I had similar cut outs on my XLX2. Replaced it with a new one, same gearing, and hit a PB of 145mph on the next 8S pass. Sent the bad one back for warranty.
It is not an actual issue with the esc, it is the motor pulling too many amps from the esc, if your car was doing that before it was way overgeared unless you are running over the high 150's.
@@masonkaye5 all I swapped was the XLX2 for a brand new one, same gearing, and picked up 10mph and no cut off. The old one was also showing very strange high RPMs. New one is spot on for a speed calc.
@@jondilly1974 strange, the usual sign of an xlx2 going out is cogging, I have had the best luck with the older xlx 2's not going out, I have only had an xlx fire and an xlx2 that caught fire in the last month that was produced two months ago.
@@masonkaye5 my defective XLX2 is a day 1 unit and has worked well since. New one just came off the assembly line in Sept 2021. No fires yet. But I have cooked a few MMX8S and quite a few motors. 🤣🤘🏻
@@jondilly1974 Whats funny to me is that the only xlx 2 fire I have had was on a drag setup that was only pushing 300 amps when it caught fire and I routinely am running my old xlx2s over 600 amps.
Yea lol… it always happens like That lol… got my XLX2 1100 in for my 8s EXB while worrying once I have it, something better will come out but this is for the 30 lbs truck so it’ll be hard to top the 1100 combo. Speed runs is another breed where your constantly replacing parts and testing what’s better. Some setups are written in stone while others will NEVER be perfected bcs technology is ALWAYS on the rise.
Ooooo…. The top two RUclips speed runners... What ever happen to Kevin talbot lol? He loves spending money on expensive gear and calls it dirt cheap to piss ppl off lol but his 30hp dual TP motor build kept flying airborne at just 130 mph with all that weight 🤷♂️ same body & wing as the majority use on speed runs… I know a couple wicked channels doing sick builds but… Innovation💪,.. Raz 🏎,.. & Talbot🤪💰 Are the only 3 I know that are trying hard.
I came upon your video while looking into the CASTLE 1721-2400Kv motor. I am hardly an expert at RC builds to say the least, but I love doing it. Certainly not a very good RC driver either. I’ve got a few nice builds behind me, a very nice XO1, a fun TALION & my favorite, a LIMITLESS GT using the BITTYDESIGN SEVEN65 body. The LIMITLESS is barely behind me and the new CASTLE 1721 has captured my interest. I’ve only gotten as far as seeing the 101.2 mm motor will not fit in the factory motor position of a LIMITLESS roller. Even if I wanted to rework my XO1, it wouldn’t fit in there either. I realize you guys deal with this issue in most if not all you speed builds. As many videos I’ve watched where the chassis of the RC obviously had to be modified to fit the motor, none of them promoted any understanding to me of how it is accomplished. Are there any videos you could suggest to me that will get me going? Thanks!
@@InnovationRC yeah I’m assuming this can will have a more conservative gear ratio. I would even bet that this beast will be setting Phil’s 4s challenge records very soon as well
Goals bro! Goals!. I just got an infraction with a 8s setup in it. All spectrum, it's my dream rc and I recently just got it! My buddy has the limitless. I cant wait till we race. These rcs are badass! I want to get the xlx2 and a castle motor!
Check the lot number and month made on the auxiliary wire!! The 3 faulty lot batch numbers are easily found online! If it matches any of the 3 numbers, just send it to Castle and they’ll check the busbars.
@@InnovationRC I want to build a 8s kraton like yours. What do you think about MGM controllers drop in for ARRMA cars?? Any insight?? Thx a bunch for the reply I really appreciate it
Very Interesting? Nice passes as well🏎💨Gonna wait to see where this motor goes? Maybe it's gonna be a "1 and we're done" type motor? As where i can pull 5-6 passes of 130 or better with the 1717 1650kv and pull her in around 160°
The temps on any motor don't really get too bad until you are at the limit of the motor, if you were doing 130's with the 1721 it would be fine for at least a few passes, but like the 162 I did (on a different motor) was over 170 degrees on the outside of the can.
@@masonkaye5 Not necessarily at the motors' limit, there's so many factors in this equation that can cause excessive heat. But the most common is gearing and timing in my experience. High kv, smaller can will pretty much always cause more heat. 1 and done!
@@bigboytoyzrc9258 Gearing determines temperature and a bigger can would reduce heat, but at say 162 mph my very large can motor is at 170 external temperature and I know that the 1721 would be cooler, but that would be mainly due to it being sensored, with it being sensored it is going to run much cooler.
QUESTION: motors like.. CC 1728/2400kv TP 4070cm 2200kv Either motor you SHOULD be able to punch it full throttle from a dead stop with the “correct” low gearing, right?.. If the amp rating on a motor is 4000 constant and 8000 max, and it’s geared to do 100mph on the ground (145 on calculator) then what kind of amps might you see if you PUNCH it from a dead stop? With tire prep or not,.. Theoretical set up, Xlx2-CC 1728/2400kv 8s cnhl gear ratio 46s 26p.. Or can you give a scenario of your own just for a general idea? Apart from gearing which has many variables… How do people know what is the highest and or largest KV motor you can buy and be able to blast it from a dead stop?
Very good runs. Just shows how linear your throttle has to be and due mainly to road distance. What if they were to us a 1860kv motor would it work then?
Innovation!!…. How many ppl have asked you about how you tune your calibrations on castle link? Where’s your start percentage? Do you use drag brake? Are you using a custom throttle curve? Do you also use your transmitter calibrations to dial the cars performance in? I’m currently building a second car but with my first XLX2 combo and I haven’t had any hands on yet bcs it’s a lot of work and research.
@@InnovationRC castle 1415 2400kv motor was one the best motors i ever seen them make but the only problem it came with a 3mm shaft that would brake easily the same said motor was used in the traxxas funny car i would like to see them make the new 3200kv motor in the 1415 can
What brand of pinion gear are you using? With the stock motor mount I have to flip the pinion around the other way and that doesn't excite me with how close the grub screws are to the end of the motor shaft. I'm using a Saga customs pinion. Thanks
@@InnovationRC I ended up milling out the inside of the motor mount so the pinion can be flipped back around how a 5mm mod 1 gear would be. Works perfect now
That is a great motor dude ....can you please tell me which pinion gear were you using when you passed it with the 6S batery ? Also were can i buy some good fans for this monster ? Not all of them will fit ...which ones would you recomend ? Thanks !
Hopefully ppl listen and don't over gear that motor trying to do insane stuff like run 1:1 gear ratios. Especially with the xlx2 that's a recipe for a fire lipos and all 🔥
Hi I'm new to the rc car hobby just 2 months in I have the talion 6s exb I got 74mph with stock electronics I wanna get in the mid 80s to 90s which castel combo would u recommend I'm gonna do speed runs and normally driving barley any bashing thanks for the help
Did anybody else notice that castle offers no warranty with this motor AND, using it with any of their esc's voids that/those warranties as well? Sick motor nonetheless
What is the kv limit of a castle creations mamba xlx 2 esc. Because I try to find a combo with the 1721 2400kv motor but all I can find is the 800kv and the 1100kv and with the monster mamba the highest I can find is 1650kv
@@Willrccars I actually believe they were trying to complete warranty transactions and clean up their end b4 another product enters the lot... A scary power product that is. I have to follow NDA protocol as a product tester. However long it takes I must hold off until the company is ready on their end to proceed with launch, or kill a project.
I swear in the beginning you sounded and acted caffeinated. Also if castle is going to have a motor like that they should release a speed controller that can handle the increased current flow or something.
You need to gear the motor accordingly to what voltage and what length of road you run on. If you pull the trigger too quick, or, overgear, esc will cutoff. Lowered the gearing and no cutoff afterwords
I love a good set of big cans
Tooshay!
Those are some crazy speeds dude. Castle always seems to come up with some ballistic motors.
Bring electric leaf blower with you it's cools those motors fast
u should have a fan on that motor1
This why 95% of my fleet will always have soda can Castle's.....well done...
Truely the number 1 rc vids on RUclips
Aw man I really appreciate that! There's many others who are awesome at this too! Thanks for saying that about me tho!
Very big and powerful motor
I run dual 2200 1515 now. This is exactly what I need!
That'll be Nuts to see a twin 2400kv setup!
Great video innovation 💪💪
Thanks Antonio!
Great run on 6s , good to see you out there again 👍👌👍
Thank you Claire!
Great 6s run!!!
Thank you!
The sound it produces is amazing 🤗 !!!
🤘
I like seeing somebody else test just as passionate
She sounded sweet going past you 😎it'll be interesting to see how far this new motor can be pushed to 👍
on 6s that beast was moving 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💯
I had similar cut outs on my XLX2. Replaced it with a new one, same gearing, and hit a PB of 145mph on the next 8S pass. Sent the bad one back for warranty.
It is not an actual issue with the esc, it is the motor pulling too many amps from the esc, if your car was doing that before it was way overgeared unless you are running over the high 150's.
@@masonkaye5 all I swapped was the XLX2 for a brand new one, same gearing, and picked up 10mph and no cut off. The old one was also showing very strange high RPMs. New one is spot on for a speed calc.
@@jondilly1974 strange, the usual sign of an xlx2 going out is cogging, I have had the best luck with the older xlx 2's not going out, I have only had an xlx fire and an xlx2 that caught fire in the last month that was produced two months ago.
@@masonkaye5 my defective XLX2 is a day 1 unit and has worked well since. New one just came off the assembly line in Sept 2021. No fires yet. But I have cooked a few MMX8S and quite a few motors. 🤣🤘🏻
@@jondilly1974 Whats funny to me is that the only xlx 2 fire I have had was on a drag setup that was only pushing 300 amps when it caught fire and I routinely am running my old xlx2s over 600 amps.
That sound has me hooked.
Great video!!!
Thanks man! I'll call u after work!
@@InnovationRC Sounds good brother don't forget I'm in Israel time!! Lol
Nice runs, bro!
Thank you sir!
Wonder if they have a better ESC planned that can do 600 amps or more. If the motor was barely warm, there is quite a bit left in it obviously.
Thank you for another great video
Damn glad to see you back!! You make these speed runs look easy. Very consistent runs nice and smooth. Thnx loved the video😊😊
Thanks Mike! Really appreciate that for sure man 💪
This is awesome bro
Yes it is!
So happy I just bought my setup last week…gonna go cry now.
Quick sell it on Let Go!
Yea lol… it always happens like That lol… got my XLX2 1100 in for my 8s EXB while worrying once I have it, something better will come out but this is for the 30 lbs truck so it’ll be hard to top the 1100 combo. Speed runs is another breed where your constantly replacing parts and testing what’s better. Some setups are written in stone while others will NEVER be perfected bcs technology is ALWAYS on the rise.
Whoa didn't see that coming. Nice video as always.
Yep gotta have one soon! Razz hit 180 with it , impressive and Spartan will too I’m sure!
That's awesome!
Ooooo…. The top two RUclips speed runners... What ever happen to Kevin talbot lol? He loves spending money on expensive gear and calls it dirt cheap to piss ppl off lol but his 30hp dual TP motor build kept flying airborne at just 130 mph with all that weight 🤷♂️ same body & wing as the majority use on speed runs… I know a couple wicked channels doing sick builds but…
Innovation💪,.. Raz 🏎,.. & Talbot🤪💰
Are the only 3 I know that are trying hard.
Nice runs good too see you back at it
Thanks Chicago Town!
🔥🔥🔥💯
Thanks bro 💪
I came upon your video while looking into the CASTLE 1721-2400Kv motor. I am hardly an expert at RC builds to say the least, but I love doing it. Certainly not a very good RC driver either. I’ve got a few nice builds behind me, a very nice XO1, a fun TALION & my favorite, a LIMITLESS GT using the BITTYDESIGN SEVEN65 body. The LIMITLESS is barely behind me and the new CASTLE 1721 has captured my interest. I’ve only gotten as far as seeing the 101.2 mm motor will not fit in the factory motor position of a LIMITLESS roller. Even if I wanted to rework my XO1, it wouldn’t fit in there either. I realize you guys deal with this issue in most if not all you speed builds. As many videos I’ve watched where the chassis of the RC obviously had to be modified to fit the motor, none of them promoted any understanding to me of how it is accomplished. Are there any videos you could suggest to me that will get me going? Thanks!
* builds a crazy speedrun machine *
* uses the stock Arrma servo *
Brave.
I’m so happy I’ve held off picking up a 2028. I’ll be getting this for my typhon off-road speed build
Will be great for that. Gear it way low for lower speeds
@@InnovationRC yeah I’m assuming this can will have a more conservative gear ratio. I would even bet that this beast will be setting Phil’s 4s challenge records very soon as well
Yes the TYPHON platform isn’t one that will flip air born like a deck on the infraction platform. What’s the word record? 212mph?
Goals bro! Goals!. I just got an infraction with a 8s setup in it. All spectrum, it's my dream rc and I recently just got it! My buddy has the limitless. I cant wait till we race. These rcs are badass! I want to get the xlx2 and a castle motor!
That's awesome bro Congrats ✌️
What?????? I must have!!!!!👍💯
Thank u for the video
Anytime
WICKED FAST 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
Hell yeah bro! Thanks for the video. Great luck on all future passes
congrats on the new 6s PB.
Thanks brother I appreciate that
Nice speed. Can you please recommend a Castle motor/ESC for Limitless v2 for track use (not straight line runs)?
Good stuff buddy
Good stuff bro, thanks for sharing
Anytime! Glad you enjoyed!
The fact he only goes for speed is mainly one of the reasons why I subscribed in the first place lul
Thanks for that!
@@InnovationRC OMG HE REPLIED!,!
Tha goat is back!😆🤧🤙
Ahh I appreciate that lol
Like #200 congrats bro 147 on 6s 👍🏽
Just ordered a xlx2 and 1717 about 2 hours ago 😅
Check the lot number and month made on the auxiliary wire!! The 3 faulty lot batch numbers are easily found online! If it matches any of the 3 numbers, just send it to Castle and they’ll check the busbars.
147 on 6s geezzuzz 💀🥵
I love rcs too bro, since I was 8. I am 27 now
What speed run. what remote are you using it actually has quite a good distance.
Congrats brother on your rides being on castles website! Way sick!! So would this not work in a kraton exb? Like Goliath?
Way too high of a kv to be used in a basher car. Great for onroad stuff!
@@InnovationRC I want to build a 8s kraton like yours. What do you think about MGM controllers drop in for ARRMA cars?? Any insight?? Thx a bunch for the reply I really appreciate it
JESUS!!!!
Bro op 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Castle is selling this motor with no warranty. As much as I’d like to try 1 I’ll just stick with my 1717
realy nice doen vdo !! awsome job thanks !
So what you're saying is I need to stick one in my xmaxx? 😂
No...
Ok maybe 😂
Very Interesting? Nice passes as well🏎💨Gonna wait to see where this motor goes? Maybe it's gonna be a "1 and we're done" type motor? As where i can pull 5-6 passes of 130 or better with the 1717 1650kv and pull her in around 160°
This is definitely a one and done motor. Unless geared for less speed and temps are ok
The temps on any motor don't really get too bad until you are at the limit of the motor, if you were doing 130's with the 1721 it would be fine for at least a few passes, but like the 162 I did (on a different motor) was over 170 degrees on the outside of the can.
@@InnovationRC Thanks man! I'm subbed so I will be following your future runs🏎💨
@@masonkaye5 Not necessarily at the motors' limit, there's so many factors in this equation that can cause excessive heat. But the most common is gearing and timing in my experience. High kv, smaller can will pretty much always cause more heat. 1 and done!
@@bigboytoyzrc9258 Gearing determines temperature and a bigger can would reduce heat, but at say 162 mph my very large can motor is at 170 external temperature and I know that the 1721 would be cooler, but that would be mainly due to it being sensored, with it being sensored it is going to run much cooler.
Niiiice, good runs fam! Interesting of Castle 💪🏾💯
Yessir! Thanks for watching!
@@InnovationRC pulled out the og Chrysler i see…
Good review bro
Thank you!
QUESTION: motors like..
CC 1728/2400kv
TP 4070cm 2200kv
Either motor you SHOULD be able to punch it full throttle from a dead stop with the “correct” low gearing, right?..
If the amp rating on a motor is 4000 constant and 8000 max, and it’s geared to do 100mph on the ground (145 on calculator) then what kind of amps might you see if you PUNCH it from a dead stop? With tire prep or not,..
Theoretical set up,
Xlx2-CC 1728/2400kv
8s cnhl gear ratio 46s 26p..
Or can you give a scenario of your own just for a general idea? Apart from gearing which has many variables… How do people know what is the highest and or largest KV motor you can buy and be able to blast it from a dead stop?
What gearing was that 6s pass?
Keep doing what you doing bro
Awesome 👍 runs, great video.. where are you? What a place to run.
He's in Florida
@@never-stock-rc2968 me too
Great video. So was that the XLX2 or MMX8s? I find this 1721 really interesting. Good to see you.
Thank you Scott. This is the xlx2. I honestly wouldn't recommend even the mmx8s for this motor...
MGM?
@@InnovationRC XLX2 is the best out there I think! Can handle any motor you throw at it
Hey IRC, do you remember what gearing you ran here? I know watching again.
Very good runs. Just shows how linear your throttle has to be and due mainly to road distance. What if they were to us a 1860kv motor would it work then?
Thank you you! I've been practicing my trigger pull for awhile now lol 1800* kv is still an ok kv for speed
Innovation!!…. How many ppl have asked you about how you tune your calibrations on castle link? Where’s your start percentage? Do you use drag brake? Are you using a custom throttle curve? Do you also use your transmitter calibrations to dial the cars performance in? I’m currently building a second car but with my first XLX2 combo and I haven’t had any hands on yet bcs it’s a lot of work and research.
1415 decided to call its big brother
Exactly
@@InnovationRC castle 1415 2400kv motor was one the best motors i ever seen them make but the only problem it came with a 3mm shaft that would brake easily the same said motor was used in the traxxas funny car i would like to see them make the new 3200kv motor in the 1415 can
lets see the castle log. really want to see what kind of current draw makes an xlx2 shut down.
Obviously you're very smart
What brand of pinion gear are you using? With the stock motor mount I have to flip the pinion around the other way and that doesn't excite me with how close the grub screws are to the end of the motor shaft. I'm using a Saga customs pinion. Thanks
Saga customs gears
@@InnovationRC I ended up milling out the inside of the motor mount so the pinion can be flipped back around how a 5mm mod 1 gear would be. Works perfect now
is it pulling more than 500 amps? 😳😳
That is a great motor dude ....can you please tell me which pinion gear were you using when you passed it with the 6S batery ? Also were can i buy some good fans for this monster ? Not all of them will fit ...which ones would
you recomend ? Thanks !
Hopefully ppl listen and don't over gear that motor trying to do insane stuff like run 1:1 gear ratios. Especially with the xlx2 that's a recipe for a fire lipos and all 🔥
You think this set up will be good with a senton ??
Definitely no! Way too big for a senton. I'd go with the 1415 2400kv, much lighter for a senton and can run it up to 4s
If it still has castles typical torque with that many kW be insane.
My limitless is getting two!
Hell yeah!
What combo would you recommend for 125 mph + and bashing? XLX2 + 1717?
An even more powerful esc would be able to push the motor to its limit without cutting out.
Did castle just release this 1721? Can’t see to find it anywhere.
Just launched 3hrs ago. Check their website
what gears you running
Hi I'm new to the rc car hobby just 2 months in I have the talion 6s exb I got 74mph with stock electronics I wanna get in the mid 80s to 90s which castel combo would u recommend I'm gonna do speed runs and normally driving barley any bashing thanks for the help
I'm curious why not just use a big 18v Hitachi motor and low as gearing
16s
Are you still running the MMX8S
Not in this vehicle but yes!
awesome where is this road ??
Did anybody else notice that castle offers no warranty with this motor AND, using it with any of their esc's voids that/those warranties as well? Sick motor nonetheless
Great power comes with great responsibility... I see why they did though
Yooooo what the funk show brotha check it out WHAT you say???
That’s like saying… yo, my man! Come try this motor right here! Btw you ain’t get this motor from me! I wasn’t here..
65c. Isn't that weK
What is the kv limit of a castle creations mamba xlx 2 esc. Because I try to find a combo with the 1721 2400kv motor but all I can find is the 800kv and the 1100kv and with the monster mamba the highest I can find is 1650kv
Where is that strip at? Im local and cant find anywhere to run my cars open like that.
On 8S you have A LOT of weight on one side...
still cant control my 1717s on 8s lol
What gears are you running?
What gearing were you running?
You're about to see what 16 S8 s perseid
Wait what happened to the stinger?
This video was made almost 10 months ago! Your the first to catch it!
@@InnovationRC damn you were r&d for the motor that whats up big secret to hold.
@@Willrccars I actually believe they were trying to complete warranty transactions and clean up their end b4 another product enters the lot... A scary power product that is.
I have to follow NDA protocol as a product tester. However long it takes I must hold off until the company is ready on their end to proceed with launch, or kill a project.
I swear in the beginning you sounded and acted caffeinated. Also if castle is going to have a motor like that they should release a speed controller that can handle the increased current flow or something.
The esc can handle it, they just need a more linear throttle pull.
@@masonkaye5 so if you want to run this motor on 8s with a high gearing, perfect pass is a must?
@@nathanroth6240 No, you would need a futaba radio, the perfect pass, or just to have a better trigger pull.
You need to gear the motor accordingly to what voltage and what length of road you run on. If you pull the trigger too quick, or, overgear, esc will cutoff. Lowered the gearing and no cutoff afterwords
You keep talking about having the right gearing but you talk about what spur and pinion gear setup your using?
Hello you can send a motor to me in Sweden a Big one haha.
8's perseid
What gearing was u using
What is the gearing