The two tanks strat is pretty genious. If enemy ignores them, then the base gets leveled. If enemy focuses them, then tanks fulfill their role of tanking the damage.
In my opinion the fix is relatively easy. Minus 1-2 damage for lvl 2 water elementals or/and something with the manapool, like 130 mana instead of 125 or so. Lvl 3 AM is always such a huge powerspike and almost all races struggle very hard with it. They are just too good at killing Lores of Elf (late bears = gg) and expos of UDs (see this game)
Happy should seriously go back to 1 base coz no way 2 UD bases can compete against HU 2 bases lategame + expo harass And even if he do expo he should build more spirit instead of nerub like against wyverns
Happy and eer0 have tried 1 base but it’s very risky. It’s basically an all in timing push and if you lose you’re fucked. Forti is very good at defending , towers and strong, and Human can always push your main when you push their expo. And they’ll always trade your main for their expo any day. Water elementals are so strong. I don’t necessarily think it’s imbalanced but the matchup has not been figured out yet by UD
@@tak08810I'd take the 1 base risky all-in anyday then to be frustrated with overstretched 2 bases game where you can't even compete against their late game army
@@4bafiafzil999 i agree actually. Even all-in, chances were looking better. Back then, when hum being easier to harass (less hp peasants, less militia time, less manaburn). Also now they figured out to place expo at level ~3 not rush it, so harass will be weaker. That;s why i would like to see tourneys on old patches - with new meta (later expanding by hums) even old patches will give them 60-70% wr vs ud
I've always been a Forti fan the past 2 years and rooting for him constantly vs happy. HU vs UD is my favorite matchup by far. Something about the early WC3 campaign. Its a joy to see him crowned #1 for as long as he is disciplined.
@@psh3384 That’s not shat he is trying to do… He tries to shield you from spoilers in comments . You know when you turn on video and have not clicked on full screen yet and your eye sees comment which might be a spoiler… etc
Human is UltraOP, Staff, Tanks, FastbuildEXPO Undead is easy cancel alltime, endgame gold no expo, Pali heal no mana instant healing. X'D Knights ultra dmg, def, hp ... Undead is paper. Undead next goldmine is ultraeasy noob canceled, human goldmine expo is ultrahard canceled. :D And 3x Staff and instant no mana healing + healingpaper cheap X'DDDD (Human is Orc+Elf 2v1 & UD Hero "light") :DDD Why not have Orc and UD teleportation staff too?? Why is UD goldmine no hm and defense? :D And Human hafe extreme buildings. :D LOL this PATCH BLIZZARD
@@maxg9357 Yes Elves have only Endgame Big units Strong (Chym,Giant,Bear), many many resources. And Illidan is perfect to control mana too. :) Thats all. :/ Why have Human staff+heal?? This is S tier item. Omg, Orc + UD must have teleportation staff to unit tooo!! And UD building when you build is super easy to canceled and no repair. :/ Orc have mini Base, Elf have going Tree, Human have 50workers X'DD UD have all time canceled. :/ Must have Strongest deffens when build, or too Mini Base. ((Human have too mini Tower,... Human have all bonuses to all Race ... LUL)) Sorry for my english, no time to translate. This is No-Fairy Play system.
Happy is a veteran and methodical UD player, his tactics and experience are undeniable. However, when facing an opponent of equal skill and using HU army, he loses 80%. Why? Because Happy is very stubborn, UD vs HU is like a marksman fighting an assassin. It's not skill, it's the quality of the army.
Happy is indeed stubborn and rightfully so he makes it work most of the time but forti just has his number,eero plays better against forti than happy does
@nemonable push where, tho? They either fortify the fuck out of their expo with towers or have a completely walled off main. And lvl 3 AM can easily cancel your slaughterhouse and delay the frenzy destro timing. I agree ud army is shit late game but winning mid game is hard as well
Imagine HU fighting with less of an army given that Gyros are out of the game and STILL win, while UD has to use their lumber workers to fight. That's HU winning the minimum they have while UD working with everything they have to no avail. The balance is broken :)
18:30 expo base fight, If you look closely 6 knights and a MK wrecked all of Happy’s army…. I think Abo team will perform better than fiends at this point… Also, Destroyers is such an OP UD unit that it really balances the rest of your lineup, When you can’t use your best unit, The whole thing just crumbles down…
Fight starts at 18:06 : It’s 9 knights 7 flying with better upgrades vs t1 4 fiends and t1 6 ghouls ( not all of them fighting). Resource wise Hu : 2205 g 540 = 9 knights 700 g 300 l = 7 flying 2905 g 840 l = total Ud : 720g = 6 ghouls 860g 160 l = 4 fiends 400 g 70l = 2 statue 1980 g 230 l = total Hu army not counting upgrades costs 2x recourses+ needs higher tier ( t3 vs t1) + has better upgrades needs more supplies. You think this army should lose to t1 shit? Also only 3 ghouls was in fight not all 6… Late game hu can go for tanks knights and gryphons, banshee counter all 3 while is awesome against mk too… ud needs to get 4-5 banshee before hu gets 10+ knights with 4 gryphons + tanks with upgrades…
@@Biobin123 i dont think we are watching the same fight…. First of all the “flying units” never engage with army, They went straight to Gold mine…. Thats already MINUS 14 food that never touched Happy’s army…. After first 10 secs AM also went for gold mine… he left the knights and MK with a pally close enough to heal, And won. How tf are you not seeing this….
@ Ok i see you have no idea what you are talking about… basically there is no need to argue . But I’ll teach you. So flying machines are not built to counter ghouls, they are there to make sure ud cant morph statues into destro . Meaning 2 useless statue. ( you can heal and regen mana with 1 statue if microed but that makes difference in long fights, short fights where there are summons we and knights you need destroyer). Also while am is going for gold mine it gets coil nova and army is chasing him while knights and mk are killing them + aura + we… so yea he was part of the fight… and even with them out 4 fiend and 3 ghouls are worse than 7+ knights… in fact if ud had same position which hu had it would be insta gg . No race can fight in base while being so behind other than ud. Game was over at that point
@ By the way: 1. Would you be ok if 3 militia or footman + 4 rifle would wipe out 7 + abo? Especially with inferior upgrades? 2. Knights have 2 attack 1 armor upgrade + sundering blades and animal war training vs fiend 2 attack… ridiculous
I mean, Happy goes Lich expo 8 games in a row not even trying to switch despite having so many other options and despite this strat being officially considered bad for so long and ppl dare to say it's balance issues? The main strength of Undead vs Human nova days is variety. They can literally go any hero as the first one and also move from one base push to an expo any time they want. Not using this advantage makes zero sence and has nothing to do with balance. Lyn is competitive vs Happy due to a constant rotation of builds. If he played FS Headhunters or whatever else all the time Happy would have a 100% winrate vs him. Why Happy can't do the same and stubbornly stays at one build for weeks is beyond me
Happy goes DK - ppl are upset; Happy goes Lich - ppl are upset; Happy goes CL - ppl are upset; Human goes AM in 99% games for 21 year. Also fastexpo in 99% games. People just "OK".
@@nightyonetwothreeUndead go DK first in literally any other match up for 21 year, arent they? Different match ups may give or not give you an opportunity to jump between multiple strats but if you legit can rely on a large variety of strats in a certain match up but do not do It that it's obviously your own issue and not a bad balance
@@gaura-483I honestly think Lyn had a mental block that he fixed by taking a break. He and happy were always competitive he was a main rival but then happy just started owning him this year
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The two tanks strat is pretty genious. If enemy ignores them, then the base gets leveled. If enemy focuses them, then tanks fulfill their role of tanking the damage.
In my opinion the fix is relatively easy. Minus 1-2 damage for lvl 2 water elementals or/and something with the manapool, like 130 mana instead of 125 or so. Lvl 3 AM is always such a huge powerspike and almost all races struggle very hard with it. They are just too good at killing Lores of Elf (late bears = gg) and expos of UDs (see this game)
Ud nerfs too much in this patch, need to some fix
klassik
F to the humans using tanks
Happy should seriously go back to 1 base coz no way 2 UD bases can compete against HU 2 bases lategame + expo harass
And even if he do expo he should build more spirit instead of nerub like against wyverns
Happy and eer0 have tried 1 base but it’s very risky. It’s basically an all in timing push and if you lose you’re fucked. Forti is very good at defending , towers and strong, and Human can always push your main when you push their expo. And they’ll always trade your main for their expo any day. Water elementals are so strong. I don’t necessarily think it’s imbalanced but the matchup has not been figured out yet by UD
@@tak08810I'd take the 1 base risky all-in anyday then to be frustrated with overstretched 2 bases game where you can't even compete against their late game army
@@4bafiafzil999 i agree actually. Even all-in, chances were looking better. Back then, when hum being easier to harass (less hp peasants, less militia time, less manaburn). Also now they figured out to place expo at level ~3 not rush it, so harass will be weaker.
That;s why i would like to see tourneys on old patches - with new meta (later expanding by hums) even old patches will give them 60-70% wr vs ud
I've always been a Forti fan the past 2 years and rooting for him constantly vs happy. HU vs UD is my favorite matchup by far. Something about the early WC3 campaign. Its a joy to see him crowned #1 for as long as he is disciplined.
Spoiler shield 🛡️
Why??? What's wrong no 20 min black screen at the end hurt your feelings?
@@psh3384
That’s not shat he is trying to do…
He tries to shield you from spoilers in comments . You know when you turn on video and have not clicked on full screen yet and your eye sees comment which might be a spoiler… etc
@@Biobin123 But i like spoilers i see UD lost i don't watch vid
@@psh3384 well everyone has different taste. I personally don’t care about spoilers too much
Human is UltraOP, Staff, Tanks, FastbuildEXPO Undead is easy cancel alltime, endgame gold no expo, Pali heal no mana instant healing. X'D Knights ultra dmg, def, hp ... Undead is paper.
Undead next goldmine is ultraeasy noob canceled, human goldmine expo is ultrahard canceled. :D
And 3x Staff and instant no mana healing + healingpaper cheap X'DDDD
(Human is Orc+Elf 2v1 & UD Hero "light") :DDD
Why not have Orc and UD teleportation staff too??
Why is UD goldmine no hm and defense? :D And Human hafe extreme buildings. :D
LOL this PATCH BLIZZARD
totally agree. right now human is the strongest race that needs a nerf. and night elf is the weakest race that needs an up
@@maxg9357 Yes Elves have only Endgame Big units Strong (Chym,Giant,Bear), many many resources. And Illidan is perfect to control mana too. :) Thats all. :/
Why have Human staff+heal?? This is S tier item. Omg, Orc + UD must have teleportation staff to unit tooo!! And UD building when you build is super easy to canceled and no repair. :/ Orc have mini Base, Elf have going Tree, Human have 50workers X'DD UD have all time canceled. :/ Must have Strongest deffens when build, or too Mini Base. ((Human have too mini Tower,... Human have all bonuses to all Race ... LUL))
Sorry for my english, no time to translate. This is No-Fairy Play system.
@@thedanielfux Bears?? Have you not seen the other games and how easily bears melt? :D
@@TyRadman Perfect timing and aura = destroy expo fast, or goldmine (Zepelin drop) Strategy and tactic I see. :)
Taking destroyers away from happy is massive.
Any flying units from any race really
GG, WP
Happy is a veteran and methodical UD player, his tactics and experience are undeniable. However, when facing an opponent of equal skill and using HU army, he loses 80%. Why? Because Happy is very stubborn, UD vs HU is like a marksman fighting an assassin. It's not skill, it's the quality of the army.
Ud players just playing human expo game, ud should play 1 base and push mid game. In late game ud is worst race.
Happy is indeed stubborn and rightfully so he makes it work most of the time but forti just has his number,eero plays better against forti than happy does
@nemonable push where, tho? They either fortify the fuck out of their expo with towers or have a completely walled off main. And lvl 3 AM can easily cancel your slaughterhouse and delay the frenzy destro timing. I agree ud army is shit late game but winning mid game is hard as well
Cant judge a whole matchup on two players...
@@nemonable and why exactly do you think is that?
Imagine HU fighting with less of an army given that Gyros are out of the game and STILL win, while UD has to use their lumber workers to fight. That's HU winning the minimum they have while UD working with everything they have to no avail.
The balance is broken :)
Which fight are you referring to. Can you give time stamp?
Nerf hu..
And buff NE
wow.
i see happy vs forty...
Take my money
18:30 expo base fight, If you look closely 6 knights and a MK wrecked all of Happy’s army…. I think Abo team will perform better than fiends at this point…
Also, Destroyers is such an OP UD unit that it really balances the rest of your lineup, When you can’t use your best unit, The whole thing just crumbles down…
Fight starts at 18:06 :
It’s 9 knights 7 flying with better upgrades vs t1 4 fiends and t1 6 ghouls ( not all of them fighting).
Resource wise
Hu :
2205 g 540 = 9 knights
700 g 300 l = 7 flying
2905 g 840 l = total
Ud :
720g = 6 ghouls
860g 160 l = 4 fiends
400 g 70l = 2 statue
1980 g 230 l = total
Hu army not counting upgrades costs 2x recourses+ needs higher tier ( t3 vs t1) + has better upgrades needs more supplies. You think this army should lose to t1 shit? Also only 3 ghouls was in fight not all 6…
Late game hu can go for tanks knights and gryphons, banshee counter all 3 while is awesome against mk too… ud needs to get 4-5 banshee before hu gets 10+ knights with 4 gryphons + tanks with upgrades…
@@Biobin123 i dont think we are watching the same fight…. First of all the “flying units” never engage with army, They went straight to Gold mine…. Thats already MINUS 14 food that never touched Happy’s army…. After first 10 secs AM also went for gold mine… he left the knights and MK with a pally close enough to heal, And won. How tf are you not seeing this….
@
Ok i see you have no idea what you are talking about… basically there is no need to argue . But I’ll teach you. So flying machines are not built to counter ghouls, they are there to make sure ud cant morph statues into destro . Meaning 2 useless statue. ( you can heal and regen mana with 1 statue if microed but that makes difference in long fights, short fights where there are summons we and knights you need destroyer).
Also while am is going for gold mine it gets coil nova and army is chasing him while knights and mk are killing them + aura + we… so yea he was part of the fight… and even with them out 4 fiend and 3 ghouls are worse than 7+ knights… in fact if ud had same position which hu had it would be insta gg . No race can fight in base while being so behind other than ud.
Game was over at that point
@
By the way:
1. Would you be ok if 3 militia or footman + 4 rifle would wipe out 7 + abo? Especially with inferior upgrades?
2. Knights have 2 attack 1 armor upgrade + sundering blades and animal war training vs fiend 2 attack… ridiculous
I mean, Happy goes Lich expo 8 games in a row not even trying to switch despite having so many other options and despite this strat being officially considered bad for so long and ppl dare to say it's balance issues?
The main strength of Undead vs Human nova days is variety. They can literally go any hero as the first one and also move from one base push to an expo any time they want. Not using this advantage makes zero sence and has nothing to do with balance.
Lyn is competitive vs Happy due to a constant rotation of builds. If he played FS Headhunters or whatever else all the time Happy would have a 100% winrate vs him. Why Happy can't do the same and stubbornly stays at one build for weeks is beyond me
Happy goes DK - ppl are upset;
Happy goes Lich - ppl are upset;
Happy goes CL - ppl are upset;
Human goes AM in 99% games for 21 year. Also fastexpo in 99% games. People just "OK".
@@nightyonetwothreeUndead go DK first in literally any other match up for 21 year, arent they? Different match ups may give or not give you an opportunity to jump between multiple strats but if you legit can rely on a large variety of strats in a certain match up but do not do It that it's obviously your own issue and not a bad balance
It has been years but it looks like the reign of Happy the Emperor is over. All hail Fortitude!
More looks like humba...
Happy is as great as ever. It's just that the human race is overpowered. It was impossible to make such an unplanned race as a humans
took forty 2394 patches to get there
@@TyRadman it didn't, but still who cares about what time it took, if there's OP now.
Дичь с балансом
Happy washed up has been, can't even win vs D-tier wyvern
I mean lvl5 bm in hands of Lyn is just like nuclear warhead im Surprised how happy managed to win in past
This is forty vs happy game
@@Biobin123 haters didn't seem to care...
@@gaura-483I honestly think Lyn had a mental block that he fixed by taking a break. He and happy were always competitive he was a main rival but then happy just started owning him this year
@@tak08810
Main rival of happy from 2018 till 2024 was 120. Before 2018 happy was nobody so who cares. Lyn was best rival outside ud race…