with some flex due to the 8 ply, but I don't like not having more wood on the deck transition to keep from stepping on the wheel on a misstep when you reposition your foot on the deck while pushing/ kicking with front foot. The Landyachtz has stiffer deck and more transition for protection and clearance for the wheels is solid as I'm not sure about the Larry deck.
As far as you having already bought the 107 wheels, you'll have fun with them just be sure to break them in for a while before you trust the grip on the road when carving turns especially in warm weather. Adding to my earlier comment about the Longboard Larry deck is that the front transition which I like to have extend to the sides is more critical for distance pushes of say 26 miles. I've had numerous decks with very little transition on the sides and still enjoyed those decks with NO problems, however I have seen people step on the wheels when not paying attention or getting tired. Right now the Landyachtz switch 40 is my choice for a long distance race deck. Hope that helps a bit.
michel Landegent thanks for all your help and advice. I really appreciate it buddy. God Bless You
Hey man. First of all, Great vid! I am thinking about making sort of the same setup. Just one question. I dont know if you already mentioned it but how much is the drop of the landyachtz switch?
First off, Thanks for your comment. Then regarding your question, the drop on the Landy according to spec. sheet is 1.8". If your going to try and save a little cash by buying an alternative deck, make sure you check the wheel-base (measurement is distance between the inside holes of deck for trucks.), since anything over 32" will make the Longboard turn like a pig (SLOW/ Wide carve). And the transition drop for the Landy flares out to the edges, which makes for great protection when; you over-step back onto deck when pushing/ kicking. Over-stepping the deck up front will result in your foot tagging the front wheel, resulting in momentum stopping and you flying thru the Air! Some drop-decks will not have the drop transition go out to the edges, instead the deck will have the transition part cut-off on the side of each wheel, making the over-step to foot touching wheel hazardous. Lastly if you watched the whole clip, you'll hear my biggest complaint on the wheels at the end. So if your not a power kicker/ Strong/ Hard/ Be in shape pusher/ kick, those wheels could easily fail you for being too big. I will say that after Breaking the wheels in, they will hug the road so much better, because at first they drift easily and its spooky when wheels start sliding on a slow drift turn on their own....
michel Landegent Thanks for the reaction man. I have been skating for 2 years and I know for sure that I want this set up. Strength wise, I will be fine. Keep making vids man, watched almost everyone of em. Don't stop rolling brother ✌
Thanks for your encouragement Bro! Have some cool stuff in the works to share... But I got this wedding thing hanging over my head for a couple more weeks, so after I push thru it, and survive the holidays, some good stuff coming your way. Like these modification pieces shown with DIY vids that protect against tagging front wheels on distance racing, testing on Seismic G-5 spring trucks. Then some Don't Trip Poppy trucks review and testing... More wheel reviews.... Blah blah..etc. So stay tuned and keep spreading the Stoke!
Forgot to mention, is that if your in San Diego and want to connect to some events and or skater peoples rolling, then feel free to look me up off of Facebook messenger/ Michel Landegent
107 electrics are awesome to ride you just need time to get used to them
Rocky Barookie Those 107’s are still on my shelf, and if I’m rolling on flat terrain I might throw them on again! On this particular session it was like 90 degrees and the wheels were not scrubbed at all as they were new, and were sketchy to say the least... due to heat and newness. But thanks for the recommendation to give them another try and when the weather is cooler, I’ll give it some more time....
Abeck! that's how you kept pronouncing it. Its Abec!
marc carter Thanks for clarifying my pronunciation of Abec and I’ll remember that!