There great defenders but into today’s era some of there steals and blocks( the main stats that stands out when talking about defending) would have been called fouls
I think the next ak47 was nassir little,on some footage that guy can easily guard zion williamson Ohh he has same wingspan like ak47.listed at 7'4 with 6'9 or 6'10 tall
AK47 was insane on defense I’m shocked he never won it. He could guard 1-5 in today’s game no doubt. He had all the intangibles.Watching him against my mavs he always gave dirk trouble and that’s rare.
He also fits today's offense way more. Man, you got me thinking what a prime AK47 could do today. He'd be like a less athletic Giannis but with a better jumper.
10 years ago I met some kids who thought the "dream shake" was Rondo´s move and didn´t even know who Hakeem Olajuwon was. I don´t find hard to believe that people nowadays don´t know about Andrei Kirilenko.
@@bfahren You basically answered yourself. You met a kid. A kid who did not know how to use google to check "dream shake", who was on left side of Dunning-Kruger effect graph. This may be a flatearther today :)
Hahaha I followed basketball a lot those years (not as much as lately, but still) and never realized Kirilenko was that good a defender, but yes I understand your concern ahaha
Nah Harden is hard to guard because he is skilled you guys are a bunch of casuals who don’t understand basketball that’s why you think what Harden does is easy
Nice video. Extra information I’d like to add. *Most Times 2nd Place in DPOY Without Ever Winning* 3 times - Bruce Bowen *Most Times 3rd Place in DPOY Without Ever Winning* 2 times - Tim Duncan 2 times - DeAndre Jordan *Most Times Top 3 in DPOY Without Ever Winning* 3 times - Scottie Pippen 3 times - Bruce Bowen *Most Times Top 5 in DPOY Without Ever Winning* 6 times - Tim Duncan *Most Times Top 8 in DPOY Without Ever Winning* 10 times - Tim Duncan 8 times - Scottie Pippen 7 times - Bruce Bowen Tim Duncan and Deandre Jordan did not even have a 2nd place in DPOY. So the fact that Duncan did not even come 2nd place in DPOY while having the most total All-Defense teams makes it doubly surprising. Duncan did have to compete in a stacked era of defensive big men from the beginning of his career to the end of his prime from 1998-2008. Mutombo, Alonzo, Ben Wallace, and Garnett. I think 2007 was the year he should have won it over Camby, who likely got it in large part due to his blocks title alone. Before 2002/03, there were no 2nd/3rd place votes for DPOY. You either received a 1st place vote(s) or none at all. This partially explains why some of the top defenders like Ewing didn’t have many top finishes in DPOY voting, since less votes were available in the first place. Ewing’s 1994 Knicks still have the single-year playoff record for most games allowing under 95 and 100 points (23 and 24 games, respectively). Ewing and Stockton never even made 1st Team All-Defense, though Ewing’s teammate Oakley did in 1994. 4:00 - Chris Paul’s highest DPOY voting finish was 6th in 2009. Kidd and Paul are the only players with 9+ total All-Defense teams and no top 5 finish in DPOY, though Kidd played in a way more stacked era of prime defenders (Mutombo, Alonzo, Ben Wallace, Duncan, Garnett) and instantly turned a bottom 10 2001 Nets defense to 1st in DRTG in 2002 and 2003. Kidd is also the only PG besides Magic Johnson (1982 and 1983) to lead an NBA Finals team in rebounding for the playoffs, he did it in 2002. And it was cool to see that some of the defensive plays here came from a few of my video uploads. I appreciate that.
He said he was hard to play against not stay in front of. Stockton did a lot on the court that you had to be prepared and aware. He wasn't breaking down team defense and getting into the heart of it. Guys who dish assists as difficult to guard because they pass or shoot and you can't always defend what you don't see coming. I guy trying to blow by you is typically easier to guard only because you know they not trying to pass, not looking to pass and typically trying to break your ankles. Stockton was never a lock down defender, getting steals is just a Stat to justify bring his name up because he lead the league in steals and is most likely still the steals leader but he was getting a large portion of steals from help defense not taking the ball out of his man's hand. Which was a contradictory point made in this video latter with another player.
Andy Hoops Yeah I know, i learned that from LOW’s last video. I think it’s a combination of those suns teams not being known for their defense and was competing against guys like Bruce bowen, artest, KG, and Duncan
Navalicus Okeanos The fucked up thing at the time was in 07 Martin won purely by leading in bpg, then in 08 KG won andvthe narrative was "it doesn't matter that his defensive stats aren't good; he's the anchor of the league's best defense and that's all that matters." Meanwhile Duncan had been anchoring some of the best defenses in league history throughout the preceding decade and that never mattered.
It's criminal that Duncan never even got 1 throughout his career. The only regular season award missing in his trophy case, not that it matters to him at all.
Great list but one player I would’ve loved to see of this list was Shawn Marion. He was so overlooked he never made an all defensive team which is insane. Love your videos though. Keep it up
Brandon Asbury Call me crazy but Harden is actually a decent on ball defender. By no means is he an All-NBA defender, but he can get the job done. Nowadays his defense has gotten significantly better, however, when it comes to team defense, such as when we see him just half assing it walking around and forgetting to stick to his man, then yeah that’s another story
Stockton shouldn't and wouldn't have won a DPOY never should have been brought up. Steals or not. Now if he was taking the ball out of player's hand like Kwahi, I'd say more likely but he wasn't locking folks up. Stop!
Shane Battle was pretty intense too. I've watched that no other player read as many personal reports on opponents than him. It was crazy that he played together with Tony Allen in Memphis, which had 2 of 3 best wing defenders in a league (Meta World Peace the other). But probably sill not good enough for that list (just 2x second defensive team).
Unfortunately for Duncan, most of his best defensive seasons in his career 2002-2007 were shared with Ben Wallace, who arguably was an even better defender in his prime and won it 2002,2003,2005&2006. The year Duncan should have won it was 2007.
Players: - Joe Dumars - John Stockton - Patrick Ewing - Chris Paul - Lebron James - Jason Kidd - Kobe Bryant - Tony Allen - Bruce Bowen - Andrei Kirilenko - Scottie Pippen - Tim Duncan
Nate McMillan was someone that could have/should have won the DPOY award, especially for his 93-94 season (94-95 was a good one, too). Mac 10 was the league leader in steals, during that 93-94 season.
lol he was a good defensive player, but if we are talking just about the perimter he wasn't close to as dominant as Pippen was in 94 or 95. Not even remotely close.
Definitely agree that Duncan is the the biggest snub DPOY....He has godlike defense in all NBA 2k games especially in 2k6 which he has the 99 rating...
You failed to mention BOBBY JONES... 10 All-Defensive Teams (9 First Teams), one of the greatest defenders ever recently inducted to the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame.
Basically most of these guys were snubbed because their defense isn't always shown on the stat sheet and because they always had some defensive big man who made much bigger impact on their teams defensively.
the guys like Kobe and Joe Dumars were a definition of you doesnt need a defensive stats to be a great defender. They make opposing scorer hard to score and in the other end they will kill you offensively.
@@bboywolf Though at least Chandler was truly not only a great defender and lockdown and the best defender of his team but actually anchoring it too. And for the previous 2011 year too, so much that his defense is what won a Mavs championship. Unlike Marc, missing all three of these things.
Chris Paul has some of the most incredible stats. His overall efficiency is out of this world. He already has one of the best assist to turnover ratios and then add that he averages the same mount of steals as turnovers.
Honorable Mentions: Tree Rollins, Bobby Jones (older, when award was invented, but still one of the best), Paul Pressey, Mookie Blaylock, Anthony Mason, PJ Brown, Antonio/Dale Davis, Buck Williams, Derek Harper, Thurl Bailey, Bobby Phills, Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, James Posey, Paul George, Nate McMillan, Bo Outlaw Eddie Jones, Rasheed Wallace, and etc.
I always thought Doug Christie was a solid defender. Not as great as some of the names on this list, but he made an impact and was definitely a key part of the Kings success from 01 - 04. At 6'6" he would guard 1 - 4. He would guard PF's during the "Run and Gun" small ball portion of the game because the Europeans Peja and Hedo (who were both bigger than him), weren't physical enough.
You forgot Dennis Johnson. The guy was guarding Magic during the intense Celtics-Lakers rivalry and was the finals MVP of 1979 Finals. He's also a 9x All-Defensive Team. Rajon Rondo was the the MVP of the Celtics in 2010 and he lead the league in steals that season. He is also a 4x All-Defensive Team PJ Brown - Dude was an underrated defender. He never had enough recognition because he was overshadowed by his teammate, Alonzo Mourning who also happened to be an elite defender who won DPOY award. He was a 3x All-Defensive Team. He was also vital during the 2008 Celtics championship. Andre Iguodala - You could argue that he was more vital in that Warriors 2015 than Draymond Green. He won finals MVP for a reason and he was guarding Lebron for most of the series. He only won 2x All-Defensive Team spots despite being a great defender. Al Horford - The fact the he only won a single All-Defensive Team spot is beyond me. Dude was the anchor of both the Hawks and the Celtics with his defensive presence. Celtics were top 2 in the defensive ratings in 2017-18 season and you could argue that he should have won the DPOY that time. Doug Christie - another underrated defender. Arguably the best defender on the Kings team with the second best defensive rating in 2002-03 season. Would have been an NBA champion too if it wasn't for the shady 2002 series against the Lakers.
Well, there was also some other early DPOY snubs, where the League was weirdly obsessed with giving guards with high steal counts the award for most of the 80s, even though rim protecting bigs has absolutely insane value for the era.
Andy Hoops: Pippen was definitely the better defender than Michael Jordan who didn't had the task to guard the best player of the other team. MJ could mainly focus on scoring because Pippen had a bigger defensive responsability. Rodman was just a role player with only rebounding as his main job and nothing else.
With the Pistons Rodman was one of the greatest perimeter defenders and also arguably the greatest undersized post defender ever. He matched up with Jordan or Pippen depending on what Chuck Daly wanted him to do and he completely shutdown both players as well as anyone when he was a Piston. Shit he made Pippen quit during the last two games of the series when the Pistons were at their peak the last game Pippen was too scared to play and faked a migraine to avoid the matchup.
@@Srbenda126 Jordan early on was a the superior perimeter defender whereas Pippen was still an elite perimeter defender but he could handle his own when defending in the post/paint whereas Jordan was too slim to do so so imo Pippen was the overall better defender due to being able to guard all the positions except for the best of the best post players.
Honorable mentions to Shawn Marion and Andre Iguodala. These guys never got the respect they deserved from the media, but players hated being guarded by these 2
It’s because the DPOY is generally (not always) given to guys who specialize in defense and/or are unlikely to win a championship. If you’re a truly well rounded player and your team is winning most games then they’re most likely limiting you to the discussion of MVP. And this gets political as the award can highly raise the trade value of the player who gets it.
@teslagod2003 Didn't he also have like ONE QD but it was taken back on some sort of technicality? I believe the '03 season. True too, man just played his game the best he knew how.
Scottie not winning DPOY was tough, but Ewing never winng is absurd. He is the best defensive center in college history and one of the best of his era on defense.
Agreed, people laugh at Ewing being dunked on so much, and for it IS quite entertaining as I'm a life long Bulls fan, but one of the reasons he was dunked on so much is because he was courageous enough to try and block the shot rather than worry about if he was going to be on a poster. That type of effort is commendable.
In a lot of these situations, it's the case of just playing in an era alongside greater players. The fact though that Tony Allen never won the award is criminal.
@@Statalyzer Indeed, especially in the 90s and 00s, that case was bs. The caliber of players that got robbed for that exact method is criminal, and especially over the decades.
These 12 guys would probably dominate the league in any point of NBA history PG: Stockton/Kidd/CP3 SG: Kobe/Dumars/Allen/Bowen SF: LeBron/Pippen PF: Duncan/AK47 C: Ewing You should probably do the 12 best scorers who never won a scoring title so we could pit these guys head to head (I'd wager the above team would crush that team though)
Really well can you name me a great 2 guard that tourched him in any playoff series like any bro alot of ppl say Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest was the best perimeter defender but that's not true real students of the game know that great defense don't always add up to stats sometimes it's as simple as did they score cause if they didn't score then the answers yes great defense is more than stats just ask kyrie Erving who he'd rather score against lebron James or Kobe Bryant he'll tell you and you sure as hell don't add 14 all 1st team defense awards to your resume without being able to play great defense that and if he couldn't stop you he'd out score you but it was rare that he couldn't stop you like as in I never! just ask lebron kd Harden Westbrook ray Allen Reggie Miller jalen rose Scottie pippen mj tmac deron Williams Carmelo Anthony jr Smith spreewell rip Hamilton manu ginoble and even iverson if he was guarding you it was going to be a long night the only one that could stop that was Phil Jackson game planning look I'm just saying you never seen anybody he was guarding out score him or come close to there normal offensive numbers they acostum to putting up when he's guarding them
All these guards are legit the reason they awarded Smart this season. They have overlooked guards on defense since Jordan, Dumars & Payton. They prefer versatile Wings & Big Men who can guard inside and out, interrupt passes & contest shots. Which is understandable
@@disco4255 u buggin. Wade was lockdown. Great on ball, great help defender, a pesky ball stripper, incredible player in the passing lanes, and a fantastic weak side, chase down, and head up shot blocker as a 6 ft 4 sg. He was def a top notch defender on par with kobe.
Why is there always an excuse for LeBron slacking on defense?? Coz he's older and you can't play both offense and defense blah blah blah.... Jordan came back in Washington wizards and still played both offense and defense at 40 years old and he even elevated the wizards in defense!! WTF
@@Caraxes_RoguePrince he makes stupid comments just to save LeBron's lousy "Legacy".. the man is so overrated anyway..yeah LeBron is great.,but who wouldn't be with a pass from the NBA using steroids?? And he controls who he wants to play with on his team.,he's got the ball most of the time of course he's gonna average crazy numbers yet he still suck at the finals! 3 and 6 fucking losses!! With 2 of those losses were CHOKES and another 2 were certified SWEEPstakes😂😂😂😂
Pippen and Olajuwon were robbed in the late 80s. Only three players have even had 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. Pippen, Olajuwon, and Jordan (did it twice). All of that occurred from 1986-1990.
Henny Lopez Wade needed to have at least 2.43 steals per game to reach 200. The most he’s had his whole career was 2.2 in 2008. Every other season he had less than 2 per game.
I love Marc Gasol, and I love the Grizzlies, but the 2013 DPOY win was always kinda weird to me considering he wasn't even voted to the 1st team all-defense that year. It's definitely a testament to the team's elite defense during that time and the tendency to prefer big men for the award, but it kinda sucks since I'm also a fan of lebron and it was his best chance of winning DPOY
I would put marcus smart on the list, Tayshaun Prince, Lindsey Hunter in his prime, Ron Harper who guarded the best guard on the opposite team during the bulls second 3peat, John starks, Charles Oakley, Doc Rivers, Reggie Theus, Dan Majrle, Horace Grant (Orlando year's) epic block on KJ to win the Finals against Phoenix, Dwayne Wade, Andre Iguodala, Healthy Grant Hill was also a lock down defender in his Piston days, just to name a few.
Although he played, only five season when the award was first given, the greatest defensive small forward in my opinion is Doctor J, the most overlooked regarding his defensive prowess, guarded all five positions, number one in blocks and steals for small forwards, true small forwards, not power forwards and centers playing small forwards. Also a guy, who's underrated by the name of Terry Tyler.
Wait, Ewing and Scottie never won a DPOY?
That’s absurd, shows how great the defenders were in that era
Tim Duncan
I am just shocked that Scottie never won it. He was such a crazy good defender.
Kayman234 exactly I'm like that's crazy
There great defenders but into today’s era some of there steals and blocks( the main stats that stands out when talking about defending) would have been called fouls
It’s not even a toss up between Jordan and Scottie. Scottie was the better defender and never won the award🤦♂️
God, imagine AK47 in todays league. A versatile wing with 7'4 wingspan, every teams wet dream
I think the next ak47 was nassir little,on some footage that guy can easily guard zion williamson
Ohh he has same wingspan like ak47.listed at 7'4 with 6'9 or 6'10 tall
exeterra imho he’d be a multiple time all star and multiple time all nba defensive team in todays league
LOL💀💀💀 fax
Hes reborn in Rodions Kurucs
fadiel pribadi nassir little is listed at 6’6 with a 7’1 wingspan
AK47. One of the coolest nicknames ever!! He should have won DPOY for sure. The guy averaged 1.5spg and 3bpg as a SF/PF. INSANE
And he compare him to a DONKEY what a disrespect to AK47
Who is AK47?
@@Ben14102 poor kid he is andrei kirilenko and his jersey# is 47.... Thats why ak47
@Tod Wilkinson His last season was in 2013 bro
For his name number and he was also Russian wit an AK47 is a Russian weapon yea that's clean it worked out for him like that
Damn, Tim Duncan had a Defensive Player of the Year award and a quadruple double performance stolen away from him.
Biggest theft in NBA history
Indeed, always crazy to recall, especially how it would've added to his already kind of career already.
I couldn't agree more...it is the NBA not wanting a guy like Tim overshadowing Shaq and others!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm surprised to hear Mr Fundamental never won a DPOY
Shawn Marion got snubbed from this list of snubs
G2V Gaming i wouldn’t say he was dpoy level but he should of made multiple all defense first team.
I was thinking the matrix too
For me zion is shawn Marion clone.
@@ytalorafael9710 for me i think zion is shawn kemp clone
Luol Deng too. Agreed.
The fact that Pippen & Duncan doesn’t have one, will forever be tragic. They’re both top 10 defenders of all time.
This.
what set pippen apart was his ability to cover a lot of space extremely quickly
1. Hakeem
2. DRob
3. Dwight
4. Russell
5. Eaton
6. Wallace
7. Rodman
8. Duncan
9. Mutombo
10. Garnett
11. Ewing
12. Mourning
13. Kareem
14. AK47
15. Giannis
16. Orlando Shaq
17. Chandler
18. Jordan
19. Wade
20. Kawhi
21. Wilt
22. Heat LeBron
>Pippen
LeBron also...
@@GrxndDxD Lebron would be 18 on that list if were talking about his defensive prime (2009-2013) when he actually played some defense.
Throw back to Marc Gasol won DPOY but not the first team all defense
Bruh for real? That’s such an L!
For some reason I thought it was Tyson chandler 😂
WALL·Es Channel I thought so, I just had that feeling chandler didn’t make first team either
how tf that happened?
Not sure, both won DPOY but we’re selected in defensive 2nd team
Wow Tony Allen really never won DPOTY. That's actually wild.
He didn’t even get 1st team all-defense
I always wondered how Kobe has more first trans than him when he’s literally stayed in the league off defense
Aaries Harris Tony Allen got 1st Team All-Defensive selections in 2012, 2013, and 2015.
Aaries Harris Just delete the comment and quit commenting on RUclips’s section.
Jayden Jee I’m pretty sure it was a ironic joke since there are clips of him saying first team all defense
AK47 was insane on defense I’m shocked he never won it. He could guard 1-5 in today’s game no doubt. He had all the intangibles.Watching him against my mavs he always gave dirk trouble and that’s rare.
perimeter defense was highly under valued back in the 90s
He also fits today's offense way more. Man, you got me thinking what a prime AK47 could do today. He'd be like a less athletic Giannis but with a better jumper.
@@jrmayun pre injury arvydas sabonis and pre nba drazen petrovic
He never moved the needle IMO, wasn’t exciting to watch at all, let alone the Jazz as a team
Man, how can you not know AK47? If you watched the league in his era, you had to know him. Even if you were not a Jazz fan..
10 years ago I met some kids who thought the "dream shake" was Rondo´s move and didn´t even know who Hakeem Olajuwon was. I don´t find hard to believe that people nowadays don´t know about Andrei Kirilenko.
@@bfahren You basically answered yourself. You met a kid. A kid who did not know how to use google to check "dream shake", who was on left side of Dunning-Kruger effect graph. This may be a flatearther today :)
He's the one that gave Pau Gasol problems in the Olympics when they were contending for the finals.
Hahaha I followed basketball a lot those years (not as much as lately, but still) and never realized Kirilenko was that good a defender, but yes I understand your concern ahaha
I didn't even watch the league when he was there and I still know him. Mostly because his nickname is so damn catchy
Bowen was the reason why harden is tough to guard.
Nah Harden is hard to guard because he is skilled you guys are a bunch of casuals who don’t understand basketball that’s why you think what Harden does is easy
@@semionjohnson1351 let him take 3s with a foot at his landing spot😂😂. CASUAL MORON
@@semionjohnson1351 yOu GuYs ArE a BuNcH oF CaSuAlS wHo DoNt KnOw BaSkEtBaLl
Nice video. Extra information I’d like to add.
*Most Times 2nd Place in DPOY Without Ever Winning*
3 times - Bruce Bowen
*Most Times 3rd Place in DPOY Without Ever Winning*
2 times - Tim Duncan
2 times - DeAndre Jordan
*Most Times Top 3 in DPOY Without Ever Winning*
3 times - Scottie Pippen
3 times - Bruce Bowen
*Most Times Top 5 in DPOY Without Ever Winning*
6 times - Tim Duncan
*Most Times Top 8 in DPOY Without Ever Winning*
10 times - Tim Duncan
8 times - Scottie Pippen
7 times - Bruce Bowen
Tim Duncan and Deandre Jordan did not even have a 2nd place in DPOY. So the fact that Duncan did not even come 2nd place in DPOY while having the most total All-Defense teams makes it doubly surprising.
Duncan did have to compete in a stacked era of defensive big men from the beginning of his career to the end of his prime from 1998-2008. Mutombo, Alonzo, Ben Wallace, and Garnett. I think 2007 was the year he should have won it over Camby, who likely got it in large part due to his blocks title alone.
Before 2002/03, there were no 2nd/3rd place votes for DPOY. You either received a 1st place vote(s) or none at all. This partially explains why some of the top defenders like Ewing didn’t have many top finishes in DPOY voting, since less votes were available in the first place.
Ewing’s 1994 Knicks still have the single-year playoff record for most games allowing under 95 and 100 points (23 and 24 games, respectively). Ewing and Stockton never even made 1st Team All-Defense, though Ewing’s teammate Oakley did in 1994.
4:00 - Chris Paul’s highest DPOY voting finish was 6th in 2009. Kidd and Paul are the only players with 9+ total All-Defense teams and no top 5 finish in DPOY, though Kidd played in a way more stacked era of prime defenders (Mutombo, Alonzo, Ben Wallace, Duncan, Garnett) and instantly turned a bottom 10 2001 Nets defense to 1st in DRTG in 2002 and 2003. Kidd is also the only PG besides Magic Johnson (1982 and 1983) to lead an NBA Finals team in rebounding for the playoffs, he did it in 2002.
And it was cool to see that some of the defensive plays here came from a few of my video uploads. I appreciate that.
Even Gary Payton said John Stockton was hard to play against, and that's coming from " The Glove" himself!
he said guarding him tho, not vice versa.
He said he was hard to play against not stay in front of. Stockton did a lot on the court that you had to be prepared and aware. He wasn't breaking down team defense and getting into the heart of it. Guys who dish assists as difficult to guard because they pass or shoot and you can't always defend what you don't see coming. I guy trying to blow by you is typically easier to guard only because you know they not trying to pass, not looking to pass and typically trying to break your ankles. Stockton was never a lock down defender, getting steals is just a Stat to justify bring his name up because he lead the league in steals and is most likely still the steals leader but he was getting a large portion of steals from help defense not taking the ball out of his man's hand. Which was a contradictory point made in this video latter with another player.
AK47 and Shawn Marion have to be on here, two of the most underrated defenders ever. Also maybe Ron Harper too because he was a pretty good defender.
You mean underrated players
Elias Amiand yes players but this is a defense video and so I said defenders because they’re also underrated defenders
Imo AK47, Shawn Marion and Tony Allen are the most underrated perimeter defenders of all time.
Believe it or not, Shawn was never selected into the All-Defensive Team.
You forgot about Shawn Marion
Extremely underrated player
you know what's crazy? Marion didn't even make a SINGLE all-defensive team
Andy Hoops Yeah I know, i learned that from LOW’s last video. I think it’s a combination of those suns teams not being known for their defense and was competing against guys like Bruce bowen, artest, KG, and Duncan
Yea thats because of his shitty jumpshot
The Iron Giant Shooting=Defense
I knew Tim Duncan would be #1
The Fundamental without DPOY. 😭
Navalicus Okeanos The fucked up thing at the time was in 07 Martin won purely by leading in bpg, then in 08 KG won andvthe narrative was "it doesn't matter that his defensive stats aren't good; he's the anchor of the league's best defense and that's all that matters." Meanwhile Duncan had been anchoring some of the best defenses in league history throughout the preceding decade and that never mattered.
@@blakecarpenter3938 crazy they hasnt one to Chandler v and not Duncan
It's criminal that Duncan never even got 1 throughout his career. The only regular season award missing in his trophy case, not that it matters to him at all.
@@jmr3178 well it's kind if hard to win one when u got monster athletic shot blockers like dwight, KG, and Big Ben taking it every year. lol.
Great list but one player I would’ve loved to see of this list was Shawn Marion. He was so overlooked he never made an all defensive team which is insane. Love your videos though. Keep it up
Ahead of time I already know James Harden is on this list 🤷🏽♂️
Facts
Harden don't even play defense LMFAO fuck out of here
@@brandonasbury7334 r/wooosh
Brandon Asbury Call me crazy but Harden is actually a decent on ball defender. By no means is he an All-NBA defender, but he can get the job done. Nowadays his defense has gotten significantly better, however, when it comes to team defense, such as when we see him just half assing it walking around and forgetting to stick to his man, then yeah that’s another story
Nice joke lmfao hahahaha
Players like Stockton and Ewing were so good in other ways that it made them tough to stand out as defensive players!
Stockton shouldn't and wouldn't have won a DPOY never should have been brought up. Steals or not. Now if he was taking the ball out of player's hand like Kwahi, I'd say more likely but he wasn't locking folks up. Stop!
Shane Battle was pretty intense too. I've watched that no other player read as many personal reports on opponents than him. It was crazy that he played together with Tony Allen in Memphis, which had 2 of 3 best wing defenders in a league (Meta World Peace the other). But probably sill not good enough for that list (just 2x second defensive team).
shane battier?
Damn that is so surprising that Duncan doesn't have a DPOY
Facts it feels like he prob he had won on his mvp or championship years
Unfortunately for Duncan, most of his best defensive seasons in his career 2002-2007 were shared with Ben Wallace, who arguably was an even better defender in his prime and won it 2002,2003,2005&2006. The year Duncan should have won it was 2007.
You should do a how good was ak47 video
i second that
agreed
FR
Small correction - Dumars spent his whole NBA career in the Pistons not only "most of it"
Players:
- Joe Dumars
- John Stockton
- Patrick Ewing
- Chris Paul
- Lebron James
- Jason Kidd
- Kobe Bryant
- Tony Allen
- Bruce Bowen
- Andrei Kirilenko
- Scottie Pippen
- Tim Duncan
Andrei kirilenko was the best for me ! block kobe 4x
Kd trey Don’t forget, Kobe was in his prime too💯in this era, he would’ve won it at least once
Nate McMillan was someone that could have/should have won the DPOY award, especially for his 93-94 season (94-95 was a good one, too). Mac 10 was the league leader in steals, during that 93-94 season.
Monitors of Decorum & Decency he might get coty this year so thats a consolation prize i guess haha
lol he was a good defensive player, but if we are talking just about the perimter he wasn't close to as dominant as Pippen was in 94 or 95. Not even remotely close.
Definitely agree that Duncan is the the biggest snub DPOY....He has godlike defense in all NBA 2k games especially in 2k6 which he has the 99 rating...
IMO he deserved it in both 2006 and 2013 at the very least.
You failed to mention BOBBY JONES... 10 All-Defensive Teams (9 First Teams), one of the greatest defenders ever recently inducted to the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame.
That guy got some hoops he always jump like he was flying
also the inaugural 6th moty
FACTS! Even more overlooked and underrated than Dumars.
Jones was an all time lockdown, and probably one of the first ones too.
Bobby jones could also guard 1-5
It’s a crime that Tony Allen and AK47 never won a DPOY
Basically most of these guys were snubbed because their defense isn't always shown on the stat sheet and because they always had some defensive big man who made much bigger impact on their teams defensively.
the guys like Kobe and Joe Dumars were a definition of you doesnt need a defensive stats to be a great defender. They make opposing scorer hard to score and in the other end they will kill you offensively.
Man, Toney Allen and Bruce were such nasty defenders.
The funny thing is, Marc Gasol was just All NBA Defensive 2nd Team when he won DPOY!
Tyson Chandler too
Crazy
@@bboywolf Though at least Chandler was truly not only a great defender and lockdown and the best defender of his team but actually anchoring it too. And for the previous 2011 year too, so much that his defense is what won a Mavs championship.
Unlike Marc, missing all three of these things.
@@bboywolf And, of course, didn't rob anyone either, unlike Marc with Lebron.
Says a lot because he shouldn't have won DPOY
Chris Paul has some of the most incredible stats. His overall efficiency is out of this world. He already has one of the best assist to turnover ratios and then add that he averages the same mount of steals as turnovers.
Honorable Mentions: Tree Rollins, Bobby Jones (older, when award was invented, but still one of the best), Paul Pressey, Mookie Blaylock, Anthony Mason, PJ Brown, Antonio/Dale Davis, Buck Williams, Derek Harper, Thurl Bailey, Bobby Phills, Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, James Posey, Paul George, Nate McMillan, Bo Outlaw Eddie Jones, Rasheed Wallace, and etc.
Nice to see tony allen get some love!! bro was a dawg
I always thought Doug Christie was a solid defender. Not as great as some of the names on this list, but he made an impact and was definitely a key part of the Kings success from 01 - 04.
At 6'6" he would guard 1 - 4. He would guard PF's during the "Run and Gun" small ball portion of the game because the Europeans Peja and Hedo (who were both bigger than him), weren't physical enough.
@HoopTrap.
Oh man, this is one of the best vids you made.
2013 DPOY was Marc Gasol. He got but the league didn't put him in the First All Defensive team. But Lebron make it. I still can't believe it.
So you're telling me Scotty never won
Shame isn't it
Joe Dumars is a top five all-time perimeter defender.
Yes, and Dumars is an underrated name/player too in these kind of talks.
KD and Kobe both said Tony Allen was the toughest defender they ever faced. Lot of respect for Tony.
You forgot Dennis Johnson. The guy was guarding Magic during the intense Celtics-Lakers rivalry and was the finals MVP of 1979 Finals. He's also a 9x All-Defensive Team.
Rajon Rondo was the the MVP of the Celtics in 2010 and he lead the league in steals that season. He is also a 4x All-Defensive Team
PJ Brown - Dude was an underrated defender. He never had enough recognition because he was overshadowed by his teammate, Alonzo Mourning who also happened to be an elite defender who won DPOY award. He was a 3x All-Defensive Team. He was also vital during the 2008 Celtics championship.
Andre Iguodala - You could argue that he was more vital in that Warriors 2015 than Draymond Green. He won finals MVP for a reason and he was guarding Lebron for most of the series. He only won 2x All-Defensive Team spots despite being a great defender.
Al Horford - The fact the he only won a single All-Defensive Team spot is beyond me. Dude was the anchor of both the Hawks and the Celtics with his defensive presence. Celtics were top 2 in the defensive ratings in 2017-18 season and you could argue that he should have won the DPOY that time.
Doug Christie - another underrated defender. Arguably the best defender on the Kings team with the second best defensive rating in 2002-03 season. Would have been an NBA champion too if it wasn't for the shady 2002 series against the Lakers.
DJ would have one if the award existed during the prime of his career. He got the most votes for all defensive team in both 1980 and 1981.
12 Greatest Nba teams who never won a championship
1. NBA referees
Russel OG 2. The 2000-2004 Sacramento Kings
yea, on account of the corrupt refs lol.
Haven’t seen the list yet but Timmy d should be number 1. He was a 15 times all defender. Enough said.
Well, there was also some other early DPOY snubs, where the League was weirdly obsessed with giving guards with high steal counts the award for most of the 80s, even though rim protecting bigs has absolutely insane value for the era.
Andy Hoops: Pippen was definitely the better defender than Michael Jordan who didn't had the task to guard the best player of the other team. MJ could mainly focus on scoring because Pippen had a bigger defensive responsability. Rodman was just a role player with only rebounding as his main job and nothing else.
Pippen was a better defender in the second 3 peat,but prime Jordan was a better defender than prime Pippen
Rodman was a better defender than both of them
With the Pistons Rodman was one of the greatest perimeter defenders and also arguably the greatest undersized post defender ever. He matched up with Jordan or Pippen depending on what Chuck Daly wanted him to do and he completely shutdown both players as well as anyone when he was a Piston. Shit he made Pippen quit during the last two games of the series when the Pistons were at their peak the last game Pippen was too scared to play and faked a migraine to avoid the matchup.
@@Srbenda126 Jordan early on was a the superior perimeter defender whereas Pippen was still an elite perimeter defender but he could handle his own when defending in the post/paint whereas Jordan was too slim to do so so imo Pippen was the overall better defender due to being able to guard all the positions except for the best of the best post players.
@@Zappappappappa Jordan was stronger than Pippen lol, Pippen was longer
AK47! It's rare to see a list that has him. Criminally underrated.
Honorable mentions to Shawn Marion and Andre Iguodala. These guys never got the respect they deserved from the media, but players hated being guarded by these 2
Bowen should be doing time not awarded.
he is responsible for a lot of injuries, and got away with it... the reason why i hated the spurs. eventhough im a david robinson apologist.
Stelios Christopoulos bruh I saw him at a trampoline park and got a pic with him
@@ralphfoster1001 Was he placing his foot under jumping people?
Great video idea! Great list! I agree with all thesw names. Knew Duncan would be #1.
Great call on Tony Allen & AK47!!!
Larry Bird....his defensive IQ is off the charts
It’s because the DPOY is generally (not always) given to guys who specialize in defense and/or are unlikely to win a championship. If you’re a truly well rounded player and your team is winning most games then they’re most likely limiting you to the discussion of MVP. And this gets political as the award can highly raise the trade value of the player who gets it.
Man Tim Duncan never winning genuinely shocked me
Duncan and pippen not winning was crazy
@teslagod2003 Didn't he also have like ONE QD but it was taken back on some sort of technicality? I believe the '03 season. True too, man just played his game the best he knew how.
Scottie not winning DPOY was tough, but Ewing never winng is absurd. He is the best defensive center in college history and one of the best of his era on defense.
Just by making this historical footage along can win u the DPOY in today's league. Greatjob Andy, that was tons of impressive defenders in your list !
Ewing was an underrated defender cause he always got dunked on. But that shows that he was always gonna try to contest or block a shot no matter what
Agreed, people laugh at Ewing being dunked on so much, and for it IS quite entertaining as I'm a life long Bulls fan, but one of the reasons he was dunked on so much is because he was courageous enough to try and block the shot rather than worry about if he was going to be on a poster. That type of effort is commendable.
Stockton, Dumars/Kobe, Pippen, Duncan, Ewing. Hell of a starting 5 both offenseively and defensively
Bowen 6th man! Would shut down the bench singlehandedly.
The Utah Jazz team with williams and AK47 is so underrated...
And Carlos Boozer
Glad my boy AK47 got mentioned! Beast!
10 years from now Marcus Smart will be on this list.
F that nigga
Best flopper ever lol
Nah.
Avery Bradley too
@@Joe_Parmesan yeah so underrated
I love the menacing jazz music that plays at the beginning of a lot of your videos lmao... random, but yeah.
In a lot of these situations, it's the case of just playing in an era alongside greater players. The fact though that Tony Allen never won the award is criminal.
I think in most cases it's that centers with impressive block totals win too often compared to everyone else.
@@Statalyzer Indeed, especially in the 90s and 00s, that case was bs.
The caliber of players that got robbed for that exact method is criminal, and especially over the decades.
@@dusk6159 Pippen with 0 DPOY and Gary Payton with only 1.....
@@Statalyzer Yeah that's just crazy to recall, sheesh.
Without mentioning all the others on top, too
@@dusk6159 And now in this era, no defence is played.
In like 5 years when people bring up Tim Duncan kids are gonna call him a boring offensive player who was a bad defender because he never won a DPOY.
I think Scottie should've won in 1995, when he led the bulls in both steals and blocks. He led the league in steals and steals per game.
That's crazy, like the AK47 after him
*steals and steals?*
@@Etgan76 total steals at 232 and steals per game at over 2 per game
Steals and blocks are so overrated....
Great video TD21 has one of the highest defensive win shares in history crazy!!!!
Dwyane Wade? He regularly averaged at least 1.5spg and 1 block a game. He’s been snubbed from a lot of All-Defensive Teams.
Exactly what I said. Especially that 09 year where he had over 200 steals and 100 blocks. That was similar to the year Jordan won the award.
Mainly cause of Kobe. Kobe has 12 all defensive teams. It's hard to win it over Kobe.
@@hennylo68 to be honest wade got snubbed by kobe
@@jasonfutrell3155 yep it's tough to win it with Kobe there every year. You're just gonna have to accept 2nd team.
@@hennylo68 really goes to show you how these awards are popularity contest sometimes
These 12 guys would probably dominate the league in any point of NBA history
PG: Stockton/Kidd/CP3
SG: Kobe/Dumars/Allen/Bowen
SF: LeBron/Pippen
PF: Duncan/AK47
C: Ewing
You should probably do the 12 best scorers who never won a scoring title so we could pit these guys head to head (I'd wager the above team would crush that team though)
And then you remember Bruce Bowen kicked a man in the face during nationally televised basketball game.
Great video. I also would have mentioned Shawn Marion, Karl Malone and one between Mookie Blaylock and Terrell Brandon.
Andy Hoops: "Nobody talks about Kirilenko anymore."
NBA 2k19 My Team Developers: "Hold my beer"
What happened with NBA 2K19 My Team?
@@CrysisOwnsHalo ak is one of the most dangerous players in 2k my team
Wow so close to 250k!!! Congratulations
Kobe and Tim Duncan definitely should've won atleast 1 dpoy they was the best defensive players on the perimeter and in the paint
maybe Tim not kobe really tho. there was never a year he shoulda been the dpoy over the ppl who did win it.
Really well can you name me a great 2 guard that tourched him in any playoff series like any bro alot of ppl say Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest was the best perimeter defender but that's not true real students of the game know that great defense don't always add up to stats sometimes it's as simple as did they score cause if they didn't score then the answers yes great defense is more than stats just ask kyrie Erving who he'd rather score against lebron James or Kobe Bryant he'll tell you and you sure as hell don't add 14 all 1st team defense awards to your resume without being able to play great defense that and if he couldn't stop you he'd out score you but it was rare that he couldn't stop you like as in I never! just ask lebron kd Harden Westbrook ray Allen Reggie Miller jalen rose Scottie pippen mj tmac deron Williams Carmelo Anthony jr Smith spreewell rip Hamilton manu ginoble and even iverson if he was guarding you it was going to be a long night the only one that could stop that was Phil Jackson game planning look I'm just saying you never seen anybody he was guarding out score him or come close to there normal offensive numbers they acostum to putting up when he's guarding them
Kobe never
Kobe is a no, student of the game.
Avery Bradley. An awesome defender that never got recognition until Boston was competitive after Pierce, Garnett, and Allen left.
one of the best on ball defenders ever, I feel he should be on this list
Whoh, Tim Duncan never won dpoy wow, holy Toledoes Batman
Could’ve sworn Duncan won one. Great video!!
Lebron?! The guy who needs his teammate to shove him to go play defense? There is much more to defense than chase down blocks. 😉
All these guards are legit the reason they awarded Smart this season. They have overlooked guards on defense since Jordan, Dumars & Payton. They prefer versatile Wings & Big Men who can guard inside and out, interrupt passes & contest shots. Which is understandable
Dwayne Wade where do you leave him ??
Sergio Charris *dwyane
His defense wasn't that amazing compare to other players in his era
@@disco4255 u buggin. Wade was lockdown. Great on ball, great help defender, a pesky ball stripper, incredible player in the passing lanes, and a fantastic weak side, chase down, and head up shot blocker as a 6 ft 4 sg. He was def a top notch defender on par with kobe.
@@TheIcemanthomas but not dop worthy. Same as Kobe
@@disco4255 u high
Kareem also never won Dpoy and is on the top 10 list of the greatests shot blockers of all time.
@Mourning Star They should of give him an award...at least.
@Mourning Star but it did fool
@Mourning Star lmfaoooo you're mad as fuck nigga
@Mourning Star Yeah and he was only an average defender by that point in his career even though he was devastating on D when he was younger.
@Mourning Star Oh yeah, gotcha.
You should probably show more defense highlights rather than offense
Why is there always an excuse for LeBron slacking on defense?? Coz he's older and you can't play both offense and defense blah blah blah.... Jordan came back in Washington wizards and still played both offense and defense at 40 years old and he even elevated the wizards in defense!! WTF
Jerome Yudiet he even tried to lie on Kobe saying even he didn’t give Effort in later years which is complete bs
@@Caraxes_RoguePrince he makes stupid comments just to save LeBron's lousy "Legacy".. the man is so overrated anyway..yeah LeBron is great.,but who wouldn't be with a pass from the NBA using steroids?? And he controls who he wants to play with on his team.,he's got the ball most of the time of course he's gonna average crazy numbers yet he still suck at the finals! 3 and 6 fucking losses!! With 2 of those losses were CHOKES and another 2 were certified SWEEPstakes😂😂😂😂
Can you do how good was Dell Curry and Michael Thompson
Tony Allen was sum mean. Super underrated
Lindsay Hunter was the best wing defender I’ve ever seen
Tim Duncan's 2007 playoff run really stood out to me how great a defender he was. Go back and watch
Timothy should've won at least one. F' Marcus Camby.
Fabrizio Mariotti I’ll get you banned from RUclips
When Sean Elliott was out Will Perdue started at center, David Robinson played power forward, and Duncan started at small forward.
Pippen and Olajuwon were robbed in the late 80s. Only three players have even had 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. Pippen, Olajuwon, and Jordan (did it twice). All of that occurred from 1986-1990.
Wade did it also.
Henny Lopez uh negative
@@sargentordb507 yes he did. Twice. Look it up.
Henny Lopez I did and you’re wrong
Henny Lopez Wade needed to have at least 2.43 steals per game to reach 200. The most he’s had his whole career was 2.2 in 2008. Every other season he had less than 2 per game.
1. Theo Ratliff
2. Shane Battier
3. Tayshaun Prince
4. Eric Snow
Eric who?
If Patrick Ewing played in todays game he would’ve been DPOY no doubt about it
Ya like 5 times most underrated player of the 90s
Scottie Pippen will always be known 2nd to Jordan, which is sad, he probably would've been the captain on almost any other team in the league.
I love Marc Gasol, and I love the Grizzlies, but the 2013 DPOY win was always kinda weird to me considering he wasn't even voted to the 1st team all-defense that year. It's definitely a testament to the team's elite defense during that time and the tendency to prefer big men for the award, but it kinda sucks since I'm also a fan of lebron and it was his best chance of winning DPOY
Players actually played defense back in the day so the competition was tougher
Well nba right now is all about 3. You cannot defend that
You should do a "how good was AK47" video
I would put marcus smart on the list, Tayshaun Prince, Lindsey Hunter in his prime, Ron Harper who guarded the best guard on the opposite team during the bulls second 3peat, John starks, Charles Oakley, Doc Rivers, Reggie Theus, Dan Majrle, Horace Grant (Orlando year's) epic block on KJ to win the Finals against Phoenix, Dwayne Wade, Andre Iguodala, Healthy Grant Hill was also a lock down defender in his Piston days, just to name a few.
Tim Duncan was not as big of a surprise as scottie
Duncan should had definitely won that one instead of Camby...
@Chris Paul lol you failed to mention bill smh 😑
Although he played, only five season when the award was first given, the greatest defensive small forward in my opinion is Doctor J, the most overlooked regarding his defensive prowess, guarded all five positions, number one in blocks and steals for small forwards, true small forwards, not power forwards and centers playing small forwards. Also a guy, who's underrated by the name of Terry Tyler.
love this list!! even if we consider Bruce to be dirty, he’d still start in my defensive starting line up......WE NEED AN ALL DEFENSIVE THIRD TEAM
EVERY GOD DAMN TIME I SEE THE BRUCE BOWEN FLY KICK, I LOL!…
I LOVE IT! ❤ 😂 He belonged on the 80s Pistons team. 🤣